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Title: Multi accounts (cheater)
Post by: The Hunter on February 20, 2024, 11:55:37 AM
You can Investigate all transactions here https://etherscan.io/address/0x02b3e8e9e29e61b4328a63c615f4cc3dc8b60998
Main Account : 0x02b3E8E9e29E61B4328A63C615F4Cc3DC8b60998

Linked Evidence Wallet

Transaction Hash https://etherscan.io/tx/0xfdb34ca7f8dd74c3645bc12315816a20f82986b588cc6f07741ac9270e79f509
0x710f260684Cf9E3f2aa1D5EAdE8BD3Dd5299249C sent 0.515 ETH to 0x02b3E8E9e29E61B4328A63C615F4Cc3DC8b60998

who is 0x710f260684Cf9E3f2aa1D5EAdE8BD3Dd5299249C?
1.damsix https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=profile;u=35709
POA : https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=148952.msg840829#msg840829
Joined ARCS Signature


Transaction Hash https://etherscan.io/tx/0x149a81a146ee5a5187d4cdc5d9f1b1e6266e59c64883a43625c5dc8c22d9fc74
0xFb239673ADC8bE042aD32B58488026bd4aa82a65 Sent 0.0123499916 ETH to 0x02b3E8E9e29E61B4328A63C615F4Cc3DC8b60998

who is 0xFb239673ADC8bE042aD32B58488026bd4aa82a65?

2. aiviaa485
Profile link : https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=profile;u=35710
POA : https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=148952.msg841260#msg841260
Joined ARCS Signature


Transaction Hash https://etherscan.io/tx/0xa8e72ff235ea054beac2395ea837b5830d6e81dbbedc25f45c929659d8f6a2bc
0x1450327cD31117DaB5908552A1379F280cFAc7ba Sent 0.007412745 ETH to 0x02b3E8E9e29E61B4328A63C615F4Cc3DC8b60998

who is 0x1450327cD31117DaB5908552A1379F280cFAc7ba?
3. jonathancool220
Profile link : https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=profile;u=35733
POA : https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=177448.msg983015#msg983015
Joined HEX Signature


Transaction Hash https://etherscan.io/tx/0x172f54c26d5bf47d1b74dbc0b5846501867d6534caba7a938756ad398ae34749

0xE98eF0a4E310b1902ab1852C4b30d50db8245B64 Sent 0.014979197 ETH to 0x02b3E8E9e29E61B4328A63C615F4Cc3DC8b60998
who is 0xE98eF0a4E310b1902ab1852C4b30d50db8245B64?

4. kent47400
Profile link : https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=profile;u=35735
POA : https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=177448.msg983455#msg983455
Joined HEX Signature


Transaction Hash https://etherscan.io/tx/0xf0a5f220e5f825fd1b7858cc64780698a8df9d7c2716feb84eda595deef9f732

0x4C19446C90Ed06946142d4Ac8989b5Ec552e46f8 Sent 0.0104240355 ETH to 0x02b3E8E9e29E61B4328A63C615F4Cc3DC8b60998
who is 0x4C19446C90Ed06946142d4Ac8989b5Ec552e46f8?

5. masudginanjar
Profile link : https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=profile;u=35731
POA : https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=177448.msg983006#msg983006
Joined HEX Signature


Transaction Hash https://etherscan.io/tx/0xa55d260aa1ac33661800353110755d419f0895a40c04fbc50808c52566ce14d5
0xde5dcE17AC6135E91BA473cF3E238C94bC29456F Sent 0.029229336 ETH to 0x02b3E8E9e29E61B4328A63C615F4Cc3DC8b60998

who is 0xde5dcE17AC6135E91BA473cF3E238C94bC29456F?

6. IyemRoker
Profile link : https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=profile;u=35711
POA : https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=177448.msg983004#msg983004
Joined HEX Signature


He sent all the transaction in this wallet 0x02b3e8e9e29e61b4328a63c615f4cc3dc8b60998 (main account)
After I checked on BSC wallet https://bscscan.com/address/0x02b3e8e9e29e61b4328a63c615f4cc3dc8b60998
I found that the owner all these accounts is?
 
POA : https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=256101.msg1315881;topicseen#msg1315881
1.damsix https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=profile;u=35709

The evidence is compelling, and I believe judges remain impartial. Please deliver a fair and unbiased judgment.

Title: Re: Multi accounts (cheater)
Post by: The Hunter on February 20, 2024, 12:53:17 PM
With a connection to one of the judges from Indonesia, I aim for fairness in this case, refraining from concealing or overlooking the available evidence

Thank you
Title: Re: Multi accounts (cheater)
Post by: admin on February 20, 2024, 03:04:09 PM
editing posts revoked, to allow investigation
Title: Re: Multi accounts (cheater)
Post by: PX-Z on February 20, 2024, 03:31:31 PM
Nice catch bud +1.

Damn, so this is the investigation behind the thread earlier (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=317946.0).

I'm currently checking the karma logs it looks like there are some several users who were punished by getting nuked their karma.
Title: Re: Multi accounts (cheater)
Post by: admin on February 20, 2024, 03:38:46 PM
Nice catch bud +1.

Damn, so this is the investigation behind the thread earlier (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=317946.0).

I'm currently checking the karma logs it looks like there are some several users who were punished by getting nuked their karma.
8 more today
Title: Re: Multi accounts (cheater)
Post by: Cantsay on February 20, 2024, 10:37:33 PM
+1 karma

This discussion brings back memories of bitcointalk, when I was still active with cheaters, but I had to stop because all of the accounts I caught were newbies, which meant they could easily make new ones to continue their activity.

One thing I enjoy about this site is that the admin has personally involved himself in the reputation thread, making it simpler to investigate further data if somebody claims innocence.
Title: Re: Multi accounts (cheater)
Post by: hair on February 21, 2024, 04:34:15 PM
++ Good job

We will wait for the judges to make a decision
Title: Re: Multi accounts (cheater)
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on February 21, 2024, 06:39:32 PM
Good one bud, plus plus on you for this..

For this is indeed a very good catch, abusers are not far from being thieves, and as such, they don't deserve a place among chiefs, I am also joining others to hope that the judges will take their time and do a well and thorough job, as the outcome of this case will determine whether others with such intensions will go ahead with it, or draw themselves back.
Title: Re: Multi accounts (cheater)
Post by: Freemind on February 21, 2024, 07:40:21 PM
@The Hunter, thank you very much for the research work you have done and for your time. If the facts are proven, I hope that the judges will impose on those responsible the full weight of the penalties available to the forum. I can only give you +1 every 10 hours, but you deserve much more.
Title: Re: Multi accounts (cheater)
Post by: admin on February 22, 2024, 10:58:38 AM
@The Hunter, thank you very much for the research work you have done and for your time. If the facts are proven, I hope that the judges will impose on those responsible the full weight of the penalties available to the forum. I can only give you +1 every 10 hours, but you deserve much more.
+10 on freemind's behalf
Title: Re: Multi accounts (cheater)
Post by: notblox1 on February 23, 2024, 12:17:58 AM
+1 from me.
Thank you for doing the good work and checking all transactions.
Participating in same campaign with multiple accounts is very bad behavior in all forums I used, and I think this members should all receive cheater badges.
Title: Re: Multi accounts (cheater)
Post by: Don Pedro Dinero on February 23, 2024, 05:29:56 PM
I am very glad that The Hunter has uncovered this case. I mean, I'm not happy that there are people cheating but The Hunter despite being a Jr Member is quite active on the local forum and is seen to be eager to learn and contribute to the community. So a +1 from me too.
Title: Re: Multi accounts (cheater)
Post by: hugeblack on February 24, 2024, 08:15:10 AM
+1 @The Hunter I suggest you to create a new services to help campaign managers, as you can go to the speedsheet for any campaign, and if you find any two alt/multi accounts, you will get their earning for that week.

I also hope that @julerz12 @icopress will send these members' payments for this week to you.
Good job.

How long does it take before decisions are made in such cases? Are discussions about decision-making public, or is there a private group for discussions?
Title: Re: Multi accounts (cheater)
Post by: icopress on February 24, 2024, 08:25:01 AM
I will send some payout to this user if he posts his Bitcoin address here and mentions my name (so that I can see his post).
Title: Re: Multi accounts (cheater)
Post by: Freemind on February 24, 2024, 10:05:21 AM
+1 @The Hunter I suggest you to create a new services to help campaign managers, as you can go to the speedsheet for any campaign, and if you find any two alt/multi accounts, you will get their earning for that week.

I also hope that @julerz12 @icopress will send these members' payments for this week to you.
Good job.

How long does it take before decisions are made in such cases? Are discussions about decision-making public, or is there a private group for discussions?

It is a very good idea to create a support service for campaign managers, it would be very useful for all parties involved, and all users would have the same possibilities since there were more spaces available in the campaigns.

You can see the cases (open and closed) here (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=430.0)

+1

I will send some payout to this user if he posts his Bitcoin address here and mentions my name (so that I can see his post).

I appreciate your gesture, @The Hunter deserves it.

+1
Title: Re: Multi accounts (cheater)
Post by: admin on February 24, 2024, 11:36:01 AM
+1 @The Hunter I suggest you to create a new services to help campaign managers, as you can go to the speedsheet for any campaign, and if you find any two alt/multi accounts, you will get their earning for that week.

I also hope that @julerz12 @icopress will send these members' payments for this week to you.
Good job.

How long does it take before decisions are made in such cases? Are discussions about decision-making public, or is there a private group for discussions?

nice idea

Title: Re: Multi accounts (cheater)
Post by: The Hunter on February 24, 2024, 02:08:27 PM
Dear Honorable Judges,

I have come across new evidence pertinent to this case. There is a wealth of evidence available for consideration. I urge you to review this transaction for further insight

https://etherscan.io/address/0x4c19446c90ed06946142d4ac8989b5ec552e46f8

Transaction Hash: https://etherscan.io/tx/0x02136be8ba55eb23a52ace020ddb14ee30fd8adfd9b00db1d1e8ce20d2f208cc
0x710f260684Cf9E3f2aa1D5EAdE8BD3Dd5299249C (damsix) sent 0.027 ETH 0xde5dcE17AC6135E91BA473cF3E238C94bC29456F (IyemRoker )


Transaction Hash: https://etherscan.io/tx/0x806f7733a61b77216d0a54d5df376e9747234eac571b5d5d66d3d6ac367e2175
0xde5dcE17AC6135E91BA473cF3E238C94bC29456F (IyemRoker) sent 0.049 ETH 0x4C19446C90Ed06946142d4Ac8989b5Ec552e46f8 (masudginanjar)


Transaction Hash: https://etherscan.io/tx/0x806f7733a61b77216d0a54d5df376e9747234eac571b5d5d66d3d6ac367e2175
0x4C19446C90Ed06946142d4Ac8989b5Ec552e46f8 (masudginanjar) sent 0.036 ETH 0x1450327cD31117DaB5908552A1379F280cFAc7ba (jonathancool220)

Transaction Hash: https://etherscan.io/tx/0x806f7733a61b77216d0a54d5df376e9747234eac571b5d5d66d3d6ac367e2175
0xf82bF90b6fd58F07558BB03d6dEC21C0920E5Ced (aiviaa485) sent 0.012 ETH 0x1450327cD31117DaB5908552A1379F280cFAc7ba (jonathancool220)

For your reference
1.https://etherscan.io/address/0x1450327cd31117dab5908552a1379f280cfac7ba (jonathancool220)
2.https://etherscan.io/address/0x710f260684cf9e3f2aa1d5eade8bd3dd5299249c (damsix)
3.https://etherscan.io/address/0xf82bF90b6fd58F07558BB03d6dEC21C0920E5Ced (aiviaa485)
4.https://etherscan.io/address/0x4C19446C90Ed06946142d4Ac8989b5Ec552e46f8 (masudginanjar)
5.https://etherscan.io/address/0xde5dcE17AC6135E91BA473cF3E238C94bC29456F (IyemRoker)
6.https://etherscan.io/address/0xE98eF0a4E310b1902ab1852C4b30d50db8245B64 (kent47400)

All wallets connected. The evidence is clear, please investigate immediately.
Title: Re: Multi accounts (cheater)
Post by: dkbit98 on February 24, 2024, 10:09:00 PM
I have come across new evidence pertinent to this case. There is a wealth of evidence available for consideration. I urge you to review this transaction for further insight
Nice work, account connection is more than clear, and I think connection between this accounts can have implications even in other forums ;)

I don't know if you saw but manager icopress was kind enough to send you donation for exposing this, so post your bitcoin address or contact him.

I will send some payout to this user if he posts his Bitcoin address here and mentions my name (so that I can see his post).
Title: Re: Multi accounts (cheater)
Post by: alltalk on February 24, 2024, 11:17:47 PM
With a connection to one of the judges from Indonesia, I aim for fairness in this case, refraining from concealing or overlooking the available evidence
Thank you
You shouldn't doubt us.
As the Judges, I and Mnixxo will always try to be fair. We aren't selected to be Judges if we can't be fair to handle the cases.

We are investigating this case, it is not a simple case. So please wait for our decision. I'm not working alone, I need the agreement from Mnixxo as well.



Thanks Admin and Mr. President for your responses to this case.

Title: Re: Multi accounts (cheater)
Post by: The Hunter on February 27, 2024, 10:29:32 AM
+1 @The Hunter I suggest you to create a new services to help campaign managers, as you can go to the speedsheet for any campaign, and if you find any two alt/multi accounts, you will get their earning for that week.
I'll take it into account at a later time. Thanks

I will send some payout to this user if he posts his Bitcoin address here and mentions my name (so that I can see his post).
hello icopress

Is it alright if I send my wallet via a direct message?

Thank you
Title: Re: Multi accounts (cheater)
Post by: icopress on February 27, 2024, 10:35:29 AM
hello icopress

Is it alright if I send my wallet via a direct message?

Thank you
You can send a PM, but please note that the information will still be entered into a spreadsheet that anyone can view.
Title: Re: Multi accounts (cheater)
Post by: damsix on March 01, 2024, 05:15:24 AM
damsix - me - KYC verified
aiviaa485 - my wife - KYC verified
iyemroker - my mother - KYC verified
masudginanjar - my uncle - KYC verified
jonathancool220 - nephew - KYC verified
kent47400 - nephew - KYC verified

-I have a family that I teach every day to continue to be present in the cryptocurrency space since I first created an account in 2018.
-It took a long time and a struggle that was not easy to be able to bring my family to be present on the altcoinstalks forum which continues to discuss cryptocurrency.
-I spend a lot of time teaching my wife, mother, uncle and nephew to continue learning cryptocurrency, especially being present on the alcointalks forum.
-But after this incident (wallet connected), I have many questions and objections.

-Why wasn't this connected wallet revealed earlier by the Hunter?
- https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=148952.msg840829#msg840829 , that's a 2020 post, why haven't you reported this since 2020? Why are you only now reporting it?
-I'm not sure if you are a new member coming to altcoinstalks with a new registration date in February 2024. It's better if you also submit KYC to the admin so that it can be verified and we as a family will re-KYC it so that it can be Veirified together.

-We are one family and have a Verified KYC badge but the KYC badge immediately disappeared.
-Even though for me personally, convincing my family to learn cryptocurrency is very difficult.
-Continuing to be active from 2018 until now is not easy, there are many stories and challenges that have been faced on the altcoinstalks forum.

-Can't my family and I attend the altcoinstalks forum?
-If there is a prohibition that states 1 family cannot be on altcoinstalks, please show us.

-We have an Access Point (Wifi) that we use at the same time every day, can our family be to blame for the same IP address?
-We have a lot of transactions between wallets because we are a full family, KYC Verified is what allows us to continue to be active on altcoinstalks because it is strong proof that we are a real family.

-We don't want to forget history, back when the altcoinstalks forum was quiet, where were you guys? no one is active on the forum, maybe even leaving altcoinstalks without saying a word.
-We are a family, even though altcoinstalks is quiet but continues to be active until now, until now. Remember, we are a family that has been verified with KYC and has been active on altcoinstalks since 2018.
-I continue to teach those, including my wife, to submit a "Women In Crypto" board, that is something that perhaps some members have not thought so far as to create a "Women In Crypto" subforum.

-For KYC with my family, wife, mother, nephew (except uncle because he is working outside the city and island) I am ready to use the photos lined up together and I submitted it to the admin, that I really have a cryptocurrency family community on the altcoinstalks forum.

-Show me the rules that don't allow one family in one forum? If there really were rules, I would be willing to apply to delete my family's AltcoinStalks account. I also got this advice from my mother and uncle, because parents love their children more than being the guilty person on the forum digital.
-As far as I know, an action is considered unlawful if a rule is violated.
-If there are no rules, how can someone be considered guilty because of their ignorance?
-These rules are used in all countries, and this forum is a global forum, all countries can become members.

-And if we are deemed to have circumvented KYC, we are willing to carry out KYC again with the same data and perhaps with the latest technology that the admin has which is more detailed in verification.
-And I make sure we are ready, because the personal ID and the person are valid.
-In a trial there must be data and evidence, not just assumptions or conjectures, so we will prove my case.

-I also asked The Hunter to do KYC, because the accuser's whereabouts should be verified. Neither the wind nor the ghost can make its demands.
-How can we be accused of being unclear?
-If you are in the courtroom, the judge before starting the trial always asks for ID and legality from all parties, including lawyers, the prosecution and those being sued.

-Let's conduct the trial in a fair and valid manner.
-After all, the admin stores the KYC data, the public doesn't need to know about it.
-Me and my family's KYC, admin also keeps it, so I know its validity is clear.

-Let the Judges decide, no intervention from the president, VP or others.
-Because you should learn the differences between legislative, executive and judicial powers.
-Executive officials are not allowed to intervene in the judiciary.
-This rule applies to almost all countries, or don't worry, you are in a different world. you should learn about it.
Title: Re: Multi accounts (cheater)
Post by: Cantsay on March 01, 2024, 10:49:11 AM

-Why wasn't this connected wallet revealed earlier by the Hunter?
- https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=148952.msg840829#msg840829 , that's a 2020 post, why haven't you reported this since 2020? Why are you only now reporting it?
-I'm not sure if you are a new member coming to altcoinstalks with a new registration date in February 2024. It's better if you also submit KYC to the admin so that it can be verified and we as a family will re-KYC it so that it can be Veirified together.

-I also asked The Hunter to do KYC, because the accuser's whereabouts should be verified. Neither the wind nor the ghost can make its demands.
-How can we be accused of being unclear?

Everything I just quoted here won’t help your case.

This is a crypto forum, and while kyc is available (optionally), you cannot suggest that a user submit his/her personal information before his/her accusation against you is considered - many people still value their privacy, and even those who do not will not bother going through the verification process simply because of this type of issue.
Title: Re: Multi accounts (cheater)
Post by: hugeblack on March 01, 2024, 01:12:24 PM
-Let the Judges decide, no intervention from the president, VP or others.
-Because you should learn the differences between legislative, executive and judicial powers.
-Executive officials are not allowed to intervene in the judiciary.
-This rule applies to almost all countries, or don't worry, you are in a different world. you should learn about it.

Trying to attack @The Hunter will weaken your chances of being believed.


But did you use any of your family's accounts and post instead?

I see there is a similarity in some terminology. For example, the phrase “No problem mate” was repeated between some accounts more than once, in addition to the use of this emoji at the end of the text :P :) ;) :-\
If there is a person who speaks Indonesian, he might tell us whether there is a similarity in the writing style or not.
Title: Re: Multi accounts (cheater)
Post by: Paglamon on March 01, 2024, 05:27:15 PM
damsix - me - KYC verified
aiviaa485 - my wife - KYC verified
iyemroker - my mother - KYC verified
masudginanjar - my uncle - KYC verified
jonathancool220 - nephew - KYC verified
kent47400 - nephew - KYC verified

-I have a family that I teach every day to continue to be present in the cryptocurrency space since I first created an account in 2018.
-It took a long time and a struggle that was not easy to be able to bring my family to be present on the altcoinstalks forum which continues to discuss cryptocurrency.
-I spend a lot of time teaching my wife, mother, uncle and nephew to continue learning cryptocurrency, especially being present on the alcointalks forum.
-But after this incident (wallet connected), I have many questions and objections.

-Why wasn't this connected wallet revealed earlier by the Hunter?
- https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=148952.msg840829#msg840829 , that's a 2020 post, why haven't you reported this since 2020? Why are you only now reporting it?
-I'm not sure if you are a new member coming to altcoinstalks with a new registration date in February 2024. It's better if you also submit KYC to the admin so that it can be verified and we as a family will re-KYC it so that it can be Veirified together.

-We are one family and have a Verified KYC badge but the KYC badge immediately disappeared.
-Even though for me personally, convincing my family to learn cryptocurrency is very difficult.
-Continuing to be active from 2018 until now is not easy, there are many stories and challenges that have been faced on the altcoinstalks forum.

-Can't my family and I attend the altcoinstalks forum?
-If there is a prohibition that states 1 family cannot be on altcoinstalks, please show us.

-We have an Access Point (Wifi) that we use at the same time every day, can our family be to blame for the same IP address?
-We have a lot of transactions between wallets because we are a full family, KYC Verified is what allows us to continue to be active on altcoinstalks because it is strong proof that we are a real family.

-We don't want to forget history, back when the altcoinstalks forum was quiet, where were you guys? no one is active on the forum, maybe even leaving altcoinstalks without saying a word.
-We are a family, even though altcoinstalks is quiet but continues to be active until now, until now. Remember, we are a family that has been verified with KYC and has been active on altcoinstalks since 2018.
-I continue to teach those, including my wife, to submit a "Women In Crypto" board, that is something that perhaps some members have not thought so far as to create a "Women In Crypto" subforum.

-For KYC with my family, wife, mother, nephew (except uncle because he is working outside the city and island) I am ready to use the photos lined up together and I submitted it to the admin, that I really have a cryptocurrency family community on the altcoinstalks forum.

-Show me the rules that don't allow one family in one forum? If there really were rules, I would be willing to apply to delete my family's AltcoinStalks account. I also got this advice from my mother and uncle, because parents love their children more than being the guilty person on the forum digital.
-As far as I know, an action is considered unlawful if a rule is violated.
-If there are no rules, how can someone be considered guilty because of their ignorance?
-These rules are used in all countries, and this forum is a global forum, all countries can become members.

-And if we are deemed to have circumvented KYC, we are willing to carry out KYC again with the same data and perhaps with the latest technology that the admin has which is more detailed in verification.
-And I make sure we are ready, because the personal ID and the person are valid.
-In a trial there must be data and evidence, not just assumptions or conjectures, so we will prove my case.

-I also asked The Hunter to do KYC, because the accuser's whereabouts should be verified. Neither the wind nor the ghost can make its demands.
-How can we be accused of being unclear?
-If you are in the courtroom, the judge before starting the trial always asks for ID and legality from all parties, including lawyers, the prosecution and those being sued.

-Let's conduct the trial in a fair and valid manner.
-After all, the admin stores the KYC data, the public doesn't need to know about it.
-Me and my family's KYC, admin also keeps it, so I know its validity is clear.

-Let the Judges decide, no intervention from the president, VP or others.
-Because you should learn the differences between legislative, executive and judicial powers.
-Executive officials are not allowed to intervene in the judiciary.
-This rule applies to almost all countries, or don't worry, you are in a different world. you should learn about it.


All family members can't not use forum account. 1 account allow for 1 family. Ours all account already posi.. tagged.
Title: Re: Multi accounts (cheater)
Post by: Jokers on March 01, 2024, 05:30:01 PM
We are one family

If you are not a total newbie in Internet, you should know that in case when all the patterns of your account are similar to accounts of your relatives, you should behave like as all accounts are managed by the one. It is not an easy question, but you shouldn't do:
1. Exchanging karma. When you do so, it opens the question about misusing the system.
2. Participating in the same campaign. Others can't check that there are many real people behind the screen, so participating in one campaign will be considered as a violation in most cases.
3. Doing anything as a group against any other single user of the forum not revealing that this is an attack of a group, not several attacks of not connected users.

I'm not the one to decide, but your case is not easy and you did some things that you shouldn't.
Title: Re: Multi accounts (cheater)
Post by: Freemind on March 01, 2024, 07:40:51 PM
I am no one to decide this case either, but I have some questions that I hope you can answer @damsix... If almost your entire family, who has an account on the forum, has passed the KYC, don't you think you should have considered notifying the administrator, for example?. And I'm not talking about doing it now, but from the first moment in which more than one of your family members creates an account on the forum, I think it is not difficult and many problems, like this case, would have been avoided.

It is unfair that you criticize @The Hunter, the work he does is incredible, using his own time and I also think it is necessary to improve the quality of the forum and the user experience.

Title: Re: Multi accounts (cheater)
Post by: admin on March 01, 2024, 07:56:42 PM
A debate is taking place, senators and bounty managers will give their opinion and decision concerning this topic.
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=318651
Title: Re: Multi accounts (cheater)
Post by: dkbit98 on March 02, 2024, 12:13:39 AM
Word family was mentioned so many times that my head started to spin.
One family should not use the same wallet address and participate is same signature campaigns, and it is not normal to have six or more family members being active always in similar time on forum.

I see there is a similarity in some terminology. For example, the phrase “No problem mate”
They are one family, they all speak the same  :P
Title: Re: Multi accounts (cheater)
Post by: damsix on March 08, 2024, 04:12:37 PM
A debate is taking place, senators and bounty managers will give their opinion and decision concerning this topic.
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=318651
I don't know what's in that thread because I don't have access to view the topic.

The essence of my case (in my opinion), is the family not allowed to join the ATT forum?

I will give an example like Gen Halilintar (http://www.youtube.com/@GENHALILINTAR/) who is present on YouTube, that is, one family created a YouTube channel, which indirectly had a good effect on YouTube.

Take a look at this chart =

*Youtube - Gen Halilintar (http://www.youtube.com/@GENHALILINTAR/) - Family
*Altcoinstalks - My Family - me, wife, mother, uncle, nephew

My family is also present at ATT and has been actively contributing to the forum since 2018, but with a wallet connection it can be directly banned just like that.

From 2018 until now, there have been a lot of services for the ATT forum. I also took a lot of time "teaching them" about cryptocurrency on altcoinstalks.

Are there other considerations that are more positive than my case?
Title: Re: Multi accounts (cheater)
Post by: alltalk on March 19, 2024, 02:39:53 AM
First of all, I'd like to thank The Hunter (the plaintiff) for his efforts in helping the forum in fighting cheating in campaigns and multi-accounts. I need to emphasize that we as judges always use facts and legal rules in making decisions. We are of course always on the neutral side in deciding every case.

Based on what the plaintiff conveyed, we have carried out further investigation and analysis regarding this case.
With the facts provided, we can draw several important points regarding this case:

1. There is only 1 type of evidence, namely proof of transactions between wallets.
2. There is no supporting evidence that the sending wallet and receiving wallet are owned or managed by Damsix itself.
3. Damsix admitted that these accounts were accounts owned by his family.
4. Previously there were no special rules regarding joining a family forum. However, currently, there is a rule that states that other family members can only use 1 of the 2 extra accounts that we have.
The 2 extra accounts must declare duplicate accounts on the forum.
5. Because the accounts are used by different people, it is not considered a cheating campaign.
6. Regarding karma abuse, we leave it to the admin, because only the admin can access and know the karma log.

By paying attention to the existing points, the accused's accounts have relation because they are still in the same family of Damsix. This is reinforced by Damsix's own admission. However, this account is not considered a multi-account because it is not used by one person. However, because the forum has just made new rules regarding the use of accounts within the same family, Damsix is obliged to follow the new rules made by the forum. In accordance with the new rules, Damsix and his family can only use 3 accounts. 1 main account Damsix account, 2 duplicate Damsix accounts. Damsix is required to declare the 2 duplicate accounts in the related thread. One of the 2 duplicate accounts can be used by his family.

There is no key admissible evidence related to cheating, there is only evidence of transfers between wallets which are not accompanied by supporting evidence regarding the wallets being managed by one person. The key evidence in question is direct evidence which shows that the wallets are indeed owned by the same person. There needs to be further evidence such as POA, data, or other things that support proof of the transfer.

We close this case with the following conclusions:
Stating that Damsix is obliged to follow the new rules regarding the use of accounts within the same family which were agreed upon at the Senate hearing. Meanwhile, the accusation of cheating was not proven because the evidence was still weak.

Notes:
- Judges make decisions based on existing facts. Judges do not make decisions based on assumptions or abstract things that have no definite basis or benchmarks.
- The judge does not give punishment for something that has no legal basis in the forum.

"If the prosecution cannot prove the defendant’s guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, the jury or judge must acquit them"

https://thedefenders.net/blogs/acquittals/
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/beyond_a_reasonable_doubt