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Learning & News => Announcements [ANN] => Topic started by: NotATether on March 11, 2024, 06:28:00 AM
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Here you can post mixers links. Therefore, setting a mixers table or a screenshot of the site may be appropriate, and whoever wants more information can visit the link.
Many of mixers on that list are jambler.io partners[1], so marking that would be useful, as sometimes updating jambler.io services will affect all partners.
[1] https://jambler.io/our-partners.php
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NotATether very nice to see you started to accept banner advertisement on your website and earn something for your service ;)
I don't know what is happening with Mixtum but their Tor onion link is not working for some time, so maybe you can add question mark for them until this is resolved.
Another thing I would suggest is adding news or updates page on website.
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NotATether welcome to the forum, it's nice to see that you have finally joined this forum and have posted your site's announcement thread here. BitMixList.org is definitely the safe haven for the users who want to know about legit mixers. I hope users of this forum will get so much information about mixers after visiting your site. Once again welcome, and best of luck!
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Here you can post mixers links. Therefore, setting a mixers table or a screenshot of the site may be appropriate, and whoever wants more information can visit the link.
Then I would have to update two tables. It is hard enough to update one :)
The reason why Jambler does not get a spot on the table is because it is not a mixer. In fact, it gives bitcoins to mixers. So it's not very relevant to the end user.
Another thing I would suggest is adding news or updates page on website.
I have been thinking about adding a changelog. But it would have to be at the bottom of the page, because many mirrors are actually just single page sites.
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Good to see BitMixlist on this forum. Looking at the improvement, I can tell that you are doing very well.
Here you can post mixers links. Therefore, setting a mixers table or a screenshot of the site may be appropriate,
Perhaps he wants the visitors to visit his site to check the mixers list.
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I have been thinking about adding a changelog. But it would have to be at the bottom of the page, because many mirrors are actually just single page sites.
You can place it anywhere you what, it can even be hidden link that can redirect to your github page or something similar with more details.
I don't think you are going to have to update it so often, but it helps to see how active you are (or not) ;)
I hope github is not making any problems because of mixers...
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Indeed, it was good to see it here mate, actually I just bookmark the page like 10 minutes ago and so I was surprised to see it here, :D
Changelog should be in the bottom, in my opinion. And it's obvious that it is very important as we can see the revolution of this list. But if I have to vote about where to put the changelog, I will go on the bottom part.
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I hope github is not making any problems because of mixers...
What other platform has taken the crazy decision to ban mixers except Bitcointalk? Very unlikely. Technically mixers are still advertised on there but theymos is not aware about it at all or he was given wrong brief LOL
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What other platform has taken the crazy decision to ban mixers except Bitcointalk? Very unlikely. Technically mixers are still advertised on there but theymos is not aware about it at all or he was given wrong brief LOL
Definitely his wrong decision.
It is certainly some kind of attempt to mitigate the consequences of a bad decision that services that function as mixers are selectively allowed to attend, even though they are not declared as such.
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Definitely his wrong decision.
It is certainly some kind of attempt to mitigate the consequences of a bad decision that services that function as mixers are selectively allowed to attend, even though they are not declared as such.
I think it wasn't a wrong decision, he did it because the forum is in US jurisdiction and if he wouldn't do it then he may face legal issues in future. It was a pretty fast decision but he had to take that decision.
Well, due to some shady mixers all of the decent ones were affected because of the ban, but I believe it was for better. Now, in this forum mixers can advertise their services without any problems and Theymos is also at peace because he won't face any legal issues because of those shady mixers.
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I hope github is not making any problems because of mixers...
What other platform has taken the crazy decision to ban mixers except Bitcointalk? Very unlikely. Technically mixers are still advertised on there but theymos is not aware about it at all or he was given wrong brief LOL
Even in the event that the Github mirror is banned, I have other mirrors on Gitlab and Bitbucket.
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What other platform has taken the crazy decision to ban mixers except Bitcointalk? Very unlikely.
It wouldn't be strange for github to ban things, especially when you know who owns it.
Bitcointalk mixer ban was hard decision for theymos, and keeping them directly advertised would increase risk of some kind of punishment from government.
We don't know the full story and what was happening behind the scene.
Even in the event that the Github mirror is banned, I have other mirrors on Gitlab and Bitbucket.
Nice ;)
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What other platform has taken the crazy decision to ban mixers except Bitcointalk? Very unlikely.
It wouldn't be strange for github to ban things, especially when you know who owns it.
Bitcointalk mixer ban was hard decision for theymos, and keeping them directly advertised would increase risk of some kind of punishment from government.
We don't know the full story and what was happening behind the scene.
It would not be surprising to see Github ban stuff. Tornado Cash was banned there before and its devs were actually deplatformed. Although to be fair, that was because of a court order, and I don't see one coming for me or BitMixList (ever).
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It would not be surprising to see Github ban stuff. Tornado Cash was banned there before and its devs were actually deplatformed. Although to be fair, that was because of a court order, and I don't see one coming for me or BitMixList (ever).
You are right, I totally forgot about TornadoCash case, and they are going to continue going down that road in future if government tells them to ban whatever they want to ban.
Since micr0s0ft purchased github I lost any trust in them, but most crypto projects are still using them by default, I think this is just a habit.
Gitlab and Bitbucket are good open source alternatives.
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Since micr0s0ft purchased github I lost any trust in them, but most crypto projects are still using them by default
This is not a good news at all. Bigger companies are finishing in any project is not good for the projects that does not qualify the interest of law enforcement agencies.
I don't see one coming for me or BitMixList (ever).
BitMixList is a simple listing website with a list of a few mixers. No one knows about it except only a few of us who are in the bitcoin community. I don't think it's going to be a bigger brand ever like chipmixer who can threat a system. Take a pill and sleep LOL
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I would like to get more information about YoMIX case. As far as I know, you have removed it from your list along with other mixers. Do you have any additional evidence that you can share with us?
We already have a discussion about it here ---> https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=315215.msg1527031#msg1527031 (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=315215.msg1527031#msg1527031) but so far we have not found any confirmatory evidence.
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Can someone tell me all the mixers that are working with Jambler as provider?
It would be useful to have this information added in BitMixList website.
I found the list of partners on their website, but I think there are more that are not listed there:
https://jambler.io/our-partners.php
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I found the list of partners on their website, but I think there are more that are not listed there:
https://jambler.io/our-partners.php
I asked something similar earlier in Jambler ANN on Btt. I got an answer that there are partners who do not want to be exposed on the Jambler partner page.
Obviously, they have different ideas and approaches to finding users.
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Can someone tell me all the mixers that are working with Jambler as provider?
It would be useful to have this information added in BitMixList website.
I found the list of partners on their website, but I think there are more that are not listed there:
https://jambler.io/our-partners.php (https://jambler.io/our-partners.php)
Look for the Jambler.io PGP fingerprint in the letter of guarantee, if it is present. This mixer uses Jambler.io even if it is not mentioned, as all mixing operations go through the Jambler API.
B8A5 CFCA F63F F2D8 384A 6B12 D3B2 8095 6F0E 7CAF (https://jambler.io/pgp-key.txt)
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Can someone tell me all the mixers that are working with Jambler as provider?
It would be useful to have this information added in BitMixList website.
I found the list of partners on their website, but I think there are more that are not listed there:
https://jambler.io/our-partners.php
AFAIK there is a list of them here: https://mixhub.to/
but I haven't thought about adding that information because I don't see the use of knowing who provides the coins. Especially when it is unknown who gave them the coins. Yes I know it's regular users like us, but their coin history - not so much. And actually what business is it for us to look at people's coin history anyway - leaving the Jambler information out from the table removes the bias in the decision-making process and discourages thinking about taint, anyway.
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I asked something similar earlier in Jambler ANN on Btt. I got an answer that there are partners who do not want to be exposed on the Jambler partner page.
I can understand why they replied like that, but there must be some unofficial list of all mixers that are using Jambler.
If I remember correctly that new mixer Tengricrypto used Jambler also.
Look for the Jambler.io PGP fingerprint in the letter of guarantee, if it is present. This mixer uses Jambler.io even if it is not mentioned, as all mixing operations go through the Jambler API.
Thanks.
I will check that out.
AFAIK there is a list of them here: https://mixhub.to/
I know about this website since they appeared inbitcointalk forum, but it looks like it's outdated for a while.
Maybe best way to find this out is by doing what hugeblack.
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Danger: Do not trust random mixer lists found on Google search!
These websites usually contain a list of random old and new mixers, including mixers which have already been shut down, and also mixers which have ceased operations, so not only is there the potential for inconvenience at not finding the mixer you are looking for, there is a strong chance of going to a list loaded with phishing links.
One example of such a website is
elementalcrypto.com/reviews/best-bitcoin-tumbler/ [DO NOT CLICK]
This page is full of phishing links to mixers which will not actually mix your coins but will just scam you.
All links on BitMixList are vetted to make sure they are authentic, and we do not link to legally dubious mixers.
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Danger: Do not trust random mixer lists found on Google search!
So you are saying that we should only trust your list, Bitmixlist? ;D
Internet search of anything is always going to give false results and scams are advertised all the time, that is why I think crypto forums are important.
I am not getting many results about mixers from altcoinstalks forum, so maybe they need to hire someone to help them fix that.
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Danger: Do not trust random mixer lists found on Google search!
So you are saying that we should only trust your list, Bitmixlist? ;D
Many of these lists are automatically generated, and very often they are outdated representing mixers that are a thing of the past. Updating such lists is the most important part of the job, and as far as we can see, there have been a lot of changes lately.
Also, most of those lists were adequate at the beginning with correct links. Some of them eventually turn into scams or phishing, because there is probably more profit that way than the regular way.
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Danger: Do not trust random mixer lists found on Google search!
So you are saying that we should only trust your list, Bitmixlist? ;D
The only other list I know of which is (was?) up-to-date and also uses only real links is the mixhub.to website. But the author made it very clear that it is his personal project only.
Still there are many lists out there that include Chipmixer, Sinbad, and Whirlwind.money.
I will need to remove Tumbler and Unijoin later today or tomorrow.
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AFAIK there is a list of them here: https://mixhub.to/
Mixhub website appears to be down also, including their clearnet and onion version website.
I don't know exact date wen they shut it down and if this is connected in any way with recent events of several mixers gone missing.
Has anyone archived their website by any chance?
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AFAIK there is a list of them here: https://mixhub.to/
Mixhub website appears to be down also, including their clearnet and onion version website.
I don't know exact date wen they shut it down and if this is connected in any way with recent events of several mixers gone missing.
The Feds are not going to be going after mixer directories - for that to happen they would also have to seize this forum and the one on Bitcointalk too.
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The Feds are not going to be going after mixer directories - for that to happen they would also have to seize this forum and the one on Bitcointalk too.
Someone is really scared about this possibility... so much that guy who created this mixhub.to website just deleted all posts from self-moderated topic he created.
I wouldn't be surprised if he deletes all his posts in bitcointak forum soon and asks theymos to ban his account.
Paranoia 101 :o
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I will need to remove Tumbler and Unijoin later today or tomorrow.
It seems to me that in order to clarify (at least temporarily) they should simply be marked as non-working.
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I did not click on the links on your service, but I discovered that they are ref links, so it is better to provide an option by placing direct links and a box for ref links for those who want to support the service, as the list now works as a ref proxy, which I think is prohibited here.
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I will need to remove Tumbler and Unijoin later today or tomorrow.
It seems to me that in order to clarify (at least temporarily) they should simply be marked as non-working.
I agree. There are no scam accusations or opportunities for scams here because both sites are offline. Looking at their past reputation and reliability, they don't need to be removed. The information that they are offline is quite enough.
I did not click on the links on your service, but I discovered that they are ref links, so it is better to provide an option by placing direct links and a box for ref links for those who want to support the service, as the list now works as a ref proxy, which I think is prohibited here.
I understood that here (as well as on Btt) it is not forbidden to leave a site that can have ref links. (It's OK to remove them if there are any)
What is forbidden is to fill the forum with direct ref links in the post. That would really increase the amount of spam on the forum.
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I will need to remove Tumbler and Unijoin later today or tomorrow.
It seems to me that in order to clarify (at least temporarily) they should simply be marked as non-working.
I agree. There are no scam accusations or opportunities for scams here because both sites are offline. Looking at their past reputation and reliability, they don't need to be removed. The information that they are offline is quite enough.
I am not sure about this. We have not heard from either representative and currently do not even know if they will even come back.
I did not click on the links on your service, but I discovered that they are ref links, so it is better to provide an option by placing direct links and a box for ref links for those who want to support the service, as the list now works as a ref proxy, which I think is prohibited here.
I understood that here (as well as on Btt) it is not forbidden to leave a site that can have ref links. (It's OK to remove them if there are any)
What is forbidden is to fill the forum with direct ref links in the post. That would really increase the amount of spam on the forum.
This is becoming a bit of a non-issue as the sites with referral links happen to be the ones who are/have shut down. The Jambler family of mixers don't have direct affiliate programs.
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I did not click on the links on your service, but I discovered that they are ref links, so it is better to provide an option by placing direct links and a box for ref links for those who want to support the service, as the list now works as a ref proxy, which I think is prohibited here.
So what? ::)
There is no rule anywhere that is not allowing me to add million ref links on my own website, so this is really silly coming from you.
It's not like you are going to get infected with malware if you click something that is using ref links, and he needs to maintain payments for server, hosting, etc.
And you can even add any ref links directly in forum signature, so they are technically in forum.
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I understood that here (as well as on Btt) it is not forbidden to leave a site that can have ref links. (It's OK to remove them if there are any)
What is forbidden is to fill the forum with direct ref links in the post. That would really increase the amount of spam on the forum.
I did not suggest removing them, but putting an option for ref links if you want to support the service.
So what? ::)
There is no rule anywhere that is not allowing me to add million ref links on my own website, so this is really silly coming from you.
I thought that developing this list was part of an effort to preserve privacy, especially after banning mixing services, but now mixers that have ref links appear first, and some ads appear at the top, so at least leave an option to click on referral links if they want to support the service.
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I thought that developing this list was part of an effort to preserve privacy, especially after banning mixing services, but now mixers that have ref links appear first, and some ads appear at the top, so at least leave an option to click on referral links if they want to support the service.
You are right about this. But that's how it is in the affiliate business, those links that can bring profit to the blog owner are always highlighted first. It is logical to expect some kind of reward for the effort or at least possibly cover the costs.
Given that arriving directly or via a referral link does not change anything for the visitor, I do not see a particular problem with that.
For example, Bestchange is designed exclusively for this way of profit, and only services that have an affiliate/partner program can be included in their monitoring. It is their only source of income. (No sponsors, ads or anything similar)
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I thought that developing this list was part of an effort to preserve privacy, especially after banning mixing services, but now mixers that have ref links appear first, and some ads appear at the top, so at least leave an option to click on referral links if they want to support the service.
The site has to be financially sustaining somehow, as the servers aren't going to pay for themselves.
Besides, before, the sites used to be in an alphabetical order. All of the sites on the website are indeed privacy services.
I actually think that adding two kinds of links would be more a burden than a benefit. If you don;t like the referral link then just remove it from the URL.
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I thought that developing this list was part of an effort to preserve privacy, especially after banning mixing services, but now mixers that have ref links appear first, and some ads appear at the top, so at least leave an option to click on referral links if they want to support the service.
Have you ever donated to this service, since you value privacy so much? ::)
I don't think so, but you are big on words and criticism, and you clearly have no idea what it takes to operate any website that was attacked by multiple DDOS attacks...
Blaming someone with statement that ref links are not allowed in forum feels like someone is trying to snitch to admin for something that is clearly allowed :P
This reminds me a lot on something that happened in bitcointalk forum not long ago...
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I actually think that adding two kinds of links would be more a burden than a benefit. If you don;t like the referral link then just remove it from the URL.
Yes, adding two different links might be burdensome but you could have a disclaimer about the links are referral links. However, that's not needed but if added then I think it won't impact the site in anyway.
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I do not see a particular problem with that.
I actually think that adding two kinds of links would be more a burden than a benefit. If you don;t like the referral link then just remove it from the URL.
Ok, since you both don't see a problem, I think I overreacted.
I don't think so, but you are big on words and criticism, and you clearly have no idea what it takes to operate any website that was attacked by multiple DDOS attacks...
Blaming someone with statement that ref links are not allowed in forum feels like someone is trying to snitch to admin for something that is clearly allowed :P
This reminds me a lot on something that happened in bitcointalk forum not long ago...
@dkbit98 Is this your usual way of responding to others, we have
Please READ before commenting anything about this subject.
There is no rule anywhere that is not allowing me to add million ref links on my own website, so this is really silly coming from you.
I don't think so, but you are big on words and criticism, and you clearly have no idea what it takes to operate any website that was attacked by multiple DDOS attacks...
I didn't notice this until you mentioned what happened in the forum, so let me ask you, is that the reason? If it's true then to avoid drama I think it's better to ignore each other, otherwise I'm sorry for thinking about it.
Yes, adding two different links might be burdensome but you could have a disclaimer about the links are referral links. However, that's not needed but if added then I think it won't impact the site in anyway.
+1
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Finally the update has been published.
Some mirrors are not responding to this update so one of these days I will have to remove the dead and/or out-of-date items.
All:
Do you think it would be a good idea to offer a simulation of how a bitcoin mixer would work, on testnet maybe?
It could be useful for people to understand exactly what is happening when people use a mixer.
(of course it will never go on mainnet)
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Do you think it would be a good idea to offer a simulation of how a bitcoin mixer would work, on testnet maybe?
No, there is nothing complicated about using a mixer, and they are not all working exactly the same way, so simulation is worthless.
There was one testnet mixer before as CM clone (in bitcointalk forum), but they turned into mainnet mixer soon enough, and I think they even created ANN topic here.
I am suspicious about that service and I wouldn't recommend it.
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Do you think it would be a good idea to offer a simulation of how a bitcoin mixer would work, on testnet maybe?
It could be useful for people to understand exactly what is happening when people use a mixer.
(of course it will never go on mainnet)
Honestly, who is involved in assessing the legality of service, I would not be surprised if at some point your educational material is also marked as risky. It's probably better for you not to risk it that way.
Some instructions, animations and an explanation of how everything works is always a good thing, who knows, maybe one day it will help so that mixers are not viewed exclusively as an illegal activity.
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Another automated attack has taken down the Tor mirror of BitMixList. The main site was unaffected by this. Please stand by while I restore operations.
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Another automated attack has taken down the Tor mirror of BitMixList. The main site was unaffected by this. Please stand by while I restore operations.
Again?! :o
This just shows again how serious they are with this attacks and censorship of mixers and everything related with privacy.
If they are doing this with simple aggregative list of privacy for bitcoin, you can only imagine how they are attacking mixer websites itself.
It's fairly easy to do this when you have unlimited money supply and money printing machine. :P
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Another automated attack has taken down the Tor mirror of BitMixList. The main site was unaffected by this. Please stand by while I restore operations.
Again?! :o
This just shows again how serious they are with this attacks and censorship of mixers and everything related with privacy.
If they are doing this with simple aggregative list of privacy for bitcoin, you can only imagine how they are attacking mixer websites itself.
It's fairly easy to do this when you have unlimited money supply and money printing machine. :P
This time it did not look like it was targeted. It appeared to be a DNS amplification attack hitting servers at random, and I somehow got caught in it. Very brief but deadly, and ISP has shut off my IPv4 traffic as a result of that as it had caused quite a few abuse reports :(
I need a few days to make backups, then I'll reinstall the server and we should be good (?) depending on whether this was a one-off (I hope so!)
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bump :)
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Site content update is planned in the next 48 hours.
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Site content update is planned in the next 48 hours.
Don't forget to remove dead Tengri mixer from the list.
You can also add another p2p telegram bot exchange lnp2pbot, it is getting more popular recently and it has cash available for trading.
https://lnp2pbot.com/
Someone forked Wasabi wallet and created Ginger wallet, but there is no download links available yet:
https://gingerwallet.io/
https://github.com/GingerPrivacy
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New update has been pushed.
Changelog:
- Removed Tengri, MrStork
- Added ZeusMEX exchange
- Fixed the Anonymixer onion URL to use http (at Anonymixer's request)
- Mixers are now sorted by creation year.
You can also add another p2p telegram bot exchange lnp2pbot, it is getting more popular recently and it has cash available for trading.
https://lnp2pbot.com/
Someone forked Wasabi wallet and created Ginger wallet, but there is no download links available yet:
https://gingerwallet.io/
https://github.com/GingerPrivacy
I haven't seen these yet, but I'll take a good look at them first before doing anything else.
Edit: strange, ZeusMEX website ironically seems to be down. I thnik they are still doing maintenance from yesterday.
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Someone forked Wasabi wallet and created Ginger wallet, but there is no download links available yet:
https://gingerwallet.io/
https://github.com/GingerPrivacy
I haven't seen these yet, but I'll take a good look at them first before doing anything else.
The download link took me to the Wasabi wallet.
It seems that it is a Wasabi wallet with an added BTCPay server plugin.
https://docs.btcpayserver.org/Wabisabi/
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Edit: strange, ZeusMEX website ironically seems to be down. I thnik they are still doing maintenance from yesterday.
If they do not modify their exchange algorithm, ZeusMEX requires complete AML check first.
Read the next reply
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If they do not modify their exchange algorithm, ZeusMEX requires complete AML check first.
you cut off an important part in the quote.
Yes, they will have an AML check, but they will not require KYC or freeze the funds but will return them back to the sender. This can qualify them as a private exchange.
If the funds pass the AML check, the exchange continues; if they do not pass, a refund form appears on the exchange page, where you need to specify the address to which you want your BTC returned and click the "submit" button. After this, your bitcoins will be returned instantly from the same unique funding address to which you made the payment for the exchange request.
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you cut off an important part in the quote.
Yes, they will have an AML check, but they will not require KYC or freeze the funds but will return them back to the sender. This can qualify them as a private exchange.
Hmm that sounds right, my apologies. +1
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Edit: strange, ZeusMEX website ironically seems to be down. I thnik they are still doing maintenance from yesterday.
I don't know what they consider to be soon, but such long maintenance is not a good sign for new exchange.
It would be better if they first did most of the work before main release.
Yes, they will have an AML check, but they will not require KYC or freeze the funds but will return them back to the sender. This can qualify them as a private exchange.
This is only in theory, we don't know how they would react in real life situation, and they are not even working at the moment.
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This is only in theory, we don't know how they would react in real life situation, and they are not even working at the moment.
We should definitely wait and see how they operate when everything starts working. What justifies this possibility is that they claim that they will work exclusively with their reserves of funds and that they are not just another API partner of one of the well-known services.
Given that they have not been proven, in the end, even though their website has been in maintenance for a few days, I'm a little surprised that NotATether already put them on the list.
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Given that they have not been proven, in the end, even though their website has been in maintenance for a few days, I'm a little surprised that NotATether already put them on the list.
When I had updated my local copy of the website with this information, the site was still working normally. This period of maintenance has happened after that but before I had propagated the changes over (S)FTP and git. So even though it might feel a little strange to include an exchange that is under maintenance, I was already going to add it anyway.
The more concerning part though is how there hasn't been any communication from the official representative on the matter.
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The more concerning part though is how there hasn't been any communication from the official representative on the matter.
Website is now totally gone and it's showing Bad gateway error, that is second or third day since alleged maintenance work was announced.
I just hope someone didn't decide to exchange large amount of coins that end up stuck in the Zeusmex black hole.
They already started campaign in bitointalk and they are not even available, and last login date in forum was June 01.
It doesn't look good to me...
(https://i.ibb.co/Z2fxVFw/imgbd20f0935d3e5451b451aa11570d0027.jpg)
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They finished before they started. :(
NotATether you can remove them from the list
ZeusMEX — instant cryptocurrency exchange.
Unfortunately, due to the financial losses of our investor, our exchange cannot continue to operate at the moment.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5498049.0
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They finished before they started. :(
NotATether you can remove them from the list
How the heck did they lose money, and why didn't they post any information about that?
I think they started this fake exchange with intention to scam people or they are just a bunch of amateurs who don't anything about exchanges.
Investor's financial difficulties sounds like a BS to me.
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How the heck did they lose money, and why didn't they post any information about that?
I think they started this fake exchange with intention to scam people or they are just a bunch of amateurs who don't anything about exchanges.
Investor's financial difficulties sounds like a BS to me.
I got the impression that they started the whole project with a relatively small supply of working capital. Maybe they had promises from an investor that they would invest when they were operational, but considering that they had been developing the platform for months, many things could have changed in the meantime.
The reason why I think like this, at one point I tried to create an exchange order with them, and at that point, the maximum possible amount of Bitcoin was around 0.06. Which is quite a bit for this kind of business.
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Someone forked Wasabi wallet and created Ginger wallet, but there is no download links available yet:
https://gingerwallet.io/
https://github.com/GingerPrivacy
Here is a thread about Ginger Wallet, one of the developers is on the forum. Downloads have been available since yesterday: ✅ Ginger Wallet: Enjoy seamless Coinjoin integration (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=321816.0).
How the heck did they lose money, and why didn't they post any information about that?
I think they started this fake exchange with intention to scam people or they are just a bunch of amateurs who don't anything about exchanges.
Investor's financial difficulties sounds like a BS to me.
I haven't had much time to read more information about ZeusMEX, and I don't understand how a business can fail before starting to offer services, at least to a large number of users. I rule out possible problems with the regulations based on what I have read in this thread, and the excuse of “financial losses” sounds to me like someone wants to run away and disappear. It seems they wanted to create a fake exchange, at least I don't see any other options considering how quickly everything has happened.
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Here is a thread about Ginger Wallet, one of the developers is on the forum. Downloads have been available since yesterday: ✅ Ginger Wallet: Enjoy seamless Coinjoin integration (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=321816.0).
Did you just open a thread for them or are you somehow involved in the whole project?
I haven't had much time to read more information about ZeusMEX, and I don't understand how a business can fail before starting to offer services, at least to a large number of users. I rule out possible problems with the regulations based on what I have read in this thread, and the excuse of “financial losses” sounds to me like someone wants to run away and disappear. It seems they wanted to create a fake exchange, at least I don't see any other options considering how quickly everything has happened.
There are countless businesses that ended before they started. It's one thing to have everything on paper and in production, and it's quite another when it needs to become operational.
I would still say that if someone wanted to "run away and disappear" they certainly wouldn't do it at the very beginning.
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Did you just open a thread for them or are you somehow involved in the whole project?
At the moment I have opened the thread so that Ginger Wallet has some kind of presence in the forum, then we will see how things go.
There are countless businesses that ended before they started. It's one thing to have everything on paper and in production, and it's quite another when it needs to become operational.
I would still say that if someone wanted to "run away and disappear" they certainly wouldn't do it at the very beginning.
What I don't understand is the short time it took to fail, although I don't know exactly what the problem was, beyond the financial losses that I have read. I would like to know more details, but I don't know if anyone will give more information or not.
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What I don't understand is the short time it took to fail, although I don't know exactly what the problem was, beyond the financial losses that I have read. I would like to know more details, but I don't know if anyone will give more information or not.
From what I understood, the zeusimix.com domain was registered in November 2023, so at least 6 months of platform development. In June '24, they presented themselves publicly, understood the suggestions, and changed the domain from zeusmix to zeusmex. Everything is operational, but with very small reserves of funds, probably the funds were designated only for the purpose of testing.
The investor who promised to provide enough reserves has changed his mind compared to November (for whatever reasons). Developers and the team that participated in the creation of the platform do not want to be investors, so closing is the only choice.
This is probably the best solution and carries the least risk, than, for example, after 6 months of business.
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From what I understood, the zeusimix.com domain was registered in November 2023, so at least 6 months of platform development. In June '24, they presented themselves publicly, understood the suggestions, and changed the domain from zeusmix to zeusmex. Everything is operational, but with very small reserves of funds, probably the funds were designated only for the purpose of testing.
The investor who promised to provide enough reserves has changed his mind compared to November (for whatever reasons). Developers and the team that participated in the creation of the platform do not want to be investors, so closing is the only choice.
This is probably the best solution and carries the least risk, than, for example, after 6 months of business.
I can understand that at the last minute they changed the domain name from mix to mex, although the service they were going to offer had nothing to do with mixers, which unfortunately shows that the pressure and harassment that mixers are suffering is being effective. If they had looked for other investors, maybe they would have had more luck and the service could be working now, but from the outside the problems are always simpler, so I guess they did what was best for them without getting into any complications.
Thanks for the info.
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I can understand that at the last minute they changed the domain name from mix to mex, although the service they were going to offer had nothing to do with mixers, which unfortunately shows that the pressure and harassment that mixers are suffering is being effective. If they had looked for other investors, maybe they would have had more luck and the service could be working now, but from the outside the problems are always simpler, so I guess they did what was best for them without getting into any complications.
Wouldn't have really bothered me if they kept the old name to be honest. I have seen websites without anything looking like "mix" in the name get banned for being mixers. I think people are just attaching too much importance to the naming and stuff.
Still feel kind of gutted that the site crashed and burned right after I listed them though :(
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Wouldn't have really bothered me if they kept the old name to be honest. I have seen websites without anything looking like "mix" in the name get banned for being mixers. I think people are just attaching too much importance to the naming and stuff.
Still feel kind of gutted that the site crashed and burned right after I listed them though :(
I agree that it is possible that people are giving too much importance to that, but "the fear" that has been created by the authorities of some country makes people think about it a lot, that is why they prefer not have anything related to "mix" in the domain name. It is a shame what has happened, but maybe it is better to do it now than to regret it in a few months with more economic losses and possible customers dissatisfied with the service. It has always been said that sometimes going backwards is a victory.
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Wouldn't have really bothered me if they kept the old name to be honest. I have seen websites without anything looking like "mix" in the name get banned for being mixers. I think people are just attaching too much importance to the naming and stuff.
Don't your website also has word a MIX in domain name? :)
You have a mix of exchanges, wallets, services and mixers listed there, but you are not actually a mixer service.
And your topic is allowed without a problem in bitcointalk forum.
People can be silly sometimes.
I found another suspicious MIX item 8)
(https://i.ibb.co/Fw8CBpX/img6d55b7d4be8848f12b85c7c21393c1f4.jpg)
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New update pushed!
I was requested to add Wasabi coordinators in addition to the list of mixers and exchanges, so I am proud to announce that there is now a list of Wasabi coordinators too.
These listings are powered by Wabisator, and the coordinator configurations redirect to their website because they display it better than any way I can think of at the moment.
I have also added some extra information about the mixing process.
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I was requested to add Wasabi coordinators in addition to the list of mixers and exchanges, so I am proud to announce that there is now a list of Wasabi coordinators too.
I am not sure if you can do that, but I think you should add more information about this coordinators related with censorship of transactions.
I heard some of them removed all restrictions and some of them kept original model from Wasabi wallet zkSNACKs that didn't allow coinjoin for coins connected with blacklisted addresses.
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(posting here as Bitcointalk does not allow linking to mixers)
After doing some investigation, I was able to independently verify these claims.
I am not sure whether these are allowed to be posted in this section of the forum or if they should go into investigations, but given that there is no sensitive data being shared beyond what was already posted on this thread (ages ago), I think this will be all right. But anyway:
Among other things, user grozdniyandy reported that the YoMix domain was on the same IP address with some other mixer domains, including digital ones (from which we can conclude that they belong to the same person). A little more than 2 weeks later, the same user reported that YoMix had changed the server.
(https://i.ibb.co/T4XtH3x/image.png)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5477452.msg63892572#msg63892572 <--- on bitcointalk
Proof: Go here -
https://search.censys.io/hosts/79.124.40.25/data/table?resource=hosts&sort=RELEVANCE&per_page=25&virtual_hosts=EXCLUDE&q=yomix.io&at_time=2024-07-04T06%3A50%3A29.175Z#8081-TCP-HTTP
Scroll up and on the top right click Raw Data > JSON
or go directly to
https://search.censys.io/hosts/79.124.40.25/data/json?resource=hosts&sort=RELEVANCE&per_page=25&virtual_hosts=EXCLUDE&q=yomix.io&at_time=2024-07-04T06%3A50%3A29.175Z
Interestingly when you search for the YoMix domain in Censys, it shows this IP address, the one for DDoS-Guard (their CDN), and a third IP address that is for a blog website that will be relevant for later.
In Censys you can find the port number allegedly used here just by Ctrl-F Find in your browser and searching for the domain name. Here you can also find all of the other shady sites running on this server, but only one of them looks exactly like the YoMix website.
At first, it may not look like they are identical. When you go to both the website on that weird-looking server and the official website and you make an order on both of them like this:
http://79.124.40.25:8081/order/view/2BZ2-L2XN-VSFC-E67T
https://yomix.io/en/order/view/9rVW-2PqB-pCDo-6541
Now try to switch the order IDs. It will say the order doesn't exist. So the order software appears to have been replicated by this other server.
...but the YoMix API software is not publicly available, it is not even on hacker forums like XSS (otherwise people like icopress who can access the forum would know about it).
Another thing that at first glance might indicate they are unrelated are the letters of guarantee:
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE----- We (YoMix.IO) have generated the bitcoin deposit address bc1qlqj80vzxntreuzr4zjhcx65jn7rzq8zdnpllcl at 2024-07-04 11:04:30.597031 for the mixing order with id 2BZ2-L2XN-VSFC-E67T. The output address(es) are the following: 1A1zP1eP5QGefi2DMPTfTL5SLmv7DivfNa. Our fee is 2.386% and 3150 BTC mining fee per output address. This mixing order is valid from 2024-07-04 11:04:30.597031 until 2024-05-28 16:22:40.923084 (if will not be extended) for amounts above or equal 0.001 BTC. -----BEGIN SIGNATURE----- HGvHlBLsEGD072ktbo2Yz+n13VChrHKUJ46OmBqdbHMiBP13h4fz5NyuQ0XkU9/H+4fkwryaD+nZnJaOU9S2ojc= -----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE----------BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
We (YoMix.IO) have generated the bitcoin deposit address bc1qxr3fqywxes9t6ejmaqnkdftllzageqahr5wt0f at 2024-07-04T11:04:24+00:00 for the mixing order with id 9rVW-2PqB-pCDo-6541. The output address(es) are the following: 100% of deposit amount to 1A1zP1eP5QGefi2DMPTfTL5SLmv7DivfNa after 70 h. 53 m.. Our fee is 4.405% and 0.0000744 BTC mining fee per output address. This mixing order is valid from 2024-07-04T11:04:24+00:00 until 2024-07-07T11:04:24+00:00 (if will not be extended) for amounts above or equal 0.001 BTC.
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
HFil1mK7g5tGF7dcKSsjqoFneqM/vk1vj1/msY+1PZbZGrE+oYcNwZNC0sdQidxNAUMSFcBvnbMFmX4Nc/uZz5Q=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
But when you verify them at https://brainwalletx.github.io or with any sign/verify message tool:
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/07/04/oRVP2.png)
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/07/04/oRLnq.png)
So all the signs maybe point to these sites being operated by different people, right? Wrong.
Remember that third IP address that came in the Censys results? Well it turns out that it is the IP address for this blog:
https://rainorshinepdx.com/
I do not trust the contents of this blog, so I put it in code tags.
But inside the blog, there are a bunch of articles, one of which is about using Bitcoin mixers. Quite surprisingly, they all link to YoMix.
The kicker here is that this website appears to have been either hacked or using a second-hand domain, because up until 2023, it was showing a website for a coffee house: https://web.archive.org/web/20220314182228/https://www.rainorshinepdx.com/
Interestingly, that seems to align with when YoMix was first started which was around January 2023. It seems far more likely that this website was hacked, because you know, why would someone buy a random domain to write a vaporware blog with?
Remember, these sites were all linked together by Censys with a search of the yomix domain name.
So why would someone use keyword stuffing to link only to the YoMix website, in a bitcoin mixer article that doesn't mention any by name, on a hacked website?
Why would YoMix run a counterfeit site of their own mixer to scam people with?
To be honest, I don't know the answers to these questions. But I do know that the other sites like Blender, Sinbad, etc are run by the same people who have access to the YoMix.io website (but not tornado cash - let's remind ourselves that tornado cash was an open source project with real faces, so these yomix people must have ripped them off).
Please, stay safe, and do not use mixers that are obviously ran by criminals in violation of sanctions. You will lose your money, and other bad things might happen to you.
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Please, stay safe, and do not use mixers that are obviously ran by criminals in violation of sanctions. You will lose your money, and other bad things might happen to you.
Follow up to this - I was motivated to publish on the website, among other things, a letter of guarantee verification tool.
Important to note that this works completely locally and does not send any data to my servers, for privacy purposes.
All major mixers are supported, but RoyalMix has a bug in the letter generation so I wasn't able to implement it yet, however once they address this I will eagerly implement this.
Whirto has no letter system.
Also there is a dark mode, new logo, et al.
Stay safe everyone!
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Follow up to this - I was motivated to publish on the website, among other things, a letter of guarantee verification tool.
Nice and useful tool, but is there no way to make it work without Javascript?
And can we use it for any custom mixer that is not listed on website?
Important to note that this works completely locally and does not send any data to my servers, for privacy purposes.
So that means that we can in theory check letter of guarantee even offline, without connecting to the internet?
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Important to note that this works completely locally and does not send any data to my servers, for privacy purposes.
So that means that we can in theory check letter of guarantee even offline, without connecting to the internet?
Yes, you can!
No theory here, it's all practical. As long as you have opened the page, or downloaded it (as a complete .htm file or with wget or something like that), then you are able to use the verification tool at any time.
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I saw that you wear signatures on the Btt forum for your site, at first glance it is quite similar to mixers. Have you spoken to theymos about it, is it in line with the mixer promotion rules?
I will not ask such questions there so as not to cause any unwanted effects.
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I saw that you wear signatures on the Btt forum for your site, at first glance it is quite similar to mixers. Have you spoken to theymos about it, is it in line with the mixer promotion rules?
I will not ask such questions there so as not to cause any unwanted effects.
After reviewing Theymos' post again, it appears that sites that contain lists of bitcoin mixers are excluded from the prohibition, as you can see with all the people wearing BitList signatures.
I don't think I will launch a BitMixList nonprofit campaign on BTT though - there's why too many people in the Services board who have created "My avatar and signature are for rent" posts. I think the market for paid signature campaigns is contracting.
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Onion link is finally working again after I found new hosting for the hidden service. :)
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I don't think I will launch a BitMixList nonprofit campaign on BTT though - there's why too many people in the Services board who have created "My avatar and signature are for rent" posts. I think the market for paid signature campaigns is contracting.
Maybe you can start new free campaign in altcoinstalks forum.
Members who are not active in other campaigns can help you with promotion, and you wont have any problem with admin and rules in this forum ;D
I think this is useful service you have and more people should know about it.
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Maybe you can start new free campaign in altcoinstalks forum.
Members who are not active in other campaigns can help you with promotion, and you wont have any problem with admin and rules in this forum ;D
I think this is useful service you have and more people should know about it.
I already did, actually. (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=322280.0)
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August update published. New features:
- There are now quick navigation links to the main sections of the page - the tables and the verify tool.
- Added JokerMix, SwampLizard, AltQuick, and Xchange.me.
- Updated the list of coordinators
- RoyalMix verification works again
Note: If you do not see the return to top button on the bottom right, make sure your ad-blocker is not blocking "social widgets" and refresh the page.
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- RoyalMix verification works again
It seems you can remove Royalmix now. Things are not looking good.
Otherwise, why are there bolded withdrawal fees for Coinomize and Mixero in your table? Coincidence or is there a reason for that?
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Otherwise, why are there bolded withdrawal fees for Coinomize and Mixero in your table? Coincidence or is there a reason for that?
It's only to highlight the mixers that have the least amount of fees for mixing.
PS. royalmix has been removed.
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September update published. New features:
- Added Godex, StealthEX, and Quickex.
- Now there's a warning that any mixer can shut down and take customers' money with them, even with a letter of guarantee.
Note: For some reason the Tor service on the onion host keeps freezing, and it only works properly after the service is restarted. I'm currently looking into this. For now, the onionsite is not working (again).
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NotATether
Can you think about adding some good system for rating of mixers and other services?
I am trying to find a way to see what mixers are used the most by the people, but I am not having any good solutions how to do it.
We can't know and verify their volume, and most of them are using Tor so clearnet website stats also won't be acceptable either.
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NotATether
Can you think about adding some good system for rating of mixers and other services?
I am trying to find a way to see what mixers are used the most by the people, but I am not having any good solutions how to do it.
We can't know and verify their volume, and most of them are using Tor so clearnet website stats also won't be acceptable either.
That would be an interesting exercise.
How about crawling the web to see how many good/bad references there are to each mixer, and then divide by the total?
E.g. using a search engine to look for "ThorMixer" for example, and it brings up some forums, trustpilot, some random other sites, and I somehow count how many pages show them in a favorable or in a critical light.
It ould work for other kinds of services too.
But the rating system must be transparent, no '5-star ratings just because I like this mixer' or anything like that.
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How about crawling the web to see how many good/bad references there are to each mixer, and then divide by the total?
I thought about that, but like I said most mixers are using onion links as prefer choice for privacy, so I am not sure if that is possible to do on Tor network.
E.g. using a search engine to look for "ThorMixer" for example, and it brings up some forums, trustpilot, some random other sites, and I somehow count how many pages show them in a favorable or in a critical light.
I don't trust Trustpilot at all, but using multiple sources would be a good idea.
There is no universal formula to measure activity, so someone needs to invent a new tool for that purpose.
But the rating system must be transparent, no '5-star ratings just because I like this mixer' or anything like that.
I agree, and rating can be easily abused.
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Small update today.
StealthEX has been removed from the list of private exchanges. I was asked by their CEO to remove their website off the list for regulatory reasons.
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Small update today.
StealthEX has been removed from the list of private exchanges. I was asked by their CEO to remove their website off the list for regulatory reasons.
Looking at their feedback on Bestchange, there is obviously a valid reason why they are disabled on BC monitoring. I wouldn't worry too much about this delist request.
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StealthEX has been removed from the list of private exchanges. I was asked by their CEO to remove their website off the list for regulatory reasons.
::)
What a stupid pathetic decision from that chicken CEO! He is going to line up in the first row to kiss regulators asses if he was so afraid of bitmixlist listing.
I am going to recommend everyone to stay away from stealthEX exchange and never to use it.
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November update published. New features:
- New P2P Marketplaces section, with Noones, LocalCoinSwap, HodlHodl, Paxful and Binance.
- Bisq, Robosats, and Peach Bitcoin were also moved to this list.
I plan to update the history with info about this industry.
Thanks for using BitMixList.
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I'm not sure if you have sent the news to Jokermix, but they are currently in maintenance plus their domain was marked as dangerous, first by Metamask and later by Cloudflare.
They are now completely offline.
They announced about it, we will see in the coming time what will happen here.
Check here: https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=322767.msg1676410#msg1676410
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November update published. New features:
- New P2P Marketplaces section, with Noones, LocalCoinSwap, HodlHodl, Paxful and Binance.
- Bisq, Robosats, and Peach Bitcoin were also moved to this list.
Sorry but I don't like that you started adding services with mandatory KYC verification, you just opened a big can of worms.
Binance and Paxful should have nothing to do with Bitcoin Mixers List, and I am not sure if they can ban your account for any reason.
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Sorry but I don't like that you started adding services with mandatory KYC verification, you just opened a big can of worms.
Binance and Paxful should have nothing to do with Bitcoin Mixers List, and I am not sure if they can ban your account for any reason.
I might remove them, if I can find some more KYC-free websites like HodlHodl, Noones, etc. I just didn't want that list to be too small.
I'm not sure if you have sent the news to Jokermix, but they are currently in maintenance plus their domain was marked as dangerous, first by Metamask and later by Cloudflare.
They are now completely offline.
They announced about it, we will see in the coming time what will happen here.
Check here: https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=322767.msg1676410#msg1676410
Dang. Looks like I have to remove them immediately.
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I might remove them, if I can find some more KYC-free websites like HodlHodl, Noones, etc. I just didn't want that list to be too small.
I mentioned already some of them before, but I will repeat again:
lnp2pbot:
https://lnp2pbot.com/
RetoSwap (HavenoDex) - this is fork of Bisq based on monero:
https://retoswap.com
BasicSwap:
https://basicswapdex.com/
I also think that Unstoppableswap fits peer-to-peer category, now you have it under Private Exchanges.
There are probably few more options available, but they are more risky or not very popular.
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There are probably few more options available, but they are more risky or not very popular.
If the ones that you mentioned are safe then it's good but what if those are also risky? What if users try those platforms and face scam related issues? I haven't use those platforms myself but if someone has used those and didn't face any issues then it's good to add those.
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November update published. New features:
- New P2P Marketplaces section, with Noones, LocalCoinSwap, HodlHodl, Paxful and Binance.
- Bisq, Robosats, and Peach Bitcoin were also moved to this list.
I plan to update the history with info about this industry.
Thanks for using BitMixList.
New P2P sites published!
Nonkyc, lnp2pbot, and Retoswap (formerly Haveno-reto).
Paxful and Binance have been removed.
Jokermix has also been removed.
BasicSwap:
https://basicswapdex.com/
I've never heard of this one, so I need to check it out.
I also think that Unstoppableswap fits peer-to-peer category, now you have it under Private Exchanges.
No, P2P Marketplaces is only for those sites which let you buy/sell crypto with cash.
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Jokermix has also been removed.
We will update ✍🏻
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No, P2P Marketplaces is only for those sites which let you buy/sell crypto with cash.
OK good.
That is not actual definition of P2P trading, but you can add additional word CASH in description to make it more clear for everyone to understand.
Maybe creating additional Cash-Out services category would be interesting to have, that can include virtual crypto cards and stuff like that.
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Maybe creating additional Cash-Out services category would be interesting to have, that can include virtual crypto cards and stuff like that.
I am creating a different website for that.
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If I may ask you, do you manage to get any referral rewards from the Coinomize mixer?
They have some kind of captcha protection on affiliate links, I'm pretty sure that it turns off potential new users (certainly an unnecessary complication). I asked them, but I didn't get the most logical explanation as to why this is so.
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I was not sure where to post this important news, but creators of Blender and Sinbad mixers just got arrested and charged for money laundering!
Actually two of them got arrested on December 1 in Netherlands, one of them escaped, and news was released in public today.
All of them are from Russia.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/operators-cryptocurrency-mixers-charged-money-laundering
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If I may ask you, do you manage to get any referral rewards from the Coinomize mixer?
They have some kind of captcha protection on affiliate links, I'm pretty sure that it turns off potential new users (certainly an unnecessary complication). I asked them, but I didn't get the most logical explanation as to why this is so.
I had no problems with Coinomize affiliate program after talking to their support (unrelated to captcha, which is actually not a big deal really)
I was not sure where to post this important news, but creators of Blender and Sinbad mixers just got arrested and charged for money laundering!
Actually two of them got arrested on December 1 in Netherlands, one of them escaped, and news was released in public today.
All of them are from Russia.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/operators-cryptocurrency-mixers-charged-money-laundering
Theymos must have saw this coming when he banned mixers from Bitcointalk. Good thing this place has no Sinbad advertisements.
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I was not sure where to post this important news, but creators of Blender and Sinbad mixers just got arrested and charged for money laundering!
Because of discussions like this, I started a thread LIST - Bitcoin mixers & Tumbler services! (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=315215.0)
I was not sure where to post this important news, but creators of Blender and Sinbad mixers just got arrested and charged for money laundering!
Actually two of them got arrested on December 1 in Netherlands, one of them escaped, and news was released in public today.
All of them are from Russia.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/operators-cryptocurrency-mixers-charged-money-laundering
Theymos must have saw this coming when he banned mixers from Bitcointalk. Good thing this place has no Sinbad advertisements.
OK, here was the connection of hacker groups with those two mixers, but throughout the entire report, the entire mixer industry is generalized quite negatively.
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Theymos must have saw this coming when he banned mixers from Bitcointalk. Good thing this place has no Sinbad advertisements.
I don't think so.... this is nothing new we didn't already saw with Chipmixer and other services.
It won't be any different with new upcoming puppet administration.
Because of discussions like this, I started a thread LIST - Bitcoin mixers & Tumbler services! (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=315215.0)
I know about it, and I posted there something else few days ago, but I couldn't find it yesterday and I didn't remember who created it...
Sadly I am still not navigating AltcoinsTalks forum the way I want to, lot of dead ends and one way streets, while A have more important things to do.
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mistake
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As I posted on Bitcointalk, I am going to move the website to a new server to avoid my upstream provider's maintenance period.
I'm about to update the DNS entries now - let me know if you experience any problems.
UPDATE: Ads are not working. It seems that there is a problem with the docker container. Working on it.
UPDATE: Ads are fixed now - ports were not mapped properly. Migration complete.
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I know about it, and I posted there something else few days ago, but I couldn't find it yesterday and I didn't remember who created it...
Sadly I am still not navigating AltcoinsTalks forum the way I want to, lot of dead ends and one way streets, while A have more important things to do.
I completely understand you, sometimes I can't find that thread myself even though I created it. :( It is not in the initial category where I created it, but the moderators moved it, which confuses me even more.
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As I posted on Bitcointalk, I am going to move the website to a new server to avoid my upstream provider's maintenance period.
I don't know if anyone told you, but you should remove blockdx.net from the list of The List Of Private Exchanges.
Their website is not working anymore and domain is up for sale.
Maybe you should also add section for latest news about mixers, just an idea.
I completely understand you, sometimes I can't find that thread myself even though I created it. :( It is not in the initial category where I created it, but the moderators moved it, which confuses me even more.
It easier for me to find stuff in bitcointalk using ninjastic.space, but we don't have something like that in here, and search here sucks :P
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January update published. New features:
- Blockdx has been removed.
- Jokermix has been added again, along with their new PGP signing key.
- Current events have been added which you can read about https://bitmixlist.com/#aioseo-other-justice-department-actions
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@NotATether
I added mixer aggregators in the second post of this thread. LIST - Bitcoin mixers & Tumbler services! ✅✅ (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=315215.msg1467744#msg1467744)
You can check if the info for Bitmixlist.org is ok, if it needs correction or if you have any idea how to make the info more complete, just ping me.
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I like this new events page being added, now you just have to keep it updated with fresh information.
- Jokermix has been added again, along with their new PGP signing key.
Jokermix is now using slightly different mixing fees and they added additional 15 sats for that, so now fee is 2% + 15 sats.
I didn't check myself if fees remained the same or changed for other mixer services.
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February update published. New features:
- Add MedusaMixer (Jambler partner since 2023)
- Use the correct website name for DreamMixer
- Add Telegram bots for each mixer in the table. (There are surprisingly only a few.)
- New Bitcoin unit conversion widget at the bottom of the page, powered by CoinGecko. Requires Javascript - it will not work on Tor with the default NoScript settings. Useful to anybody who wants to convert BTC to USD without leaving the page. It also preserves your privacy. (https://breachdirectory.com/blog/0-00001-btc-to-usd-keep-quiet-crypto-abduction-case/)
The onion link is also working by the way. :)
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Jokermix is now using slightly different mixing fees and they added additional 15 sats for that, so now fee is 2% + 15 sats.
I didn't check myself if fees remained the same or changed for other mixer services.
This amount is very negligible and even the transaction fees you pay to miners are larger than this. So I don't think it makes sense to include the 15 sats part.
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This amount is very negligible and even the transaction fees you pay to miners are larger than this. So I don't think it makes sense to include the 15 sats part.
That is not negligible for Jokermix ;)
It is still a change from previous fees, and 15 sats in future could be worth a lot more than today.
Maybe they just wanted to increase the fee in minimal way without changing it from 2% to some silly number like 2.0001%.
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This amount is very negligible and even the transaction fees you pay to miners are larger than this. So I don't think it makes sense to include the 15 sats part.
That is not negligible for Jokermix ;)
It is still a change from previous fees, and 15 sats in future could be worth a lot more than today.
Maybe they just wanted to increase the fee in minimal way without changing it from 2% to some silly number like 2.0001%.
I haven't used Jokermix, so I don't have exact information on how much 15 hours cost in the actual mixing process. (It would be good if someone could clarify that) Certainly 2% + 15 hours + Network fee as a Variable withdrawal fee sounds fairer than the fixed fee per address practised by most mixers.
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Bump!
I just had a really neat idea which I posted on the GenesisMix thread:
Useful information, Please do not ignore:
🛡️ Our domain extension is .cx, please visit: https://genesismix.cx/
This gives me an idea. Why don't I make a matrix of all the mixers' domains, and then color them green or red to denote whether it's legit or phishing?
It was a hobby project of mine for some time but for crypto sites in general. I reckon I could have it up in about a week with the help of Grok (which by the way is seriously good at coding - highly recommend it if you're a developer).
I have been sitting on a Chrome Web Store account for some time, which I haven't used for anything useful yet (except to make an anti-phishing extension for gibberish domain names (https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/idnblock-punycode-filter/gbbnmbedljnoklkpakeghjakegmldlkl))
Additionally:
I announce plans to make an automatic phishing link blocker.
It will be similar to the Metamask web3 badlist but this one will be for Bitcoin sites.
The extension will be available for Firefox and Chrome, on the desktop platforms. And for people who use other platforms such as mobiles, Tor, Safari, Internet Explorer (ewww) I will have a public list of domains on Github which you can import to a Pi-hole or some other DNS-blocking frontend like NetDNS or maybe even a VPN.
That way anyone will be able to use the filter.
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It might be time for me to add some new sites.
What do you all recommend?
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May update published. New features:
- Remove QuickEx.
- Remove Godex.
- Add GenesisMix, including signing address.
- Add Chainswap.
- Add links to THORChain and Railgun anonymizing services.
- Remove warning next to Ginger Wallet, since they are allowing US users again.
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