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Title: Roger arrested
Post by: bitmover on April 30, 2024, 09:19:21 PM
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Man Known as “Bitcoin Jesus” Evaded Nearly $50M in Taxes
An indictment was unsealed yesterday charging Roger Ver, an early investor in bitcoins, with mail fraud, tax evasion and filing false tax returns. Ver was arrested this weekend in Spain based on the U.S. criminal charges. The United States will seek Ver’s extradition to stand trial in the United States.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/early-bitcoin-investor-charged-tax-fraud

Impressed to see early adopters being arrested! 50M is a lot of money!

Roger Ver is mostly known for his support of the BCH fork, which he was an activist since 2017
Title: Re: Roger arrested
Post by: TomPluz on May 01, 2024, 01:35:25 PM


This is a surprising turn of events of Roger Ver, one of the few people who really benefitted a lot in owning and subsequently selling BTC in its pioneering years and is very much known to be leading his own Bitcoin Cash (BCH), first of the Bitcoin forks. Arrested in Spain, the man is facing mail fraud, tax evasion and filing false tax returns alleged to have caused a loss to the IRS of at least $48 million. So right now, we are seeing a barrage of many cases against people who worked and made money in the cryptocurrency industry. Lat year, we witnessed the fall of FTX and later on the 25-year sentence of Sam Bankman-Friend and then Changpeng Zhao just got four months of prison terms for violating US money-laundering laws when Binance allowed transactions circling on child sex abuse, the illegal drug trade and ‘terrorism’. This case on Roger Ver is worth watching and let's wait how many months or years will he get as a sentence. I am just wondering if there is really a coordinated movement by the US government to go after people in cryptocurrency.


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Title: Re: Roger arrested
Post by: ABCbits on May 01, 2024, 02:35:49 PM
As non-US citizen, reading this kind of news makes me think tax system in US is very complicated. It's also weird they decide to arrest him now, when government claim he sold his Bitcoin back on 2017 (7 years ago) and US government recently arrest of Samourai founder. I don't know whether Roger Ver actually do something wrong, so let's see what will he do in defense.
Title: Re: Roger arrested
Post by: Lucius on May 02, 2024, 04:06:42 PM
The man was already in prison for selling illegal substances (if I'm not mistake pyrotechnics), so at least he has some experience if he ends up there again. It may sound heartless, but the IRS doesn't go after someone because they don't like them, but because that person owes them money - and someone who has a lot of money should be able to pay experts to tell them if they have any tax obligations or not.

Spain has proven to be a country that is wise to avoid if you have problems with the US, and John McAfee felt that on his own skin. Roger obviously hasn't learned anything from the mistakes of others, but he went down some wrong paths a long time ago and I can understand that only some from the early days of Bitcoin have some sympathy for him. I only remember him as a promoter of something he called Bitcoin, which was actually just a fork and nothing more.
Title: Re: Roger arrested
Post by: pawel7777 on May 02, 2024, 07:21:16 PM
Didn't he renounced his US citizenship ages ago especially for the purpose of not having to declare/pay taxes to the US Gov? As I believe even US citizens who permanently live/work abroad have to do so.
Apparently that wasn't enough.
He fought the law but the law won.
Title: Re: Roger arrested
Post by: bitmover on May 02, 2024, 11:12:15 PM
Quote from: ABCbits on May 01, 2024, 02:35:49 PM
I don't know whether Roger Ver actually do something wrong, so let's see what will he do in defense.

I am impressed how come this guy was free all those years after scamming so much people with that bitcoin cash (which is neither bitcoin nor cash)

He is a big scammer imo. He could have created his fork, but he didn't need to call it the real bitcoin and use bitcoin.com  to spread lies about it etc..
Title: Re: Roger arrested
Post by: ABCbits on May 03, 2024, 10:33:30 AM
Quote from: bitmover on May 02, 2024, 11:12:15 PM
Quote from: ABCbits on May 01, 2024, 02:35:49 PM
I don't know whether Roger Ver actually do something wrong, so let's see what will he do in defense.
I am impressed how come this guy was free all those years after scamming so much people with that bitcoin cash (which is neither bitcoin nor cash)

He is a big scammer imo. He could have created his fork, but he didn't need to call it the real bitcoin and use bitcoin.com  to spread lies about it etc..

I was talking whether he actually perform tax fraud or not. But when we're talking about his BCH promotion and bitcoin.com, he's definitely was in wrong. After all, he trick people into buying BCH when people think they buy BTC. In addition, there were some complain that people send BTC to BCH address or BCH to BTC address.
Title: Re: Roger arrested
Post by: Lucius on May 04, 2024, 03:01:09 PM
Quote from: ABCbits on May 03, 2024, 10:33:30 AM
I was talking whether he actually perform tax fraud or not. But when we're talking about his BCH promotion and bitcoin.com, he's definitely was in wrong. After all, he trick people into buying BCH when people think they buy BTC. In addition, there were some complain that people send BTC to BCH address or BCH to BTC address.

Some people still call him Bitcoin Jesus, even though he turned into Bitcoin Judas a long time ago - but that raises the question of whether he did more good or bad when it comes to Bitcoin. In my opinion, anyone who misleads other people at any time and thus causes them any damage (especially financial) cannot be considered a person who should continue to be respected because he did something good in the past.

Everyone gets punished sooner or later for the bad things they did in life, I think Roger is no exception.
Title: Re: Roger arrested
Post by: NotATether on May 05, 2024, 11:57:22 AM
Quote from: bitmover on May 02, 2024, 11:12:15 PM
Quote from: ABCbits on May 01, 2024, 02:35:49 PM
I don't know whether Roger Ver actually do something wrong, so let's see what will he do in defense.

I am impressed how come this guy was free all those years after scamming so much people with that bitcoin cash (which is neither bitcoin nor cash)

He is a big scammer imo. He could have created his fork, but he didn't need to call it the real bitcoin and use bitcoin.com  to spread lies about it etc..

Yeah, using bitcoin.com to promote Bitcoin Cash was really egregious, and I see it as more of a cash grab than advancing anything in either of those two blockchains.

That being said, not paying your taxes is something completely different and we regularly see arrests of people who don't send in their tax return forms.
Title: Re: Roger arrested
Post by: Freemind on May 05, 2024, 07:53:35 PM
Quote from: bitmover on May 02, 2024, 11:12:15 PM
I am impressed how come this guy was free all those years after scamming so much people with that bitcoin cash (which is neither bitcoin nor cash)

He is a big scammer imo. He could have created his fork, but he didn't need to call it the real bitcoin and use bitcoin.com  to spread lies about it etc..

I don't know if Roger Ver is a scammer or not, but what I do know is that he has been attacking Bitcoin for many years. And the most annoying thing about that is that Ver didn't need to do it, it was the perfect excuse to promote his stupid fork and get a lot more money than he already had. I have always thought that Ver is nothing more than another well-known person in the industry who all he has done is leave the community with a bad image in front of the general public. Roger Ver could join the list with Do Kwon and others.
Title: Re: Roger arrested
Post by: Peter90 on May 19, 2024, 12:16:54 PM
Quote from: Freemind on May 05, 2024, 07:53:35 PM
I don't know if Roger Ver is a scammer or not, but what I do know is that he has been attacking Bitcoin for many years. And the most annoying thing about that is that Ver didn't need to do it, it was the perfect excuse to promote his stupid fork and get a lot more money than he already had. I have always thought that Ver is nothing more than another well-known person in the industry who all he has done is leave the community with a bad image in front of the general public. Roger Ver could join the list with Do Kwon and others.

This is the second time I catch you smearing pro-BTC prominent figures (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=315934.msg1527351#msg1527351) Freemind.
Let's see how long does it take for you to stop following Google, Facebook & Co. and starting educating yourself.


Authorities going after pro-BTC figures,
mainstream media defaming them,
moderators of a crypto forum siding with authorities and mainstream media.
Disgusting


Ver saw BTC being reduced to a tool to make money,
he upheld the original idea of BTC as a permissionless p2p payment system,
that means replacing banks and fiat currencies.
Are you surprised that the Powers - the same Powers pushing Operation Check Point 2 (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=317418.msg1538132#msg1538132) - are coming after him?

And now the same crypto people that have no problem seeing BTC reduced to a tool to make money are those who enjoy seeing him in jail.
Disgusting

Btw, Ver has only been accused of tax evasion, there hasn't been any trial yet.
But these people talk about him as if he being a tax criminal would be an established fact.
No need for trials. The accusation of authorities and media is all these crypto ass***es need.
The crypto community
Title: Re: Roger arrested
Post by: Freemind on May 19, 2024, 12:44:06 PM
Quote from: Peter90 on May 19, 2024, 12:16:54 PM
This is the second time I catch you smearing pro-BTC prominent figures (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=315934.msg1527351#msg1527351) Freemind.
Let's see how long does it take for you to stop following Google, Facebook & Co. and starting educating yourself.


Authorities going after pro-BTC figures,
mainstream media defaming them,
moderators of a crypto forum siding with authorities and mainstream media.
Disgusting


Ver saw BTC being reduced to a tool to make money,
he upheld the original idea of BTC as a permissionless p2p payment system,
that means replacing banks and fiat currencies.
Are you surprised that the Powers - the same Powers pushing Operation Check Point 2 (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=317418.msg1538132#msg1538132) - are coming after him?

And now the same crypto people that have no problem seeing BTC reduced to a tool to make money are those who enjoy seeing him in jail.
Disgusting

Btw, Ver has only been accused of tax evasion, there hasn't been any trial yet.
But these people talk about him as if he being a tax criminal would be an established fact.
No need for trials. The accusation of authorities and media is all these crypto ass***es need.
The crypto community

I'm going to tell you a secret, since I see that you follow my posts (which I appreciate) because I see that you have not understood several things. I've only used Google a few times in the 30 years I've been connected to the Internet, I don't have a Facebook account because my privacy is very important to me. For what you have said about education, you will excuse me, but I was already educated for many years, it is possible, even before you were born.

I don't care if Ver goes to jail or not, if he has done something illegal he will have consequences, if Ver has not done anything illegal he has nothing to worry about.

Regarding your accusation that I smear prominent people, those people will be prominent to you, to me they are nothing more than parasites who take advantage of something they did not create.

Surprise me, enlighten me and tell me what those notable people like Musk and Ver have done for cryptocurrencies. But tell me something other than making stupid forks or manipulating the market, I already knew those things for a long time.

Title: Re: Roger arrested
Post by: Peter90 on May 23, 2024, 09:10:44 PM
Quote from: Freemind on May 05, 2024, 07:53:35 PM
what I do know is that he has been attacking Bitcoin for many years.

Not true
Stop smearing people putting words in their mouth freemind

Ver has been attacking a "BTC" that didn't work anymore as a mean of payment but just as a tool to make money
There you go freemind
What Happened To Bitcoin?  (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=320583.msg1543523#msg1543523)

Ver has been promoting a coin that should fulfil the task of BTC according to its original goal - which is to replace fiat.

You are smearing Ver as a BTC traitor.
BTC traitors are those crypto people - how about you - who are accustomed to use BTC just as a tool to make money.

You call Ver parasite.
In my view parasites are those - how about you - taking advantage of a currency that was meant to replace fiat with sound money - to improve society - and turning it simply into a tool to make money.


Let's not multiply the threads unnecessarily
Roger Ver has been arrested (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=320949.msg1561346#msg1561346)
Title: Re: Roger arrested
Post by: Peter90 on May 23, 2024, 09:28:46 PM
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