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Crypto Discussion Forum => Forum related => Topic started by: Findingnemo on May 07, 2024, 04:20:57 PM
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As the topic title, my question is pretty straight which has been in my mind for a while: why have we yet to see a casino start their promotion, whether it's a signature campaign, free raffles, prediction contests, etc?
I can see some ANNs but not from the popular casinos as we do see on bitcointalk, I am sure they will be ready to promote if they are aware of this forum's existence.
Campaign managers may answer this better than anyone but whoever wants to add their points are welcome!
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As the topic title, my question is pretty straight which has been in my mind for a while: why have we yet to see a casino start their promotion, whether it's a signature campaign, free raffles, prediction contests, etc?
I can see some ANNs but not from the popular casinos as we do see on bitcointalk, I am sure they will be ready to promote if they are aware of this forum's existence.
Campaign managers may answer this better than anyone but whoever wants to add their points are welcome!
Actually, the promotion should be done in those places where some organic traffic can be found. Although the traffic of this forum has increased compared to before, it is still much less than the amount of traffic received from bitcointalk.
And as a result casinos get their ROI relatively lower than the invested funds here and maybe that's why they are reluctant to run altcointalk's signature campaign.
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I guess everything has a process. Before January, for example, no one thought we would see signature campaigns for the most popular mixers, and here they are. Every day there are new registrations (more than before January) and traffic, although slowly, also continues to increase. So I think that with patience the casinos will also pass through here, but it cannot be something from one day to the next. I agree that signature campaign managers can ask questions to see what casino owners think, but I also think that's something they already do.
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Maybe because they choose to do their campaigns on the other forum. As we all know that the traffic is less here, we can see the improvement compared in the previous months but maybe it is still not enough for the gambling campaigns. It's not time but we will come to that, for sure sooner or later.
There are two gambling campaign who have tried to bring their campaign here, which are bons.io and winz.io, they don't stay for longer and decided to pause their campaign after a few weeks.
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We already have it here but already stopped probably they didn't get any positive outcome promoting here. It's the Bons.io and Winz.io signature campaign. You can check the Signature campaigns (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=500.0) board.
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Lack of traffic basically is the answer IMO. I also think the amount of boards may be a bit too much as well and users are still learning the forum. We might need to consider condensing and eliminating some sections, but those are not my call and I wouldn't know where to start. Just recall reading a few complaints about it.
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I also think the amount of boards may be a bit too much as well and users are still learning the forum. We might need to consider condensing and eliminating some sections,
I also think the same, too much of sections and every section has its children it kind of overwhelming so there is high chances that people can't cope with all the boards unless they are being more active and visit every section to find out what's happening.
I thought of initiating this in as well in the suggestion box but don't know where to start, might start with forum board because most of the children are not really necessary, it can be incorporated with the main board so that we can have more exposure.
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I think because there are alternatives. If it is possible to advertise on Twitter and BTT and advertising on Twitter will achieve a higher return, you will find that the service advertises on Twitter, and there is a service like BESTCHANGE that has an advertising campaign on BTT and they do not have a campaign here, so we can say that BTT is the preferred place for campaigns.
If it is not possible to advertise there (as happened with mixing services), then one of the best alternatives is this forum.
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Lack of traffic basically is the answer IMO. I also think the amount of boards may be a bit too much as well and users are still learning the forum. We might need to consider condensing and eliminating some sections, but those are not my call and I wouldn't know where to start. Just recall reading a few complaints about it.
I couldn't agree more. I hope the admin here us and merge some boards.
Additionally to the lack of traffic, I believe the forum SEO is not that good either, as it doesn't do well in Google searches. So, the authority of the backlinks is low... disencouraging campaign
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Currently has one of casino BK8 published their ANN thread in forum altcoinstalk, I don't think with lack of traffic make some casino not advertising their project in altcoinstalk but waiting right time such as how mixer project movement from bitcointalk to this forum.
Just waiting right time for few months later and altcoinstalk get huge traffic will make any casino project advertising here and publish their ANN thread in altcoinstalk forum. Firstly need to get more active discussing on gambling board of altcoinstalk thread and make many casino project will interested for advertising their platform of casino.
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You wont see many good casinos advertised in altcoinstalk forum until gambling board doesnt improve.
Casinos are much more active in bitcointalk and things are working better there for now.
This forum is best for services that are banned in bitcointalk ;D
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The gambling section is better now compared to last year I am very active in the gambling section, and it is good that we have our Bitcointalk brothers who are active in the gambling section populate that section, it's just a matter of time before the top online casinos noticed the improvement and launch a campaign here, I hope we can have popular casinos like Duelbits and Stake launching their campaign here.
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You wont see many good casinos advertised in altcoinstalk forum until gambling board doesnt improve.
Casinos are much more active in bitcointalk and things are working better there for now.
This forum is best for services that are banned in bitcointalk ;D
The gambling board is dusty, and I feel like I'm conversing with some random ChatGPT Chatbots wearing signature and avatar. They are so ignorant and have nothing to say; they know nothing about sports. I prefer to talk football in self-moderated threads, which I don't see here. I will not return unless I see some high-quality discussion.
If gambling discussion board isn't lively enough, believe me, no major casino will advertise here.
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You wont see many good casinos advertised in altcoinstalk forum until gambling board doesnt improve.
The discussions in the gambling section are still struggling to pick up, but I believe in time everything will improve, just as the discussions on some other boards here have improved.
Casinos are much more active in bitcointalk and things are working better there for now.
Casinos are the most dominant on bitcointalk, they are not banned on bitcointalk, so maybe there has not been any need for them to consider this forum yet.
In time, it can happen.
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The discussions in the gambling section are still struggling to pick up, but I believe in time everything will improve, just as the discussions on some other boards here have improved.
Sometimes it feels like a chicken and egg problem, where a signature campaign is the most effective incentive to make boards feel alive but no one is going to advertise on a dead board unless they can do it with little to no cost. I can only see the board come alive if some high-quality members spend some time to improve the discussion quality on that board, which is a huge thing to ask if there's nothing to gain for them. Maybe the new quality bar can help that to some extent, but who knows?
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Sometimes it feels like a chicken and egg problem, where a signature campaign is the most effective incentive to make boards feel alive but no one is going to advertise on a dead board unless they can do it with little to no cost. I can only see the board come alive if some high-quality members spend some time to improve the discussion quality on that board, which is a huge thing to ask if there's nothing to gain for them. Maybe the new quality bar can help that to some extent, but who knows?
It's not a chicken and egg problem at all.
Look at Bitcointalk, you have people crying out for new boards all the time, and when that happens then that's a good thing, because it means those other sections of the forum are being utilized. When I came here, I saw a bunch of abandoned boards. It certainly doesn't help that anyone can just pay a few bucks to create a new forum for their coin/exchange.
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As the topic title, my question is pretty straight which has been in my mind for a while: why have we yet to see a casino start their promotion, whether it's a signature campaign, free raffles, prediction contests, etc?
I can see some ANNs but not from the popular casinos as we do see on bitcointalk, I am sure they will be ready to promote if they are aware of this forum's existence.
Campaign managers may answer this better than anyone but whoever wants to add their points are welcome!
There is WInz.io that managed by our beloved yahoo recently though like what said above it seems that the team did not see any good traffic so theypaused the campaign and I believe that once this forum increased the traffic and the visitors then for sure we will see those Gambling site coming here and maybe the payments will also increase like what we have in other forum and maybe we will see other managers that concentrating in gambling management like Hhampuz and others.
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Campaign managers may answer this better than anyone but whoever wants to add their points are welcome!
I will be convinced more if we have more of advertising companies and not just casino companies. The reason why this forum became lively is because of the presence of signature, some were active but the signature made it more active and so for that reasons, there is likelihood of low traffic from people from outside.
I think that if forum is more active, there will be more and more of indexing of content from the forum to other Google search, like when people discuss about mixers here often, the Altcoinstalk will appear more on Google search than other forum since it's been discussed here more and more people will come here often and the traffic will increased with time.
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As the topic title, my question is pretty straight which has been in my mind for a while: why have we yet to see a casino start their promotion, whether it's a signature campaign, free raffles, prediction contests, etc?
I can see some ANNs but not from the popular casinos as we do see on bitcointalk, I am sure they will be ready to promote if they are aware of this forum's existence.
Campaign managers may answer this better than anyone but whoever wants to add their points are welcome!
I'm sure that all or most of the casinos that are promoted on BTT know about this forum, because managers must have told them about it and offered their services - but they all obviously currently think that promoting on this forum is not profitable for them.
I sincerely doubt that the problem is money, because casinos have quite a decent profit to be able to finance such things, but considering that the pay rates on this forum are quite low, I wonder how many quality users they would be able to attract. If the casinos decided on the tactics of higher pay rates (similar to BTT), I believe that it would attract quality members and that they would probably get quality campaigns.
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I noticed some famous faces, who are the most active in the gambling board on Btt. Why don't any of them start gambling topics, or contests similar to those on Btt?
If you want to attract casinos to be present here and possibly contribute to the promotion, a certain user base must be created.
Although honestly, is it necessary to turn another crypto forum into a gambling forum?
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IMO, it's quite early to tell and I tend to agree with what yahoo said.
Lack of traffic might be the reason, look at the Gambling & Crypto casino board (9 pages) and the child board gambling discussion (7 pages). As we can see, not that much if we compare it to Btt.
It might be soon when some of the managers here start introducing this forum to those gambling companies and users here also encourage to grow discussion on gambling boards.
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Campaign managers may answer this better than anyone but whoever wants to add their points are welcome!
I think the reason is that, they are getting enough results on Bitcointalk alone already that they don't bother launching a signature campaign here as well.
It would be good if those campaign managers that manages casino signature campaigns in Bitcointalk could talk to the company and ask if they want to promote it here as well. Maybe the amount of users is one reason (although we've seen a significant increase in active users). Traffic is another reason why we aren't seeing right now.
Maybe advertising here would mean losses for the company hence, they aren't trying to be promoted here. Overall, I don't think that they will really come here.
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Although honestly, is it necessary to turn another crypto forum into a gambling forum?
BTT has a very large gambling community, but I would not say that it is a gambling forum, regardless of the fact that that part of the forum is quite active. The fact is that at least a few gambling campaigns on this forum would mean a lot in the sense that it would increase the activity which, realistically speaking, had already started to decline when the number of sig campaigns was reduced.
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Although honestly, is it necessary to turn another crypto forum into a gambling forum?
BTT has a very large gambling community, but I would not say that it is a gambling forum, regardless of the fact that that part of the forum is quite active. The fact is that at least a few gambling campaigns on this forum would mean a lot in the sense that it would increase the activity which, realistically speaking, had already started to decline when the number of sig campaigns was reduced.
Apart from keeping the board/forum active casino played a huge role in bringing crypto to many users which is an undeniable fact. Because it is one of the sector where people actually use crypto as payment which is what supposed to be the whole concept of cryptocurrency, right?
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Apart from keeping the board/forum active casino played a huge role in bringing crypto to many users which is an undeniable fact. Because it is one of the sector where people actually use crypto as payment which is what supposed to be the whole concept of cryptocurrency, right?
You're right there, if we look at everything else, it's still mostly about investments - online gambling is perhaps the one that "used" cryptocurrencies the most, so to speak. Perhaps this is one of the reasons why coins from online casinos are mostly classified in practically the same category as mixers. Bitcoin as an investment today is almost no problem in most democratic countries, but as a currency it has big problems.
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BTT has a very large gambling community, but I would not say that it is a gambling forum, regardless of the fact that that part of the forum is quite active.
I think that approximately 50% of the activity on BTT is carried out by the gambling section. In the end, there are 20 gambling signature campaigns and only one that is not from the gambling industry.
The fact is that at least a few gambling campaigns on this forum would mean a lot in the sense that it would increase the activity which, realistically speaking, had already started to decline when the number of sig campaigns was reduced.
With $300 per week, the casino here can get 10 users in the campaign. Almost enough to dominate the forum, at least as far as gamblers are concerned
That's only enough for 3 slightly better posters on BTT.
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IMO, it's quite early to tell and I tend to agree with what yahoo said.
Lack of traffic might be the reason, look at the Gambling & Crypto casino board (9 pages) and the child board gambling discussion (7 pages). As we can see, not that much if we compare it to Btt.
It might be soon when some of the managers here start introducing this forum to those gambling companies and users here also encourage to grow discussion on gambling boards.
well at least now that there is many account migrated/teleported that those section is now running active
comparing when before the mass teleportation happened that the section you mentioned seems like abandoned
threads so now we are seeing more mature sections in gambling discussion and hopefully in the coming months
this will be filled with ANN Thread that will make gambling enthusiast entering this forum.
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hopefully in the coming months
this will be filled with ANN Thread that will make gambling enthusiast entering this forum.
Gambling enthusiasts or those who leech gambling advertising funds by posting useless posts on the forum? I see a lot of such users on BTT, who only post on gambling section to fill those "10 gambling post weekly quota" with the same information over and over again. Dont chase losses, be responsible gambler, gambling causes addiction and etc. Or fill gambling section with useless question like "how much should I bet?" "is <insert altcoin name> good for betting and etc". As well as those who login, make weekly post quota in 3-4 days and disappear from the forum or never reply to reply on their post.
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BTT has a very large gambling community, but I would not say that it is a gambling forum, regardless of the fact that that part of the forum is quite active.
I think that approximately 50% of the activity on BTT is carried out by the gambling section. In the end, there are 20 gambling signature campaigns and only one that is not from the gambling industry.
It is true that gambling campaigns dominate BTT, but there are still quality discussions in other parts of the forum. What is positive is that not all managers require a certain number of posts in Gambling boards, so there is much more freedom, at least as far as that is concerned.
The fact is that at least a few gambling campaigns on this forum would mean a lot in the sense that it would increase the activity which, realistically speaking, had already started to decline when the number of sig campaigns was reduced.
With $300 per week, the casino here can get 10 users in the campaign. Almost enough to dominate the forum, at least as far as gamblers are concerned
That's only enough for 3 slightly better posters on BTT.
My personal opinion is that campaigns should not go with such low pay rates, because it will not attract quality posters. Of course, some at BTT also have the criterion that quantity plays a more decisive role than quality, but I would not agree with that.
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With $300 per week, the casino here can get 10 users in the campaign. Almost enough to dominate the forum, at least as far as gamblers are concerned
I agree, here a casino can have 10 or even more than 10 active members in a campaign for just $300 per week. There are so many members who still want to be part of signature campaigns and they agree to be part of a campaign for $30 per week without any issue.
Most of the campaigns pay with those rates, I believe that even if they pay $25 per week still many members will eagerly join those campaigns without any hesitation.
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I agree, here a casino can have 10 or even more than 10 active members in a campaign for just $300 per week. There are so many members who still want to be part of signature campaigns and they agree to be part of a campaign for $30 per week without any issue.
Most of the campaigns pay with those rates, I believe that even if they pay $25 per week still many members will eagerly join those campaigns without any hesitation.
I already said here, it is necessary to create a database of gambling users, to have some constructive discussions about it. Some of the successful ideas from Btt can be used. This will certainly open up more chances for casinos to come here as well. They will certainly not be attracted by the user's wish to receive compensation for space in their signature.
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I think the reason is that, they are getting enough results on Bitcointalk alone already that they don't bother launching a signature campaign here as well.
It would be good if those campaign managers that manages casino signature campaigns in Bitcointalk could talk to the company and ask if they want to promote it here as well. Maybe the amount of users is one reason (although we've seen a significant increase in active users). Traffic is another reason why we aren't seeing right now.
Maybe advertising here would mean losses for the company hence, they aren't trying to be promoted here. Overall, I don't think that they will really come here.
I don't think companies don't advertise on this forum for fear of suffering financial losses. Keep in mind that prices can be adjusted, like signature campaigns for example, and that advertising in the forum is done through bidding, so there are no agreed or minimum prices. I still think what's stopping these companies from advertising here is traffic, but I could be wrong and they may not be interested for other reasons.
If you want fresh information about advertising in this forum you can visit this post: Advertise on this forum - Bidding for - May 2024 (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=320693).
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With $300 per week, the casino here can get 10 users in the campaign. Almost enough to dominate the forum, at least as far as gamblers are concerned
That's only enough for 3 slightly better posters on BTT.
My personal opinion is that campaigns should not go with such low pay rates, because it will not attract quality posters. Of course, some at BTT also have the criterion that quantity plays a more decisive role than quality, but I would not agree with that.
Indeed for low payment quality poster might dont want to join, but as we see it today, with little amount of signature campaigns, a lot of quality posters have empty signature spaces. As well as gambling sections lacks topics in general. So for now, any close to average content would be ok. On the other hand, campaigns have always bounty managers and I believe that they wont let any shit poster to sneak into campaign. Low quality poster can always be replaced in a week with another candidate.
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Some of the successful ideas from Btt can be used. This will certainly open up more chances for casinos to come here as well.
Nice to hear that, I believe you should share those ideas here so the admin/moderators/president could consider those and such ideas might help the forum to have more signature campaigns, specifically the gambling ones.
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Indeed for low payment quality poster might dont want to join, but as we see it today, with little amount of signature campaigns, a lot of quality posters have empty signature spaces. As well as gambling sections lacks topics in general. So for now, any close to average content would be ok. On the other hand, campaigns have always bounty managers and I believe that they wont let any shit poster to sneak into campaign. Low quality poster can always be replaced in a week with another candidate.
Sometimes those who run campaigns don't have too many choices and have to accept lower quality posters, I see them every day on BTT writing meaningless posts and they get paid for it. If you want quality and constructive discussions, you have to raise the bar to the highest possible level and the results will not fail.
With low pay rates, you can change all campaign participants every week, but you will still have poorly motivated or bad posters.
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With low pay rates, you can change all campaign participants every week, but you will still have poorly motivated or bad posters.
Yes, that's very true, low pay rates can allow a campaign manager to change participants and accept the ones who are happy to accept low pay rates but the ones who accept low pay rates will most probably have low level of motivation and they may also not be good level posters.
That's why I believe the pay rates shouldn't be decreased to the extent that good members would avoid being part of the campaigns which will ultimately decrease the number of good posters on forum and that's not a good thing at all.
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Whoever thinks that budget is the reason for casinos to come then you are wrong, they are simply raining thousands of dollars on free giveaways so it's not a problem at all for a casino with a decent user base.
So thus conclude that this is something to do with the traffic related to gamblers traffic here.
We might need to increase the quality of the gambling board of this forum.
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Some of the successful ideas from Btt can be used. This will certainly open up more chances for casinos to come here as well.
Nice to hear that, I believe you should share those ideas here so the admin/moderators/president could consider those and such ideas might help the forum to have more signature campaigns, specifically the gambling ones.
You didn't understand what I wrote, did you?
I repeat, there are good ideas on Btt that could be transferred here, or at least something similar. Various competitions, contests, etc... Those who are active in the gambling section know that.
All to increase the quality and activity of the gambling section on this forum
We might need to increase the quality of the gambling board of this forum.
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I repeat, there are good ideas on Btt that could be transferred here, or at least something similar. Various competitions, contests, etc..
That's what I asked for, and I believe those ideas would be quite helpful without any doubt. Yes, I'm active on Bitcointalk gambling board and I even participate in those contests myself.
But, on this forum casinos aren't as active as they are on Bitcointalk, and those contests can be only possible if casinos get interested in this forum as well.
None of the current campaigns on this forum are of casinos. Some of the campaign managers successfully moved some casino campaigns on this forum but all of those are inactive currently.
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That's what I asked for, and I believe those ideas would be quite helpful without any doubt. Yes, I'm active on Bitcointalk gambling board and I even participate in those contests myself.
You said earlier that I should present ideas and propose them to the administrators. I say that users should take the initiative, and there are plenty of ideas, many with Btt can be used here as well.
But, on this forum casinos aren't as active as they are on Bitcointalk, and those contests can be only possible if casinos get interested in this forum as well.
None of the current campaigns on this forum are of casinos. Some of the campaign managers successfully moved some casino campaigns on this forum but all of those are inactive currently.
Once again, you should not wait for a casino to come here, but create a place where it will be attractive for them to come. No one, regardless, of the casino or some other type of business, will come here just because users want more campaigns and payment for writing.
For example, why don't we have threads here that will be regularly moderated and where current casino promotions will be written about? Every casino has at least one promotion per week.
Why is there not a single thread that will offer feedback on currently reliable and reputable casinos? It could certainly help
If they were to be realized and gather a certain number of users, I am quite sure that it is a matter of time when some casino will come to stand out through promotion.
If you are active in the gambling section on Btt as you say, starting similar discussions should not be a problem. So, don't wait for the admin to bring you a casino signature campaign, but try to make an interesting place for them. This is the essence of a quality forum.
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hopefully in the coming months
this will be filled with ANN Thread that will make gambling enthusiast entering this forum.
Gambling enthusiasts or those who leech gambling advertising funds by posting useless posts on the forum? I see a lot of such users on BTT, who only post on gambling section to fill those "10 gambling post weekly quota" with the same information over and over again. Dont chase losses, be responsible gambler, gambling causes addiction and etc. Or fill gambling section with useless question like "how much should I bet?" "is <insert altcoin name> good for betting and etc". As well as those who login, make weekly post quota in 3-4 days and disappear from the forum or never reply to reply on their post.
its the traffic that is why each forum goes successful , imagine a forum that will only post very informative ? how much traffic do you think will it gather? remember that every account that has their signature in their banner are there to be paid because if they just wanted to share information completely there is no need for them to promote each casinos.
and also let the admin decide what is good or bad for the forum , let us report if we believe the posts are not helpful or completely spam mate, we are here to also help the admins and the forum.