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Title: Shill for SwapGate with multiple (4) alt accounts
Post by: examplens on May 09, 2024, 02:06:26 PM
Here is another service that thought that the right way to gain trust is by leaving fake feedback and discussions
Quite obviously, all registered in a very short period.


Topic: [ANN] SwapGate | Efficient Cryptocurrency Exchange (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=320927.0)
Started by Cazkys (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=profile;u=201)
UID: 201

#1
User Ridenleigh (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=profile;u=98703)
UID: 98703
Excellent exchanger, especially convenient that support many different payment systems.

#2
User SCOTEAS (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=profile;u=98704)
UID: 98704
Dear, who had problems with verification?Share how quickly it was solved? Or is there no verification at all?

#3
User Leoderic (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=profile;u=98706)
UID: 98706
I prefer to use other services, but this one seemed very promising, maybe I should pay attention to it or wait.

#4
User Hamimat (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=profile;u=98711)
UID: 98711

Yeah well, the swap already looks good, but of course I think it will be better in the future.


I have already exposed a similar case (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=320927.0), now I am not sure if these accounts are sanctioned, but as far as I can see, the posts are not deleted.

Also, if this is not a proper subboard, I ask the admin to move it and possibly inform me where is a suitable place for such things so that I know for the future.
Title: Re: Shill for SwapGate with multiple (4) alt accounts
Post by: SamReomo on May 12, 2024, 04:45:03 PM
Great job buddy, those guys often shit their announcement thread with alt accounts to get some attention but they don't understand that newbie accounts aren't trusted by anyone and even if the continue shilling the thread it won't give them desired results.
Title: Re: Shill for SwapGate with multiple (4) alt accounts
Post by: examplens on May 12, 2024, 05:33:07 PM
Great job buddy, those guys often shit their announcement thread with alt accounts to get some attention but they don't understand that newbie accounts aren't trusted by anyone and even if the continue shilling the thread it won't give them desired results.
It's probably an old technique to use the SEO power of the host (forum in this case) as a result when someone searches for a certain service and gets a lot of positive feedback. It can be difficult for someone from the outside to distinguish fake from real comments because they probably don't understand the hierarchy of the forum.
Title: Re: Shill for SwapGate with multiple (4) alt accounts
Post by: Freemind on May 12, 2024, 06:02:11 PM
I deleted posts from newly created accounts and also locked the thread. I have also warned the OP not to continue posting threads like that, I think he should already know how the forum works. If @Cazkys does the same thing again, the account will be temporarily blocked.

Thanks for the warning @examplens.

+1
Title: Re: Shill for SwapGate with multiple (4) alt accounts
Post by: bitmover on May 13, 2024, 05:11:50 PM
Great job buddy, those guys often shit their announcement thread with alt accounts to get some attention but they don't understand that newbie accounts aren't trusted by anyone and even if the continue shilling the thread it won't give them desired results.
It's probably an old technique to use the SEO power of the host (forum in this case) as a result when someone searches for a certain service and gets a lot of positive feedback. It can be difficult for someone from the outside to distinguish fake from real comments because they probably don't understand the hierarchy of the forum.

I this is not just SEO. It will also create fake reviews , giving a false authority to the service which isn't well established yet.

A good company could hire a campaign manager to properly handle the community
Title: Re: Shill for SwapGate with multiple (4) alt accounts
Post by: examplens on May 13, 2024, 10:58:03 PM
I deleted posts from newly created accounts and also locked the thread. I have also warned the OP not to continue posting threads like that, I think he should already know how the forum works. If @Cazkys does the same thing again, the account will be temporarily blocked.

Thanks for the warning @examplens.

+1

thanks for your reaction.

Freemind, if you have time, look at this case from earlier.
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=318220.msg1504591#msg1504591
A similar thing, as far as I can see, they have stopped shilling. If nothing, move it to the proper board or delete spam posts.

Maybe it doesn't matter because some time has already passed, but in the future, if spammers know how such spam is treated here, they will probably give up this kind of practice over time.
Title: Re: Shill for SwapGate with multiple (4) alt accounts
Post by: yahoo62278 on May 13, 2024, 11:11:32 PM
Great job buddy, those guys often shit their announcement thread with alt accounts to get some attention but they don't understand that newbie accounts aren't trusted by anyone and even if the continue shilling the thread it won't give them desired results.
It's probably an old technique to use the SEO power of the host (forum in this case) as a result when someone searches for a certain service and gets a lot of positive feedback. It can be difficult for someone from the outside to distinguish fake from real comments because they probably don't understand the hierarchy of the forum.

I this is not just SEO. It will also create fake reviews , giving a false authority to the service which isn't well established yet.

A good company could hire a campaign manager to properly handle the community
Campaign manager is 1 route to go, but the company could also do a review campaign. A manager can help with that as well, but isn't always needed. Companies can research and do this on their own if they have a little sense.
Title: Re: Shill for SwapGate with multiple (4) alt accounts
Post by: bitmover on May 14, 2024, 01:10:11 AM
Campaign manager is 1 route to go, but the company could also do a review campaign. A manager can help with that as well, but isn't always needed. Companies can research and do this on their own if they have a little sense.

I like reviews campaigns. I have participated in many of them, and sometimes I continue to use the service afterwards
Title: Re: Shill for SwapGate with multiple (4) alt accounts
Post by: Igebotz on May 14, 2024, 11:43:31 AM
Campaign manager is 1 route to go, but the company could also do a review campaign. A manager can help with that as well, but isn't always needed. Companies can research and do this on their own if they have a little sense.

I like reviews campaigns. I have participated in many of them, and sometimes I continue to use the service afterwards

Projects only pays for positive reviews, which is why they rarely assign this work to a reputable campaign manager who will pay for honest ratings (poor or good). I've been offered services like this twice this year from two dubious India-based casinos (which I won't name) to get 100 Indians to leave positive reviews on Google Rate and Trustpilot for $8 each. With instructions to only pay for 5 star reviews. I had to turn it down.

I can easily convince hundreds of Indians to fool millions of Indians, but for what purpose?

Accounts participating in self -shilling should be banned and burn down to the ground.
Title: Re: Shill for SwapGate with multiple (4) alt accounts
Post by: SamReomo on May 14, 2024, 04:52:32 PM
Campaign manager is 1 route to go, but the company could also do a review campaign.
Yes, I believe a review campaign could be very helpful for a platform. With a review campaign a platform gets good attention and people know better about it when they read those reviews.
Title: Re: Shill for SwapGate with multiple (4) alt accounts
Post by: bitmover on May 14, 2024, 06:10:43 PM
Campaign manager is 1 route to go, but the company could also do a review campaign. A manager can help with that as well, but isn't always needed. Companies can research and do this on their own if they have a little sense.

I like reviews campaigns. I have participated in many of them, and sometimes I continue to use the service afterwards

Projects only pays for positive reviews, which is why they rarely assign this work to a reputable campaign manager who will pay for honest ratings (poor or good). .

I have made dozens of reviews in bitcointalk. They always paid me correctly, and there wasn't an "positive review' obligation.

I think most services even like when you govee constructive feedback, as they can improve.
Title: Re: Shill for SwapGate with multiple (4) alt accounts
Post by: Igebotz on May 14, 2024, 07:06:31 PM
I have made dozens of reviews in bitcointalk. They always paid me correctly, and there wasn't an "positive review' obligation.

I think most services even like when you govee constructive feedback, as they can improve.

Reputable  projects on Bitcointalk always try to play within the rules , I've written reviews for couple of projects and got paid wether good or bad but there are desperate projects out there only seeking for positive review and that's always a red flag for me.

Utopia project on BTT did something similar recently - paid bunch of members $6 to leave a positive review on their app on Google store to mislead potential honest customers.
Title: Re: Shill for SwapGate with multiple (4) alt accounts
Post by: examplens on May 15, 2024, 01:26:51 AM
Utopia project on BTT did something similar recently - paid bunch of members $6 to leave a positive review on their app on Google store to mislead potential honest customers.
It's okay if the project financially stimulates people to test the product and write a short summary. That's ok as long as they do it with different independent users. They can always refuse to pay for an obviously fake review.

It is something completely different when one person sits down and creates several new accounts and has a discussion with himself, creating the appearance of greater activity and interest in a project/product.
Title: Re: Shill for SwapGate with multiple (4) alt accounts
Post by: hair on May 15, 2024, 08:41:36 AM
maybe we can add to group, so every post will moderate but the problem is they will make another account ;D
Title: Re: Shill for SwapGate with multiple (4) alt accounts
Post by: Freemind on May 15, 2024, 08:13:50 PM
maybe we can add to group, so every post will moderate but the problem is they will make another account ;D

That wouldn't help much, as you already know new accounts would be created to continue with their nonsense, unfortunately, they don't realize how useless it is because their posts will be deleted. What is more effective is to lock the thread and give the OP a chance to reopen it after a simple PM, although it is something that never happens, since the OP doesn't care about the thread at all. In any case, if that user does the same thing again, they will have one last step to have their account blocked.
Title: Re: Shill for SwapGate with multiple (4) alt accounts
Post by: examplens on May 15, 2024, 08:17:28 PM
maybe we can add to group, so every post will moderate but the problem is they will make another account ;D

That wouldn't help much, as you already know new accounts would be created to continue with their nonsense, unfortunately, they don't realize how useless it is because their posts will be deleted. What is more effective is to lock the thread and give the OP a chance to reopen it after a simple PM, although it is something that never happens, since the OP doesn't care about the thread at all. In any case, if that user does the same thing again, they will have one last step to have their account blocked.
It wouldn't be bad to have a specific tag/badge for such accounts, that would probably end their shill journey on the forum.
As for the creation of new accounts and the movement from the beginning, they are quite easy to recognize, and it is honestly not a big job for me to expose them and present them here.
Title: Re: Shill for SwapGate with multiple (4) alt accounts
Post by: Freemind on May 16, 2024, 06:30:20 PM
It wouldn't be bad to have a specific tag/badge for such accounts, that would probably end their shill journey on the forum.
As for the creation of new accounts and the movement from the beginning, they are quite easy to recognize, and it is honestly not a big job for me to expose them and present them here.

That badge already exists: (https://i.ibb.co/WnwTXnJ/shill.png) (https://imgbb.com/). From now on I will give it to users who have the same behavior.

I know accounts like that are easy to identify, that's not the problem. The problem could be the number of accounts. Although by acting quickly we can always avoid a greater workload.

Title: Re: Shill for SwapGate with multiple (4) alt accounts
Post by: Igebotz on May 16, 2024, 07:08:16 PM
Utopia project on BTT did something similar recently - paid bunch of members $6 to leave a positive review on their app on Google store to mislead potential honest customers.
It's okay if the project financially stimulates people to test the product and write a short summary. That's ok as long as they do it with different independent users. They can always refuse to pay for an obviously fake review.

It is something completely different when one person sits down and creates several new accounts and has a discussion with himself, creating the appearance of greater activity and interest in a project/product.

No, Utopia only pays for positive ratings and reviews on its new Android app. It's no different than making numerous accounts to shill your product; the only reason Utopia is recruiting random users is that Google discourages using multiple IP addresses for rating.

Only scammers pay for inorganic positive feedbacks in attempt to rug pull.

maybe we can add to group, so every post will moderate but the problem is they will make another account ;D

Rinse and repeat...