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Title: Joinmarket.net (discussion) experience?
Post by: examplens on May 18, 2024, 02:20:26 PM
Does anyone have personal experience with Joinmarket or at least experience from a reliable source?

After the departure of Samurai and Wasabi wallets from the Coinjoin feature, Joinmarket seems to be the only remaining "free" option.

I would like to get feedback from someone who has used JM. How safe and effective is it in general?
What are the pros and cons here?
Is there a risk here and can developers be prosecuted by the feds?
Title: Re: Joinmarket.net (discussion) experience?
Post by: SamReomo on May 19, 2024, 10:39:15 PM
I haven't used Joinmarket.net personally but I can surely say that you should be careful from it because it's not worth it to go after a platforms whose domain name isn't a good one. I would never go for that one even if it become the last option for us.
Title: Re: Joinmarket.net (discussion) experience?
Post by: examplens on May 19, 2024, 11:16:54 PM
I haven't used Joinmarket.net personally but I can surely say that you should be careful from it because it's not worth it to go after a platforms whose domain name isn't a good one. I would never go for that one even if it become the last option for us.

Have you ever heard of Joinmarket until now?
Why do you think that Joinmarket.net is a bad domain and how exactly does it have a bad effect on the seriousness of the project?
Do you know that Joinmarket was first mentioned on bitcointalk in 2015? 9 years ago. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=919116.msg10096563

I opened this topic to maybe start a discussion and get some personal experiences if possible. Guessing and wrong assumptions are certainly not helpful.
Title: Re: Joinmarket.net (discussion) experience?
Post by: MrSpasybo on May 21, 2024, 01:42:13 AM
Does anyone have personal experience with Joinmarket or at least experience from a reliable source?

After the departure of Samurai and Wasabi wallets from the Coinjoin feature, Joinmarket seems to be the only remaining "free" option.

I would like to get feedback from someone who has used JM. How safe and effective is it in general?
What are the pros and cons here?
Is there a risk here and can developers be prosecuted by the feds?
Unfortunately, I have never used Joinmarket and therefore do not have any reviews of the features or reputation of the service it provides. I am only curious about the reasons why users continue to choose and use Joinmarket despite knowing that it is at risk of being charged and investigated in the US in the future.

Samurai and Wasabi have abandoned users in the US crypto market, I think Joinmarket may also be able to take similar actions. At present, I cannot access joinmarket.net and only receive the message "This account has been suspended". I am not sure what happened to this service 8)
Title: Re: Joinmarket.net (discussion) experience?
Post by: examplens on May 21, 2024, 02:05:25 AM
Samurai and Wasabi have abandoned users in the US crypto market,

Samurai is seized and developers are arrested, while Wasabi disables the Coinjoin feature. They didn't abandon anyone, they were pressured by the US government.

At present, I cannot access joinmarket.net and only receive the message "This account has been suspended". I am not sure what happened to this service 8)

Now it is also unavailable for me, strange. There is another message that the server is overused or the allowed limit has been exceeded. I hope that's the only issue because at some point the site will be available again
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Either the domain has been overused, or the reseller ran out of resources.
Title: Re: Joinmarket.net (discussion) experience?
Post by: dkbit98 on May 21, 2024, 11:26:24 PM
Does anyone have personal experience with Joinmarket or at least experience from a reliable source?
I never used Joinmarket but I researched it and I know that jamapp.org is the best modern graphical interface if you want to try it.
One thing that put me of from testing it is the fact that fees can be significantly higher that using traditional coinjoin or centralized mixers, especially when mempool is full.
Risks are smaller with using Joinmarket, so there are pros and cons.
 
Title: Re: Joinmarket.net (discussion) experience?
Post by: Captain Corporate on May 22, 2024, 01:40:08 AM
I just checked their website, for some reason it says account suspended, this is the very first time I am trying to check and I do not have any VPN on, so it is weird to be already banned even before I have ever visited the website. That alone should raise some serious red flags for anyone who wants to use it. Secondly, I went and checked their twitter, and there is nearly zero interest to it, sure the yare not active but you could defend that by saying you do not have to be active on twitter to be a good business, which is right, but if nobody n twitter cares for you and has a community to back you up, then yeah that is not a good look at all.
Title: Re: Joinmarket.net (discussion) experience?
Post by: ABCbits on May 22, 2024, 10:35:25 AM
Does anyone have personal experience with Joinmarket or at least experience from a reliable source?

I can't access the website, so i assume you're talking about this JoinMarket https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket-clientserver (https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket-clientserver). Personally i haven't tried it yet, since it's not very user-friendly. It also require you to run full node, so i expect almost none of us actually have actual experience with it.

After the departure of Samurai and Wasabi wallets from the Coinjoin feature, Joinmarket seems to be the only remaining "free" option.

You might want to https://joinstr.xyz/ (https://joinstr.xyz/), although it's still in development and not ready for mainnet.
Title: Re: Joinmarket.net (discussion) experience?
Post by: TomPluz on May 22, 2024, 11:07:47 AM
I would like to get feedback from someone who has used JM. How safe and effective is it in general? What are the pros and cons here? Is there a risk here and can developers be prosecuted by the feds?

Actually, just like many of us here in this forum, this can be my first time to hear on Joinmarket.net and when i tried to access the site it is already suspended which is a red flag for the said platform as it can already be bankrupt therefore we have to stay away from it. Since it belongs to the same category with Samurai and Wasabi wallets, the more we should say NO with that. Now, of course, this is just now an academic discussion since the site is not anymore functioning but in case it can be back we should be warning people - especially newbies - about it. There is always that big risk when we are using a tool that the government don't find to be legit and above board, no matter if we agree or disagree.



Title: Re: Joinmarket.net (discussion) experience?
Post by: hugeblack on May 22, 2024, 08:04:12 PM

The first time I tried it was after mixing campaigns were banned in BTT, and through experience I can say that it is not Windows Friendly, as installation is not as simple as downloading the file and clicking on install.
For Linux, it is much easier, but I prefer JoininBox
For the average user, I think that using mixers or non-KYC BTC --> Monero --> BTC is much easier, so all the demand for privacy will go to these services.


Jam[1] is considered more user-friendliness and ease-of-use, but I did not use it.


[1] https://github.com/joinmarket-webui/jam
Title: Re: Joinmarket.net (discussion) experience?
Post by: NotATether on May 23, 2024, 12:59:09 PM
Actually, just like many of us here in this forum, this can be my first time to hear on Joinmarket.net and when i tried to access the site it is already suspended which is a red flag for the said platform as it can already be bankrupt therefore we have to stay away from it. Since it belongs to the same category with Samurai and Wasabi wallets, the more we should say NO with that. Now, of course, this is just now an academic discussion since the site is not anymore functioning but in case it can be back we should be warning people - especially newbies - about it. There is always that big risk when we are using a tool that the government don't find to be legit and above board, no matter if we agree or disagree.

Are you serious...

JoinMarket's website suddenly going offline fits a pattern of crypto privacy services suddenly going under in suspicious circumstances.

Although the JoinMarket project itself is open source and still appears to be running on Github https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket-clientserver and it even has recent commits as in the last few days.

I don't think JoinMarket has anything to worry about, although the website itself going down is annoying, because it was just an informational resource.
Title: Re: Joinmarket.net (discussion) experience?
Post by: examplens on May 23, 2024, 01:26:25 PM
I don't think JoinMarket has anything to worry about, although the website itself going down is annoying, because it was just an informational resource.

This is the hosting message, (powered by DirectAdmin).
The two most likely scenarios are either a DDoS attack that has drained bandwidth or a sudden excessive interest in the site. It will probably be back online from June 1st.

Title: Re: Joinmarket.net (discussion) experience?
Post by: NotATether on May 23, 2024, 03:27:06 PM
This is the hosting message, (powered by DirectAdmin).
The two most likely scenarios are either a DDoS attack that has drained bandwidth or a sudden excessive interest in the site. It will probably be back online from June 1st.

If it's an application-level DDoS, it can be fixed with Cloudflare.

As much as I don't like Cloudflare, it is necessary in order to stop these kind of DDoS, which usually happen random and indiscriminately.

I wonder why people even bother wasting their botnet's resources in order to take down what amounts to basically the whole internet. Don't they have anything better to do?
Title: Re: Joinmarket.net (discussion) experience?
Post by: examplens on May 23, 2024, 11:58:49 PM
If it's an application-level DDoS, it can be fixed with Cloudflare.

As much as I don't like Cloudflare, it is necessary in order to stop these kind of DDoS, which usually happen random and indiscriminately.

I believe that whoever manages it did not want to connect with Cloudflare or any third-party service, the reason is probably privacy. It is possible that he did not even expect that joinmarket.net would be attractive for DDoS ​​attacks

I wonder why people even bother wasting their botnet's resources in order to take down what amounts to basically the whole internet. Don't they have anything better to do?

Maybe it's just testing by the bot creator.

Certainly, the graph from Similarweb shows that there is a sudden increase in visits to the site

(https://talkimg.com/images/2024/05/23/La5yq.png)
Title: Re: Joinmarket.net (discussion) experience?
Post by: bitterguy28 on May 24, 2024, 02:36:32 AM
Does anyone have personal experience with Joinmarket or at least experience from a reliable source?
Nope just now that i Heard this site , but will take a look at this later.

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After the departure of Samurai and Wasabi wallets from the Coinjoin feature, Joinmarket seems to be the only remaining "free" option.
well if those big wallets have been troubled so what more this smaller one? i think we must consider other options that just relying our funds in questionable matter.
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I would like to get feedback from someone who has used JM. How safe and effective is it in general?
What are the pros and cons here?
Is there a risk here and can developers be prosecuted by the feds?
will be adding this to my watch thread to learn more about JM because if this is something that truly reliable then I may consider using at least .
Title: Re: Joinmarket.net (discussion) experience?
Post by: 0t3p0t on May 24, 2024, 08:39:55 PM
I never used this one too but I am watching this thread to get feedbacks and personal experiences from users as this is my first time hearing such domain name ever since I came into crypto.
Title: Re: Joinmarket.net (discussion) experience?
Post by: dkbit98 on May 24, 2024, 08:49:54 PM
I don't think JoinMarket has anything to worry about, although the website itself going down is annoying, because it was just an informational resource.
I think it will become more popular in future, but don't expect low fees for that.
It would be interesting to see if someone is going to advertise Joinmarket more, maybe even in forum campaigns, and how would that affecti new bitcointalk rules.
Joinmarket is not coinjoin and it's not centralized, so it theory it should be allowed service.

Certainly, the graph from Similarweb shows that there is a sudden increase in visits to the site
That is a huge jump, something must be cooking behind the scenes ;)
Title: Re: Joinmarket.net (discussion) experience?
Post by: Faisal2202 on May 25, 2024, 05:53:26 AM
I haven't used Joinmarket.net personally but I can surely say that you should be careful from it because it's not worth it to go after a platforms whose domain name isn't a good one. I would never go for that one even if it become the last option for us.
We should not judge a book by its cover, and I don't find anything unusual in the domain name. Although it's but unsophisticated for a wallet with conjoin function in it. If that's what OP is seeking. Besides I did not find any good link to the site, all I find leads to a dead page, where this domain name exists but the content is not. I suppose OP heard of it from Reddit.

Hey OP can you provide a link, so we can search a little more about it, speaking of a wallet with a conjoin feature free from the feds, I think not a single wallet is save from the prosecution by the feds now. If there is any they are going after it. Well, I read some posts, and find out that its a GitHub directory, well, most people won't use it then, they want a sophisticated and easy to install program, they don't want to use a program hard to install and understand. They think of it as scam.
Title: Re: Joinmarket.net (discussion) experience?
Post by: examplens on May 25, 2024, 01:16:51 PM
We should not judge a book by its cover, and I don't find anything unusual in the domain name. Although it's but unsophisticated for a wallet with conjoin function in it. If that's what OP is seeking. Besides I did not find any good link to the site, all I find leads to a dead page, where this domain name exists but the content is not. I suppose OP heard of it from Reddit.

Hey OP can you provide a link, so we can search a little more about it, speaking of a wallet with a conjoin feature free from the feds, I think not a single wallet is save from the prosecution by the feds now. If there is any they are going after it. Well, I read some posts, and find out that its a GitHub directory, well, most people won't use it then, they want a sophisticated and easy to install program, they don't want to use a program hard to install and understand. They think of it as scam.

You can find it on the original site using Webarchive from the last known online date (May 15. '24) https://web.archive.org/web/20240515010827/https://joinmarket.net/

No, I haven't heard from Reddit about this.
GitHub is a reliable source and the fact that something is not easy to install does not mean that it is a scam. (Scams are usually very easy to install). Delete such attitude from memory  ;)

You can find more about CoinJoin here https://www.coinjoins.org/ as well as some more important links on that topic, including Joinmarket.
Title: Re: Joinmarket.net (discussion) experience?
Post by: Faisal2202 on May 25, 2024, 06:49:07 PM
You can find it on the original site using Webarchive from the last known online date (May 15. '24) https://web.archive.org/web/20240515010827/https://joinmarket.net/

No, I haven't heard from Reddit about this.
GitHub is a reliable source and the fact that something is not easy to install does not mean that it is a scam. (Scams are usually very easy to install). Delete such attitude from memory  ;)

You can find more about CoinJoin here https://www.coinjoins.org/ as well as some more important links on that topic, including Joinmarket.
I don't have this attitude as I have experienced things of how new people expect things to be, and how they will like it, that's why I said the platform should be a little easy to approach otherwise they will use an excuse of scam and will leave it, while an educated person knows code and how to confirm the code, can easily confirm how and if its safe to perform an action in it or not. Yeah I got the fact that you did not hear about it from Reddit when I read some replies later.

Someone has shared a thread made on Joinmarket here as well, I was actually trying to say, for a successful journey of this platform, it have to make a good UI like many other mixers, wallets etc. So that more people could use it and more money could flow from it. As more money flowing means more anonymity or is'nt.