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Crypto Discussion Forum => Cryptocurrency discussions => Topic started by: NotATether on May 23, 2024, 02:06:49 PM
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Windows is the most used desktop operating system by a large margin.
It also has the most malware of all platforms.
That's because it's been around for decades, and similarly viruses for it have also been around and working for decades as well because each Windows version is backwards-compatible with previous versions.
This means that viruses can easily be used to infect newer systems even as Microsoft pumps hotfix after hotfix.
What this means for you, is that most of these malware will contain crypto-stealers. You don't want one of those on your computer.
It is better to use Mac OS or Linux instead of Windows if you have any wallets.
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Windows is the most used desktop operating system by a large margin.
It also has the most malware of all platforms.
That's because it's been around for decades, and similarly viruses for it have also been around and working for decades as well because each Windows version is backwards-compatible with previous versions.
This means that viruses can easily be used to infect newer systems even as Microsoft pumps hotfix after hotfix.
What this means for you, is that most of these malware will contain crypto-stealers. You don't want one of those on your computer.
It is better to use Mac OS or Linux instead of Windows if you have any wallets.
Thanks for the information, what I want to ask is that does this malwares with crypto stealers also in the old windows because I have an old windows laptop that I am using, or it is only to new window computers in the market. So that I can know what to do next, because I have my wallet on my laptop.
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Always thought that it does not matter which operation system, antivirus or wallet user uses, because he gets hacked not based on what has chosen, but based on what he did. Even if user has super protection system, one reckless click can change everything. I think it is enough to follow security measurements and be cautious, to safely store crypto. As nobody will hack you unless someone find out you have funds.
I have both MacOS and Windows systems. Access wallets from both systems, but lost funds due to wallet hack because I did not pay attention where I go in the internet and what info I copy or connect to.
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Always thought that it does not matter which operation system, antivirus or wallet user uses, because he gets hacked not based on what has chosen, but based on what he did. Even if user has super protection system, one reckless click can change everything. I think it is enough to follow security measurements and be cautious, to safely store crypto. As nobody will hack you unless someone find out you have funds.
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To a large extent, I share your opinion, because most of the incidents that happen to crypto users have nothing to do with the OS they use, but with the fact that they simply make a wrong move that hackers use to empty their wallet. So let's say a part of crypto users gets "hacked" because they save their backups (seeds/private keys) in e-mail or the cloud or as an ordinary text document on the desktop.
There is no doubt that Windows is the OS that is by far the most exposed to attacks, but even if it is another OS, it still boils down to the fact that it is not recommended to store your cryptocurrencies in desktop/mobile hot wallets. It's simply too much of a risk and that's why hardware wallets exist.
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Always thought that it does not matter which operation system, antivirus or wallet user uses, because he gets hacked not based on what has chosen, but based on what he did. Even if user has super protection system, one reckless click can change everything. I think it is enough to follow security measurements and be cautious, to safely store crypto. As nobody will hack you unless someone find out you have funds.
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To a large extent, I share your opinion, because most of the incidents that happen to crypto users have nothing to do with the OS they use, but with the fact that they simply make a wrong move that hackers use to empty their wallet. So let's say a part of crypto users gets "hacked" because they save their backups (seeds/private keys) in e-mail or the cloud or as an ordinary text document on the desktop.
There is no doubt that Windows is the OS that is by far the most exposed to attacks, but even if it is another OS, it still boils down to the fact that it is not recommended to store your cryptocurrencies in desktop/mobile hot wallets. It's simply too much of a risk and that's why hardware wallets exist.
I agree with you that hardware wallets are the best to store bitcoin, but in my case I am not a rich guy that buys bitcoin with huge amount, but the bitcoin that I receive from my signature campaign is too small to send to a hardware wallet due to transaction fee in future. So what I do is to receive my coins in a hot wallet, and when it has accumulated to $500, or if transaction fee is high, when the TX is low, I do consolidate my transactions and send it to my hardware wallet. If I want to spend some bitcoin I also take from my electrum online wallet.
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I have both MacOS and Windows systems. Access wallets from both systems, but lost funds due to wallet hack because I did not pay attention where I go in the internet and what info I copy or connect to.
Sometimes this happens where my operating system is fine but I am logging into a phishing site without my knowledge. Due to carelessness, many have accepted this type of hack. We cannot hold any operating system responsible for wallet security. Here we have to be careful. However, it is certain that MacOS will provide better service than Windows operating system, especially a user can be relatively safe from the problems caused by malware.
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Windows is the most used desktop operating system by a large margin.
It also has the most malware of all platforms.
That's because it's been around for decades, and similarly viruses for it have also been around and working for decades as well because each Windows version is backwards-compatible with previous versions.
This means that viruses can easily be used to infect newer systems even as Microsoft pumps hotfix after hotfix.
What this means for you, is that most of these malware will contain crypto-stealers. You don't want one of those on your computer.
It is better to use Mac OS or Linux instead of Windows if you have any wallets.
I appreciate the fact that you take your time to update us on safety of our assets with respect to using our gadgets. I like the fact that you make out time for this and. I also believe many members here have been able to learn from you when it comes to safety and precautionary measures to follow.
But I am becoming more curious about antivirus that could be developed to prevent malwares from stealing our wallet information from our gadgets . Would this be possible to develop such antivirus specifically for wallet theft and hack detection?
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I have both MacOS and Windows systems. Access wallets from both systems, but lost funds due to wallet hack because I did not pay attention where I go in the internet and what info I copy or connect to.
Sometimes this happens where my operating system is fine but I am logging into a phishing site without my knowledge. Due to carelessness, many have accepted this type of hack. We cannot hold any operating system responsible for wallet security. Here we have to be careful. However, it is certain that MacOS will provide better service than Windows operating system, especially a user can be relatively safe from the problems caused by malware.
All these malware are harmless unless user himself click/open/run them. Nothing harmful will happen until user makes the first move. If you claim that MacOS is better in security, then why antiviruses programs arent so popular and developed as for Windows. The fame of MacOS super security is created only by large number of Windows users. Less people use MacOS, less cases of security breach. One good feature that MacOS has is a document preview when you press SPACE. That does not force to open or run a file. Just look what is in it. In general, all security problems that users have are made by themselves, not by specific OS.
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Windows is the most used desktop operating system by a large margin.
It also has the most malware of all platforms.
That's because it's been around for decades, and similarly viruses for it have also been around and working for decades as well because each Windows version is backwards-compatible with previous versions.
This means that viruses can easily be used to infect newer systems even as Microsoft pumps hotfix after hotfix.
What this means for you, is that most of these malware will contain crypto-stealers. You don't want one of those on your computer.
It is better to use Mac OS or Linux instead of Windows if you have any wallets.
When it comes to security then i do love MacOS on which this is what im using considering that when it comes to this manner then it is really that less risky but in overall its not always that recommended that you should really be that storing your private keys on your own PC no matter what the OS would be then it would really be that too risky on doing so.
It would really be better that you should be having at least airgapped device or having that hardware wallet or even writing on a piece of paper is much more safer than on storing
your PK's on your PC.
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I agree with OP but still, Windows is the most used and popular OS among internet users I still use Windows but I make sure that I am well aware of the many issues why Windows gets hacked and I implement the best security measures that I discover.
It's not the OS but more so on how you interact online and how you behave online, do not use cracked software, avois clicking links with .exe and most importantly update your machine and install the best AV in the market.
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I have both MacOS and Windows systems. Access wallets from both systems, but lost funds due to wallet hack because I did not pay attention where I go in the internet and what info I copy or connect to.
Sometimes this happens where my operating system is fine but I am logging into a phishing site without my knowledge. Due to carelessness, many have accepted this type of hack. We cannot hold any operating system responsible for wallet security. Here we have to be careful. However, it is certain that MacOS will provide better service than Windows operating system, especially a user can be relatively safe from the problems caused by malware.
All these malware are harmless unless user himself click/open/run them. Nothing harmful will happen until user makes the first move. If you claim that MacOS is better in security, then why antiviruses programs arent so popular and developed as for Windows. The fame of MacOS super security is created only by large number of Windows users. Less people use MacOS, less cases of security breach. One good feature that MacOS has is a document preview when you press SPACE. That does not force to open or run a file. Just look what is in it. In general, all security problems that users have are made by themselves, not by specific OS.
From your explanation, I understand a little about the problem of malware, so the disease will not come if we don't just click on a site.
By the way, can I be given an explanation of the characteristics if the site we click on is phishing
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I agree with you that hardware wallets are the best to store bitcoin, but in my case I am not a rich guy that buys bitcoin with huge amount, but the bitcoin that I receive from my signature campaign is too small to send to a hardware wallet due to transaction fee in future. So what I do is to receive my coins in a hot wallet, and when it has accumulated to $500, or if transaction fee is high, when the TX is low, I do consolidate my transactions and send it to my hardware wallet. If I want to spend some bitcoin I also take from my electrum online wallet.
It makes sense, as long as you consider your hot wallet safe, and as long as you can afford to lose that $500 in case something bad does happen. Given that, according to my calculation, you still need several months to collect that amount, you have nothing left but to be careful - although I see no reason why you should not receive your payments directly to the address that is part of your hardware wallet - and considering that you can have several accounts on HW, you can create one wallet only for sig campaigns, and then when a sufficient amount is collected, simply send everything to your main account.
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It is better to use Mac OS or Linux instead of Windows if you have any wallets.
I understand the motive of the post but why did you just come up with this idea, does something happen with Microsoft OS or you just don't like it, I know it is vulnerable to many viruses, but IMO we should never say other OS are not vulnerable, although they are definitely the best choice for us. Although not everyone afford Mac OS but yeah Linux can.
But most people involved in crypto are not using laptops, I know its strange, but I have seen more people involved in crypto with no desktops or laptops then those involved in crypto with smartphones. I might be wrong. BTW, I am also facing some problems with my laptop from yesterday don't know the reason, all of my browsers shuts them down automatically. Well, I thought something is happening and I am unaware of that, and this post come in front of me. looking forward to know more.
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Currently, I am using Windows OS for my laptop as it is for me the most handy and one that came with my laptop for free therefore I am more exposed to it and since I am technically-challenged guy it would be difficult for me to shift to other less popular OS as they can come with some learning curve necessary to utilize them properly. However, I am not using any wallet on my desktop because I prefer apps-based and browser-based ones. Now, with security in mind, am I safe or can there be things I need to do to make myself and my small digital assets be hidden from thieves online?
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Thanks for the information, what I want to ask is that does this malwares with crypto stealers also in the old windows because I have an old windows laptop that I am using, or it is only to new window computers in the market. So that I can know what to do next, because I have my wallet on my laptop.
The older the version of Windows you have installed on your laptop (Windows 7 was released in 2009 and Windows 10 in 2015), the greater the risk of vulnerabilities and security breaches. Windows 7 ended support on January 14, 2020, and Windows 10 will end support on July 29, 2025. In fact, it's not just that Windows focuses less on security (which is also true) but the large amount of software available that is not open source, so no one can review the code.
A possible solution to this problem (at least it is what I would do) would be to make a backup copy of your wallet and install another, more configurable operating system. In my case, I have been using Unix-like systems, such as BSD and GNU/Linux, for many years. The choice is yours.
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Ever since I am jumping into crypto I haven't had used windows that long as my laptop got flooded during supertyphoon and started that day I am using Android phone alone and so far haven't had any issues aside from it being super handy and portable I personally can't complain. Anyways, thank you for bringing this here as other windows users might not know this thing it will probably help them being aware of that specific issue.
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Currently, I am using Windows OS for my laptop as it is for me the most handy and one that came with my laptop for free therefore I am more exposed to it and since I am technically-challenged guy it would be difficult for me to shift to other less popular OS as they can come with some learning curve necessary to utilize them properly. However, I am not using any wallet on my desktop because I prefer apps-based and browser-based ones. Now, with security in mind, am I safe or can there be things I need to do to make myself and my small digital assets be hidden from thieves online?
I think that crypto browser apps are an even bigger risk than desktop wallets because they are exposed to various attacks every time you are online and use a browser. Some data say that in the last 6 months, about $60 million was stolen from apps like this.
If your second choice is apps on your smartphone, then the safety of your coins depends on how you feel about downloading various apps and whether your phone receives regular security updates - one malicious app or some vulnerability in the OS can be fatal.
Maybe some tips from this article could help you raise your security to a higher level - but always be careful to install only legitimate apps, because scammers make very good copies and always try to expand them in all possible ways.
https://www.coingecko.com/learn/security-browser-extensions-crypto
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Ever since I am jumping into crypto I haven't had used windows that long as my laptop got flooded during supertyphoon and started that day I am using Android phone alone and so far haven't had any issues aside from it being super handy and portable I personally can't complain.
Does this mean you no longer have other devices to manage your crypto? I'd suggest looking for backup devices or a cold wallet if possible just because an Android phone is not a reliable long-term choice either. Just like Windows, it has been subject to many malware/virus attacks due to its popularity, not to mention it can cause privacy issues depending on how you use your phone. I believe spending a little bit of money is worth it for long-term security purposes, especially if you save a lot of crypto. CMIIW.
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What you say is absolutely correct. Several months ago, my laptop with Windows 10 installed was infected with a virus through one of the cracks, and my Electreum wallet was hacked and the Bitcoin in it was stolen.
Although there is a Windows protection program, hackers are developing their methods to avoid the already weak protection in Windows, so yes, I agree with you, it is better to move to the Linux system because it is much better protected and it contains all the basic needs that any user needs.
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What you say is absolutely correct. Several months ago, my laptop with Windows 10 installed was infected with a virus through one of the cracks, and my Electreum wallet was hacked and the Bitcoin in it was stolen.
Although there is a Windows protection program, hackers are developing their methods to avoid the already weak protection in Windows, so yes, I agree with you, it is better to move to the Linux system because it is much better protected and it contains all the basic needs that any user needs.
If investors use licensed Windows instead of cracked versions, everything will be more secure, and investors also need to avoid malicious websites. I am also a Windows user and was attacked in the bull run 2017, after which I switched to using Ubuntu to access my accounts on blockchains through wallet applications. Ubuntu's Terminal and sudo are really more secure than Windows for the purpose of protecting private keys.
One good thing is that Ubuntu is completely free, which means that users can easily install it to effectively manage their accounts instead of facing many risks through Windows 8)
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If investors use licensed Windows instead of cracked versions, everything will be more secure, and investors also need to avoid malicious websites. I am also a Windows user and was attacked in the bull run 2017, after which I switched to using Ubuntu to access my accounts on blockchains through wallet applications. Ubuntu's Terminal and sudo are really more secure than Windows for the purpose of protecting private keys.
One good thing is that Ubuntu is completely free, which means that users can easily install it to effectively manage their accounts instead of facing many risks through Windows 8)
Here lies my other problem. I live in a banned country where I cannot obtain the official licensed Windows system or even other licensed programs, so I use cracks to break the Windows system and the rest of the programs I need.
When I installed the crack, my device was infected with a virus and the wallet was hacked, so the best option is to move to Linux, where the system and programs are all open source and do not require licenses or cracks.
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If investors use licensed Windows instead of cracked versions, everything will be more secure, and investors also need to avoid malicious websites. I am also a Windows user and was attacked in the bull run 2017, after which I switched to using Ubuntu to access my accounts on blockchains through wallet applications. Ubuntu's Terminal and sudo are really more secure than Windows for the purpose of protecting private keys.
One good thing is that Ubuntu is completely free, which means that users can easily install it to effectively manage their accounts instead of facing many risks through Windows 8)
Here lies my other problem. I live in a banned country where I cannot obtain the official licensed Windows system or even other licensed programs, so I use cracks to break the Windows system and the rest of the programs I need.
When I installed the crack, my device was infected with a virus and the wallet was hacked, so the best option is to move to Linux, where the system and programs are all open source and do not require licenses or cracks.
At least for Windows, you actually you can use it without cracking or paying for the license if you don't mind persistent watermark "Activate Windows". You just need to make sure to download the installer from Microsoft website.
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At least for Windows, you actually you can use it without cracking or paying for the license if you don't mind persistent watermark "Activate Windows". You just need to make sure to download the installer from Microsoft website.
Unfortunately, many do not know this - although it seems to me that the unpaid version still has some other not so important limitations. I think I even gave advice to @yhiaali3 to look for a license on BTT (Goods board) because there some people were selling them very cheaply and of course payment is always possible in BTC or some altcoins.
I used to use pirated versions of the OS and practically all programs, but that was back when I had dial-up internet and it took me 30+ minutes for a few MB of data - and we bought pirated programs on CD/DVD. When I just remember that I picked up that damned virus that connected me to some exotic island via a telephone connection and made me "happy" on the next bill ::)
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This is a nice information but Windows OS is much more easier to use and install than others Operating Systems. In the year 2020s, there was a seminar I attended and according to the instructions from the instructor, all the participants must have a system, and normally I was not a participant, it was a cousin brother recommended me to a pastor, and he came and hired me to use my PC, and he gave me small amount of money to pay transport. And we went there. To attend the seminar we paid $50 and reaching the seminar hall, we were asked d to format or change our computer OS to Ubuntu, and that was the first time I heard about the OS. And they were the only people that had the software so foe them to do it for us, we are to pay $30 and we paid. And the installation of the Ubuntu os took 4 to 5 hours, and the system that the ram is small and slow, it took all day of 24hours. And the whole process was nonsense and finally the seminar was scattered. So now most of them to rechange the Ubuntu to Windows OS is a problem and from 2020 till now most of them are still battling to change the Ubuntu. Why I am bringing all these because the most popular Operating Systems is Windows.
But from what you are saying that is real truth because the number of viruses displaying in windows systems is alarming. If there is any other good and easy to use Operating Systems then it is better to use that. Here in Africa we use Windows 7, 8, 10, 12 and 13. And Windows XP. And from the beginning of my cryptocurrency journey I have not used computer to store my coins but phone. Linux is not popular here in my location.
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At least for Windows, you actually you can use it without cracking or paying for the license if you don't mind persistent watermark "Activate Windows". You just need to make sure to download the installer from Microsoft website.
Unfortunately, many do not know this - although it seems to me that the unpaid version still has some other not so important limitations. I think I even gave advice to @yhiaali3 to look for a license on BTT (Goods board) because there some people were selling them very cheaply and of course payment is always possible in BTC or some altcoins.
I used to use pirated versions of the OS and practically all programs, but that was back when I had dial-up internet and it took me 30+ minutes for a few MB of data - and we bought pirated programs on CD/DVD. When I just remember that I picked up that damned virus that connected me to some exotic island via a telephone connection and made me "happy" on the next bill ::)
Yes, I remember your advice, thank you.
But I would like to add here that for an unlicensed Windows system with a watermark, the problem is not only the presence of the watermark, but the main problem is that Windows updates have stopped, especially the Windows Defender update, which will make your device vulnerable to major security risks due to the update stopping.
Therefore, it is better to obtain a license or replace Windows with Linux.
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This is a nice information but Windows OS is much more easier to use and install than others Operating Systems. In the year 2020s, there was a seminar I attended and according to the instructions from the instructor, all the participants must have a system, and normally I was not a participant, it was a cousin brother recommended me to a pastor, and he came and hired me to use my PC, and he gave me small amount of money to pay transport. And we went there. To attend the seminar we paid $50 and reaching the seminar hall, we were asked d to format or change our computer OS to Ubuntu, and that was the first time I heard about the OS. And they were the only people that had the software so foe them to do it for us, we are to pay $30 and we paid. And the installation of the Ubuntu os took 4 to 5 hours, and the system that the ram is small and slow, it took all day of 24hours. And the whole process was nonsense and finally the seminar was scattered. So now most of them to rechange the Ubuntu to Windows OS is a problem and from 2020 till now most of them are still battling to change the Ubuntu. Why I am bringing all these because the most popular Operating Systems is Windows.
But from what you are saying that is real truth because the number of viruses displaying in windows systems is alarming. If there is any other good and easy to use Operating Systems then it is better to use that. Here in Africa we use Windows 7, 8, 10, 12 and 13. And Windows XP. And from the beginning of my cryptocurrency journey I have not used computer to store my coins but phone. Linux is not popular here in my location.
Sorry for that terrible experience, but it sounds like people behind that seminar is either aim to rip you off or cannot do their job properly. Ubuntu is free, so asking $30 just for installation sounds very expensive to me. And if your brother computer have small RAM, they should've install else which use less RAM.
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But I would like to add here that for an unlicensed Windows system with a watermark, the problem is not only the presence of the watermark, but the main problem is that Windows updates have stopped, especially the Windows Defender update, which will make your device vulnerable to major security risks due to the update stopping.
Therefore, it is better to obtain a license or replace Windows with Linux.
It's something i didn't know, although some discussion claim you still get critical update[1-2]. Although it's not mentioned whether all security update considered as critical or not.
[1] https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/using-an-unactivated-windows-10/d7420644-fb2d-4c19-8948-0c7199e90e35 (https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/using-an-unactivated-windows-10/d7420644-fb2d-4c19-8948-0c7199e90e35)
[2] https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/will-a-unactivated-windows-10-get-a-windows-11/1daea2da-54b0-4223-861a-2094724d732c (https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/will-a-unactivated-windows-10-get-a-windows-11/1daea2da-54b0-4223-861a-2094724d732c)
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Sorry for that terrible experience, but it sounds like people behind that seminar is either aim to rip you off or cannot do their job properly
Yah that was we noticed after the seminar. Those people we full and well prepared to scam us and they succeed. And they are not doing it alone but they used Church leaders and Pastor to execute their plans. And people would thought that the program is genuine and making to attend and they really rip us all. And the people were more than 5k that attended seminar.
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If investors use licensed Windows instead of cracked versions, everything will be more secure, and investors also need to avoid malicious websites. I am also a Windows user and was attacked in the bull run 2017, after which I switched to using Ubuntu to access my accounts on blockchains through wallet applications. Ubuntu's Terminal and sudo are really more secure than Windows for the purpose of protecting private keys.
One good thing is that Ubuntu is completely free, which means that users can easily install it to effectively manage their accounts instead of facing many risks through Windows 8)
Cracked versions of Windows are not insecure just because they probably already have malware installed, they are also insecure because it is Windows, with its good things and its bad things. I use Debian (sometimes Kali) and BSD, and I like them better than Ubuntu in terms of security. Ubuntu, from my point of view, wants to be like Windows in terms of ease of use, and that means it has too many unnecessary additions. I have never had security problems with my cryptocurrencies, that's why I've always said that the learning curve (which is really small) is worth it.
If anyone wants to know more about Linux and Bitcoin, they can take a look at a distro called BitKey: BitKey - Secure Bitcoin Swiss Army Knife (https://bitkey.io/).
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It's something i didn't know, although some discussion claim you still get critical update[1-2]. Although it's not mentioned whether all security update considered as critical or not.
[1] https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/using-an-unactivated-windows-10/d7420644-fb2d-4c19-8948-0c7199e90e35 (https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/using-an-unactivated-windows-10/d7420644-fb2d-4c19-8948-0c7199e90e35)
[2] https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/will-a-unactivated-windows-10-get-a-windows-11/1daea2da-54b0-4223-861a-2094724d732c (https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/will-a-unactivated-windows-10-get-a-windows-11/1daea2da-54b0-4223-861a-2094724d732c)
I am speaking from my experience. Updates will inevitably stop after a period of time. The period of time may vary depending on the country, but they will inevitably stop. This is what happened to me at least, as they give you a trial period to use all the features with the ability to update automatically, but after a period of time some important features will stop ( For example, you cannot customize the Windows theme, and automatic updates are also stopped, but you can still install updates manually.
As you know, there are security vulnerabilities that are discovered from time to time in Windows and are fixed through updates, so stopping the update may cause serious problems in the future.
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If anyone wants to know more about Linux and Bitcoin, they can take a look at a distro called BitKey: BitKey - Secure Bitcoin Swiss Army Knife (https://bitkey.io/).
I remember i saw this distro long time ago, but it seems it haven't release new version on very long time. So IMO we shouldn't mention it to beginner.
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I am speaking from my experience. Updates will inevitably stop after a period of time. The period of time may vary depending on the country, but they will inevitably stop. This is what happened to me at least, as they give you a trial period to use all the features with the ability to update automatically, but after a period of time some important features will stop ( For example, you cannot customize the Windows theme, and automatic updates are also stopped, but you can still install updates manually.
As you know, there are security vulnerabilities that are discovered from time to time in Windows and are fixed through updates, so stopping the update may cause serious problems in the future.
I see. Maybe those answer are either outdated or only based on a bit of experience.
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I find it funny when on crypto related forums people discuss pros and cons of unlicensed copies of Windows. I have looked on this forum, but on our neighbor forum we have windows key sellers. <$5 and your windows will be licensed. Add more $5 and you get a key for antivirus license. Nevertheless, licensed copy of Windows or not, it does not matter, as user himself makes security mistakes. Even after buying Mac, users isnt insured against copy/pasting his key on a phishing page.
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I remember i saw this distro long time ago, but it seems it haven't release new version on very long time. So IMO we shouldn't mention it to beginner.
I only talked about that distro as a curiosity within the world of Bitcoin and Linux, at no time have I recommended it. I'll say it in other words. This distro has not received updates for several years, in fact, the last stable version was: Distribution Release: BitKey 14.2.0 - 2017-05-23.
If you read my previous posts in this thread you will see that I always talk about what I do, but I don't tell anyone what decision they should make.
BitKey Linux is not secure since it has been without updates or development for 7 years.
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I find it funny when on crypto related forums people discuss pros and cons of unlicensed copies of Windows. I have looked on this forum, but on our neighbor forum we have windows key sellers. <$5 and your windows will be licensed. Add more $5 and you get a key for antivirus license. Nevertheless, licensed copy of Windows or not, it does not matter, as user himself makes security mistakes. Even after buying Mac, users isnt insured against copy/pasting his key on a phishing page.
Yeah, but I think the point is that Mac OS doesn't have that much of malware, although the numbers are going up as far as cyber criminals creating malwares or trojan for Mac OS, still though if we compare it to Window based wherein the attack could be as high as 80%. Of course no system is 100% safe by this cyber criminals, it's because this group are sophisticated and really good at what they are doing. The only weapon we have it to educate ourselves with how the attacks are being perpetuated, their modus operandi, so that as crypto enthusiast who uses Windows or any OS, we can prevent this kind of attacks and our crypto will be safe.
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Always thought that it does not matter which operation system, antivirus or wallet user uses, because he gets hacked not based on what has chosen, but based on what he did. Even if user has super protection system, one reckless click can change everything. I think it is enough to follow security measurements and be cautious, to safely store crypto. As nobody will hack you unless someone find out you have funds.
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To a large extent, I share your opinion, because most of the incidents that happen to crypto users have nothing to do with the OS they use, but with the fact that they simply make a wrong move that hackers use to empty their wallet. So let's say a part of crypto users gets "hacked" because they save their backups (seeds/private keys) in e-mail or the cloud or as an ordinary text document on the desktop.
There is no doubt that Windows is the OS that is by far the most exposed to attacks, but even if it is another OS, it still boils down to the fact that it is not recommended to store your cryptocurrencies in desktop/mobile hot wallets. It's simply too much of a risk and that's why hardware wallets exist.
I agree that Linux is safer. I hate Mac OS or any other Apple stuff , the costs (price, lack functions, incompatibility) of having them are not worth any possible benefit.
Windows might not be the safer, but it is much better than it was 20 years ago. I am a Windows user since 3.11, and it is much better now.
It is safer, faster, more stable and the WSL (Windows subsystem Linux) is amazing...
As I use a hardware wallet , I never lost any funds. I also hold some amount of money in metamask for years...
I think the problem is basically bad habits in the internet that most people have...
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I find it funny when on crypto related forums people discuss pros and cons of unlicensed copies of Windows. I have looked on this forum, but on our neighbor forum we have windows key sellers. <$5 and your windows will be licensed. Add more $5 and you get a key for antivirus license. Nevertheless, licensed copy of Windows or not, it does not matter, as user himself makes security mistakes. Even after buying Mac, users isnt insured against copy/pasting his key on a phishing page.
I don't see what's so funny, when i've seen few people do their work/job on non-activated Windows. And while it's true there are many places to buy cheap windows or software key, there's risk the key become invalid if the seller turns out obtain it illegally. You probably want to read this article, https://www.howtogeek.com/392080/cheap-windows-10-keys-do-they-work/ (https://www.howtogeek.com/392080/cheap-windows-10-keys-do-they-work/)/
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Yes, I remember your advice, thank you.
But I would like to add here that for an unlicensed Windows system with a watermark, the problem is not only the presence of the watermark, but the main problem is that Windows updates have stopped, especially the Windows Defender update, which will make your device vulnerable to major security risks due to the update stopping.
Therefore, it is better to obtain a license or replace Windows with Linux.
The conclusion would be that in any case, at all costs, we should avoid pirated versions of the OS, but also cracked software - there simply cannot be any compromise if we are people who have anything to do with cryptocurrencies. As a Windows user, I'm not too worried about all the threats that are already known, but I'm much more worried about the possibility that some new dangerous threats will appear that will take advantage of some vulnerability in Windows and do us a lot of damage.
In the near future I plan to buy a new computer, and then I will certainly go in the direction of giving Linux a chance.
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Yeah, but I think the point is that Mac OS doesn't have that much of malware, although the numbers are going up as far as cyber criminals creating malwares or trojan for Mac OS, still though if we compare it to Window based wherein the attack could be as high as 80%. Of course no system is 100% safe by this cyber criminals, it's because this group are sophisticated and really good at what they are doing. The only weapon we have it to educate ourselves with how the attacks are being perpetuated, their modus operandi, so that as crypto enthusiast who uses Windows or any OS, we can prevent this kind of attacks and our crypto will be safe.
That malware can do nothing if user did not run it first himself. I have never seen when when a malware or trojan downloads and run himself, after user only turns on his device. It is user who always makes a first step. From reading this topic, user can believe that if he buys a none-windows device, he will be 100% safe. From my own experience - I have MacOs at home and in the office. Still someone managed to steal from my ETH wallet. How this happened? I dont know. Doubt that I caught a keylogger and someone accessed my wallet.
I find it funny when on crypto related forums people discuss pros and cons of unlicensed copies of Windows. I have looked on this forum, but on our neighbor forum we have windows key sellers. <$5 and your windows will be licensed. Add more $5 and you get a key for antivirus license. Nevertheless, licensed copy of Windows or not, it does not matter, as user himself makes security mistakes. Even after buying Mac, users isnt insured against copy/pasting his key on a phishing page.
I don't see what's so funny, when i've seen few people do their work/job on non-activated Windows. And while it's true there are many places to buy cheap windows or software key, there's risk the key become invalid if the seller turns out obtain it illegally. You probably want to read this article, https://www.howtogeek.com/392080/cheap-windows-10-keys-do-they-work/ (https://www.howtogeek.com/392080/cheap-windows-10-keys-do-they-work/)/
It is funny because these keys cost nothing and users can change them easily and cheap. With crypto, that key market only grew. Keys became more available and affordable. People prefer to have limited functions and annoying "active windows" warning message for years, than to spend 5-10 dollars and forget about it. That is a cost of 1 cup of coffee...
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I find it funny when on crypto related forums people discuss pros and cons of unlicensed copies of Windows. I have looked on this forum, but on our neighbor forum we have windows key sellers. <$5 and your windows will be licensed. Add more $5 and you get a key for antivirus license. Nevertheless, licensed copy of Windows or not, it does not matter, as user himself makes security mistakes. Even after buying Mac, users isnt insured against copy/pasting his key on a phishing page.
As for having that windows license key or not then it would really be somewhat that understandable that having those non activated might be having that security issues but of course theres no proof that it could really be able to compromise on whatever files you do have stored on a non activated windows machine. It would really be having that limited features but of course
when it comes to security of your own wallet or those private keys would really be that still depending on you. Also, its true that it is really that already cheap if we do speak about
license keys on which i have been able to purchase one online too.
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I would also add not to use wind0ws for anything, unless you are forced to use it on your work place.
There is no good reason why anyone would install bitcoin wallets on windows computer and expect don't to be attacked by some malware in future.
Linux OS works better and if you have older computer it should be much faster with good Linux distro.
Most Bitcoin wallets work great with Linux and you can customize it anyway you want.
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I would also add not to use wind0ws for anything, unless you are forced to use it on your work place.
There is no good reason why anyone would install bitcoin wallets on windows computer and expect don't to be attacked by some malware in future.
Linux OS works better and if you have older computer it should be much faster with good Linux distro.
Most Bitcoin wallets work great with Linux and you can customize it anyway you want.
Linux is better with pretty much every computer except for the ones that have shiny new firmware for which there are no open-source Linux drivers for it, yet.
The workplace continues to be dominated by Windows. But I strongly suspect that many of them don't actually need to be using that. Only the businesses that still use Outlook, Exchange, Active Directory, and all that legacy crap are stuck with it.
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I am not a Windows huge fan, but I see that a lot of people are against it. This makes me wonder, when banks operate with huge money and most important other peoples money, why most of banking operators have Windows installed on their working PC. Mostly their software is for Windows. All those managers and those who work with customers, have windows based devices. We, cryptocurrency community, say that Windows is no good if we want to protect our money. But banks used Windows to operate with other peoples money, large amount of money. Dont you find it strange?
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I am not a Windows huge fan, but I see that a lot of people are against it. This makes me wonder, when banks operate with huge money and most important other peoples money, why most of banking operators have Windows installed on their working PC. Mostly their software is for Windows. All those managers and those who work with customers, have windows based devices. We, cryptocurrency community, say that Windows is no good if we want to protect our money. But banks used Windows to operate with other peoples money, large amount of money. Dont you find it strange?
Because the banks never upgrade their software.
They are not even using a new version of Windows. Many use using Windows 7, XP, or even really ancient dinosaur versions made in the past century. Oh and that is without mentioning COBOL and the IBM mainframes.
Their reasoning is that if they upgrade the risk of transactions failing will be way too big. Which makes no sense at all.
This is exactly the kind of corporation that Elon should've barged into and change everything, not social media.
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It is funny because these keys cost nothing and users can change them easily and cheap. With crypto, that key market only grew. Keys became more available and affordable. People prefer to have limited functions and annoying "active windows" warning message for years, than to spend 5-10 dollars and forget about it. That is a cost of 1 cup of coffee...
I get your point, although "cost of 1 cup of coffee" only applies on some country/place.
I am not a Windows huge fan, but I see that a lot of people are against it. This makes me wonder, when banks operate with huge money and most important other peoples money, why most of banking operators have Windows installed on their working PC. Mostly their software is for Windows. All those managers and those who work with customers, have windows based devices. We, cryptocurrency community, say that Windows is no good if we want to protect our money. But banks used Windows to operate with other peoples money, large amount of money. Dont you find it strange?
Aside from what @NotATether said, i expect their security expert manually configure those windows computer to be more secure. Usually it comes with trade-off, such as slower computer performance or you only can access certain server.
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I am not a Windows huge fan, but I see that a lot of people are against it. This makes me wonder, when banks operate with huge money and most important other peoples money, why most of banking operators have Windows installed on their working PC. Mostly their software is for Windows. All those managers and those who work with customers, have windows based devices. We, cryptocurrency community, say that Windows is no good if we want to protect our money. But banks used Windows to operate with other peoples money, large amount of money. Dont you find it strange?
Aside from what @NotATether said, i expect their security expert manually configure those windows computer to be more secure. Usually it comes with trade-off, such as slower computer performance or you only can access certain server.
Here is something else I didn't write - the big businesses are not using the "Home" or even the "Pro" versions of Windows, which are full of ads and spyware and other sorts of junk. They use an enterprise version of Windows without all the bloat. And then they usually do a bunch of Group Policies and buy an external firewall/AV to lock down their systems and networks.
Microsoft knows that it is going to lose the enterprise market if those customers get pissed off at the end-user UX, that's why they give them a more bearable (and expensive!) edition of Windows to use.
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Linux is better with pretty much every computer except for the ones that have shiny new firmware for which there are no open-source Linux drivers for it, yet.
There can be some issues with brand new laptops and drivers for new components, but this usually gets reported and updated quickly for major linux distros.
On the other side you can expect to have constant bugs and problems on wind0ws, you need to pay to use it and they will 100% spy everything you do.
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The conclusion would be that in any case, at all costs, we should avoid pirated versions of the OS, but also cracked software - there simply cannot be any compromise if we are people who have anything to do with cryptocurrencies. As a Windows user, I'm not too worried about all the threats that are already known, but I'm much more worried about the possibility that some new dangerous threats will appear that will take advantage of some vulnerability in Windows and do us a lot of damage.
In the near future I plan to buy a new computer, and then I will certainly go in the direction of giving Linux a chance.
Not only the operating system is important (and knowing how to configure it correctly). User errors are always one of the worst points to take into account, download and run software that we don't know, click on the link without first looking where it can take us... These types of errors are very common. But that does not eliminate the operating system's ability to receive attacks, on top of that, Windows, historically speaking, since its inception, has never been the most secure.
Microsoft Vulnerabilities Hit a Record-High (https://www.beyondtrust.com/blog/entry/microsoft-vulnerabilities-report).
Microsoft Vulnerabilities Report 2024 (https://www.beyondtrust.com/resources/whitepapers/microsoft-vulnerability-report).
The end user is responsible for everything, as long as the tools at his disposal have sufficient capacity to guarantee the security of the systems.
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It is funny because these keys cost nothing and users can change them easily and cheap. With crypto, that key market only grew. Keys became more available and affordable. People prefer to have limited functions and annoying "active windows" warning message for years, than to spend 5-10 dollars and forget about it. That is a cost of 1 cup of coffee...
I get your point, although "cost of 1 cup of coffee" only applies on some country/place.
I am not a Windows huge fan, but I see that a lot of people are against it. This makes me wonder, when banks operate with huge money and most important other peoples money, why most of banking operators have Windows installed on their working PC. Mostly their software is for Windows. All those managers and those who work with customers, have windows based devices. We, cryptocurrency community, say that Windows is no good if we want to protect our money. But banks used Windows to operate with other peoples money, large amount of money. Dont you find it strange?
Aside from what @NotATether said, i expect their security expert manually configure those windows computer to be more secure. Usually it comes with trade-off, such as slower computer performance or you only can access certain server.
That is right, security experts taught, explained users what they can do on work device and what not, as well as manually configure and monitor everything. That points that the threat goes from users actions, not from attack from outside. It does not matter if they use Windows 7,11 or old XP, Pro-home-student or whatever version of OS they have. User makes first move towards problems.
A friend of mine works for large Scandinavian bank and uses windows laptop for remote work. He has bought it himself, gave it to IT and they installed VPN and some soft to it. That is it. No super protection or whatsoever.
I am just trying to say here, that many live with old experience of Windows, when there were viruses on CD of floppy disks. When people open everything they get from email and click next>next>next during any installation, the causes those awful bars to IE to install. Modern windows user or OS is not a colander or cavemen.
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I am not a Windows huge fan, but I see that a lot of people are against it. This makes me wonder, when banks operate with huge money and most important other peoples money, why most of banking operators have Windows installed on their working PC. Mostly their software is for Windows. All those managers and those who work with customers, have windows based devices. We, cryptocurrency community, say that Windows is no good if we want to protect our money. But banks used Windows to operate with other peoples money, large amount of money. Dont you find it strange?
- I know that there is a risk to keeping cryptocurrency on a Windows desktop or laptop because it can be corrupted or hacked. But what if a crypto community doesn't yet have the capability to buy a hardware wallet? And isn't that cautious when it comes to crypto software wallets?
Until now, I still consider myself a newbie because, until now, I'm still using software wallets, but I research them carefully before actually using them because I also don't want the assets I store in a wallet. And if I use a desktop, instead of hiding crypto on the desktop, I hide it on a flash drive or USB for awhile, not just on one USB but on several USBs.
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I find it funny when on crypto related forums people discuss pros and cons of unlicensed copies of Windows. I have looked on this forum, but on our neighbor forum we have windows key sellers. <$5 and your windows will be licensed. Add more $5 and you get a key for antivirus license. Nevertheless, licensed copy of Windows or not, it does not matter, as user himself makes security mistakes. Even after buying Mac, users isnt insured against copy/pasting his key on a phishing page.
Hmm... You made some valid points here. I think exposing the private key is the main thing that makes a wallet get compromised. Some also connect their wallets to different sites, and this can make their wallets get hacked or compromised as well. Whether you use a licensed Windows or not, not exposing your private keys or seed phrase matters a lot.
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I am not a Windows huge fan, but I see that a lot of people are against it. This makes me wonder, when banks operate with huge money and most important other peoples money, why most of banking operators have Windows installed on their working PC. Mostly their software is for Windows. All those managers and those who work with customers, have windows based devices. We, cryptocurrency community, say that Windows is no good if we want to protect our money. But banks used Windows to operate with other peoples money, large amount of money. Dont you find it strange?
- I know that there is a risk to keeping cryptocurrency on a Windows desktop or laptop because it can be corrupted or hacked. But what if a crypto community doesn't yet have the capability to buy a hardware wallet? And isn't that cautious when it comes to crypto software wallets?
Until now, I still consider myself a newbie because, until now, I'm still using software wallets, but I research them carefully before actually using them because I also don't want the assets I store in a wallet. And if I use a desktop, instead of hiding crypto on the desktop, I hide it on a flash drive or USB for awhile, not just on one USB but on several USBs.
I would say, if you follow or safety measures, then you would be 99% safe even if you keep your password in a notepad document with name "My passwords" on a desktop. Until you dont connect your widget wallet to every single webpage, until you dont click on unknown links and run unknown files or open attachments from unknown emails - you are safe. You dont do anything stupid, and nobody knows that you have crypto on the wallets, you are free to use anything.
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Ever since I entered crypto never that I used Google or any operating system to save my assets instead I only have my exchange wallets or my decentralized wallets to store my coinsbecause this is what my mentor's tough me and strictly ask me to deny using .