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Title: Why the demand of Ether not changing much despite Ether ETFs being approved?
Post by: AGM on May 25, 2024, 03:50:28 AM
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In the cryptocurrency space, SEC chief Gary Gensler is often hostile to crypto. He had this attitude before and still now. After recently approving spot bitcoin ETFs, the agency has now approved spot ether ETFs, but there are concerns about the specific reasons why the approval process for bitcoin ETFs and ether ETFs are different. But as far as I know SEC chief Gary Gensler has not yet agreed to comment on anything outside of the official guidelines. Ether ETFs are only approved based on voting systems and market divisions.

 Do you think that Ether's different ETF approval process is a political influence or something else?
Title: Re: Why the demand of Ether not changing much despite Ether ETFs being approved?
Post by: MrSpasybo on May 25, 2024, 11:55:41 PM
In the cryptocurrency space, SEC chief Gary Gensler is often hostile to crypto. He had this attitude before and still now. After recently approving spot bitcoin ETFs, the agency has now approved spot ether ETFs, but there are concerns about the specific reasons why the approval process for bitcoin ETFs and ether ETFs are different. But as far as I know SEC chief Gary Gensler has not yet agreed to comment on anything outside of the official guidelines. Ether ETFs are only approved based on voting systems and market divisions.

Do you think that Ether's different ETF approval process is a political influence or something else?
I'm quite confused because the content of the topic is different from its title ^^
First of all, we already have ETH Spot ETF, traditional investors in the US may soon be able to trade this asset the way they are trading BTC Spot ETF. Gary Gensler's opinion is no longer important for ETH Spot ETF.

As mentioned, investors cannot yet buy or sell ETH Spot ETF, which means that money cannot flow into ETH and the market does not have additional buying pressure from ETH Spot ETF providers. At the same time, Grayscale is also holding a lot of ETH ~ 2.94M ETH and has negative inflows in the first few months, similar to BTC Spot ETF. However, I believe that ETH Spot ETF is still a great success for ETH and many POS tokens in the market, and is the driving force for a stronger bullrun.
Title: Re: Why the demand of Ether not changing much despite Ether ETFs being approved?
Post by: TomPluz on May 29, 2024, 09:33:57 AM
Do you think that Ether's different ETF approval process is a political influence or something else?

There is no easy answer to this question as we are not privy of the many things going on in SEC and the kind of interactions they do with industry leaders and maybe even political figures, as what the question can be implying. I would say that maybe this is one way the Biden administration is trying to look like crypto-friendly as being the Democratic candidate this November he need to muster all the support he can get to avoid the avalanche of the surging Trump. Anyway, this is just a speculation and I am sure this can have a less probability of being true as the idea of Earth as flat. Now, instead of saying politically influenced, I would say that this spot Ethereum ETF decision is influenced by the applicants themselves which we know are really giants in their own ways financially.

Why the demand of Ether not changing much despite Ether ETFs being approved?

The answer is that it has not started yet though already approved by SEC in principle. Each applicant will be going through an individual basis system and will have to wait the necessary time needed for the whole process to come into final nod. The recent surge in ETH is the result of the news on the ETF approval but then again applicants should have been buying huge volume of ETH right now in anticipation for their business...and that is why maybe you are wondering why. One thing for sure is that maybe we should not be comparing this Ethereum ETF with that of Bitcoin ETF where demand for BTC really skyrocketed...but definitely there is no question this is going to  be game-changing for Ethereum. So let just wait for more developments and see where the market will be taking Ethereum in the next weeks and months.



Title: Re: Why the demand of Ether not changing much despite Ether ETFs being approved?
Post by: bitterguy28 on May 29, 2024, 10:27:53 AM
When the bitcoin ETF was approved the movement is the same as how Ethereum is acting now means this will take time , but ethereum has been moving great these past days after the etf.

and maybe another factor why Ethereum is not in that demand is the issue about its super high fees when there is congestion that make people instead of using ethereum as their crypto onhold , they are now choosing others with cheap and fast transaction details .
Title: Re: Why the demand of Ether not changing much despite Ether ETFs being approved?
Post by: koang on May 29, 2024, 02:39:45 PM
Do you think that Ether's different ETF approval process is a political influence or something else?

Based on the politics, I tend to think, it will be just another partisan issue here but never mind...
People only need to realize that they don't have to fight the system but they can take control of their lives by switching to Crypto.
There might be some bumps along the road in the next few years, but whoever is betting against Crypto in the long run, will lose.
Title: Re: Why the demand of Ether not changing much despite Ether ETFs being approved?
Post by: hugeblack on May 31, 2024, 11:01:44 AM
The real question is why the delay in obtaining ETF products in the United States. Compared to European markets, the United States usually approves ETF products faster than other countries, but in the case of Bitcoin, there was procrastination to the point that some investment funds filed lawsuits with the SEC.
Title: Re: Why the demand of Ether not changing much despite Ether ETFs being approved?
Post by: Hamza2424 on May 31, 2024, 10:27:33 PM
Hmm, Hello what when ETH ETF got approved? I haven't heard of any such news.

OP, you've quoted a meme haha on the tount of ETH not as security, but recently the stance of the SEC has changed that  now they recognize the ETH market as security. That was the reason for the major boost in the ETH price because the deadline for the first ETH ETF was approaching. Now I'm quite curious about upcoming ETF applications. 
Title: Re: Why the demand of Ether not changing much despite Ether ETFs being approved?
Post by: TomPluz on June 01, 2024, 04:54:28 AM
The real question is why the delay in obtaining ETF products in the United States. Compared to European markets, the United States usually approves ETF products faster than other countries, but in the case of Bitcoin, there was procrastination to the point that some investment funds filed lawsuits with the SEC.

Yes, it took SEC to be dragged to the court for its approval of the spot Bitcoin ETFs that happened in January because in the first place SEC is adamant in its position on this issue...it does not want to get into ETF but since applicants are big names in the world of finance most especially Blackrock it got not choice but to yield to the pressure. And now with the news that spot Ethereum ETFs is given a nod, applicants are going to be individually scrutinize and approved before they can offer the same service or product to their clients. Anyway, this is a lot better than saying NO or delaying the approval due to technicalities or whatever reason SEC can easily come up.

Title: Re: Why the demand of Ether not changing much despite Ether ETFs being approved?
Post by: Faisal2202 on June 01, 2024, 08:30:22 AM
Do you think that Ether's different ETF approval process is a political influence or something else?
Your post is not making sense to me right now, as the news source you have provided is totally talking about the decisions and nature of the 5 people who voted back at the time of BTC ETFs and now they are concerned about ETH ETF's on the basis of nature of these 5 people who voted back then. By simple means, what the news has tried to compile is, they review the recent interviews, and statements of these 5 people (who voted) to understand their thinking and why they voted against and why not, so they could predict their next vote for ETH.

One of the voters, (Hester Peirce) showed his interest in the crypto industry, she voted for the approval of BTC back then and she seems to vote for ETH ETFs as well. Due to the involvement in the Ether community. Now can you explain a little why you think the process for both was different as I don't read any difference in the source news you provided. Plus there might be more and lesser strictness now and then, as BTC ETFs were first and ETH ETFs are second so ETHs might not have faced such difficulties to get approved.
Title: Re: Why the demand of Ether not changing much despite Ether ETFs being approved?
Post by: akeemqaz on July 24, 2024, 09:59:35 PM
Demand for Ether might not change for now. However, any company that lists ETH as a spot ETF will surely market and promote it in one way or another. This will definitely increase the demand. The same will also happen to Bitcoin.
We might see all that marketing or promotion as just normal activities, but they are actually ways to increase demand for these coins.
Title: Re: Why the demand of Ether not changing much despite Ether ETFs being approved?
Post by: NikeFit_7777 on July 25, 2024, 09:48:28 AM
The negative market reaction is probably due to the first outflow from Ethereum-ETF in the US. At the end of yesterday's session, $133 mln was withdrawn from the funds, leveling the results of the first day.

In fact, only Grayscale recorded an outflow of $326 million ($810 million over two days), while other funds attracted funds.

The trading volume on the second day exceeded $1 bln.

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Title: Re: Why the demand of Ether not changing much despite Ether ETFs being approved?
Post by: pakhitheboss on July 25, 2024, 11:37:30 AM
Do you think that Ether's different ETF approval process is a political influence or something else?

First of all, let me ask you the reason why your title and the subject of your topic do not correlate. Then I am confused to understand why are you questioning an ETF that is already being traded in the market. Addressing your topic title I would say be patient and you will see the effect of the ETF showing up in the cryptocurrency market in a few days. When Bitcoin ETF started trading the price of Bitcoin did not go up on the same day rather it took a few days or weeks to see the price go up.
Title: Re: Why the demand of Ether not changing much despite Ether ETFs being approved?
Post by: nakamura12 on July 25, 2024, 11:36:20 PM
[quote author=pakhitheboss link=topic=321574.msg1593647#msg1593647 date=1721900250
First of all, let me ask you the reason why your title and the subject of your topic do not correlate. Then I am confused to understand why are you questioning an ETF that is already being traded in the market. Addressing your topic title I would say be patient and you will see the effect of the ETF showing up in the cryptocurrency market in a few days. When Bitcoin ETF started trading the price of Bitcoin did not go up on the same day rather it took a few days or weeks to see the price go up.
[/quote]Same here. What I'd do is I'd just focus on the title "why the demand of ether not changing much despite ether etf being approved. My answer would be "maybe it's because it hasn't started yet". It's better for OP to wait and see if ether ETF would surely influence the demand of ether or won't change much.
Title: Re: Why the demand of Ether not changing much despite Ether ETFs being approved?
Post by: pakhitheboss on July 26, 2024, 11:55:51 AM
Same here. What I'd do is I'd just focus on the title "why the demand of ether not changing much despite ether etf being approved. My answer would be "maybe it's because it hasn't started yet". It's better for OP to wait and see if ether ETF would surely influence the demand of ether or won't change much.
This is something that I have seen in the other forum too where people create titles which is completely unrelatable to the content of the topic. Such topics do make you realize how important it is to always read the content of the topic. If I had not read it nor you had read it then we would have replied according to the title. That would have been considered as spam and could have been deleted by the mods.
Title: Re: Why the demand of Ether not changing much despite Ether ETFs being approved?
Post by: Trongduy on July 26, 2024, 01:29:11 PM
Considering the political landscape, I suspect this will become another partisan issue, but that aside... People need to realize they don't have to fight the system; they can take control of their lives by switching to crypto. There might be some bumps along the road in the next few years, but anyone betting against crypto in the long run will lose.
Title: Re: Why the demand of Ether not changing much despite Ether ETFs being approved?
Post by: dwyane36 on July 26, 2024, 01:51:42 PM
The negative market reaction is probably due to the first outflow from Ethereum-ETF in the US. At the end of yesterday's session, $133 mln was withdrawn from the funds, leveling the results of the first day.

In fact, only Grayscale recorded an outflow of $326 million ($810 million over two days), while other funds attracted funds.

The trading volume on the second day exceeded $1 bln.

Well, the trading volumes of spot ETH-ETFs turned out to be much lower than the trading volumes of spot BTC-ETFs in the first days, and it's not surprising. As for the outflow of funds, similar things happened during the first days of trading spot BTC-ETFs. The main reason is that Grayscale has a 2.5% fee, which is much higher than other competing funds.
Title: Re: Why the demand of Ether not changing much despite Ether ETFs being approved?
Post by: Hamza2424 on July 27, 2024, 07:22:26 PM
Buddy, I am in the same curiosity, TBH hah it's supper frustrating because I've been waiting for the heavy pumps in the ETH for a long time, it's really disappointing but still, I have hopes as the previous few weeks were so pressuring for the crypto market. ETH is gonna hit hard in this cycle but seems like, for now its testing our patience on a high level. Layer 2 is going to be the best gainer in the ETH ecosystem in my views.
Title: Re: Why the demand of Ether not changing much despite Ether ETFs being approved?
Post by: bitterguy28 on July 31, 2024, 08:21:03 AM
Buddy, I am in the same curiosity, TBH hah it's supper frustrating because I've been waiting for the heavy pumps in the ETH for a long time, it's really disappointing but still, I have hopes as the previous few weeks were so pressuring for the crypto market.
bitcoin experienced some dumping these past few weeks and i guess the approval of eth ethereum was not enough to fight back that maybe it just was not the best timing
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ETH is gonna hit hard in this cycle but seems like, for now its testing our patience on a high level.
well that is what's really hard about holding and people who say it is easy do not understand the mental capacity you need to have to make sure you see your investments through anyway i do believe that once bitcoin breaks its resistance levels we will see ethereum follow suit so yes patience is definitely what holders of ethereum need at these times

i do wonder again whether this can affect the plans of more etf for other crypto? the next one might not come as soon considering the performance of etf eth right now
Title: Re: Why the demand of Ether not changing much despite Ether ETFs being approved?
Post by: Hamza2424 on July 31, 2024, 09:23:28 PM
bitcoin experienced some dumping these past few weeks and i guess the approval of eth ethereum was not enough to fight back that maybe it just was not the best timing

Hmm, As for Bitcoin there were some rumors about Biden's health issues, that can most likely impact the market in negative sides, at the same time the story of 200k Bitcoin under US treasury is also in peak, I cant understand how and where, as I've read the articles total seized amount of Bitcoins by different countries, and US seized 210k BTC and out that they sold 195k back in time, and now these days a few influencers are mentioning the 200k Bitcoins again, I'm not sure is that the same Bitcoin or different if you have any idea about hat, let me know. Becasue i can't find any reference to such a big holding by US.
Title: Re: Why the demand of Ether not changing much despite Ether ETFs being approved?
Post by: bee on August 02, 2024, 08:01:17 AM
I am not so sure that this ETF is the only way for US residents to get exposure to ETH as as far as I know there are no restrictions on owning it onchain or using crypto exchanges. The ETF market will not affect the natural demand for ETH in any way. Unless an ETF is approved in a country like China, you can probably expect high demand.
Title: Re: Why the demand of Ether not changing much despite Ether ETFs being approved?
Post by: doc on August 17, 2024, 04:40:40 AM
Considering the political landscape, I suspect this will become another partisan issue, but that aside... People need to realize they don't have to fight the system; they can take control of their lives by switching to crypto. There might be some bumps along the road in the next few years, but anyone betting against crypto in the long run will lose.
agreed, crypto is a technological advancement, no one will be able to resist progress because in the end they will definitely lose. Crypto will be more popular and popular with many people in the future, we should start learning and understanding this technology. I also sometimes regret that the government in a country rejects crypto, will they oppose future technological advances? Wouldn't it be better to learn to adopt from now on?
Title: Re: Why the demand of Ether not changing much despite Ether ETFs being approved?
Post by: pieppiep on September 01, 2024, 07:14:30 AM
Considering the political landscape, I suspect this will become another partisan issue, but that aside... People need to realize they don't have to fight the system; they can take control of their lives by switching to crypto. There might be some bumps along the road in the next few years, but anyone betting against crypto in the long run will lose.
agreed, crypto is a technological advancement, no one will be able to resist progress because in the end they will definitely lose. Crypto will be more popular and popular with many people in the future, we should start learning and understanding this technology. I also sometimes regret that the government in a country rejects crypto, will they oppose future technological advances? Wouldn't it be better to learn to adopt from now on?
Well, this is the actual evidence of this concept in the process of development of the digital currency. Sometimes, paper money is not used. Technology advances and in the near future there will be development of electronic money digital currency including Bitcoin, Ethereum amongst others. In short, every government has a policy for its own country. Due to the fact that not all the countries declare the legality of the circulation of Cryptocurrency.
Title: Re: Why the demand of Ether not changing much despite Ether ETFs being approved?
Post by: Vision pro on September 07, 2024, 08:26:02 AM
Do you think that Ether's different ETF approval process is a political influence or something else?


First of all, let me ask you the reason why your title and the subject of your topic do not correlate. Then I am confused to understand why are you questioning an ETF that is already being traded in the market. Addressing your topic title I would say be patient and you will see the effect of the ETF showing up in the cryptocurrency market in a few days. When Bitcoin ETF started trading the price of Bitcoin did not go up on the same day rather it took a few days or weeks to see the price go up.
It seems you're addressing a discrepancy between the title and content of a discussion, specifically regarding an ETF that has already launched in the market. Titles should indeed reflect the core focus of the discussion, and if there's a mismatch, it can lead to confusion. Your suggestion of being patient is also well-founded, as the impact of ETFs, like any significant financial product, can take time to influence the broader market. The initial reaction might not always reflect the long-term effects on asset prices.
Title: Re: Why the demand of Ether not changing much despite Ether ETFs being approved?
Post by: Hamza2424 on September 08, 2024, 10:44:48 PM
Hmm, this is an old post, but the same question still exists, ETH is still under pressure and I'm now losing confidence as after today because I was expecting a great volume in ETH but what can we do with that except keep patience, on the mark? Anyway still if we recover from this super pressurizing market point ETH is gonna perform with blasting momentum.
Title: Re: Why the demand of Ether not changing much despite Ether ETFs being approved?
Post by: erus on September 09, 2024, 09:42:44 AM
It takes the right time for ETH to rise to 100%, if the current price of Ethereum is around 2200 dollars and if it rises 100% it means the price is 4400, a very expensive value and of course today is not the time to buy Ethereum. Maybe next year when the price of ETH exceeds 8000 dollars. This is my opinion and this my expectations.
Title: Re: Why the demand of Ether not changing much despite Ether ETFs being approved?
Post by: malah on December 17, 2024, 10:32:30 PM
It takes the right time for ETH to rise to 100%, if the current price of Ethereum is around 2200 dollars and if it rises 100% it means the price is 4400, a very expensive value and of course today is not the time to buy Ethereum. Maybe next year when the price of ETH exceeds 8000 dollars. This is my opinion and this my expectations.
Well, Understanding Ethereum price movements about investment is in the market requires certain particular attention and data analysis. It is possible to take realistic actions to enhance the P-O-L-C framework by analysing the timing for purchases or waiting for the right moment. During this period, which can be considered as the waiting period for potential future price hikes, we can work on increasing our understanding of what assets we own, and where the capital should go. It will assist us to minimise unrealistic expectations, and instead equip ourselves with qualitatively rich information. Every single activity being worked on today marks the way towards improvements in subsequent results.
Title: Re: Why the demand of Ether not changing much despite Ether ETFs being approved?
Post by: Azharul on December 23, 2024, 02:36:08 AM
It takes the right time for ETH to rise to 100%, if the current price of Ethereum is around 2200 dollars and if it rises 100% it means the price is 4400, a very expensive value and of course today is not the time to buy Ethereum. Maybe next year when the price of ETH exceeds 8000 dollars. This is my opinion and this my expectations.
Well, Understanding Ethereum price movements about investment is in the market requires certain particular attention and data analysis. It is possible to take realistic actions to enhance the P-O-L-C framework by analysing the timing for purchases or waiting for the right moment. During this period, which can be considered as the waiting period for potential future price hikes, we can work on increasing our understanding of what assets we own, and where the capital should go. It will assist us to minimise unrealistic expectations, and instead equip ourselves with qualitatively rich information. Every single activity being worked on today marks the way towards improvements in subsequent results.
I think that you could explain in your comment, which will be perfect for this time. We also know that Ethereum is the second level crypto in cryptocurrency market. We also know that Ethereum ETF is also the main thing in this time. I think that voting system is also approve based on this time. We also think that market division is also response for this situation. But I don't think political influence could be main reason for this reason. At least I think that within a short time Ethereum ETF will coming in cryptocurrency market.
Title: Re: Why the demand of Ether not changing much despite Ether ETFs being approved?
Post by: bitterguy28 on December 24, 2024, 06:16:02 AM
It takes the right time for ETH to rise to 100%, if the current price of Ethereum is around 2200 dollars and if it rises 100% it means the price is 4400, a very expensive value and of course today is not the time to buy Ethereum. Maybe next year when the price of ETH exceeds 8000 dollars. This is my opinion and this my expectations.
thank god that you clarified that this is your opinion and your expectation of ethereum because it goes against what i think is the common concept in all kinds of investment markets if you expect ethereum to rise 100% at a certain point of time then should you not be buying ethereum now? why would you buy ethereum when it is exceeding the price now when by the time if ethereum has reached $8000 you already should have been using that opportunity to take profit and not still chasing that coin just to acquire some
Title: Re: Why the demand of Ether not changing much despite Ether ETFs being approved?
Post by: KryptoBull on December 25, 2024, 04:46:16 PM
I am not so sure that this ETF is the only way for US residents to get exposure to ETH as as far as I know there are no restrictions on owning it onchain or using crypto exchanges. The ETF market will not affect the natural demand for ETH in any way. Unless an ETF is approved in a country like China, you can probably expect high demand.
More precisely, a spot ETH ETF is the simplest way for traditional investors in the US to invest in ETH without facing technological barriers or the risks of self-custodying ETH in personal wallets. They are accustomed to investing in the stock market, so they will be ready to buy financial products like spot ETFs from reputable issuers such as BlackRock.

As the demand for spot ETH ETFs increases, the amount of ETH on the market will be absorbed, and buying pressure will rise, driving up ETH price. At least that's what we want to see, and I believe we will see a simultaneous increase in inflows into spot ETH ETF and ETH price on the market in 2025.