It has been argued that the phrase "bitcoin address" was a bad name for this object because it implies it can be reused like an email address. A better name would be something like "bitcoin invoice".
After years of privacy research and development, we’ve realized that having good tools is not enough—they must also be easy to use. Otherwise, they will only be utilized by a minority, making those users stand out. To encourage the adoption of these tools, Ginger is designed to be user-friendly and to provide privacy automatically by default.
After years of privacy research and development, we’ve realized that having good tools is not enough—they must also be easy to use. Otherwise, they will only be utilized by a minority, making those users stand out. To encourage the adoption of these tools, Ginger is designed to be user-friendly and to provide privacy automatically by default.
Hey Community! Ginger dev here, feel free to ask if you have any questions about the project.Welcome to altt forum.
Saturday, June 1st 2024—Effective immediately and until further notice, InvisibleBit LLC. is now blocking U.S. citizens and residents from visiting its websites, downloading and using Ginger Wallet and any related products and services, including APIs and RPC interfaces.
That is not very cypherpunk-like of Ginger Wallet's company. This decision panders towards censorship.
What's the next thing that wallets and services will do? Everybody in the world except for US users should be able to benefit from coinjoin and privacy of their crypto? I am not enthusiastic about this decision at all.
That is not very cypherpunk-like of Ginger Wallet's company. This decision panders towards censorship.I understand why they added ban for downloading part... but are they really not allowing wallet to run if user has US IP address?
zkSNACKs doesn't run coordinator and Wasabi Wallet now require it's user to find and enter CoinJoin coordinator link manually, so this wallet could be more popular with some marketing. Anyway, does anyone know where InvisibleBit LLC. operate? I checked their legal document on which mention place called Próspera few times, but i'm not fully sure if i got it right.
years of privacy research and development?? It is zkSNACKs/WalletWasabi fork and some parts of the code were copied and pasted as is. It is true it will work now, but what will the future development be like, especially if the development of Wasabi Wallet stops? Or what are the new coinjoin services that the developer can provide?
How will coordinated coinjoin transactions be managed/rules? how will you deal with regulations?
Do you plan to offer something unique that is not available in original Wasabi wallet you forked off?
That is not very cypherpunk-like of Ginger Wallet's company. This decision panders towards censorship.
What's the next thing that wallets and services will do? Everybody in the world except for US users should be able to benefit from coinjoin and privacy of their crypto? I am not enthusiastic about this decision at all.
Hey Community! Ginger dev here, feel free to ask if you have any questions about the project.
The problem with the market now is several coinjoin coordinators appeared without any restrictionThat is not a problem, that is called freedom of not always kissing asses of regulators all the time.
It is logical that many people do not like a decision like this, but what the team is doing by taking this measure is covering their backs against possible legal problems they may have.
zkSNACKs doesn't run coordinator and Wasabi Wallet now require it's user to find and enter CoinJoin coordinator link manually, so this wallet could be more popular with some marketing. Anyway, does anyone know where InvisibleBit LLC. operate? I checked their legal document on which mention place called Próspera few times, but i'm not fully sure if i got it right.
You got it right, it Próspera.
There was no copy-pasting, it was purely a fork plus minor changes (rebranding, coordinator URI). In the first period, Ginger's team will be focusing on marking to spread the news.
In general, it seems that in the next versions it will only be allowed to use the Ginger coordinator. Does this mean restricting who can download and use the wallet services? If not, it is better to focus on Ginger coordinator using Wasabi wallet instead of creating a fork.I just read this in the first post, maybe this is an update in the meantime.
Saturday, June 1st 2024—Effective immediately and until further notice, InvisibleBit LLC. is now blocking U.S. citizens and residents from visiting its websites, downloading and using Ginger Wallet and any related products and services, including APIs and RPC interfaces
What is even the point of an anonymity service if certain people are not allowed to use it?I believe that wallet applications with Coinjoin integration will continue to exist and be released, and the #DevelopmentTeam can remain anonymous and profit from the crypto mixing service they provide. As long as user demand exists, wallets like Ginger will continue to make a profit to survive in the market.
Coin un-tainting service, that people from certain countries (IP addresses) cannot join?
I mean, this probably coordinates transactions from North Korea, and Russia (as it should be) but the developers scare themselves into keeping out transactions from the USA.
Then what will happen when other countries like the EU pass a similar measure? These wallets are going to regulate themselves out of existence.
1 BTC = 1 BTC. It does not matter where you are from.
I understand the position of these developers but Congress is not in a hurry to clarify coinjoins anytime soon and this is playing into their hands.
In general, it seems that in the next versions it will only be allowed to use the Ginger coordinator. Does this mean restricting who can download and use the wallet services? If not, it is better to focus on Ginger coordinator using Wasabi wallet instead of creating a fork.
In general, it seems that in the next versions it will only be allowed to use the Ginger coordinator. Does this mean restricting who can download and use the wallet services? If not, it is better to focus on Ginger coordinator using Wasabi wallet instead of creating a fork.Just like I predicted, we have a new censorship wallet leader and it's ginger :P
A new wallet is very high risk, as you said, there are already other wallets that have higher security. With a new wallet there is no guarantee that the money we store there will remain safe. The money you think you will use in Cryptocurrency must be taken care of properly and not store all our assets only in the newly launched wallet.In general, it seems that in the next versions it will only be allowed to use the Ginger coordinator. Does this mean restricting who can download and use the wallet services? If not, it is better to focus on Ginger coordinator using Wasabi wallet instead of creating a fork.Just like I predicted, we have a new censorship wallet leader and it's ginger :P
I don't understand why anyone would want to use this wallet when there are alternatives without any censorship, unless they have some connection with governments and regulators.
Their silly excuse was answered as reply to my question, they think criminals won't be able to use their wallet... ::)
Years ago when Wasabi introduced censorship, everyone was super loud. Nowadays people have started to understand that this actually helps the adoption of Bitcoin to the world and from topics in Wasabi, it turned out that users actually care about who they mix with, they don't want to participate in a transaction with money laundering criminals.
I honestly understand your point of view, but please also take a look at the other side of the coin. We, as a service provider, want to provide anonymity for those users who deserve it, and not for criminals to do money laundry.One who ''deserve it'' ?! :o
Other people can be upset about the censorship, but it is Ginger's team who takes a risk and not them, we are aiming to do our job in the most legal way.I don't think that Ginger wallet have any future with this attitude, especially when there are many other coordinators available.
What is even the point of an anonymity service if certain people are not allowed to use it?
Coin un-tainting service, that people from certain countries (IP addresses) cannot join?
I mean, this probably coordinates transactions from North Korea, and Russia (as it should be) but the developers scare themselves into keeping out transactions from the USA.
Then what will happen when other countries like the EU pass a similar measure? These wallets are going to regulate themselves out of existence.
1 BTC = 1 BTC. It does not matter where you are from.
I understand the position of these developers but Congress is not in a hurry to clarify coinjoins anytime soon and this is playing into their hands.
Developers get scared and avoid transactions from the United States mainly because it is the United States authorities who pursue this type of services. As long as that remains the same and does not change in the future (which I highly doubt) I think things will remain the same with respect to transactions coming from that country. I think that in this matter the Ginger Wallet team is doing the right thing, since they have no other options. From the "outside" things always seem different.
That is something that is going to be very harmful since it's basically announcing that "We are willing to limit our backend services to our own wallets, and vice versa" which reminds me a lot of Apple.What is next on their agenda?
Maybe going closed source, getting approved by WEF, and restricting access to everyone from EU and other ''dangerous'' regions in the world.
I am very curious about how criminals are checked and identified. Which algorithm decides who deserves anonymity and who doesn't?I honestly understand your point of view, but please also take a look at the other side of the coin. We, as a service provider, want to provide anonymity for those users who deserve it, and not for criminals to do money laundry.One who ''deserve it'' ?! :o
So if criminal politicians use bitcoin that is not in your registry as evil criminal coins, than you are going to use some magical powers to not allow them coinjoin?
I am very curious about how criminals are checked and identified. Which algorithm decides who deserves anonymity and who doesn't?Better ask them to explain it.