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The Clearnet URL is:Speaking of which, why don't you have redirection so that all traffic recognized on http goes to https?
https://anonymixer.com
(Must have https).
Thank you for your kind words. Work has been ongoing on this site for the past few months.. by the way, how do you like the Wiki?
Nice UI, no Referral links/ads, and everything looks good. +1
1) A light version (no java script) can be added.
2) Do you know if there is a mixer or any service that uses privacy bridges other than BTC --> XMR --> BTC? as some cryptocurrencies come with privacy protocols with low fees, such as litecoin MimbleWimble or BitcoinCash CashFusion
Speaking of which, why don't you have redirection so that all traffic recognized on http goes to https?
This should not be too much of a request, and you would avoid a "dead" link to your site.
This service has a topic in bitcointalk forum since January, but this is the first time I see it.This shows how broad BTT is. When I saw the link to BTT Ann thread, I hastily clicked to check and it has been announced since January.
This service has a topic in bitcointalk forum since January, but this is the first time I see it.In fact, I use my thread history as a navigation bar and try not to create new threads unless absolutely necessary. Therefore, when there is such an opportunity, I use old or irrelevant threads for new announcements (to avoid chaos).
I can't seem to be able to connect to BitList - not with my IP, proxies, VPN, nothing.It's the same thing with me. I have tried with several browsers and VPNs but without success.
The *documentation* website (docs.bitlist.co) still works.
What seems to be going on?
Pinging bitlist.co [161.97.100.183] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 161.97.100.183: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=55
Reply from 161.97.100.183: bytes=32 time=29ms TTL=55
Reply from 161.97.100.183: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=55
Reply from 161.97.100.183: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=55
Ping statistics for 161.97.100.183:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 29ms, Maximum = 30ms, Average = 29ms
As for the second part, I will find out..
Ginger and Sparrow wallet are listed under Mixers category, but I think there should be Electrum, Stack and Cake and other wallets, maybe in separate Wallets category.
This can be basic wallet comparison with information about privacy, Tor support, etc.
I think Electrum would not fit in "mixer" category, but in a new Wallet section.That is what I wrote, there should be new and separate WALLETS category on BitList website.
Maybe silent payment wallets could be included?Sure, that also would be nice to add.
https://silentpayments.xyz/docs/wallets/
The wiki is the docs.bitlist.co, right?Sounds logical! Added this to my to-do list!
Just a suggestion: I think wiki.bitlist.co would be a better name. As this is a wiki, not a documentation. Imo, docs suggests documentation, which is quite different imo.
Docs should explain software functionality.
I was happy to see a backlink to bitcoindata. I will add a link to bitlist.co too in bitcoindata.I find your tools very useful. By the way, I will also soon add it to the site using these parameters.
Site: https://bitcoindata.science/
Hashtag: Tools
Launched: 2023
Tor: No
Accepts: Donations
ANN: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5445282.0I think BitList website should add more open source Bitcoin wallets for comparison.This is in the plans... we need a little time to update the information about those sites that exist at the moment and then start adding a new section.
Ginger and Sparrow wallet are listed under Mixers category, but I think there should be Electrum, Stack and Cake and other wallets, maybe in separate Wallets category.
This can be basic wallet comparison with information about privacy, Tor support, etc.
I also added a link to BitList.co in bitcoindata domain (https://bitcoindata.science/donate). I hope it can help your website to grow faster in google searches.Thank you! Perhaps in the future we can discuss joint plans to have a common navigation bar for friendly websites that link to each other.
The wiki is the docs.bitlist.co, right?This has just been changed to "Wiki" :)
Just a suggestion: I think wiki.bitlist.co would be a better name. As this is a wiki, not a documentation. Imo, docs suggests documentation, which is quite different imo.
Docs should explain software functionality.
Does anyone here have an issue accessing the site similar to mine I tried to access the bitlist.co when trying to access it with the Chrome browser it shows the certificate invalid.
Does anyone here have an issue accessing the site similar to mine I tried to access the bitlist.co when trying to access it with the Chrome browser it shows the certificate invalid.
The screenshot is not from the Chrome browser interface, but rather an error message from Kaspersky.
This may be false positive, so if you trust the site, adding the site to the trusted list will solve this problem.
If it does not appear in other browsers, check Kaspersky settings.
Why is anybody using Kaspersky anyway, now that it has been relieved that it is sending your files to Mother Russia if they match a certain checksum?There may be people outside of America, some of them are even in Russia, so a local product sounds like a good solution to them. ;)
Even Joe Biden banned Kaspersky for American users, so I can't imagine anyone actually using this antivirus, besides people in Russia I guess (as being mandatory I mean, not by choice).
Malwarebytes is much better than Kaspersky.
The screenshot is not from the Chrome browser interface, but rather an error message from Kaspersky.
This may be false positive, so if you trust the site, adding the site to the trusted list will solve this problem.
If it does not appear in other browsers, check Kaspersky settings.
Well, I haven't experienced any issue of using Kaspersky since before and it is a complete protection for both virus and malware unlike Malwarebytes which is mainly protection for malware not for virus.Don't be silly please, malware IS a virus, there is no difference.
Since 2017, its use has largely decreased. I myself haven't used it since 2014. I think there are various geographical and political reasons that cast doubt on it. The US government has deemed the software to be a form of espionage. And based on this suspicion, they announce to remove from using the software. But as far as I know they could not produce any concrete proof.Why is anybody using Kaspersky anyway, now that it has been relieved that it is sending your files to Mother Russia if they match a certain checksum?There may be people outside of America, some of them are even in Russia, so a local product sounds like a good solution to them. ;)
Even Joe Biden banned Kaspersky for American users, so I can't imagine anyone actually using this antivirus, besides people in Russia I guess (as being mandatory I mean, not by choice).
But I agree with you that the time of Kaspersky software has long passed.
Don't be silly please, malware IS a virus, there is no difference.
Running antivirus non-stop on computer in 2024 is useless waste of resources and it doesn't actually protect you from anything except false positives.
Switch to Linux OS and you won't have any problems with viruses/malware.
I went through the website and found it mostly a web directory for Bitcoin. Why not add Bitrefill under the service tab as it is one place to buy vouchers, Gift cards, and prepaid cards (depending on the country) using Bitcoin primarily and altcoins? They have cash-back schemes for Bitcoin and a few altcoins and above all it is kyc free.I think it is similar to exchange but instead of receiving BTC right away is that you have to receive a voucher first. If I say, i think it's more like a service in my opinion.
Well, most of the tools that I use are only supported on Windows I can't just switch to Linux I have raspi running with Linux and I only use it as a server and for running and testing payment gateway.RaspberryPi has a very limited ARM version of Linux, and I am sure that Linux OS can fully replace all software applications, or install windows apps on top.
I've been running Kaspersky for many years but I feel more comfortable having this AV as my protection never experienced any issue using them with Windows 10 there are many changes on Windows 10 but the default AV from Windows gives me more headaches when it comes to mining and tools that I used.
I think it is similar to exchange but instead of receiving BTC right away is that you have to receive a voucher first. If I say, i think it's more like a service in my opinion.
Are there any new updates and additions of new services on BitList website?The same thing we talked about with mixers. Each service would have to go through a redemption period before being added to any reliable list. New instant exchanges are opened every day, I believe that many of them will not last longer than their hosting or domain lease lasts. Some trust, however, must be gained over time and with proof from the users.
I saw several new exchanges showing up in crypto space recently, also there are several new cards, I can't find GnosisPay in the list of debit cards, and this should de added.
Are there any new updates and additions of new services on BitList website?
I saw several new exchanges showing up in crypto space recently, also there are several new cards, I can't find GnosisPay in the list of debit cards, and this should de added.
Maybe adding changelog page would be a good idea.
I don't see "no logs" badge in godex. As I see in exch
Does this mean they keep logs?
The main purpose of collecting personal information is to provide you with a safe and convenient experience of using our service.
We may share your information with with law enforcement or regulatory agencies, as may be required by law
:) Good afternoon, we would like to see ourselves in this list, we are working for the second month without any complaints and have not a small deposit, as well as the administration of the project is not anonymous (we plan to do an official registration)!Zelenka is an unreliable forum that does not allow you to register if you use a VPN, which means that anyone who tries to get compensation on this forum is guaranteed to have to reveal their real IP.
:) Good afternoon, we would like to see ourselves in this list, we are working for the second month without any complaints and have not a small deposit, as well as the administration of the project is not anonymous (we plan to do an official registration)!Zelenka is an unreliable forum that does not allow you to register if you use a VPN, which means that anyone who tries to get compensation on this forum is guaranteed to have to reveal their real IP.
I also do not consider your second Escrow reliable, since I do not see that multi-signature was used. In addition, the conditions specified for receiving compensation are also slippery (including a 14-day period ... which is extremely short). Not to mention the point about KYC.
Good day, we do not understand your claims that we require KYC, we are a white service we comply with the laws we plan to register a company and will pay taxes and fulfill all the requirements of regulators, if you for some reason you are not an honest person you can not use our service we do not mislead anyone and do not hide anything! The fact that we do not engage in money laundering does not make us a bad or unreliable service!
Good day, we do not understand your claims that we require KYC, we are a white service we comply with the laws we plan to register a company and will pay taxes and fulfill all the requirements of regulators, if you for some reason you are not an honest person you can not use our service we do not mislead anyone and do not hide anything! The fact that we do not engage in money laundering does not make us a bad or unreliable service!
You seem open to communicate, so let me ask you these questions:
1). How can you promote the idea that there are "clean" vs "dirty" coins?
For example: If I pay my taxes, work honestly, and don't do anything illegal on the side either, why should I worry about someone sending me "dirty" BTC to pay me for honest work? And if I sent you so-called "dirty" coins without knowing myself that YOU considered them "dirty", do you really think I'd want to associate my real identity with that? In that case, if I refuse to go further with the verification process, will you give me back my coins without harassing me with KYC requests? Would you apply the same logic if you were processing cash? Do you think you are contributing to a better system than the actual banking system by doing this?
2). "we plan to register a company" : this means that for now, you are not a registered company.
This means that you have no legitimacy or right to request, process or store your users' legal documents.
Tell me, do you know that it is totally illegal/incorrect to request official documents without being registered?
You don't have any AML or CTF procedures to apply, because you're not even registered as a company. Please tell me, which regulator do you depend on to claim to be legitimate?
You have to do things in the right order, which is not the case when you're not registered, ask for people' legal data, and then pretend to "plan to register".
3). Please tell me the name of the software / service used to analyze the transactions made on your website, the vast majority of these software is worthless and erroneous/subjective (example: "AMLBot")
Good day, we are not a custodial service, we do not interact with your cryptocurrency when creating an oben in the order will be wallet binans, this means that we can work now without a license, binans is an official company with licenses for everything you need, if you are a law-abiding citizen and you for design services threw dirty bitcoin, you have the opportunity to tell us about it and if you provide information to prove it we will continue your exchange, also it depends on the case, we can give you your money back even if you don't provide anything if the coins are not searched by the police (if the coins are searched by the police and you prove that you received them for some service (legal) this money will not be confiscated)!Oh, do you realize how bad this sounds?
Good day, we are not a custodial service, we do not interact with your cryptocurrency when creating an oben in the order will be wallet binans, this means that we can work now without a license, binans is an official company with licenses for everything you need, if you are a law-abiding citizen and you for design services threw dirty bitcoin, you have the opportunity to tell us about it and if you provide information to prove it we will continue your exchange, also it depends on the case, we can give you your money back even if you don't provide anything if the coins are not searched by the police (if the coins are searched by the police and you prove that you received them for some service (legal) this money will not be confiscated)!Oh, do you realize how bad this sounds?
You are not licensed for exchange business, but you still give yourself the right to freeze funds to someone, are you serious about this?
You access here as an ordinary natural person, not as a legal entity. In which law did you see that it is even allowed to do such things, like confiscation of user funds?
Do you know for this case https://cointelegraph.com/news/german-government-shuts-47-suspicious-crypto-exchanges
Good day, we are not a custodial service, we do not interact with your cryptocurrency when creating an oben in the order will be wallet binans, this means that we can work now without a license, binans is an official company with licenses for everything you need, if you are a law-abiding citizen and you for design services threw dirty bitcoin, you have the opportunity to tell us about it and if you provide information to prove it we will continue your exchange, also it depends on the case, we can give you your money back even if you don't provide anything if the coins are not searched by the police (if the coins are searched by the police and you prove that you received them for some service (legal) this money will not be confiscated)!Oh, do you realize how bad this sounds?
You are not licensed for exchange business, but you still give yourself the right to freeze funds to someone, are you serious about this?
You access here as an ordinary natural person, not as a legal entity. In which law did you see that it is even allowed to do such things, like confiscation of user funds?
Do you know for this case https://cointelegraph.com/news/german-government-shuts-47-suspicious-crypto-exchanges
You seem to have misunderstood, we accept on wallets binance, and personally our team does not block anything at all, the decision to freeze funds is made by binance NOT BY USSo, me as a user I send coins to you as a Binance user. If Binance freezes funds, why do I have to give you personal information and how will Binance know the connection between me and you in that case, how can I, as a user, explain to Binance what happened?
You seem to have misunderstood, we accept on wallets binance, and personally our team does not block anything at all, the decision to freeze funds is made by binance NOT BY USSo, me as a user I send coins to you as a Binance user. If Binance freezes funds, why do I have to give you personal information and how will Binance know the connection between me and you in that case, how can I, as a user, explain to Binance what happened?
Hey Binance, I sent coins to John Doe, can you please unblock those funds a return them to me... ???
Isn't this quite complicated, even if there is an explanation, why would anyone use an intermediary instead of trading directly on Binance? no-KYC is not an excuse, because at some point it will come to that.
I can't deny that I have been coming across Bitlist signature ads on the forum, but I've never really bothered to check out or find out what their service was truly isYou see?
We have heard about honest people who are afraid of KYC like fire)It's not about fear, it's just that they don't want to share their personal information with any vagrant on the Internet.
Good day, we are not a custodial service, we do not interact with your cryptocurrency when creating an oben in the order will be wallet binans, this means that we can work now without a license, binans is an official company with licenses for everything you needWhat the heck is binans, and what do you mean you are not custodial service? :o
This is actually very good and I can't wait to see how popular this will get, I will be following the discussion here from now on, since I find Bitlist to actually be a good platform to get good information on the services and platforms listed on the site.Yes, without any doubt Bitlist is really a good platform to find reliable mixers and other services. The best thing I found about bitlist is that they aren't only sharing valuable information about mixers but about casinos and exchanges as well. I believe it'll get more recognized overtime.
Good day, we are not a custodial service, we do not interact with your cryptocurrency when creating an oben in the order will be wallet binans, this means that we can work now without a license, binans is an official company with licenses for everything you needWhat the heck is binans, and what do you mean you are not custodial service? :o
You are using third party exchange that are custodial and you are obviously charging a fee for this, and everything is custodial with this.
If you are trying to look professional than you are doing it in the wrong way, and sorry but you look more like some amateurs.
Bitlist is more interested in listing services that are non-kyc like mixers.
Binance, When we say we are not a custodial service it means we do not manage your funds, this is the direct meaning of the word!
Binance, When we say we are not a custodial service it means we do not manage your funds, this is the direct meaning of the word!You are just using binance custodial, so you are custodial service via your binance account.
There are other exchanges on this platform that have a KYC procedure so we would like to get there!
Binance, When we say we are not a custodial service it means we do not manage your funds, this is the direct meaning of the word!The thing is that, while you personally don't manage the funds, someone elses does (Binance). It's only "non-custodial" if the user is the only one with access to the private-key that holds his coins.
There are other exchanges on this platform that have a KYC procedure so we would like to get there!
Binance, When we say we are not a custodial service it means we do not manage your funds, this is the direct meaning of the word!You are just using binance custodial, so you are custodial service via your binance account.
There are other exchanges on this platform that have a KYC procedure so we would like to get there!
If coins get frozen for some reason customer doesn't care if binance did it, and they will only blame you.
I know many exchanges listed on Bitlist website and most of them (if not all) are non-kyc.
You can't find your binance and other similar exchanges there.
I want to remind you that we are not an exchange, but still an exchanger, and on the platform there are exchangers on which it is possible KYCYou are not an exchanger either. You are only an intermediary between the user and Binance. At the same time, unregistered and illegal.
I want to remind you that we are not an exchange, but still an exchanger, and on the platform there are exchangers on which it is possible KYCYou are not an exchanger either. You are only an intermediary between the user and Binance. At the same time, unregistered and illegal.
Our service recommends you to study the meanings of the words you use, we are an exchanger, maybe in your distorted reality no, but in objective reality yes ;)
To understand better the argument, I had to visit the change website to learn more on their services, and from what i gathered there, maybe it's true that they are an exchanger, but not an exchange, to understand this better, we have to first and foremost, under the difference between exchanger and exchange.Our service recommends you to study the meanings of the words you use, we are an exchanger, maybe in your distorted reality no, but in objective reality yes ;)
Not so distorted tbh, I tend to agree with examplens, in my opinion I see you more like an API reseller than an exchanger :)
To understand better the argument, I had to visit the change website to learn more on their services, and from what i gathered there, maybe it's true that they are an exchanger, but not an exchange, to understand this better, we have to first and foremost, under the difference between exchanger and exchange.Our service recommends you to study the meanings of the words you use, we are an exchanger, maybe in your distorted reality no, but in objective reality yes ;)
Not so distorted tbh, I tend to agree with examplens, in my opinion I see you more like an API reseller than an exchanger :)
The exchange (in my own understanding) is like an intermediary, a gateway for people outside cryptocurrency, and the cryptocurrency Ecosystem, that is, a medium through which people are easily on-boarded into crypto through and by offering their fiat for crypto assets (and a possible vise versa too)
And I agree with examplens, without the necessary licenses from the regulators in the countries where this services are available, which shows this the company is registered and recognized by the government of those countries, The change is running an illegal exchanger business, so long they are a centralized business.
Thanks for sorting this out, as we said we are planning to incorporate a company soon!OK, you should relax and stop polluting this ANN, he deals with other services as well.
Yes, Examplens is right, it's better to not discuss more about your platform in this thread as that's not anyhow related to this announcement thread.Thanks for sorting this out, as we said we are planning to incorporate a company soon!OK, you should relax and stop polluting this ANN, he deals with other services as well.
You have received some advice and opinions about your platform, you can accept them or not, I certainly don't need you to convince us of something obvious here.
I was even going to ask how did The change got into Bitlist discussion thread in the first place?, since I've gone through the Bitlist website and searched through and can find any where The change is listed on the site - or perhaps I missed it, then please feel free to correct me.Yes, Examplens is right, it's better to not discuss more about your platform in this thread as that's not anyhow related to this announcement thread.Thanks for sorting this out, as we said we are planning to incorporate a company soon!OK, you should relax and stop polluting this ANN, he deals with other services as well.
You have received some advice and opinions about your platform, you can accept them or not, I certainly don't need you to convince us of something obvious here.
Anyways, good we take The change discussion to their Ann thread, if The change was listed on Bitlist, I would have said it's not wrong to discuss about them here also, since we can actually discuss any service or platform listed on bitlist here as a way of learning from other user's experiences.Whether or not The Change listed in Bitlist doesn't stop them from discussing in Bitlist thread. I think Examplens noted that they wrote excessively in defence of their project while in another projects thread.
Yes, Examplens is rightexamplens is always in right. ;)
...You just started the story about them again, even though the suggestion was to turn to other services.
Whether or not The Change listed in Bitlist doesn't stop them from discussing in Bitlist thread. I think Examplens noted that they wrote excessively in defence of their project while in another projects thread.They are unregistered and have a strange KYC policy, maybe these are just some of the reasons.
Is there any special reasons why The Change isn't listed in Bitlist? Is it that they neither fall in exchange or mixer?
Zelenka is an unreliable forum that does not allow you to register if you use a VPN, which means that anyone who tries to get compensation on this forum is guaranteed to have to reveal their real IP.
I also do not consider your second Escrow reliable, since I do not see that multi-signature was used. In addition, the conditions specified for receiving compensation are also slippery (including a 14-day period ... which is extremely short). Not to mention the point about KYC.
Zelenka is an unreliable forum that does not allow you to register if you use a VPN, which means that anyone who tries to get compensation on this forum is guaranteed to have to reveal their real IP.When I said this I wasn't joking. Moderators are asking you to send a screenshot of your IP address when you register.
You just started the story about them again, even though the suggestion was to turn to other services.Actually, there is a big purge coming. I just don't have the time right now to analyze which casinos and other services actually don't ask for KYC. I'll try to devote more time to this during October-November.
There are 19 mixers, 27 exchanges, 46 casinos, 24 debit cards and 32 other services listed. More than enough for discussions.
https://github.com/icopress/List-Bitcoin-Mixers/
Btw / I hope you like the preview on GitHub (I spent quite a lot of time to make everything look nice). :)
https://github.com/icopress/List-Bitcoin-Mixers/Uh man this looks good. I never thought that Github could also look good visually.
Btw / I hope you like the preview on GitHub (I spent quite a lot of time to make everything look nice). :)
https://github.com/icopress/List-Bitcoin-Mixers/Github preview looks pretty good but I found a simple typo that should be fixed. I noticed Tor Mirror is typed as Thor mirror, of course Thor Mixer is awesome without any doubt, but that typo should be fixed to Tor Mirror. +1 for the awesome Github page of Bitlist.co, and it really looks great.
Btw / I hope you like the preview on GitHub (I spent quite a lot of time to make everything look nice). :)
I do not think either of the two you mentioned could be the possible reason why The Change is not listed on Bitlist.QuoteAnyways, good we take The change discussion to their Ann thread, if The change was listed on Bitlist, I would have said it's not wrong to discuss about them here also, since we can actually discuss any service or platform listed on bitlist here as a way of learning from other user's experiences.Whether or not The Change listed in Bitlist doesn't stop them from discussing in Bitlist thread. I think Examplens noted that they wrote excessively in defence of their project while in another projects thread.
Is there any special reasons why The Change isn't listed in Bitlist? Is it that they neither fall in exchange or mixer?
I do not think either of the two you mentioned could be the possible reason why The Change is not listed on Bitlist.
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:) Good afternoon, we would like to see ourselves in this list, we are working for the second month without any complaints and have not a small deposit, as well as the administration of the project is not anonymous (we plan to do an official registration)!Zelenka is an unreliable forum that does not allow you to register if you use a VPN, which means that anyone who tries to get compensation on this forum is guaranteed to have to reveal their real IP.
I also do not consider your second Escrow reliable, since I do not see that multi-signature was used. In addition, the conditions specified for receiving compensation are also slippery (including a 14-day period ... which is extremely short). Not to mention the point about KYC.
https://github.com/icopress/List-Bitcoin-Mixers/ (https://github.com/icopress/List-Bitcoin-Mixers/)
Btw / I hope you like the preview on GitHub (I spent quite a lot of time to make everything look nice). :)
https://github.com/icopress/List-Bitcoin-Mixers/Nice public domain license 8)
Btw / I hope you like the preview on GitHub (I spent quite a lot of time to make everything look nice). :)
I do not think either of the two you mentioned could be the possible reason why The Change is not listed on Bitlist.
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You can find some of the reasons in one of icopress' messages here:
Thanks very much bud @paid2 for taking my attention to the above information, I missed that obviously, and you got a + for pointing this out to me.:) Good afternoon, we would like to see ourselves in this list, we are working for the second month without any complaints and have not a small deposit, as well as the administration of the project is not anonymous (we plan to do an official registration)!Zelenka is an unreliable forum that does not allow you to register if you use a VPN, which means that anyone who tries to get compensation on this forum is guaranteed to have to reveal their real IP.
I also do not consider your second Escrow reliable, since I do not see that multi-signature was used. In addition, the conditions specified for receiving compensation are also slippery (including a 14-day period ... which is extremely short). Not to mention the point about KYC.
Well, I do not know but micr0s0ft doesn't seem to me like a company that would care about such links to censor it, except they now work for the government, but all the same, never a bad idea to have a backup somewhere, which I trust icopress already have just incase, as one can never be too careful.https://github.com/icopress/List-Bitcoin-Mixers/Nice public domain license 8)
Btw / I hope you like the preview on GitHub (I spent quite a lot of time to make everything look nice). :)
I just hope this links won't trigger someone at micr0s0ft, because they own the github.
Just in case I would suggest making a backup on some git alternative.
Well, I do not know but micr0s0ft doesn't seem to me like a company that would care about such links to censor it, except they now work for the government, but all the same, never a bad idea to have a backup somewhere, which I trust icopress already have just incase, as one can never be too careful.https://github.com/icopress/List-Bitcoin-Mixers/Nice public domain license 8)
Btw / I hope you like the preview on GitHub (I spent quite a lot of time to make everything look nice). :)
I just hope this links won't trigger someone at micr0s0ft, because they own the github.
Just in case I would suggest making a backup on some git alternative.
Even bitcoin is in githubSo was the Samourai wallet and tornado cash and they all suddenly vanished from github.
That is trusted service imo
Used by millions all over the world...
So was the Samourai wallet and torndao cash and they all suddenly vanished from github.I believe you're right with your point but it's still good to have some back up on a site like Github as many good services now own Github pages and majority of people visit that site and in their mind they consider it safe and trustworthy. I know we shouldn't care about the opinion of even millions because sometimes so many people can be wrong or they might be the ones who don't understand things deeply.
I could give more examples but I think this two is enough because they are related with privacy services.
I am not speaking empty words and I really don't care what millions of people are using because they are usually wrong.
Even bitcoin is in githubSo was the Samourai wallet and torndao cash and they all suddenly vanished from github.
That is trusted service imo
Used by millions all over the world...
I could give more examples but I think this two is enough because they are related with privacy services.
I am not speaking empty words and I really don't care what millions of people are using because they are usually wrong.
Well, I guess it's really hard to come to a conclusion on this, and the reason for this is because Bitlist as I believe many of us already know is not a mixer, but only a platform where such services are listed, compared and rated.Even bitcoin is in githubSo was the Samourai wallet and torndao cash and they all suddenly vanished from github.
That is trusted service imo
Used by millions all over the world...
I could give more examples but I think this two is enough because they are related with privacy services.
I am not speaking empty words and I really don't care what millions of people are using because they are usually wrong.
But those companies had very serious legal problems. Github were forced by authorities to take action.
I doubt BitList.co will have such problems.. This is a list of mixers.
So was the Samourai wallet and torndao cash and they all suddenly vanished from github.I don't follow crypto lawsuits because I'm not a lawyer and can't understand all the allegations and evidence, but I don't think we should expect GitHub to be a fully decentralized platform for all user content, or a guarantee of absolute security.
I could give more examples but I think this two is enough because they are related with privacy services.
I am not speaking empty words and I really don't care what millions of people are using because they are usually wrong.
I believe you're right with your point but it's still good to have some back up on a site like Github as many good services now own Github pages and majority of people visit that site and in their mind they consider it safe and trustworthy.Sure, I never said that github should not be used, but that another alternative should be there as a backup.
But those companies had very serious legal problems. Github were forced by authorities to take action.TornadoCash was not a company, and all mixers have issues, so I don't understand what you are trying to say...
I doubt BitList.co will have such problems.. This is a list of mixers.
In the meanwhile, seems like they just take down stuff that get too famousThis is how they operate, when lot of people start using any service ;)
It's not a big deal if Github takes it down, IMO. It's great to spread the word and get some SEO boosting, but the real data is on the website (8)). In the meanwhile, seems like they just take down stuff that get too famous (i.e when Tornado Cash was laundering money from north korean hackers).Going after services that become too popular is a well known tactics of the government, and centralized services that are possibly as well, afraid of the government coming after them, just the same reason why Theymos decided to ban mixers the other forum, as a way to prevent the forum from ever falling into the hands of the government to been seen a place or medium through which such services are promoted.
..Since you are here, and as far as I know you are part of the development of https://bitlist.co/ Is there a possibility for a small correction? Since there are several categories on the site, is it possible to create a specific URL for each of them?
Sure, I never said that github should not be used, but that another alternative should be there as a backup.During the 2017 ICO craze, I remember hearing about several projects aiming to be the "GitHub on blockchain", but most of them failed, and their tokens are now virtually untradeable. Nowadays, developers have a range of options like GitHub, GitLab, GitKraken, Bitbucket, Codegiant, Azure DevOps, AWS CodeCommit, and Gitea.
Self-hosting git is probably the best option but I see many projects are using gitlab.
Sure, I never said that github should not be used, but that another alternative should be there as a backup.Yes, that's a very useful suggestion, I believe that's the best one could do. Github should be used along with an alternative to be on safe side. Since we're talking about Bitlist.co, and it has its own personal domain name with hosted pages, and Github is used as a backup, and it would be better to have one more back at site like Gitlab if time allows.
Self-hosting git is probably the best option but I see many projects are using gitlab.
Since you are here, and as far as I know you are part of the development of https://bitlist.co/ Is there a possibility for a small correction? Since there are several categories on the site, is it possible to create a specific URL for each of them?I would even go step further and create separate pages for each active service.
Since you are here, and as far as I know you are part of the development of https://bitlist.co/ Is there a possibility for a small correction? Since there are several categories on the site, is it possible to create a specific URL for each of them?Great idea!
For example, https://bitlist.co/casinos lead to the casino's tab on the site or the link https://bitlist.co/debitcards will open the Debit Cards tab and so on...
Currently, the default is the mixers tab, and if someone shares a link in the discussion about exchanges, the first thing you get is a list of mixers.
It may not be the primary thing, but it would certainly improve the usefulness of the site plus a certain SEO aspect.
Great idea!wau, this was a very quick reaction, well done.
Clicking each tab will now go to its respective URL, just like visiting the URL will go to its respective tab.
Example:
https://bitlist.co/services
https://bitlist.co/debit-cards
Your idea and suggestion was indeed a very good one, I don't know if TryNinja is the one in charge of improving the site, the speed at which the suggestion was implemented is commendable and kudos to who ever is responsible.Great idea!wau, this was a very quick reaction, well done.
Clicking each tab will now go to its respective URL, just like visiting the URL will go to its respective tab.
Example:
https://bitlist.co/services
https://bitlist.co/debit-cards
Now it seems much better and more friendly to share it on other places ;)
Your idea and suggestion was indeed a very good one, I don't know if TryNinja is the one in charge of improving the site, the speed at which the suggestion was implemented is commendable and kudos to who ever is responsible.I'm the developer and icopress is the mind behind it.
I was even going to ask how does a service (like an exchange, mixer, debit cards, etc) get listed on bitlist? Is there any form an interested party gets to fill like it's done with coinmarketcap, or does the management of bitlist find and list services they like and find worthy?Like the note on the website says:
Your idea and suggestion was indeed a very good one, I don't know if TryNinja is the one in charge of improving the site, the speed at which the suggestion was implemented is commendable and kudos to who ever is responsible.I'm the developer and icopress is the mind behind it.
*Snip
Like the note on the website says:OK, glad to learn about this, was asking to be really sure.
If you notice an inconsistency or want a new site to be added to the registry, please report it in the discussion thread (this one).
I'm the developer and icopress is the mind behind it.I believe Icopress chose the best developer for BitList.co and that's why things are so good at the site. Icopress himself is also working pretty hard on the site and I believe it's going to be hub for the legit services and platforms and it can grow pretty well. By far it's the most useful place for the ones who look for mixers, casinos, services, and other legit platforms, and it's design is also quite eye-catching.
I am sorry if this was asked before, because I did not check all those pages. We were discussing something on Thormixer ANN thread and I was wondering if Bitlist.co has the plan to accept paid promotions.Sure thing that every business has their plan and that's how they get to make the money to sustain the business and keep it running for long.
For example, when we check the Mixers tab, currently there are 18 mixers services and I don't know how the sorting worked here. I see Mixer.money is at number one and Sparrow is at number 18. Is there a possibility that Bitlist is going to accept offers from platforms to rank them at number 1 or something like that? I believe every website has its business plan and Bitlist may have one as well.
But do you really think that the idea of accepting money to rank a website or service as number one on a reveiw and rating sites like Bitlist is really a good idea?I only speak for myself, not for icopress or Bitlist, but I think it's ok to take a sponsorship to put a service at the top of a list or in a separated #ad banner (just like some mixers already do on this forum). This is different from taking money to talk good about a service that hasn't actually proven to be trustworthy, like calling a brand new mixer "the most trusted service" just because they paid you off.
Well, I don't know how this sounds or look but for me personally, I do not think that's a good idea, scammers can take advantage of this to scam alot of unsuspecting persons who trust the review and rating of Bitlist, and this also could be seen as Bitlist selling out their users to scammers for monetary gains, or how do you see this?
Yeah, taking money from any mixer or any other service for sponsorship and or ad placements is simply a normal thing, completely different from taking money from the same to give the same a good rating and or review when the mixer or service haven't merited such rating or what is being said about them, this is exactly what I was talking about, and thanks for coming through with that clarification.But do you really think that the idea of accepting money to rank a website or service as number one on a reveiw and rating sites like Bitlist is really a good idea?I only speak for myself, not for icopress or Bitlist, but I think it's ok to take a sponsorship to put a service at the top of a list or in a separated #ad banner (just like some mixers already do on this forum). This is different from taking money to talk good about a service that hasn't actually proven to be trustworthy, like calling a brand new mixer "the most trusted service" just because they paid you off.
Well, I don't know how this sounds or look but for me personally, I do not think that's a good idea, scammers can take advantage of this to scam alot of unsuspecting persons who trust the review and rating of Bitlist, and this also could be seen as Bitlist selling out their users to scammers for monetary gains, or how do you see this?
Remember that Bitlist isn't ranking mixers as of now, just putting they up on an unnumbered list.
Remember that Bitlist isn't ranking mixers as of now, just putting they up on an unnumbered list.They are not ranked but it would be nice if we could arrange them ourselves by clicking on different parameters, like fees, number of posts, year of launching, etc.
[...] cus I've actually wondered within myself how mixer money got to the top, though I didn't bother to ask that here 😁.This is the oldest of the active mixers.
But do you really think that the idea of accepting money to rank a website or service as number one on a reveiw and rating sites like Bitlist is really a good idea?
Well, I don't know how this sounds or look but for me personally, I do not think that's a good idea, scammers can take advantage of this to scam alot of unsuspecting persons who trust the review and rating of Bitlist, and this also could be seen as Bitlist selling out their users to scammers for monetary gains, or how do you see this?
I assumed that this could be the reason, but maybe it should be emphasized somewhere, at least as a footnote. For the reason to avoid answering the same question again and to remove doubts about favouring a service. Bitlist.co certainly aims to be an independent and objective service.[...] cus I've actually wondered within myself how mixer money got to the top, though I didn't bother to ask that here 😁.This is the oldest of the active mixers.
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I'm disappointed... at least the person who made this list is extremely incompetent (with 100% probability I copied this list from some shitty news site).
UniJoin.io - Closed
YoMix.io - Scam
PureMixer.io - Closed (manipulation of public opinion)
tumbler.io - Closed
Samourai - Arrested
I have some doubts about the reliability of Coinomize :-\Just a blog article written for SEO purposes and which should show the Coinomize site in a relevant search. It's not like the goal was to provide the most precise data.
I only speak for myself, not for icopress or Bitlist, but I think it's ok to take a sponsorship to put a service at the top of a list or in a separated #ad banner (just like some mixers already do on this forum).Yes, I also agree that something like that is fully okay and there's no issue if Bitlist.co accepts such offers in future. Bitlist is a platform where all services, mixers, and other platforms are listed but only the reliable ones and if some new platform wants to get listed on Bitlist then a better way should be to run their banners or something similar to Google where they show sponsored on the sites that are advertised on their platform. I believe that service, mixer, or platform shouldn't be in the list but it should be either added as ad banner or sponsored ad link so other can differentiate between sponsored ones and listed ones.
You are absolutely right and I completely agree with you, a tiny footnote with greyed out color will serve perfectly such purpose, and like you have said, this is will help visitors learn that the sites are not ranked based on their trustability or reliability.I assumed that this could be the reason, but maybe it should be emphasized somewhere, at least as a footnote. For the reason to avoid answering the same question again and to remove doubts about favouring a service. Bitlist.co certainly aims to be an independent and objective service.[...] cus I've actually wondered within myself how mixer money got to the top, though I didn't bother to ask that here 😁.This is the oldest of the active mixers.
anyone with a reasonable explanation for this will be sincerely appreciated.Did you even take a second to open Bitlist website and see what is written on the top of the page??
And I am very sure you also did not take out some seconds to look at the Bitlist website to see the exchange list in the shot below..anyone with a reasonable explanation for this will be sincerely appreciated.Did you even take a second to open Bitlist website and see what is written on the top of the page??
#kycfree websites
It would be stupid and complete waste of time to add Binance and other centralized exchanges you mentioned when they are all asking for KYC verification and everyone knows about them.
I think you don't understand what is the purpose of Bitlist website.
Are those not kyc enabled exhchages? I personally have used shapeshift and changenow, and I can confirm that one cant transact on any of this exchanges without first passing kyc verification..Rather, I would say that this is a list of exchanges that do not have a mandatory KYC requirement. So in some cases, it is possible to perform a swap without passing KYC. While for all the ones you mentioned, it is not at all possible to use the platform without KYC verification.
Next time, get your facts right before posting a counter-reply on another user's comment or question rather
anyone with a reasonable explanation for this will be sincerely appreciated.Did you even take a second to open Bitlist website and see what is written on the top of the page??
#kycfree websites
It would be stupid and complete waste of time to add Binance and other centralized exchanges you mentioned when they are all asking for KYC verification and everyone knows about them.
I think you don't understand what is the purpose of Bitlist website.
Next time, get your facts right:o
Well, up and until now, and I mean this very moment, I can still deposit and withdraw from Mexc without kyc verification, I do not know but maybe this has something to do with the country or jurisdiction one is operating an account from..anyone with a reasonable explanation for this will be sincerely appreciated.Did you even take a second to open Bitlist website and see what is written on the top of the page??
#kycfree websites
It would be stupid and complete waste of time to add Binance and other centralized exchanges you mentioned when they are all asking for KYC verification and everyone knows about them.
I think you don't understand what is the purpose of Bitlist website.
Mexc didn't ask for kyc verification until a few months ago. I used it a lot without kyc.
Then they suddenly enforced kyc to withdraw funds.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MEXC_official/comments/1c5j52k/mexc_requiring_kyc_for_triggered_users_or_all/
Quit jumping from pillar to post bud, allow your hey to be hey, and let your ney be ney, quit the twist for I understand well the tactics, but lets just keep it simple, or perhaps, end it here, for I also won't bother replying to any silly replies anymore.Next time, get your facts right:o
Next time dont ask silly questions, because those exchanges don't have mandatory kyc verification.
I guess it's not that hard to understand for most people, with some exceptions obviously.
Note that I won't reply anymore to silly questions from anyone.
Best.
By the way, I was going through the Bitlist site, I checked the exchange section and discovered the limited number of exchanges listed, and most of this exchanges appear strange to me since I've never heard or read about any of them before, i was wondering why well known exchanges like
BINANCE
BYBIT
KUCOIN
MEXC
GATE.IO
OKEX
ETC.
Are not listed on the Bitlist site yet, anyone with a reasonable explanation for this will be sincerely appreciated.
Well, up and until now, and I mean this very moment, I can still deposit and withdraw from Mexc without kyc verification, I do not know but maybe this has something to do with the country or jurisdiction one is operating an account from..
My Mexc account is not kyc verified but I still use it to deposit, trade withdraw without any hindrance even till this very moment.
Well, if the likes of Binance and bybit won't get listed or added to the exchange lists on Bitlist, I think mexc actually doesn't deserve to be listed as well, since the exchange (without any doubt) falls under the very same category as Binance and Co, and the fact that it still can be used (deposit, trade, withdraw) without kyc verification doesn't not necessarily mean that they will remain like this forever, sooner or later, they possibly may or will start imposing mandatory kyc for users.Well, up and until now, and I mean this very moment, I can still deposit and withdraw from Mexc without kyc verification, I do not know but maybe this has something to do with the country or jurisdiction one is operating an account from..
My Mexc account is not kyc verified but I still use it to deposit, trade withdraw without any hindrance even till this very moment.
Well, so maybe MEXC could be considered in the list. Just like Binance used to be a KYC free exchange in the past...
Well, if the likes of Binance and bybit won't get listed or added to the exchange lists on Bitlist, I think mexc actually doesn't deserve to be listed as well, since the exchange (without any doubt) falls under the very same category as Binance and Co, and the fact that it still can be used (deposit, trade, withdraw) without kyc verification doesn't not necessarily mean that they will remain like this forever, sooner or later, they possibly may or will start imposing mandatory kyc for users.Well as long as they allow trading, withdrawal and other features without KYC then it's still okay if they remain in list of Bitlist.co but when they make it mandatory then it could be removed without much thinking. Mexc as of now doesn't want KYC to be used as an exchange however we all know that in future things will chance. The limit of withdrawals is a sign that in future they'll make KYC mandatory but as of now it's not mandatory at all.
Currently, deposit for me is limitless, but on the side of withdrawal, the maximum I can withdraw per 24 hours is 10 btc or it's equivalent in any cryptocurrency, and the maximum I can withdraw in a single withdrawal is $200,000 usdt or it's equivalent in any other cryptocurrency..It's certainly fair, 10BTC for 24 hours is not a small amount.
And if you ask me what I think about the limits, I did say it's fair enough, since I don't even have up to 1 bitcoin in my entire crypto portfolio 😕, so no worries.
The limit of withdrawals is a sign that in future they'll make KYC mandatory but as of now it's not mandatory at all.All exchanges have always had no-kyc withdrawal limits for larger amounts, even long before regulations and pressure on mandatory KYC started.
Yeah, you are absolutely right, all exchanges have always had a withdrawal limit even when the issue of kyc was non existent, and the reason for this back then was to prevent a single with a large funds from emptying the exchange's wallet, it's like what we see on some casinos this days where if a user wins a large sum of money, they won't pay him or her once in a lumbsum, but would either opt for weekly or monthly payment of the fund as a way to maintain a good bankroll for the users that are withdrawing smaller amounts.Currently, deposit for me is limitless, but on the side of withdrawal, the maximum I can withdraw per 24 hours is 10 btc or it's equivalent in any cryptocurrency, and the maximum I can withdraw in a single withdrawal is $200,000 usdt or it's equivalent in any other cryptocurrency..It's certainly fair, 10BTC for 24 hours is not a small amount.
And if you ask me what I think about the limits, I did say it's fair enough, since I don't even have up to 1 bitcoin in my entire crypto portfolio 😕, so no worries.
Does anyone even hold 1000+ Bitcoins on any exchanges?The limit of withdrawals is a sign that in future they'll make KYC mandatory but as of now it's not mandatory at all.All exchanges have always had no-kyc withdrawal limits for larger amounts, even long before regulations and pressure on mandatory KYC started.
So, kyc or no kyc, I believe every exchanges have a withdrawal limit, except for decentralized ones like uniswap and the likes.Not everything can be generalized.
Well, you might be right afterall, but personally, I've never really come across any of such limits on a decentralized exchanges, and I mean decentralized exchanges, not some centralized exchanges that offer swap functions like shapeshift and the likes.So, kyc or no kyc, I believe every exchanges have a withdrawal limit, except for decentralized ones like uniswap and the likes.Not everything can be generalized.
Instant Exchange has a withdrawal limit that depends exclusively on the liquidity balance.
Traditional CEXs behave more like banks and want insight into larger transactions. Hence the 1btc/24h (for example) limits.
I haven't used DEX platforms like Uniswap too much, but even there are limits depending on currently open orders, so you can't do withdrawals/transactions indefinitely. At least not to follow the current coin value
All exchanges have always had no-kyc withdrawal limits for larger amounts, even long before regulations and pressure on mandatory KYC started.Well, I agree with you, back in 2017 and 2018 era most exchanges allowed large amount withdrawals and KYC wasn't mandatory on some good exchanges as I'm still not KYC verified on some of the top crypto exchanges but now things are different after regulatory pressure and that's why only few exchanges might offer such withdrawals or not at all.
Does anyone even hold 1000+ Bitcoins on any exchanges?Some people are doing it for sure, otherwise binance wouldn't be among the the top of bitcoin richlist.
PGP Checker by BitList has been added to 5 mixers' sites :)Bitlist is getting ultra popular and making waves 8)
Some people are doing it for sure, otherwise binance wouldn't be among the the top of bitcoin richlist.I don't know why the model where exchanges are used as the default wallet has become so popular. I have noticed this a lot with freelancers where they receive their earnings directly on the exchange. I guess these are habits from traditional banking, where every transaction was known to take a long time, plus additional costs.
Binance is holding keys for all this coins, so effectively they actually own all this coins.
I don't know why the model where exchanges are used as the default wallet has become so popular. I have noticed this a lot with freelancers where they receive their earnings directly on the exchange. I guess these are habits from traditional banking, where every transaction was known to take a long time, plus additional costs.
Maybe I could justify when it comes to NFT or similar, which used to have huge transfer fees. Not for Bitcoin for sure.
I used to do that as well, and many people still do. For me, the reason was I didn't know how to use wallets, and I didn't understand how these seed phrases worked. Most probably, I didn't hear about the dedicated wallets. I guess I heard about Bitcoin and crypto from Facebook or other social media, and I have created a Coinbase account to receive my Bitcoin. Another reason was that the transfer between coinbase and coinbase was free. I didn't know about Binance back then. Mouth-to-mouth marketing is a big thing. Mostly people believe what their other friends suggest. That's not what a random online guy suggests. I don't remember who suggested Coinbase. But I guess it was from social media. It was easy to sign up and set a password and that's it.Long ago, Coinbase and blockchain.info were the most popular web wallets. Back then, they didn't have support for other coins, nor did they have exchange options. They used to be just wallets, which changed over time.
You forgot to mention coinomi, i am not very sure but I believe coinomi to be the very first non-custodial bitcoin wallet app though it's not open source.I used to do that as well, and many people still do. For me, the reason was I didn't know how to use wallets, and I didn't understand how these seed phrases worked. Most probably, I didn't hear about the dedicated wallets. I guess I heard about Bitcoin and crypto from Facebook or other social media, and I have created a Coinbase account to receive my Bitcoin. Another reason was that the transfer between coinbase and coinbase was free. I didn't know about Binance back then. Mouth-to-mouth marketing is a big thing. Mostly people believe what their other friends suggest. That's not what a random online guy suggests. I don't remember who suggested Coinbase. But I guess it was from social media. It was easy to sign up and set a password and that's it.Long ago, Coinbase and blockchain.info were the most popular web wallets. Back then, they didn't have support for other coins, nor did they have exchange options. They used to be just wallets, which changed over time.
Regardless of them, web wallets are not an ideal solution for holding bitcoins.
I don't know why the model where exchanges are used as the default wallet has become so popular. I have noticed this a lot with freelancers where they receive their earnings directly on the exchange. I guess these are habits from traditional banking, where every transaction was known to take a long time, plus additional costs.Also don't forget that most Bitcoin ETF's are held by centralized exchanges like Coinbase, and this are big players who are doing this.
Maybe I could justify when it comes to NFT or similar, which used to have huge transfer fees. Not for Bitcoin for sure.
Long ago, Coinbase and blockchain.info were the most popular web wallets. Back then, they didn't have support for other coins, nor did they have exchange options. They used to be just wallets, which changed over time.Yes, that's very true, if I remember correctly I opened my first Bitcoin wallet with that blockchain.info and wasn't sure what I was doing back then. I believe that when someone is new to Bitcoin ecosystem that person finds it easy to open wallets at websites then downloading software wallets like Electrum or going with hardware wallets. Things have changed in the whole crypto sphere, now there's more awareness about these issues and even newbies can learn enough knowledge then before.
Regardless of them, web wallets are not an ideal solution for holding bitcoins.
Well, I am not very sure but I believe downloading a wallet app have always been more easier and and more convenient than having to visit a website to check your wallet balance, but the reason why most preferred web wallet was because during the early days of bitcoin, smart phones were as advanced as they are today, back then, average smart phone comes with a pretty low inbuilt memory size which gets filled up pretty quick, this was one of the major reasons why most people back then preferred doing stuffs like this on the web rather than download an app, since skipping the downloading of an app helps them save more space and allows their device to run smoother.Long ago, Coinbase and blockchain.info were the most popular web wallets. Back then, they didn't have support for other coins, nor did they have exchange options. They used to be just wallets, which changed over time.Yes, that's very true, if I remember correctly I opened my first Bitcoin wallet with that blockchain.info and wasn't sure what I was doing back then. I believe that when someone is new to Bitcoin ecosystem that person finds it easy to open wallets at websites then downloading software wallets like Electrum or going with hardware wallets. Things have changed in the whole crypto sphere, now there's more awareness about these issues and even newbies can learn enough knowledge then before.
Regardless of them, web wallets are not an ideal solution for holding bitcoins.
Well, I am not very sure but I believe downloading a wallet app have always been more easier and and more convenient than having to visit a website to check your wallet balanceI would not agree that the download wallet app is the simplest. There are so many phishing and malicious software, for a beginner it can be a very tiring experience to recognize a reliable wallet and download it without risk.
That's true, wallet apps can be troublesome in most cases because no app store could really detect malware inside a wallet app and the users who use such wallet apps might lose their funds if the wallet app contain some kind of malware in it. I know web wallets also aren't that safe but for newbies those still work, and I won't say that app wallets doesn't work for newbies but those can pose some risk. The best is to go with either open source software wallet like Electrum, or some kind of safe hardware wallet.Well, I am not very sure but I believe downloading a wallet app have always been more easier and and more convenient than having to visit a website to check your wallet balanceI would not agree that the download wallet app is the simplest. There are so many phishing and malicious software, for a beginner it can be a very tiring experience to recognize a reliable wallet and download it without risk.
I would not agree that the download wallet app is the simplest. There are so many phishing and malicious software, for a beginner it can be a very tiring experience to recognize a reliable wallet and download it without risk.There are also many phishing and malicious web-based wallets. If you visit the wrong website, your coins are gone.
Does anyone know if Bitlist have any twitter aka X account page?Not at the moment.
Does anyone know if Bitlist have any twitter aka X account page?I am very sure that there is no official Twitter/X account for bitlist at the moment, as I believe that if there was, link to it would have been included in the bottom plate or contact-us section or part of the website.
I tried to search for it but I found nothing, and I think it would be useful to create official page there, since many people are using it to find information about crypto.
Sorry, I missed this comment..Does anyone know if Bitlist have any twitter aka X account page?Not at the moment.
I believe it's going to be helpful to create one for the site as majority of crypto users are now on either Twitter aka X or on Telegram. Bitlist needs to get more attention and that type of attention is only possible via Twitter. I hope soon we may see a Twitter page of Bitlist.Does anyone know if Bitlist have any twitter aka X account page?Not at the moment.
I'd rather have a trusted software like Electrum where there is no auto-updates. Remember that every time you visit a website, you're "downloading" the page again, meaning changes can be made on-the-fly by the developer.I agree with you on that, and I generally turn-off automatic updates on most of the software I use.
I am also a supporter of this approach, even though it is old-fashioned. Unfortunately, cloud services and applications where the user only has part of the frontend user interface are taking over more and more primacy, while everything that happens in the background is entrusted to a third party.I'd rather have a trusted software like Electrum where there is no auto-updates. Remember that every time you visit a website, you're "downloading" the page again, meaning changes can be made on-the-fly by the developer.I agree with you on that, and I generally turn-off automatic updates on most of the software I use.
It is ok to be notified when new version is released, but I want to control when the this update is installed on my devices.
Well, just creating a Twitter/X page alone will not automatically give Bitlist the visibility that it needs, neither will creating a telegram chat or channel for Bitlist do the same.I believe it's going to be helpful to create one for the site as majority of crypto users are now on either Twitter aka X or on Telegram. Bitlist needs to get more attention and that type of attention is only possible via Twitter. I hope soon we may see a Twitter page of Bitlist.Does anyone know if Bitlist have any twitter aka X account page?Not at the moment.
I am also a supporter of this approach, even though it is old-fashioned. Unfortunately, cloud services and applications where the user only has part of the frontend user interface are taking over more and more primacy, while everything that happens in the background is entrusted to a third party.Right, and than there are also smartphones that are mostly doing automatic updates from Android and it's not always easy to disable that.
That may be ok for social networks, and watching movies, but not for any financial service.
From my long time experience of using android smart phones, apps on Android don't update and install automatically except you allowed it in your app setting through googleplay store..I am also a supporter of this approach, even though it is old-fashioned. Unfortunately, cloud services and applications where the user only has part of the frontend user interface are taking over more and more primacy, while everything that happens in the background is entrusted to a third party.Right, and than there are also smartphones that are mostly doing automatic updates from Android and it's not always easy to disable that.
That may be ok for social networks, and watching movies, but not for any financial service.
As for Bitcoin wallet software I think that most of them have manual updates, that includes hardware wallets also, and I think that is a good thing.
Note that important security updates should always be updated on time.
~Snip~Well, actually that's really needed for proper growth of the platform, but at this stage even having a Twitter account of Bitlist is more than enough, and once that's set up and ready then the team might consider some type of marketing there. However, even without marketing it's still better to have a Twitter profile of the site, and once's it's fully up and running then we as volunteers of this campaign may retweet, the tweets to help it grow.
I believe this in its little way will contribute to Bitlist growth even outside this forums.. But then, the question is, is the team behind the project interested and ready for this? And by team, I mean icopress and Try ninja.
Yeah, this is exactly in line with my thought as well, which believe I mnetioned in the comment that you quoted, but that's by the way though.~Snip~Well, actually that's really needed for proper growth of the platform, but at this stage even having a Twitter account of Bitlist is more than enough, and once that's set up and ready then the team might consider some type of marketing there. However, even without marketing it's still better to have a Twitter profile of the site, and once's it's fully up and running then we as volunteers of this campaign may retweet, the tweets to help it grow.
I believe this in its little way will contribute to Bitlist growth even outside this forums.. But then, the question is, is the team behind the project interested and ready for this? And by team, I mean icopress and Try ninja.
I am just compelled to ask because as one of those selected to get paid for wearing the Bitlist signature ad, I genuinely care about the welfare of bitlist and it's owners.. What I am exactly interested in knowing is if Bitlist is currently generating funds to cover for the signature ad campaign expenses? Or is the weekly payment coming directed from ico press's pocket?.From the signature campaign topic:
Welcome. :)
- I would love to host more people, but this is a non-profit campaign and my resources are limited.
- I can say in advance that the campaign will last 7-8 weeks, after which I will be able to evaluate the results.
-snip-
I am just compelled to ask because as one of those selected to get paid for wearing the Bitlist signature ad, I genuinely care about the welfare of bitlist and it's owners.. What I am exactly interested in knowing is if Bitlist is currently generating funds to cover for the signature ad campaign expenses? Or is the weekly payment coming directed from ico press's pocket?.
TryNinja already quoted the part from the signature campaign thread, and I guess you already got the answer.
As you can see, Icopress already mentioned that his resources are limited. We can understand that they have invested an amount to run the campaign, and they probably are not generating anything from the website at this moment. Things can change in the future if they get some sponsorship. I am not sure if TryNinja just developed the ownership or if he owns the share as well. But it seems he owns half the share, and Icopress owns the other half. If so, they probably both invested the same amount to run the campaign.
I think with time, that will happen, but it does depend much on how they are able to develop the site, and also what majors they employ to turn the site into an income generating business.TryNinja already quoted the part from the signature campaign thread, and I guess you already got the answer.
As you can see, Icopress already mentioned that his resources are limited. We can understand that they have invested an amount to run the campaign, and they probably are not generating anything from the website at this moment. Things can change in the future if they get some sponsorship. I am not sure if TryNinja just developed the ownership or if he owns the share as well. But it seems he owns half the share, and Icopress owns the other half. If so, they probably both invested the same amount to run the campaign.
Well! I am amazed to see the team dedication for this project, as they just invested an amount for paying the members, and on the other hand, they're earning nothing out of this project. Although this is the fact, wearing the signature works like backlinks for the website, which, in short, generates the traffic for the website.
Yeah, for the current time they may be paying out of their personal funds, but I also would like to see it as the running campaign by the manager, and as of the current time only some members are getting rewards from the campaign, but as I said, I would like to see it as the big campaign where the majority of the people will get the chance to earn rewards.
Yeah, for the current time they may be paying out of their personal funds, but I also would like to see it as the running campaign by the manager, and as of the current time only some members are getting rewards from the campaign, but as I said, I would like to see it as the big campaign where the majority of the people will get the chance to earn rewards.
What I am exactly interested in knowing is if Bitlist is currently generating funds to cover for the signature ad campaign expenses? Or is the weekly payment coming directed from ico press's pocket?.I will give you a trivial perspective.
Yeah, for the current time they may be paying out of their personal funds, but I also would like to see it as the running campaign by the manager, and as of the current time only some members are getting rewards from the campaign, but as I said, I would like to see it as the big campaign where the majority of the people will get the chance to earn rewards.
Actually, it will depend on the result. Icopress is a professional manager who has been handling campaigns for a while now. But from an owner's perspective of a website/service, he will have to evaluate the result of the campaign. If he thinks it is generating traffic for his website, he may continue doing it. He could run a signature campaign for free if he wanted. There are a lot of people who would volunteer for his project. However, I would say they were generous with the campaign and wanted some high-quality posters to represent their service on the forum.
Signature campaigns do not always generate traffic for the website. However, they help the platform get some exposure on the forum and showcase its appearance. It will be tough for them to run the signature campaign for a long time, considering they are not making money at this moment.
From my long time experience of using android smart phones, apps on Android don't update and install automatically except you allowed it in your app setting through googleplay store..I was talking about Android OS system auto-updates.
Mate, Although it is not always about generating traffic from signature but it somehow makes a website's reputation high and if you do research about it you will come to know that backlinks help to increase website DA(Domain Authority) which in result makes the value high of the website domain. So, the higher the DA(Domain Authority) then the higher will be domain value.
Other than that when we talk about exposure of any platform through ALTT then it also helps the algorithm to rank it on the Google first page because when the algorithm notices coming traffic it starts to recommend it as the first priority when someone looks for such desired platform. :)
But considering they are not making money from the service yet, how long can we expect them to run a paid signature campaign?I also believe that they aren't making any money from the site yet but they're running the paid signature campaign still to show how dedicated they're about the project.
I see that with most services, the discussion link is most often related to their Bitcointalk ANN thread. Many of them also have ANN on altcoinstalks, maybe it wouldn't be bad to add that badge for users who prefer this forum.I have nothing against adding additional ANN for AltcoinsTalks forum, but I think it is better to have something that is more active and have more real conversation for specific service.
I have nothing against adding additional ANN for AltcoinsTalks forum, but I think it is better to have something that is more active and have more real conversation for specific service.For the same reason why many services use several channels for communication. X, FB, Discord, Telegram, Simplex, email, Tiktok, Instagram, LinkedIn... A real nightmare for someone who wants to adapt to different layers of users.
I don't care if that is Bitcointalk, AltcoinsTalks, or something else.
There's chance that in future if the site gains more exposure and traffic then they might recover the money that they paid to participants here as it's one of the best sites that gives such detail information about legit platforms.
Mate, Although it is not always about generating traffic from signature but it somehow makes a website's reputation high and if you do research about it you will come to know that backlinks help to increase website DA(Domain Authority) which in result makes the value high of the website domain. So, the higher the DA(Domain Authority) then the higher will be domain value.
Other than that when we talk about exposure of any platform through ALTT then it also helps the algorithm to rank it on the Google first page because when the algorithm notices coming traffic it starts to recommend it as the first priority when someone looks for such desired platform. :)
I do not disagree with any of your points. But considering they are not making money from the service yet, how long can we expect them to run a paid signature campaign? As I said before, Icopress could always run the campaign for free, and a lot of his well-wishers will volunteer for his campaign. I am not saying he should not run the paid campaign. The paid campaign gives them the best exposure.
When people are in paid campaigns, they put effort into their writing, and they write a certain number of posts each week. In comparison, when people volunteer for a project, most of them will write only a couple of posts per week because they are not getting paid for it. I wish the campaign continues, but as the campaign manager said, the campaign will last for seven to eight weeks.
I see that with most services, the discussion link is most often related to their Bitcointalk ANN thread. Many of them also have ANN on altcoinstalks, maybe it wouldn't be bad to add that badge for users who prefer this forum.A very good observation and suggestion really, I actually have seen this on the site before and did think about this, and was going to bring it up here, but unfortunately, I got busy with other stuffs and completely forgot about this.
Of course, with the exception of mixers that only have an active ANN thread on Altt.
For Bitlist, I don't think it will take too long to start making money because of the owner's capability. They have close contact with many platforms that may be interested in promoting their platform on Bitlist.I kind of agree with you, Bitlist's owner is an awesome person who's in contact with many platforms and who plays his role as a manager and that's also a tiring job.
Listening to you, it seems like it's an easy job to develop a platform from scratch to a reputable service in the community. The truth is that it requires a lot of effort and dedication.For Bitlist, I don't think it will take too long to start making money because of the owner's capability. They have close contact with many platforms that may be interested in promoting their platform on Bitlist.I kind of agree with you, Bitlist's owner is an awesome person who's in contact with many platforms and who plays his role as a manager and that's also a tiring job.
The clients who already know him will surely consider to market their products on Bitlist, but right now the site needs some good traffic as that's very needed to gain attention of the platforms.
The Bitlist is a platform that most clients will prefer because this platform comes with a unique concept and I know that the owner is a hard working person who will add more features in the platform overtime.
I kind of agree with you, Bitlist's owner is an awesome person who's in contact with many platforms and who plays his role as a manager and that's also a tiring job.
The clients who already know him will surely consider to market their products on Bitlist, but right now the site needs some good traffic as that's very needed to gain attention of the platforms.
Listening to you, it seems like it's an easy job to develop a platform from scratch to a reputable service in the community. The truth is that it requires a lot of effort and dedication.Well, it isn't an easy job at all to develop a platform and get the required traffic to it. It really requires tough effort and dedication and time to gain some success, but when we know that a platform is created by a reputable person who's well known for his brilliance then it's a sure thing that such a person will do his best to make the platform valuable.
I'm pretty sure bitlist.co will reach the planned level.
I noticed that there are users here who primarily use Altt compared to other forums, for such it would certainly be useful to link the ANN thread from this forum.Adding many links can be confusing, and it's not easy to do it on Bitlist and show number of posts for everything, this will create a mess.
Well, I just checked the site again, and the columns and my take is that it's absolutely workable, that is, link to a service on this forum and bitcointalk can be provided on the site without making a mess of anything, for example..I noticed that there are users here who primarily use Altt compared to other forums, for such it would certainly be useful to link the ANN thread from this forum.Adding many links can be confusing, and it's not easy to do it on Bitlist and show number of posts for everything, this will create a mess.
For mixers we obviously need to have AltcoinsTalk forum link because this kind of talk is not allowed on Bitcointalk anymore, and maybe on some other forums.
For mixers we obviously need to have AltcoinsTalk forum link because this kind of talk is not allowed on Bitcointalk anymore, and maybe on some other forums.Yes, that's really needed because it's the only forum for mixing services as Bitcointalk doesn't allow mixers and all those services that are somehow connected to mixers. Although, we all know that Jambler isn't a mixer itself and yet it was also banned on Bitcointalk.
Yes, that's really needed because it's the only forum for mixing services as Bitcointalk doesn't allow mixers and all those services that are somehow connected to mixers. Although, we all know that Jambler isn't a mixer itself and yet it was also banned on Bitcointalk.I don't think that Jambler is allowed in Bitcointalk forum anymore, even if it's not actually a mixer, after several members complained and wrote to theymos about it.
Well, a new step when it comes to promoting the bitlist.co platform. Takes top banner spot 8)This is great to see, looks absolutely good and fits perfectly well in it's position on this forum, happy to see that the team are taking extra steps to further promote the Bitlist brand to everyone on the forum, as well as visitors, it's commendable.
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For Bitlist, I don't think it will take too long to start making money because of the owner's capability. They have close contact with many platforms that may be interested in promoting their platform on Bitlist.I kind of agree with you, Bitlist's owner is an awesome person who's in contact with many platforms and who plays his role as a manager and that's also a tiring job.
The clients who already know him will surely consider to market their products on Bitlist, but right now the site needs some good traffic as that's very needed to gain attention of the platforms.
The Bitlist is a platform that most clients will prefer because this platform comes with a unique concept and I know that the owner is a hard working person who will add more features in the platform overtime.
For me I like hard working persons, because i believe that they are always positive about achieving their goals even in a competitive business like this.
For me I like hard working persons, because i believe that they are always positive about achieving their goals even in a competitive business like this.
This is the first website I see like this one. I don't remember seeing websites listing mixers, casinos, and other services. I can think of Casino.guru, which is a mediator service and provides a list of casinos only. I remember seeing top list websites back in 2013-2014, but those were not organized like how Bitlist is.
So, I cannot really say if this is a competitive business. I see this as a unique website that is providing such service. Probably some other people may get inspired by Bitlist later. But as I said, I don't remember visiting similar site before.
For me I like hard working persons, because i believe that they are always positive about achieving their goals even in a competitive business like this. However, i think with time there will be more advancements and greater innovations on the bitist platform.Yes, hard working people who are creative at the same time often achieve their goals and in the case of Bitlist, the owner is truly a hard working and a creative person and that's why I believe the platform will get success overtime. Bitlist will have so many new features I guess within a year from now, and hope it will be known to 100's of thousands of people worldwide.
Definitely a big yes in agreement with you, afterall, alot of great innovations and platforms started just like this, like it was a joke and overtime, it exploded into a great success, bitcoin is a very good example of what I am talking about, there are a host of others like Facebook, YouTube and so on.For me I like hard working persons, because i believe that they are always positive about achieving their goals even in a competitive business like this. However, i think with time there will be more advancements and greater innovations on the bitist platform.Yes, hard working people who are creative at the same time often achieve their goals and in the case of Bitlist, the owner is truly a hard working and a creative person and that's why I believe the platform will get success overtime. Bitlist will have so many new features I guess within a year from now, and hope it will be known to 100's of thousands of people worldwide.
This is the first website I see like this one. I don't remember seeing websites listing mixers, casinos, and other services. I can think of Casino.guru, which is a mediator service and provides a list of casinos only. I remember seeing top list websites back in 2013-2014, but those were not organized like how Bitlist is.There are others also.
So, I cannot really say if this is a competitive business. I see this as a unique website that is providing such service. Probably some other people may get inspired by Bitlist later. But as I said, I don't remember visiting similar site before.
There are others also.
Idea for BitList started in bitcointalk forum and I think there are several similar services that had beginning as forum ANN topic and than transitioned to full website.
Having ANN topic is great for conversation, but I think website can show much more additional information and comparison between different mxers, exchanges, etc.
I won't ask you for the links of the others. But I haven't seen any similar service yet. Probably because I do not spend much time on the internet except for the forums and Social media.icopress' idea with bitlist is excellent and I think it was created on the forum as a support for the services undertaken. Especially after the mixer ban on Bitcointalk. He has led campaigns for many crypto services and this is certainly a supplement for any project that wants to be recognizable.
~Snip~I fully agree with you and whatever you said is fully true. Personally, I'm always going to support Bitlist as it's a great project and it's owned by someone who I respect from core of my heart. The owner of the site isn't just hard working, but a great human as well. I will be happy when I see the platform generating revenue for the owner because from a great project like Bitlist I expect some good revenue.
Let's keep supporting in the best way that we can.
I just saw BitList in the top banner spot... very cool 8)The ad banner on the forum is good, it's a very good extra promotion for the site/service alongside the ongoing signature ad campaign.
It would be interesting to hear if any services contacted Bitlist owners and requested to be listed there?
Maybe it would be a good idea to add some type of Listing form, similar like kycnot.me have with Request page.
It would be interesting to hear if any services contacted Bitlist owners and requested to be listed there?That can be quite tiring.
Maybe it would be a good idea to add some type of Listing form, similar like kycnot.me have with Request page.
I just saw BitList in the top banner spot... very cool 8)I also just saw that after reading your this post and that alone seems pretty awesome to me. I believe it's the best step taken to market the platform as that banners is seen more often then the signature space and that's why it gets more exposure there.
I just saw BitList in the top banner spot... very cool 8)I also just saw that after reading your this post and that alone seems pretty awesome to me. I believe it's the best step taken to market the platform as that banners is seen more often then the signature space and that's why it gets more exposure there.
Personally, I think that after paid signature and that banner marketing, Bitlist.co should've already got some exposure and the owner of the site is truly doing an awesome job when it comes to marketing. Hope to see Bitlist everywhere as it's the no 1 platform to get information about genuine mixers.
Yeah Bitlist is doing great, through the marketing approach, it has been progressive, yielding some good outcome and i am hoping they sustain it.A great site with a great and creative owners often gets attention and Bitlist is one of such sites. I believe we are lucky to have a platform like Bitlist.co where people can get information about legit services like mixers and exchange and other crypto based services.
I think the signature campaign has also enhanced its awareness, many companies, organizations and individuals will definitely get some benefits from these promotions, a huge exposures.Good to have Bitlist here on the Altcoinstalks forum.
That can be quite tiring.Tiring for who?
I also saw here a complaint of some services whose requests for listing were rejected. Bitlist owner was quite categorical that he would not add all random services.
Applying through this thread (or the one on Btt) might be enough for now.
Tiring for who?
It saves a lot of time for the owners and they can select services they want to add or not add.
Nobody can guarante that some service is going to be listed or not, and it can be private, not public like in case with other service I mentioned.
:) Good afternoon, we would like to see ourselves in this list, we are working for the second month without any complaints and have not a small deposit, as well as the administration of the project is not anonymous (we plan to do an official registration)!
Am I the only one having trouble accessing the site? I just did a random scan on this thread and didn’t see any discussion about this - thus the reason for my post.
I wanted to confirm something on the site but it wasn’t connecting to the server meanwhile other sites are working fine on my device.
BitList is working fine from my side
I have also tested it and it's working without any issues on my side. There might be an issue at your end at first as no one else had such issue other than you. But, good to hear that now it's working on your end too.
BitList is working fine from my side
It's working perfectly on my end now as well.
There are many reasons why a service can be offline for a short time if that was the case here at all. I usually check on another browser or even another device, before I think that a site is unavailable.It's working perfectly on my end now as well.I have also tested it and it's working without any issues on my side. There might be an issue at your end at first as no one else had such issue other than you. But, good to hear that now it's working on your end too.
If the developer does some upgrade, the site may experience a brief dysfunctionality.Yes, the maintenance downtime could be a genuine reason but I don't think in this case there were any kind of maintenance or anything like that.
If the developer does some upgrade, the site may experience a brief dysfunctionality.Yes, the maintenance downtime could be a genuine reason but I don't think in this case there were any kind of maintenance or anything like that.
If the developer does some upgrade, the site may experience a brief dysfunctionality.Yes, the maintenance downtime could be a genuine reason but I don't think in this case there were any kind of maintenance or anything like that.
Server is running perfectly fine now.
I was thinking thst adding proof of reserves for exchanges could be fine. Exch.cx has
Friendly bump for visibility
Server is running perfectly fine now.Yes, it's actually run smoothly for me as well. I don't really know much about that proof of reserves for exchanges, but if something like that can solve some issues then it could be a good idea.
I was thinking thst adding proof of reserves for exchanges could be fine. Exch.cx has
Friendly bump for visibility
That is quite far from reality. There are rare cases where the instant exchanger provides public insight into the state of reserves. Not to mention that many use a third party as a liquidity provider.Server is running perfectly fine now.Yes, it's actually run smoothly for me as well. I don't really know much about that proof of reserves for exchanges, but if something like that can solve some issues then it could be a good idea.
I was thinking thst adding proof of reserves for exchanges could be fine. Exch.cx has
Friendly bump for visibility
Trusted Bitcoin mixer aggregators:Bitlist.co (https://bitlist.co/) is created by icopress from Bitcointalk (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1137579) or Altcoinstalks (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=profile;u=97414)
(https://talkimg.com/images/2025/01/17/WHH7P.png) (https://bitlist.co/)
- Clearnet site (https://bitlist.co/)
- GitHub (https://github.com/icopress/List-Bitcoin-Mixers)
- Altcoinstalks ANN (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=322018.0)
- Bitcointalk ANN (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5483310.0)
- Wiki BitList (https://wiki.bitlist.co/)
- Medium
(https://bitlist.medium.com/[/url)
@icopressI'm pretty happy to see Bitlist in the lists that you created. It's truly a useful platform for all crypto users, and especially for the ones who want to know about legit Mixers and their genuine domain names, and also about the legit casinos.
Bitlist.co has been added to this list as a reliable Bitcoin mixer aggregator. I've left the most important info I know.
Is there anything else I need to add?Trusted Bitcoin mixer aggregators:Bitlist.co (https://bitlist.co/) is created by icopress from Bitcointalk (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1137579) or Altcoinstalks (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=profile;u=97414)
(https://talkimg.com/images/2025/01/17/WHH7P.png) (https://bitlist.co/)
- Clearnet site (https://bitlist.co/)
- GitHub (https://github.com/icopress/List-Bitcoin-Mixers)
- Altcoinstalks ANN (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=322018.0)
- Bitcointalk ANN (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5483310.0)
- Wiki BitList (https://wiki.bitlist.co/)
- Medium
(https://bitlist.medium.com/[/url)
I'm pretty happy to see Bitlist in the lists that you created. It's truly a useful platform for all crypto users, and especially for the ones who want to know about legit Mixers and their genuine domain names, and also about the legit casinos.There are many sites, and blogs on the Internet that once made a list of mixers. However, for the list to be reliable, an occasional update is necessary. Most of these lists contain outdated information, and there are still mixers that have been shut down for a long time. That's why it's important to single out those like bitlist.co because they provide reliable information
Please correct me if I am wrong, but the proof of reserves is mostly important for services that are financially inclined like casinos and exchanges, but for a service like Bitlist, making public proof of reserve may not be the ultimate lookout for development that we expect from this project, since there already have the mixer at the forefront of their service, and exchanges plus casinos come later, so having to verify proof of reserve is going to be a big headache and for that I advise that their focus more on technical development than channeling such energy to proof reserve funds since the service I multi functional having 3 financial services in one projects.
I think any better ways to make the site running smoothly will be a welcome idea, and adding proofs of reserved for exchange may be an added advantage.
In my opinion, more upgrades to the site is necessary to enhance users experience. The more the site improves in near future, the best for both new and the existing users. I hope to see team step up every areas that requires upgrades to boost further growth.
But all the same mate your suggestion is good, proof of reserve will only build trust for the project from its community, but have little to nothing in terms of service provisions which is very necessary, so advancing their services and making constant upgrades is for more preferred than posting proof of reserves.
Of course, it is a good thing if exchanges have publicly stated proof of reserves. Users will have more confidence if they know that the exchange has sufficient resources and does not depend on third parties.But all the same mate your suggestion is good, proof of reserve will only build trust for the project from its community, but have little to nothing in terms of service provisions which is very necessary, so advancing their services and making constant upgrades is for more preferred than posting proof of reserves.
I wonder if KYC-free or decentralized exchanges have proof of reserves like centralized exchanges to begin with? The fact that a decentralized casino doesn't specifically hold a user's funds since users connect their wallets, make their swaps/exchanges, and everything is basically done on-chain, I don't see any reason for such exchanges to have proof of reserves.
Of course, it is a good thing if exchanges have publicly stated proof of reserves. Users will have more confidence if they know that the exchange has sufficient resources and does not depend on third parties.I fully agree with you if the exchanges publicly state their proof of reserves then that will be a great thing. But as far as I understand most of the exchanges won't show such details to public as they always bring that privacy aspect when talking about such things. They might have more reserves then they declare and that might make them pay more taxes if I'm not wrong.
Frkm what I know I don’t think they have since they both operate differently. Like you said, centralized hold unto users funds but decentralized exchanges are not like that they don’t hold anything and since they don’t then there’s no need for them to have any reserves - as long as they keep their operations transparent for users they really shouldn’t be bother with POR.
I wonder if KYC-free or decentralized exchanges have proof of reserves like centralized exchanges to begin with? The fact that a decentralized casino doesn't specifically hold a user's funds since users connect their wallets, make their swaps/exchanges, and everything is basically done on-chain, I don't see any reason for such exchanges to have proof of reserves.
I have noticed that there are no referral links used, when ideally, such a platform can easily utilize referral links and affiliate programs of the services listed to earn some good money from people who use the services through them, and I have seen a lot of websites doing that, but Bitlist isn't cashing on it. I think that's something we should appreciate because they are dedicated to provide us with good platforms to use instead of using us to earn money themselves. :)
I fully agree with you if the exchanges publicly state their proof of reserves then that will be a great thing. But as far as I understand most of the exchanges won't show such details to public as they always bring that privacy aspect when talking about such things. They might have more reserves then they declare and that might make them pay more taxes if I'm not wrong.reserves have nothing to do with taxes. The amount of reserves does not mean that this amount is annual profit.
I fully agree with you if the exchanges publicly state their proof of reserves then that will be a great thing. But as far as I understand most of the exchanges won't show such details to public as they always bring that privacy aspect when talking about such things. They might have more reserves then they declare and that might make them pay more taxes if I'm not wrong.reserves have nothing to do with taxes. The amount of reserves does not mean that this amount is annual profit.
Plus, avoiding paying taxes leads to serious fines + paying taxes with extra penalties. I see no reason for legitimate businesses to do that.
Proof of reserves has more to do with building customers confidence, mitigating risk of insolvency than compliance and financial regulations. In as much as proof of reserves is necessary in countries which take financial transparency seriously, I don't think this forms the bases for tax calculations. I think taxation targets profits and not PoRI fully agree with you if the exchanges publicly state their proof of reserves then that will be a great thing. But as far as I understand most of the exchanges won't show such details to public as they always bring that privacy aspect when talking about such things. They might have more reserves then they declare and that might make them pay more taxes if I'm not wrong.reserves have nothing to do with taxes. The amount of reserves does not mean that this amount is annual profit.
Plus, avoiding paying taxes leads to serious fines + paying taxes with extra penalties. I see no reason for legitimate businesses to do that.
I fully agree with you if the exchanges publicly state their proof of reserves then that will be a great thing. But as far as I understand most of the exchanges won't show such details to public as they always bring that privacy aspect when talking about such things. They might have more reserves then they declare and that might make them pay more taxes if I'm not wrong.Other exchanges are not declaring exact number of coins and proof of reserves because it's to complicated for them, especially if they are bigger exchange.
Of course, it is a good thing if exchanges have publicly stated proof of reserves. Users will have more confidence if they know that the exchange has sufficient resources and does not depend on third parties.
The importance of this was shown after the FTX collapse, who invested beyond their means, i.e. invested user assets in very dubious projects.
It was quite topical at some point https://coinmarketcap.com/academy/article/proof-of-reserves-these-exchanges-are-adhering-to-the-new-standard
Few reputable exchanges publicly list their reserve funds and wallets make it public for their users and visitors to verify their claims of having available reserve funds, having the new standard will be a lot of buster for the customer.Of course, it is a good thing if exchanges have publicly stated proof of reserves. Users will have more confidence if they know that the exchange has sufficient resources and does not depend on third parties.But all the same mate your suggestion is good, proof of reserve will only build trust for the project from its community, but have little to nothing in terms of service provisions which is very necessary, so advancing their services and making constant upgrades is for more preferred than posting proof of reserves.
I wonder if KYC-free or decentralized exchanges have proof of reserves like centralized exchanges to begin with? The fact that a decentralized casino doesn't specifically hold a user's funds since users connect their wallets, make their swaps/exchanges, and everything is basically done on-chain, I don't see any reason for such exchanges to have proof of reserves.
The importance of this was shown after the FTX collapse, who invested beyond their means, i.e. invested user assets in very dubious projects.
It was quite topical at some point https://coinmarketcap.com/academy/article/proof-of-reserves-these-exchanges-are-adhering-to-the-new-standard
Of course, it is a good thing if exchanges have publicly stated proof of reserves. Users will have more confidence if they know that the exchange has sufficient resources and does not depend on third parties.I fully agree with you if the exchanges publicly state their proof of reserves then that will be a great thing. But as far as I understand most of the exchanges won't show such details to public as they always bring that privacy aspect when talking about such things. They might have more reserves then they declare and that might make them pay more taxes if I'm not wrong.
reserves have nothing to do with taxes. The amount of reserves does not mean that this amount is annual profit.If it has nothing to do with taxes then those centralized exchanges shouldn't really worry about that aspect of sharing information about their reserves.
Plus, avoiding paying taxes leads to serious fines + paying taxes with extra penalties. I see no reason for legitimate businesses to do that.
If it has nothing to do with taxes then those centralized exchanges shouldn't really worry about that aspect of sharing information about their reserves.Bybit hack is one more example. Imagine if they hid their profits to avoid taxes, now they would probably have to pay fines for inaccurate reporting of profits in addition to the loss due to the hack. Double loss, right?
Actually, I agree that most legit businesses never avoid paying taxes, however they know most of the tricks to pay less taxes and still be safe from extra penalties.
Actually, I agree that most legit businesses never avoid paying taxes, however they know most of the tricks to pay less taxes and still be safe from extra penalties.Yeah, they hire specialists to maximaze their gains and avoid every possible tax. But all legal...
If we look back in past then FTX is a good example for us, they never shared their proof of reserves publicly and users were still considering them as legitimate, but their collapse showed another side of the picture.
Yeah, they hire specialists to maximaze their gains and avoid every possible tax. But all legal...I am sure all big companies continue to manipulate anything they can manipulate.
Big companies cannot operate illegally for long
For example, they could stage a ''hack'' and stolen coins, and all this evil North Korean hackers that conveniently and suddenly show up everywhere is not realistic threat for me.I don't think this unrealistic at all.
Imagine a country in total isolation for so long having the best hackers in the world.... yeah right :P
Bybit hack is one more example. Imagine if they hid their profits to avoid taxes, now they would probably have to pay fines for inaccurate reporting of profits in addition to the loss due to the hack. Double loss, right?Yes, that's a good example, and I believe other exchanges should learn a lesson from such type of hack. It shows that it's good to share profit related information to centralized system, and that way they can be safe from paying fines. However, I still think they do have some legal tricks to reduce taxes to some extent.
It will not be about paying fines only, the company would have collapsed because of panic withdrawals. It is because people are sure that bybit can bear the lose that is why it is still standing till now. So, making reserve public is necessary for every honesty exchange.If it has nothing to do with taxes then those centralized exchanges shouldn't really worry about that aspect of sharing information about their reserves.Bybit hack is one more example. Imagine if they hid their profits to avoid taxes, now they would probably have to pay fines for inaccurate reporting of profits in addition to the loss due to the hack. Double loss, right?
Actually, I agree that most legit businesses never avoid paying taxes, however they know most of the tricks to pay less taxes and still be safe from extra penalties.
I wonder if KYC-free or decentralized exchanges have proof of reserves like centralized exchanges to begin with? The fact that a decentralized casino doesn't specifically hold a user's funds since users connect their wallets, make their swaps/exchanges, and everything is basically done on-chain, I don't see any reason for such exchanges to have proof of reserves.They don't have reserves, reason why they also lack liquidity.
Friendly bump! BitList.co is still on top to find legit and reliable mixers, casinos, exchanges and other online services. I truly support this project and it's owner is truly a dedicated person who works quite hard and smart at the same time. Hope to see BitList.co to remain on top for as long as possible!It makes sense that way because a service as such with bitlist shouldn't be pushed to the bottom of this board so nice of you, I think is important that we start some free reviews for bitlist testing and sharing our experience this could help new users to get a guide as they explore the bitlist and its services.
Anything to review?Friendly bump! BitList.co is still on top to find legit and reliable mixers, casinos, exchanges and other online services. I truly support this project and it's owner is truly a dedicated person who works quite hard and smart at the same time. Hope to see BitList.co to remain on top for as long as possible!It makes sense that way because a service as such with bitlist shouldn't be pushed to the bottom of this board so nice of you, I think is important that we start some free reviews for bitlist testing and sharing our experience this could help new users to get a guide as they explore the bitlist and its services.
Anything to review?Yes, I think I also agree with Wiwo, I'm someone who truly supports Bitlist.co as it's a great site that gives legitimate information about genuine exchanges, casinos, mixers, and other services and that's why we can write some reviews about it so it can get more attention. I'm in for the reviewing and soon I will start exploring Bitlist and do my honest review about it, only so it gets more attention from the ones who read the review.
It will be fine you understand what bitlist is about. It's neither a casino or exchange that we will have to review, it is a project where mixers, exchanges, casinos and more are listed.
So, the best we can do is to draw attentions to the service.
Yes, I think I also agree with Wiwo, I'm someone who truly supports Bitlist.co as it's a great site that gives legitimate information about genuine exchanges, casinos, mixers, and other services and that's why we can write some reviews about it so it can get more attention. I'm in for the reviewing and soon I will start exploring Bitlist and do my honest review about it, only so it gets more attention from the ones who read the review.I encourage you to do such a review.
KingDen you are right, at first, I thought that BitList offers multiple services of a mixer and an exchange in one not knowing that the project doesn't offer direct service on its own, but rather live listing sites for those companies that offer mixer and exchange Services to get published for public accessibility.Anything to review?Friendly bump! BitList.co is still on top to find legit and reliable mixers, casinos, exchanges and other online services. I truly support this project and it's owner is truly a dedicated person who works quite hard and smart at the same time. Hope to see BitList.co to remain on top for as long as possible!It makes sense that way because a service as such with bitlist shouldn't be pushed to the bottom of this board so nice of you, I think is important that we start some free reviews for bitlist testing and sharing our experience this could help new users to get a guide as they explore the bitlist and its services.
It will be fine you understand what bitlist is about. It's neither a casino or exchange that we will have to review, it is a project where mixers, exchanges, casinos and more are listed.
So, the best we can do is to draw attentions to the service.
KingDen you are right, at first, I thought that BitList offers multiple services of a mixer and an exchange in one not knowing that the project doesn't offer direct service on its own, but rather live listing sites for those companies that offer mixer and exchange Services to get published for public accessibility.It's cool you understood what bitlist stands for. The best we can do is to mention it to people requiring the services it listed, mention projects that we think ought to be listed here in the thread and advertise the brand. I also think that the brand is doing well and will continue to fly here in the forum in as much as we keep this thread alive and there are few forum users wearing the signature.
Nice job team and yeah such a service needs more attention to draw the needed traffic that helps potential mixer and exchange users to identify them from the Bitlist site.
I have been amongst the users seeming Bitslist as an upcoming mixer. Now I clearly understand it's service and it's a nice one...QuoteKingDen you are right, at first, I thought that BitList offers multiple services of a mixer and an exchange in one not knowing that the project doesn't offer direct service on its own, but rather live listing sites for those companies that offer mixer and exchange Services to get published for public accessibility.It's cool you understood what bitlist stands for. The best we can do is to mention it to people requiring the services it listed, mention projects that we think ought to be listed here in the thread and advertise the brand. I also think that the brand is doing well and will continue to fly here in the forum in as much as we keep this thread alive and there are few forum users wearing the signature.
Nice job team and yeah such a service needs more attention to draw the needed traffic that helps potential mixer and exchange users to identify them from the Bitlist site.
Anything to review?Yes, I think I also agree with Wiwo, I'm someone who truly supports Bitlist.co as it's a great site that gives legitimate information about genuine exchanges, casinos, mixers, and other services and that's why we can write some reviews about it so it can get more attention. I'm in for the reviewing and soon I will start exploring Bitlist and do my honest review about it, only so it gets more attention from the ones who read the review.
It will be fine you understand what bitlist is about. It's neither a casino or exchange that we will have to review, it is a project where mixers, exchanges, casinos and more are listed.
So, the best we can do is to draw attentions to the service.
At first when bit list first came to this forum I whole lot was expected and at first, I even mistook them for some sort of service provider not knowing their wete listing sites for mixers and casino plus exchanges combined so year it is a great place to get a handful of companies that provides those services.Anything to review?Yes, I think I also agree with Wiwo, I'm someone who truly supports Bitlist.co as it's a great site that gives legitimate information about genuine exchanges, casinos, mixers, and other services and that's why we can write some reviews about it so it can get more attention. I'm in for the reviewing and soon I will start exploring Bitlist and do my honest review about it, only so it gets more attention from the ones who read the review.
It will be fine you understand what bitlist is about. It's neither a casino or exchange that we will have to review, it is a project where mixers, exchanges, casinos and more are listed.
So, the best we can do is to draw attentions to the service.
Yeah, Bitlist is truly a good integration of mixers, exchanges, casinos in one platform, it actually informative site and an obvious review is necessary to spread more awareness and importance of getting all you needed on the crypto space in one place.
I think a review campaign will go a long way to creat awareness and to spread informations about Bitlist to greater numbers of users globally. Bitlist is determined to position itself as a great platform to assess good crypto platforms like exchanges, mixers, and casinos
Dear icopress, I noticed in the BitList Catalog that the launch date for coinomize.biz is listed as 2020, which is incorrect. As far as I am aware of, they have been operating their mixer since 2019, which is why I am bringing this to your attention for a quick fix..!That was their launched year on BTT, most of the list are made with that.
Ambatman, what did you end up saying?Dear icopress, I noticed in the BitList Catalog that the launch date for coinomize.biz is listed as 2020, which is incorrect. As far as I am aware of, they have been operating their mixer since 2019, which is why I am bringing this to your attention for a quick fix..!That was their launched year on BTT, most of the list are made with that.
Though is 2019 on Bitmix so should be an error.
Ambatman, what did you end up saying?I believe it should be corrected.
Are you supporting that it should be corrected or be left that way because they launched in Bitcointalk in the year 2020?
I think in coinomize thread, they said they have been on operation since 2019. So, there should be date reconciliation if possible.
I believe it should be corrected.I think some typos can happen and those get fixed from time to time. BitList.co has been doing quite good in listing all legit services and it's still new, however in coming weeks on months I believe it'll get more attention.
I'm just stating where the error might have arised from.
At some point in time, we all have to build in the capacity to accept some little flaw from services that we engage with essentially when such services have to do wit decentralization such as mixers and exchanges this is why BitList has captured the minds of many privacy conciuse crypto users.I believe it should be corrected.I think some typos can happen and those get fixed from time to time. BitList.co has been doing quite good in listing all legit services and it's still new, however in coming weeks on months I believe it'll get more attention.
I'm just stating where the error might have arised from.
At some point in time, we all have to build in the capacity to accept some little flaw from services that we engage with essentially when such services have to do wit decentralization such as mixers and exchanges this is why BitList has captured the minds of many privacy conciuse crypto users.I believe it should be corrected.I think some typos can happen and those get fixed from time to time. BitList.co has been doing quite good in listing all legit services and it's still new, however in coming weeks on months I believe it'll get more attention.
I'm just stating where the error might have arised from.
Trustee card is missing from the Bitlist website and I think it is worth listing it.Yes, this card works great in Ukraine.. I will add this in the very near future. :)
Trustee cards have KYC but fees are good and they recently added physical card that can be ordered for all EAA countries.
I think that owner is originally from Ukraine.
https://trusteeglobal.eu/
https://trusteeglobal.eu/wiki/trustee-plus/how-to-order-physical-cryptocard/
Yes, this card works great in Ukraine.. I will add this in the very near future. :)Common icopress man, please show us some update finally ;)
Correcting such errors is very easy to achieve and Bitlist have been active and helping with their services for a while now and for that it better for errors to always get fixed regardless what and how it act on the site minure or critical errors all must be fixed at regular intervals to keep the platform clean as much as possible.I believe it should be corrected.I think some typos can happen and those get fixed from time to time. BitList.co has been doing quite good in listing all legit services and it's still new, however in coming weeks on months I believe it'll get more attention.
I'm just stating where the error might have arised from.
Moreover, Bitlist is actually a platform designed to have a list of genuine mixers, exchanges and casinos in on platform.That matter more than anything else. When it comes to Bitlist then most users understand that it's the place where users get information about genuine mixers, services, casinos and other platforms that are reliable. The owner of the site is hard working and a very reliable person. Those things matter. :)
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Project: Trustee (https://trusteeglobal.eu/)
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Several updatesIt's not a big deal, but you can also change the eXch address. Instead of exch.cx, exch.net is now current
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It's not a big deal, but you can also change the eXch address. Instead of exch.cx, exch.net is now currenteXch url updated!
As I said, it's not a big deal considering that the old exch.cx is redirected to exch.net, but it can still confuse users who don't know about this change.
eXch url updated!This was fast. ;)
I guess it would be removed totally after 1st may. I am not much understanding the situation surrounding exchIt's not a big deal, but you can also change the eXch address. Instead of exch.cx, exch.net is now currenteXch url updated!
As I said, it's not a big deal considering that the old exch.cx is redirected to exch.net, but it can still confuse users who don't know about this change.
To be perfectionists. why does this X on the tag not remove it, it has no function?I think something like that is fully possible and that thing might get updated in sometime.
Ok, I know there is a "clear tags" option, but it removes all the selected tags, X should enable the removal of an individual tag.
To be perfectionists. why does this X on the tag not remove it, it has no function?It was a bug which is now fixed. Thanks for reporting it. :)
Ok, I know there is a "clear tags" option, but it removes all the selected tags, X should enable the removal of an individual tag.
https://talkimg.com/images/2025/04/15/x143C.png
Very bad news. I started using eXch some time ago and it was always a pleasure for swaping btc <> lightning. :(eXch url updated!I guess it would be removed totally after 1st may. I am not much understanding the situation surrounding exch
Very bad news. I started using eXch some time ago and it was always a pleasure for swaping btc <> lightning. :(Have you tried using Boltz.exchange ?
I would consider some of the no-KYC exchanges listed on Orangefren.I think with recent occurrence of exit scams from few of the kyc and no kyc exchange, relying on a few of the well known long term exchanges with good reviews and some reputations becomes very important a choice for all of us and not only you, we need to build some level of confidence and trust before we can risk our asset on such exchanges?, most especially the no kyc ones
They have been active for some time, gained the trust of both exchangers and users, and the listed services have passed at least some level of checks.
I would consider some of the no-KYC exchanges listed on Orangefren.Orangefren is great service, more like aggregator for finding best rates.
They have been active for some time, gained the trust of both exchangers and users, and the listed services have passed at least some level of checks.
https://bitlist.co/exchangesBitlist is one of the community options we have. I just visited again to see the availables and I discovered that something could be added to the exchanges.