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Title: Germany sells 50 000 BTC worth $3 billion?
Post by: Lucius on June 21, 2024, 03:11:49 PM
Yesterday there was news that Germany started selling BTC that it seized from illegal activities (movie piracy website). It seems that this news has already affected the price of BTC, and in addition, the last 5 days have seen an outflow of about $900 billion from spot BTC ETFs.

Things like this usually have a negative impact on the crypto market, especially at this time of year when many people are selling a lot more than they are buying. I wonder if we can expect the price to go below $60k again?

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Read more -> Germany Begins Selling Its Bitcoin Billions, Triggering Volatility Fears (https://decrypt.co/236329/germany-begins-selling-bitcoin-billions-volatility-fears)
Title: Re: Germany sells 50 000 BTC worth $3 billion?
Post by: Faisal2202 on June 21, 2024, 03:19:10 PM
I was not aware of this news before and It really poses a great impact to the market volatility. I have been hearing the news that ETFs like Grayscal and some others did not update their holding information yet and the claims are there is the big outflow from these ETFs like you aforementioned. This is not a good thing though what most matters is maybe they are going to convert these amount into ETH as we also know ETH ETFs trading is also going to be started.

Overall, Its not a good thing that they planned to sell all of these BTC in such market condition as they should have done it via OTC or some other source to minimize the impact of its on the market. I hope market won't go below $60k again but if it do then I might buy some alts not BTC but maybe alts. And maybe I buy BTC as well. What would you do?
Title: Re: Germany sells 50 000 BTC worth $3 billion?
Post by: pmbug on June 21, 2024, 04:19:16 PM
I was not aware of this news before  ...

Quote
A crypto wallet labeled “German Government (BKA)” by the crypto onchain analytics firm Arkham started moving Bitcoin on June 19, sparking curiosity among the community. The wallet movements have led many to believe the German government is selling its BTC holdings.

According to Arkham data, the crypto wallet has held nearly 50,000 Bitcoin (BTC) since February 2024, before moving nearly 6,500 BTC on June 19. ...

More:

https://cointelegraph.com/news/germany-btc-sell-arkham-wallet

AFAIK, actual selling has not been confirmed.
Title: Re: Germany sells 50 000 BTC worth $3 billion?
Post by: Stompix on June 21, 2024, 05:13:36 PM
Moving coins to an exchange or a custodian service doesn't mean they have sold it yet, which actually makes things worse if this is just a panic sell without any additional market order pressure really applied.

Rather than those troublesome 50 000 BTC (which is definitely not peanuts, it's about 100 days of mining revenue so,), I'm a bit more concerned with the fomo or the hype losing steam in ETFs, 825k coins in March 20 and just 871k coins in June 20, 46k coins in three months will all the advertising no bad news no nothing, the most positive atmosphere we could envision especially with the talks about rate cuts.
Title: Re: Germany sells 50 000 BTC worth $3 billion?
Post by: Lucius on June 22, 2024, 02:32:09 PM
~snip~
I hope market won't go below $60k again but if it do then I might buy some alts not BTC but maybe alts. And maybe I buy BTC as well. What would you do?


I won't do anything at all, because I'm not interested in alts, and on the other hand, I've been with BTC too long for it to cause me panic. For some others who are always looking for their chance to buy cheap, situations like this can always provide a good opportunity, and why not take advantage of what is offered?



~snip~

It seems that the craze around ETFs has calmed down a bit, but it seems logical to me considering the time of year. Investors who buy in this way are motivated exclusively by profit, and those who bought in the days/weeks after approval are certainly satisfied with the profit they made.

As for the 50 000 BTC that are in the possession of the German government, there is no logic in moving them to CEXs if they don't want to sell them - although logic is not something that adorns politicians and those who serve them.
Title: Re: Germany sells 50 000 BTC worth $3 billion?
Post by: Faisal2202 on June 22, 2024, 08:16:53 PM
More:
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AFAIK, actual selling has not been confirmed.
Thanks for the information, I also can't confirm if the BTC has been sold or not, but if they have been moved in Kraken and Bitstamp exchanges then the chances of them being sold are 99%. As otherwise they won't be moved there. Maybe they already have sold it or maybe are waiting for a better chance to sell them.

One thing I would like to say, in the Cointelegraph they said, the funds were moved into two exchanges (Kraken and Bitstamp) while in the tweet the OP has quoted above, said, the funds were probably deposited on the Coinbase exchange. Why cointelegraph did not mention Coinbase here? It's really confusing. We should check things by ourselves next time, as I also find a mistake on arkhams data when they said someone mistakenly sent BTC to Satoshi address and made the value 100.4 while it was 100.04. +1 for you.
Title: Re: Germany sells 50 000 BTC worth $3 billion?
Post by: electronicash on June 22, 2024, 09:44:14 PM

well if they move it to the exchange then its there for such purpose. 

they exclude binance among the exchange to send. if this is an individual, he  gotta be the worse trader of all in sending to the exchange that has less volume, which the reason for sending the to 3 exchanges. 50 000 BTC is going to scare holders if its sent to binance and all the traders gets ti signal that a huge amount of coins coming in.
Title: Re: Germany sells 50 000 BTC worth $3 billion?
Post by: God Of Thunder on June 23, 2024, 04:36:34 PM
Things like this usually have a negative impact on the crypto market, especially at this time of year when many people are selling a lot more than they are buying. I wonder if we can expect the price to go below $60k again?

Well, the spot ETF market is already affecting the market a lot, as I believe the current market is moving with the ETF market's inflow or outflow. It's pretty much moving with the ETF market. But if negative news like this one gets published, of course, it will affect the market as well and we are already seeing the movement. But I am not worried about Germany selling their Bitcoins. I am worried about the Spot ETF market as Bitcoin market is started to rely on the ETF market movement. It's getting more centralized because of the ETF market. Let's see if we break the 60K support again.
Title: Re: Germany sells 50 000 BTC worth $3 billion?
Post by: Stompix on June 24, 2024, 11:03:54 AM
they exclude binance among the exchange to send. if this is an individual, he  gotta be the worse trader of all in sending to the exchange that has less volume, which the reason for sending the to 3 exchanges.

You never actually think twice before saying something and labeling others as stupid without bothering to check why, do you?

Binance has no license to operate in Germany
https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2023/06/29/binance-crypto-custody-license-application-denied-by-german-regulator-bafin-report/
How do you expect a government agency to send money to an exchange that has been banned from operating in Germany?


Title: Re: Germany sells 50 000 BTC worth $3 billion?
Post by: electronicash on June 24, 2024, 09:26:46 PM
they exclude binance among the exchange to send. if this is an individual, he  gotta be the worse trader of all in sending to the exchange that has less volume, which the reason for sending the to 3 exchanges.

You never actually think twice before saying something and labeling others as stupid without bothering to check why, do you?


oh no. i said "IF this is an individual".  its my first tongue but i did learn from Jared Bernstein. hes a cool guy. confident too and not easily carried away.

Things like this usually have a negative impact on the crypto market, especially at this time of year when many people are selling a lot more than they are buying. I wonder if we can expect the price to go below $60k again?

Well, the spot ETF market is already affecting the market a lot, as I believe the current market is moving with the ETF market's inflow or outflow. It's pretty much moving with the ETF market. But if negative news like this one gets published, of course, it will affect the market as well and we are already seeing the movement. But I am not worried about Germany selling their Bitcoins. I am worried about the Spot ETF market as Bitcoin market is started to rely on the ETF market movement. It's getting more centralized because of the ETF market. Let's see if we break the 60K support again.

and it looks very coordinated since MtGox is also distributing their coins. its due though so the price will really dump the sooner the better for the market's momentum when it bounces back.

its an amazing story especially when a crook voluntarily send coins they earn from subscription and advertising while BTC at that time is not widely adopted.

Title: Re: Germany sells 50 000 BTC worth $3 billion?
Post by: pakhitheboss on June 26, 2024, 10:05:02 AM
Mt. Gox to Begin Repayments in July; BTC Slides Under $61K (https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2024/06/24/mt-gox-to-begin-bitcoin-bitcoin-cash-repayments-in-july/). Well! Bitcoin has shown some recovery today and is now trading above $61k. Next month when the repayment starts we may see Bitcoin going below $59k. Mt. Gox is supposed to return 140,000  and if it does then those who will receive them will not hold as most of them will sell them in the current market price.
Title: Re: Germany sells 50 000 BTC worth $3 billion?
Post by: Lucius on June 26, 2024, 04:40:28 PM
~snip~
Mt. Gox is supposed to return 140,000  and if it does then those who will receive them will not hold as most of them will sell them in the current market price.


Those who were looking for cash as a payment allegedly already received it, so those who are waiting for BTC/BCH probably have a reason to keep their coins at least for a while. In addition, it seems to me that the payments will last for months and that it will not be possible to create pressure on the market.

What causes far more damage is the news, which by itself carries a bad vibe and obviously has an effect on the price in combination with other bad news.
Title: Re: Germany sells 50 000 BTC worth $3 billion?
Post by: Stompix on June 26, 2024, 07:56:59 PM
Those who were looking for cash as a payment allegedly already received it, so those who are waiting for BTC/BCH probably have a reason to keep their coins at least for a while. In addition, it seems to me that the payments will last for months and that it will not be possible to create pressure on the market.

The ones that held coins on MtGox had no choice, the reimbursement plan voted had no option to award you the value in fiat, the guys that held any kind of fiat on MtGox at the time of the crash were paid in yen, the ones that had coins will get a mix of BTC/BCH and yen, so nobody can be sure what they will do, after all, it's money that has been looked for a decade, it's a bit long even for the diehard hodlers.
Title: Re: Germany sells 50 000 BTC worth $3 billion?
Post by: TomPluz on June 27, 2024, 03:06:14 AM
Things like this usually have a negative impact on the crypto market, especially at this time of year when many people are selling a lot more than they are buying. I wonder if we can expect the price to go below $60k again?

As I am seeing it, there is a big possibility for Bitcoin to go below $60K and even march towards $55K if there can be no plugged done to stop the selling pressures from different sources. This is just how the market is working...when there are big holders selling their BTC the price has the tendency to react and go down accordingly. Nothing surprising in there. Now, all we can do is HODL and just WAIT all because BTC will eventually return to where it should be...and we will even be surprised that it is already approaching $100K...but this can happen maybe months from now if not in the 2nd quarter of 2025.

Title: Re: Germany sells 50 000 BTC worth $3 billion?
Post by: pakhitheboss on June 27, 2024, 07:53:33 AM
What causes far more damage is the news, which by itself carries a bad vibe and obviously has an effect on the price in combination with other bad news.

Another news that might not help the current Bitcoin price is coming from the US. U.S. government sends 3,940 Bitcoin to Coinbase exchange (https://cointelegraph.com/news/u-s-government-sends-3-940-bitcoin-coinbase-exchange). There is a few that the government might sell these Bitcoins. I have not seen the market react to the news sharply. Inam assuming that the price of Bitcoin will hold onto its current position.
Title: Re: Germany sells 50 000 BTC worth $3 billion?
Post by: Lucius on June 28, 2024, 03:02:49 PM
@pakhitheboss, every time a government sells BTC it shows what hypocrites they really are - on the one hand, they do everything to discourage people from investing in BTC, but they have nothing against profiting from it themselves. If BTC bothers them so much, why don't they just burn the private keys? Of course, there is a "small problem" because that would only increase the price of other coins on the market :)
Title: Re: Germany sells 50 000 BTC worth $3 billion?
Post by: pakhitheboss on July 04, 2024, 10:31:35 AM
This Mt Gox news is causing panic selling of Bitcoin in the market. After 2 months today, Bitcoin fell below $59K which was not expected. I was expecting selling pressure from the victims of the hack after they started receiving their Bitcoin. Too many negative news are causing Bitcoin prices to go down from last month. I am expecting the market to over react more when the first trench of Bitcoins will be send to the viticms.
Title: Re: Germany sells 50 000 BTC worth $3 billion?
Post by: Stompix on July 04, 2024, 02:31:56 PM
This Mt Gox news is causing panic selling of Bitcoin in the market. After 2 months today, Bitcoin fell below $59K which was not expected. I was expecting selling pressure from the victims of the hack after they started receiving their Bitcoin.

Actually, this is about Germany 50 000 BTC, and the worst part is
- we have crashed to 57k without anything really bad happening
- MtGox coins have not moved and according to the latest releases it will take at least 30 days for both exchanges to clear the sums received from the trustee, so no selling for a month
- Germany has not moved out of their main address more than 11 000 BTC (so 1/5) and even those can't be completely considered sold.

So we lost 10% on at most 1/20 of the coins that will be for sell in one month maybe being put on the market
Title: Re: Germany sells 50 000 BTC worth $3 billion?
Post by: Faisal2202 on July 06, 2024, 06:16:54 PM
AFAIK, actual selling has not been confirmed.
Now it's confirmed haha, sorry I was late to reply to you, as I had so many pending replies to give other members it's hard to manage all of them, I have to bookmark each now I am replying to them as soon as possible.
Title: Re: Germany sells 50 000 BTC worth $3 billion?
Post by: NotATether on July 07, 2024, 05:22:01 AM
Mt. Gox to Begin Repayments in July; BTC Slides Under $61K (https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2024/06/24/mt-gox-to-begin-bitcoin-bitcoin-cash-repayments-in-july/). Well! Bitcoin has shown some recovery today and is now trading above $61k. Next month when the repayment starts we may see Bitcoin going below $59k. Mt. Gox is supposed to return 140,000  and if it does then those who will receive them will not hold as most of them will sell them in the current market price.

The big boys are dumping their coins!

The only way this could get worse (or funnier, depending on how you look at this) is if the FBI suddenly decides to dump their coins too.

Oh wait, they already have! https://www.gsaauctions.gov/auctions/home

The above site is owned by the feds where they auction all their seized stuff.

They even auction bitcoins too: https://www.gsaauctions.gov/auctions/auctions-list?page=1&size=50&searchType=ALL_WORDS&searchText=bitcoin&status=closed&advanced=false

There are no active crypto auctions right now, somebody must have bought them all up. Good for them if they did, since this site sells stuff at steep discounts because the Feds, as we all know, are only interest in cash.
Title: Re: Germany sells 50 000 BTC worth $3 billion?
Post by: Lucius on July 07, 2024, 03:33:56 PM
It seems that the German government has discovered the benefits of crypto trading (if we can call it that). According to the information that appeared, Germany bought a little less than 2000 BTC, and with all the inflows and outflows, it seems that they now own about 40 000 BTC. The game continues...

Quote from: https://coinedition.com/germanys-surprise-111-million-bitcoin-buyback/
In a surprising reversal, the German government, known for the recent large-scale Bitcoin sell-offs, has just bought back a significant amount of the BTC. Data from Arkham Intelligence reveals a purchase of 1,915 BTC, worth $111.5 million, from major exchanges Kraken, Bitstamp, and Coinbase. --- Amid the inflows and outflows, the government wallet now holds 40,526 BTC worth over $2.29 billion.
Title: Re: Germany sells 50 000 BTC worth $3 billion?
Post by: SamReomo on July 07, 2024, 03:48:05 PM
Now it's confirmed
Yes, it's confirmed and I'm quite sure they'll keep selling more of their Bitcoin holdings next month or maybe in this month.

They were doing it aggressively before but now the German government will do it by following a good strategy.

The market is still not recovered and we may see more FUD or selling pressure next month. I'm pretty sure they're already working on a good strategy to sell their remaining Bitcoin holdings.
Title: Re: Germany sells 50 000 BTC worth $3 billion?
Post by: bee on July 09, 2024, 02:18:01 PM
It seems that the German government has discovered the benefits of crypto trading (if we can call it that). According to the information that appeared, Germany bought a little less than 2000 BTC, and with all the inflows and outflows, it seems that they now own about 40 000 BTC. The game continues...
Germany seems to be enjoying and making good use of the power of the news media to increase the number of holdings. Another assumption, perhaps due to a suggestion from one of their MPs: https://cointelegraph.com/news/german-mp-urge-government-stop-selling-bitcoin
Quote
German lawmaker and Bitcoin activist Joana Cotar has urged the government to stop its “hasty” Bitcoin selling spree and adopt it as a “strategic reserve currency” to shield against risks in the traditional system.
In fact, this advice had a good effect (if indeed thanks to that) in stopping the panic, but with large amounts of bitcoin still in the hands of institutions it could be another worry in the future where the same scenario could occur.
Title: Re: Germany sells 50 000 BTC worth $3 billion?
Post by: Lucius on July 09, 2024, 03:41:24 PM
@bee, I wonder who even manages that BTC when their decisions are influenced by some activist who didn't remember to tell them before they decided on their summer crypto adventure. It all looks very amateurish and without a plan, and honestly it would be best for everyone if they sell as soon as possible - because if they play with that BTC, the whole drama will last for months.

If they wanted to get rid of that "burden", they could simply donate everything to good causes - there are organizations in the world that would know how to use that money for good purposes.
Title: Re: Germany sells 50 000 BTC worth $3 billion?
Post by: Stompix on July 09, 2024, 04:32:07 PM
The game continues...
Quote from: https://coinedition.com/germanys-surprise-111-million-bitcoin-buyback/
In a surprising reversal, the German government, known for the recent large-scale Bitcoin sell-offs, has just bought back a significant amount of the BTC. Data from Arkham Intelligence reveals a purchase of 1,915 BTC, worth $111.5 million, from major exchanges Kraken, Bitstamp, and Coinbase. --- Amid the inflows and outflows, the government wallet now holds 40,526 BTC worth over $2.29 billion.

Those guys should really understand that someone moving coins to an exchange doesn't mean it has sold and someone moving out doesn't mean they have bought, they could have simply sent a few million then decided to not sell all and got it back.

Plus, the whole thing becomes ridiculous since immediately after that funds have again gone back to Kraken!
Not to mention some other minor details, it's not the government that sells them, it's the Bundeskriminalamt, and you can't stop federal agency without a court order, because you're interfering with federal laws.

@bee, I wonder who even manages that BTC when their decisions are influenced by some activist who didn't remember to tell them before they decided on their summer crypto adventure.

Well, actually...it's a 10 years crypto firm and OTC dealer that manages these:
https://cumberland.io/about











Title: Re: Germany sells 50 000 BTC worth $3 billion?
Post by: Lucius on July 11, 2024, 02:30:04 PM
@Stompix, you know how people are, as soon as they see that transactions are made from some publicly known address on CEXs, most of them immediately think that the coins are for sale - although if you send to CEXs, then your intentions are quite clear, unless you are playing a dirty game and want to a way to cause panic and crash the price.

Also, many of us don't know the exact way things work in Germany, but if it's a crypto company with experience, then I guess they know what they're doing. I would still say that they messed up a bit, because they could have done it quickly and efficiently without affecting the price for days - sell everything in one day (if possible) and be done with it.
Title: Re: Germany sells 50 000 BTC worth $3 billion?
Post by: Stompix on July 11, 2024, 03:46:21 PM
@Stompix, you know how people are, as soon as they see that transactions are made from some publicly known address on CEXs, most of them immediately think that the coins are for sale - although if you send to CEXs, then your intentions are quite clear, unless you are playing a dirty game and want to a way to cause panic and crash the price.

Well, as new info pops it seems that there was an agreement in the case of the MtGox coisn that they would be locked between 60-90 days in the accounts of the reimbursed victims after the account would be funded, so the clause between the German Police and the company doing this might also have some hidden paragraphs.

I would still say that they messed up a bit, because they could have done it quickly and efficiently without affecting the price for days - sell everything in one day (if possible) and be done with it.

I'm starting to feel that those tacking the addresses and tweeting every time there is a move are doing more harm than the actual sale!

Title: Re: Germany sells 50 000 BTC worth $3 billion?
Post by: Lucius on July 12, 2024, 01:16:01 PM
Well, as new info pops it seems that there was an agreement in the case of the MtGox coisn that they would be locked between 60-90 days in the accounts of the reimbursed victims after the account would be funded, so the clause between the German Police and the company doing this might also have some hidden paragraphs.

I'm hearing about this for the first time - but does that mean that the victims should have provided the public address that comes with the CEX, and not with the non-custodial wallet? Maybe I misunderstood, but if after 10 years you pay someone what belongs to him and then lock up his funds for xx days - is there an end to the agony of those people?

I'm starting to feel that those tacking the addresses and tweeting every time there is a move are doing more harm than the actual sale!

I don't doubt it in the slightest, because the panic spreads through the media - they make money from it, and on the other hand, they obviously do someone a big favor. In anticipation of a new bull run, every price correction is just a gift for those who know how to take advantage of it. The fact is that "they" are buying, because otherwise it seems to me that the price would have gone much lower than it was the case.
Title: Re: Germany sells 50 000 BTC worth $3 billion?
Post by: Faisal2202 on July 12, 2024, 09:18:50 PM
Yes, it's confirmed and I'm quite sure they'll keep selling more of their Bitcoin holdings next month or maybe in this month.

They were doing it aggressively before but now the German government will do it by following a good strategy.

The market is still not recovered and we may see more FUD or selling pressure next month. I'm pretty sure they're already working on a good strategy to sell their remaining Bitcoin holdings.
I was just trying to be funny with the pmbug that he said before the dump and the real selling would start that it did not start and I replied when the dump occurred that yeah you are right. Haha. Well, I recently made a post on BTT, that they have left with around 13k BTC now and they will definitely sell them. And media is now focusing the word from Germany to Saxony because they said it was not the Germany that sold the BTC but it was the free state of Germany which had it,s own president.

Market has recovered to some extent but now we are going to see another distribution from FTX exchange which is of $16 billion dollars. I don't know yet what's the plan, I mean in which currencies they will distribute the funds, but I read somewhere that they will distribute in cash which will be a good thing otherwise no one can stop market to go below $50k
Title: Re: Germany sells 50 000 BTC worth $3 billion?
Post by: TomPluz on July 13, 2024, 05:12:48 AM
Market has recovered to some extent but now we are going to see another distribution from FTX exchange which is of $16 billion dollars. I don't know yet what's the plan, I mean in which currencies they will distribute the funds, but I read somewhere that they will distribute in cash which will be a good thing otherwise no one can stop market to go below $50k

True, Bitcoin is getting stable right now settling at around $57K yet there can be more selling pressures ahead all because of the coming FTX distribution though I am not sure what can be the percentage of BTC to what they will release...and then MtGox has not been fully resolved yet...let's hope that all of these developments are already factored in to the current price so there will be no major impact anymore. There is no choice for now but to ride on the waves and just continue hoping that we can see a green island to land on. Things will hopefully get better at the right time and then we will see Bitcoin achieving a new ATH so we will all be smiling and excited again.





Title: Re: Germany sells 50 000 BTC worth $3 billion?
Post by: Faisal2202 on July 13, 2024, 05:08:09 PM
True, Bitcoin is getting stable right now settling at around $57K yet there can be more selling pressures ahead all because of the coming FTX distribution though I am not sure what can be the percentage of BTC to what they will release...and then MtGox has not been fully resolved yet...let's hope that all of these developments are already factored in to the current price so there will be no major impact anymore. There is no choice for now but to ride on the waves and just continue hoping that we can see a green island to land on. Things will hopefully get better at the right time and then we will see Bitcoin achieving a new ATH so we will all be smiling and excited again.
Hope is all we can keep now but at the same time, we can use this information for taking the entry at the right time. I know they will not distribute the 16$ billion funds in cash, but they did gather all these funds from different types of assets. And those assets were not BTC so it's mean if they plan to distribute in BTC form. They first have to buy BTC and then have to distribute but if they will distribute in cash they have to give more than 112% of what people lost at that time.

I think it won't be 112% as it is not CMP but it may be a good chance for FTX to buy BTC to distribute again. Overall, fingers are crossed because the judge has yet to declare the decision in which form they should distribute the funds. Somewhere they said we will give people exactly the same coins which they have lost and somewhere in the news I read they will be offering in fiat. Well, the market will definitely dump and we will be seeing this dump till October because MT Gox will distribute all of the funds till October and I assume FTX will also do the same.
Title: Re: Germany sells 50 000 BTC worth $3 billion?
Post by: SamReomo on July 13, 2024, 11:33:36 PM
but I read somewhere that they will distribute in cash which will be a good thing otherwise no one can stop market to go below $50k
Not below $50k but way below it if they dump that $16B in Bitcoin. The market is slowly recovering and investors are getting interested once again but if something like that was announced then that could create more fear in the minds of the investors and they would sell at market rate because of that fear.
Title: Re: Germany sells 50 000 BTC worth $3 billion?
Post by: philipma1957 on July 14, 2024, 01:39:54 AM
but I read somewhere that they will distribute in cash which will be a good thing otherwise no one can stop market to go below $50k
Not below $50k but way below it if they dump that $16B in Bitcoin. The market is slowly recovering and investors are getting interested once again but if something like that was announced then that could create more fear in the minds of the investors and they would sell at market rate because of that fear.

Trumps shooting is very likely to really move the matket bigly.

Title: Re: Germany sells 50 000 BTC worth $3 billion?
Post by: Stompix on July 14, 2024, 04:11:49 PM
Trumps shooting is very likely to really move the matket bigly.

Scratch....
I'm genuinely curious what would have happened if he had been killed.
Pretty sure the stock markets would have been -25% on the call and stopped trading if they had even allowed them to open on Monday.

Not so sure about crypto on this, we're already in a green pattern so I doubt too much movement.



Title: Re: Germany sells 50 000 BTC worth $3 billion?
Post by: philipma1957 on July 15, 2024, 02:05:58 AM
Trumps shooting is very likely to really move the matket bigly.

Scratch....
I'm genuinely curious what would have happened if he had been killed.
Pretty sure the stock markets would have been -25% on the call and stopped trading if they had even allowed them to open on Monday.

Not so sure about crypto on this, we're already in a green pattern so I doubt too much movement.

his shooting and survival seems to have boosted and energized btc.

maybe we all hold hands and sing 🎶 together 😀 while btc moonshots over 75k a new ath.
Title: Re: Germany sells 50 000 BTC worth $3 billion?
Post by: SamReomo on July 15, 2024, 07:57:18 PM
Trumps shooting is very likely to really move the matket bigly.
Trump is a very important person for crypto market because he's supporting it and surely we may see market moving upwards. Let's hope the things may go well in next few days to weeks because that Mt. Gox thing can still somehow cause a dump in the market.
Title: Re: Germany sells 50 000 BTC worth $3 billion?
Post by: Gurujebs on July 15, 2024, 08:03:57 PM
Trumps shooting is very likely to really move the matket bigly.
Trump is a very important person for crypto market because he's supporting it and surely we may see market moving upwards. Let's hope the things may go well in next few days to weeks because that Mt. Gox thing can still somehow cause a dump in the market.

I really felt for him with that recent incident. I hope his true intention with the Americans continue the way he is campaigning right now for election if he win later because he seems to have been increased his probability of winning with that bullet.

German government will be on the corner looting their usd gotten from Bitcoin and they will be like the wish they have wait for this moment to get more profits but nobody expected this to happen. If these bullish hold, we might repeat a test of $72k and with sustenance that resistance can be broken maybe with a few words if Trump finally says good thing about Bitcoin in the coming Bitcoin summit.
Title: Re: Germany sells 50 000 BTC worth $3 billion?
Post by: Lucius on July 17, 2024, 05:34:01 PM
German government will be on the corner looting their usd gotten from Bitcoin and they will be like the wish they have wait for this moment to get more profits but nobody expected this to happen.
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The German government has nothing to do with it, BTC was sold by a German province (if that would be the correct term), and also the people were only working according to the law and I can't complain about anything related to that. They received BTC literally as a gift, sold them and made money, that's where the story ends.

If any of us were given 50k BTC, I wonder who would keep them and wait for an even higher price when they could already become a billionaire today ;)
Title: Re: Germany sells 50 000 BTC worth $3 billion?
Post by: NikeFit_7777 on July 18, 2024, 10:17:22 AM
Last week, German authorities sold off 50,000 BTC confiscated from the operator of the pirate site Movie2k.

However, concerned members of the crypto community have already managed to “donate” $414 in crypto. Some clever users use the OP_Return field to accompany their transaction with a message addressed to the German authorities:

1. For example, one message reads: “You are giving us a beautiful, censorship-free scene”.
2. Several times the wallet received transfers containing Adolf Hitler's last name or a numeric code meaning the phrase “Heil ******”. 
3. one user sent $0.72 to the German authorities from an address with the last name of Ilon Musk.
4. $4 was also sent from an address containing the phrase “Fu***u.”

German Bundestag deputy Joanna Kotar also criticized the authorities' actions - the official called on them to stop and instead of the “ridiculous” sale of cryptocurrency to develop a clear legal framework for the digital asset industry.

Link to news: https://platform.arkhamintelligence.com/explorer/address/bc1qq0l4jgg9rcm3puhhfwaz4c9t8hdee8hfz6738z
Title: Re: Germany sells 50 000 BTC worth $3 billion?
Post by: Faisal2202 on July 27, 2024, 08:58:30 PM
Trumps shooting is very likely to really move the matket bigly.
You were right, considering the timeline of your post I think you were one of the early people who saw it coming before the pump in the market, that this incident would pump the market. Although I did not realize that this incident could cause such a pump I am 50% not sure if it's really a factor to consider because Germany also sold all of their reserves of 50k BTC on 13 July if I am not wrong.

The point is, that Germany and this incident of Trump must have had a good impact on the price of BTC but combined. I don't think Trump's attack has that much effect. But it's considerable. Now the next big dump can be caused by FTX what do you think? Although I also thought Mt Gox distribution could also cause a dump it did not happen so fingers are crossed with FTX as well.

I am quite late to reply but I missed many replies including this one that's why I am replying late.
Title: Re: Germany sells 50 000 BTC worth $3 billion?
Post by: macson on August 31, 2024, 03:33:42 PM
Yesterday there was news that Germany started selling BTC that it seized from illegal activities (movie piracy website). It seems that this news has already affected the price of BTC, and in addition, the last 5 days have seen an outflow of about $900 billion from spot BTC ETFs.

Things like this usually have a negative impact on the crypto market, especially at this time of year when many people are selling a lot more than they are buying. I wonder if we can expect the price to go below $60k again?

(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/06/21/h6nz2.png)
Read more -> Germany Begins Selling Its Bitcoin Billions, Triggering Volatility Fears (https://decrypt.co/236329/germany-begins-selling-bitcoin-billions-volatility-fears)

This is good news of course,

just let the German government sell all the bitcoins they have, so that the diamond hands can buy more bitcoins,

here we are discussing the future, well later when bitcoin passes $100k then the German government will definitely regret their decision, because they sold bitcoins when the price was still relatively cheap.