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Title: RWA Startup Hamilton Tokenizes US Treasury Bills on Bitcoin L2 Solutions
Post by: sirty143 on July 05, 2024, 07:10:42 AM
RWA Startup Hamilton Tokenizes US Treasury Bills on Bitcoin L2 Solutions

Hamilton has announced the tokenization of U.S. Treasury bills on Bitcoin’s layer two (L2) platforms, stating that it marks a significant advancement in bridging traditional finance with Bitcoin’s decentralized finance... See more for yourself here (https://news.bitcoin.com/rwa-startup-hamilton-tokenizes-us-treasury-bills-on-bitcoin-l2-solutions/).

Your opinion is greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: RWA Startup Hamilton Tokenizes US Treasury Bills on Bitcoin L2 Solutions
Post by: NotATether on July 07, 2024, 05:28:56 AM
Who would want to bridge the ugly traditional finance with Bitcoin?

Normal people don't even use such solutions, so this is only really of interest to financial institutions.

See the problem here?

And when these guys get into crypto by means of stuff like ETF, CDBC, etc then it gives the governments ideas, like, "hey, since we hlready have all the benefits of crypto, why don't we ban these decentralized currencies?"
Title: Re: RWA Startup Hamilton Tokenizes US Treasury Bills on Bitcoin L2 Solutions
Post by: hugeblack on July 07, 2024, 11:03:32 AM
News headlines have become unhelpful. Enter the word “Bitcoin L2 Solutions” in a sentence and you will have a hot headline.
The integration between Bitcoin and the traditional economy is still far away, and all solutions to this integration are centralized, such as an ETF, while L2 is a solution to the problem of scalability in Bitcoin. You took a solution to a problem for Bitcoin and implemented an application on it that is far from its basic use, and thus you will create another problem, which is centralization and high fees.
Title: Re: RWA Startup Hamilton Tokenizes US Treasury Bills on Bitcoin L2 Solutions
Post by: ABCbits on July 07, 2024, 11:38:42 AM
Significant advancement? Without legal acknowledgement from government, i fail to understand what they did could be more significant than adding any arbitrary data on cryptocurrency blockchain.
Title: Re: RWA Startup Hamilton Tokenizes US Treasury Bills on Bitcoin L2 Solutions
Post by: NotATether on July 25, 2024, 03:04:47 PM
Significant advancement? Without legal acknowledgement from government, i fail to understand what they did could be more significant than adding any arbitrary data on cryptocurrency blockchain.

The US government probably does not recognize these assets as legal tender anyway, so what you are actually buying is something like a stablecoin which is severely at risk of depegging because nobody makes stablecoins properly.

If you want treasury bonds, buy the real thing. Please don't waste your time with "stablecoins" unless you absolutely have no other option.
Title: Re: RWA Startup Hamilton Tokenizes US Treasury Bills on Bitcoin L2 Solutions
Post by: ZAINmalik75 on July 27, 2024, 04:55:13 PM
News headlines have become unhelpful. Enter the word “Bitcoin L2 Solutions” in a sentence and you will have a hot headline.
The integration between Bitcoin and the traditional economy is still far away, and all solutions to this integration are centralized, such as an ETF, while L2 is a solution to the problem of scalability in Bitcoin. You took a solution to a problem for Bitcoin and implemented an application on it that is far from its basic use, and thus you will create another problem, which is centralization and high fees.
You have made valid points, the development of treasury bills on L2 solutions will make things more difficult but I am guessing that's not the main point of this development plan. To tokenize the bills, they need real bills to back that up and if they will integrate it on L2 Solutions the adoption will increase although they can do whatever with the bills in physical form and they will be selling people a currency pegged to treasury bills that might be are used as collateral somewhere else.

The result is they will be making more money from one source which is Treasury bills. Doing this is not an easy task but bad people can do it with some good resources but the possibility is very low. There can be a number of problems but still nothing comes totally 100% working in the start even BTC is facing problems till now then how can the government can make this happen?
Title: Re: RWA Startup Hamilton Tokenizes US Treasury Bills on Bitcoin L2 Solutions
Post by: Stompix on July 27, 2024, 05:11:13 PM
Who would want to bridge the ugly traditional finance with Bitcoin?
Normal people don't even use such solutions, so this is only really of interest to financial institutions.

With the amount of inflows into ETF, usage of USDT and people taking CEX for banks I don't think it's that easy to define "normal".

Significant advancement? Without legal acknowledgement from government, i fail to understand what they did could be more significant than adding any arbitrary data on cryptocurrency blockchain.

You can tokenize everything on the blockchain, if you are the owner of an asset you can do it at any time as there are dozens of platforms that offer this service, the US government doesn't care that tether holds US bonds, they won't care about this either, the problem will come up when the token is no longer backed by anything.

Title: Re: RWA Startup Hamilton Tokenizes US Treasury Bills on Bitcoin L2 Solutions
Post by: ABCbits on July 28, 2024, 11:14:51 AM
Significant advancement? Without legal acknowledgement from government, i fail to understand what they did could be more significant than adding any arbitrary data on cryptocurrency blockchain.
You can tokenize everything on the blockchain, if you are the owner of an asset you can do it at any time as there are dozens of platforms that offer this service, the US government doesn't care that tether holds US bonds, they won't care about this either, the problem will come up when the token is no longer backed by anything.

That makes sense. Although for potential buyer, they would expect this bond have legal guarantee and insurance as well.
Title: Re: RWA Startup Hamilton Tokenizes US Treasury Bills on Bitcoin L2 Solutions
Post by: Stompix on July 28, 2024, 03:28:23 PM
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That makes sense. Although for potential buyer, they would expect this bond have legal guarantee and insurance as well.

Depends on what kind of potential buyer you're looking for, and most are not aiming for the ones that look for papers on both sides to be fully legit, they want to give this opportunity to the ones that can't access the real thing for various reasons and at the same time they know that there is a very low chance everyone would suddenly want to get out of the scheme, much like USDT is working now. So as long as you keep the appearance everyone is fine and they will make some money with it.

Besides, you know DYOR is a thing of the past for most nowadays.

Title: Re: RWA Startup Hamilton Tokenizes US Treasury Bills on Bitcoin L2 Solutions
Post by: God Of Thunder on July 28, 2024, 03:50:56 PM
the problem will come up when the token is no longer backed by anything.

This is the worst part to be honest. I guess I have read a news article where I read that Binance backed their BUSD with USDC or something and it was two or three years ago, after the auditors audited it, they moved a large portion of the funds to somewhere else and it never came back to wallet again. But fortunately, BUSD is not available on the market anymore as Binance had to delist it and they launched their new Stable coin FDUSD. I don't know if they will repeat the same thing with their new Token or not.
Title: Re: RWA Startup Hamilton Tokenizes US Treasury Bills on Bitcoin L2 Solutions
Post by: Faisal2202 on August 03, 2024, 03:14:34 PM
This is the worst part to be honest. I guess I have read a news article where I read that Binance backed their BUSD with USDC or something and it was two or three years ago, after the auditors audited it, they moved a large portion of the funds to somewhere else and it never came back to wallet again. But fortunately, BUSD is not available on the market anymore as Binance had to delist it and they launched their new Stable coin FDUSD. I don't know if they will repeat the same thing with their new Token or not.
This is not how I remember, last year around February, Paxos the company minting BUSD for Binance turned out to be not registered or regulated by the SEC to mint BUSD and when the SEC started their movement of regulating crypto exchanges, and other platforms they give Paxos time to stop the minting of BUSD till 21 February and till October to December of 2023 many of the exchanges delist it because of issue regarding to liquidity because the supply was stopped and there was not enough BUSD to fulfill the need to eventually within a year BUSD vanished from the market.

The new stablecoin by Binance is not really recognized by the crypto industry and TBH I almost forgot the ticker name of the stablecoin of Binance. Overall, the point was this tokenization is done by the government so I don't think they will risk to not backed it up by any other asset. 
Title: Re: RWA Startup Hamilton Tokenizes US Treasury Bills on Bitcoin L2 Solutions
Post by: Stompix on August 03, 2024, 04:04:36 PM
the problem will come up when the token is no longer backed by anything.

This is the worst part to be honest. I guess I have read a news article where I read that Binance backed their BUSD with USDC or something and it was two or three years ago, after the auditors audited it, they moved a large portion of the funds to somewhere else and it never came back to wallet again.

BUSD was actually never a Binance thing, and it was again one of those lies that CZ can't stop spreading.
While initially, they claimed it was a partnership, that they were the ones backing them up when shit hit the fan you had this:
https://twitter.com/cz_binance/status/1625067486172397571

That's why nobody is touching this again, because it's just as shady as the previous deal.
Title: Re: RWA Startup Hamilton Tokenizes US Treasury Bills on Bitcoin L2 Solutions
Post by: hugeblack on August 05, 2024, 02:04:20 PM
According to the article, the Bitcoin price estimate for 2030 is around $960,000, which is a very exaggerated forecast. Bitcoin L2 solutions will see momentum during the current bull run, so it is natural to find companies talking about them, although I expect that the development that these companies will provide is more software forks.


That's why nobody is touching this again, because it's just as shady as the previous deal.
I hope we learn from what happened with Luna that these tokens are much weaker than we imagine.
Title: Re: RWA Startup Hamilton Tokenizes US Treasury Bills on Bitcoin L2 Solutions
Post by: bitterguy28 on August 06, 2024, 03:47:58 AM
And when these guys get into crypto by means of stuff like ETF, CDBC, etc
generally i am in favor of stuff like etf or cdbc because i think it allows the general public to be more familiar with crypto even if it isn’t directly crypto yet i think about it more of as training grounds however if it starts reeling away from crypto and loses completely the fundamentals of crypto then it becomes pointless
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then it gives the governments ideas, like, "hey, since we hlready have all the benefits of crypto, why don't we ban these decentralized currencies?"
they never want decentralized currencies to be of use as they have no access nor control over it so even though stuff like etf and cdbc can help in price i still recommend people to just buy/hold straight up crypto instead