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Crypto Discussion Forum => Forum related => Suggestion Box => Topic started by: Freemind on August 18, 2024, 10:30:27 AM
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With the growth of the forum and the appearance of new signature campaigns, there are users who seem desperate to be able to participate in them. It is something that I partially understand, since being able to earn something extra is always an incentive, what does not make sense is the way of doing things in some cases.
Several weeks ago we saw a user who wrote more than 60 posts in one day (approximately) to increase his rank, a few days ago another user "wrote" 46 posts with the help of AI with the same intention. Not only does that violate several forum rules, but it's not fair.
From here I propose the creation of a new specific badge for this type of users so that signature campaign managers can quickly identify them.
I would like to know what the users and also the administrator think.
Thank you all.
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From here I propose the creation of a new specific badge for this type of users so that signature campaign managers can quickly identify them.
I think we have badges "too active, 25 Posts in one day" and "Super active 50 Posts in one day". Mods can easily refer to these and remind these hasty members.
Posting 25-50 posts a day might come from enthusiasm, especially for new members when they find a crypto forum to discuss their passion. However, sometimes it's a hint for mods to check for plagiarism or AI-generated issues in these members' posts.
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@MrSpasybo the badges you refer to are not to highlight the negative part of writing that number of posts, like spam, for example. I have a few of those badges and it wasn't spam., but because I was very active, especially in the Spanish forum, since it is my native language and it is much easier to write a greater number of posts.
What I wanted to express in the first post is something much clearer so that managers can quickly identify this type of users, the "negative" part.
The design of the badges would logically be the responsibility of the administrator, who is the one who creates them, the important thing is that the message is clear.
Thanks for your opinion ;)
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From here I propose the creation of a new specific badge for this type of users so that signature campaign managers can quickly identify them.
I would like to know what the users and also the administrator think.
Thank you all.
I support this idea, and not only a special badge for those who are caught using AI or plagiarizing their posts, but also for those who are on the forum just to shill something, or for those who are obvious spammers.
Although every honest manager will in most cases manage to avoid such members himself, it can make their job easier - and at the same time it will help other users of the forum to pay attention to such members and report them if they continue to do such things.
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From here I propose the creation of a new specific badge for this type of users so that signature campaign managers can quickly identify them.
As a moderator, I am 100% supporting this idea so that we can help make the forum really free from spams and low-quality posts including the use of AI. Hopefully, the badge can help signature managers identify bad members of the forum and can also help discourage those who are planning to make some mess in here.
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There isn't much traffic as you have comprehended @Freemind and that the forum should come up with new badges is what I disagree. As suggested by @MrSpasybo I think those badges are sufficient to make a BM understand whom to hire and whom not to. It would be too much cautious with new badges as the forum has enough of them as per my understanding. I do feel there are many boards that should be either removed or renamed with the current hype and trend. All due respect the admin should come up with a board dedicated to TON blockchain.
I have already created a thread in relation to it.
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=322951.0
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Several weeks ago we saw a user who wrote more than 60 posts in one day (approximately) to increase his rank,,,
But what if those 60 posts have good quality posts, are useful and provide a lot of information to all members in the forum?
For example, there are Miner experts who can reply to posts at any time with such a fast response when they (with all cryptocurrency Miners) are discussing mining in the altcoinstalks forum.
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The design of the badges would logically be the responsibility of the administrator, who is the one who creates them, the important thing is that the message is clear.
Thanks for your opinion ;)
If I am not wrong the user already recieved a custom badge which says 100 posts in one day spammer which is exactly what you're suggesting right now.
User's profile link : https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=profile;u=81570
And also I just saw strike for his cheating that's sums up and I don't think any campaign will let him to be a part of it.
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let me just play the contrarian just to keep the discussion ;D they will not participate in the right manner once they are labelled.
the forum isn't really as huge as the other, maybe there is a need to loosen up a bit. give them warnings, maybe the 3rd time is going to make the account ban. but for the 1st and 2nd, there is the incentive to do posts a ton a day and using AI could be possibly make them rank fast. the incentive is there which is why someone will likely be taking that route.
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There isn't much traffic as you have comprehended @Freemind and that the forum should come up with new badges is what I disagree. As suggested by @MrSpasybo I think those badges are sufficient to make a BM understand whom to hire and whom not to. It would be too much cautious with new badges as the forum has enough of them as per my understanding. I do feel there are many boards that should be either removed or renamed with the current hype and trend. All due respect the admin should come up with a board dedicated to TON blockchain.
I have already created a thread in relation to it.
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=322951.0
It is true that the forum still does not have the traffic that we would all like, but it is also true that it is growing, so I think it would be ideal to have things "fixed" before it continues to grow so that later we don't have to do things in a hurry. I'd like to know what you think about that.
I have the 25 posts in a day badge and my posts have not been spam. Also, if you look at my profile on the left, you will see that the badge is not showing up, so a manager must visit each user's profile to find out what badges they have and if they are positive or negative in terms of behavior.
Clarity in the message of the badges would save a lot of time and allow some users with undesirable behaviors to "mistakenly" participate in campaigns.
But what if those 60 posts have good quality posts, are useful and provide a lot of information to all members in the forum?
For example, there are Miner experts who can reply to posts at any time with such a fast response when they (with all cryptocurrency Miners) are discussing mining in the altcoinstalks forum.
The problem with what you're saying is that it would be an extremely rare case for a user to write 60 useful posts in one day, and if that were the case, that user would have a good track record to compare to, but that's not the case. Furthermore, it is very clear that the user has used AI to create the posts.
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Furthermore, it is very clear that the user has used AI to create the posts.
Oh My God, this is too much and this can indeed be called Spammers.
May I ask, is there a tool to check if they are using AI to post?
And how to identify them using AI (like robots) in making posts?
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I support the idea as well, and I would like to propose some other solutions as well. Yes, you can make some new badges for these people so it's easy for the campaign managers. One campaign manager already wrote in his campaign that he does not accept applications from users who have red dots and regret badges in their profiles. So, you may add similar to this one.
My suggestion is to restrict newbies a little more. You should not allow more than ten daily posts to newbies, Jr., and Member rank users. I don't think a senior member or a hero and above will spam like this. Even if members of higher ranks write 50 posts daily, they will maintain the quality. So, just like we have reporting limits, you can set limits for newbies so they cannot rush and do not generate spam.
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From here I propose the creation of a new specific badge for this type of users so that signature campaign managers can quickly identify them.
I think badged should be used for good contributions and achievements, not punishment.
IMO, the user should receive some red tag or some red text below his user name (like "monitored") or something like that...
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Is there actually a rule of how many number of posts are expected of a user in a day? It's not that I support someone making 60 posts a day, because I even find it difficult to complete 30 posts a week. But I have this question;
- If a user makes 60 posts a day;
- Gives atleast 15mins difference between the posts;
- Not using AI;
- And the posts are on point;
Should that be considered as a spam?
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I support the idea of creating a new badge for this type of users so that the campaign managers can quickly identify them and this will make the campaign managers' job easier.
But I also suggest that it should be more specific to those who have these bad posting habits only, meaning that a member may write a large number of posts in one day by accident for some reason and this is not his habit and in this case it is not fair for him to get the same badge that indicates a bad habit.
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I think I was involved in exposing both cases that the OP refers to.
As I assumed, writing a large number of posts in a short time is not often aimed at rank upgrades, so I would suggest implementing a solution similar to the one on Bitcointalk at least when it comes to promotion by rank.
In fact, there the activity (necessary for rank upgrade) is calculated every two weeks. And the maximum you can improve the activity is 14 points. Even if you write 100 posts for that period.
I don't know how feasible it is to do something like that here, it's a matter of administration and a question for the admin, but certainly, restrictions in that sense would discourage excessive spam.
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May I ask, is there a tool to check if they are using AI to post?
And how to identify them using AI (like robots) in making posts?
There are tools that analyze the text and try to determine if it was generated and in what percentage with the help of AI. Fortunately, AI is still not so perfect that it can faithfully imitate a human, and it uses some kind of patterns with which it can be detected.
However, you should know that this detection is not perfect and that it is not wise to accuse someone of using AI only on the basis of one positive detection, and that is why it is a kind of standard that we use (at least on the BTT forum) to check such suspicious posts with at least 3 detectors.
I personally use these three ->
https://gptzero.me/
https://www.zerogpt.com
https://copyleaks.com/ai-content-detector
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Oh My God, this is too much and this can indeed be called Spammers.
May I ask, is there a tool to check if they are using AI to post?
And how to identify them using AI (like robots) in making posts?
There are many tools available to do the job you say. With a simple search on your favorite search engine you will find hundreds (or more).
I think I was involved in exposing both cases that the OP refers to.
As I assumed, writing a large number of posts in a short time is not often aimed at rank upgrades, so I would suggest implementing a solution similar to the one on Bitcointalk at least when it comes to promotion by rank.
In fact, there the activity (necessary for rank upgrade) is calculated every two weeks. And the maximum you can improve the activity is 14 points. Even if you write 100 posts for that period.
I don't know how feasible it is to do something like that here, it's a matter of administration and a question for the admin, but certainly, restrictions in that sense would discourage excessive spam.
What you say seems like a possible solution to me. What I don't know is if it would be possible in the technical part of the forum. But that's something the administrator can tell us, and also whether it would require too much work to make it possible. I guess since these are SMF based forums there shouldn't be any problems, but I'll tell the admin to take a look at this thread (if he hasn't already) and let us know if possible.
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Is there actually a rule of how many number of posts are expected of a user in a day? It's not that I support someone making 60 posts a day, because I even find it difficult to complete 30 posts a week. But I have this question;
- If a user makes 60 posts a day;
- Gives atleast 15mins difference between the posts;
- Not using AI;
- And the posts are on point;
Should that be considered as a spam?
There is no rule, but I believe that common sense is enough in this case
Are these 60 posts totally necessary and useful?
Even if it's not necessarily spam, maybe the content is too poor and it's not necessary or it's something that's already been said in the thread
In some cases it may be justifiable, but I confess that I don't remember users making so many posts in one day that it was necessary
In any case, if this user applies for a signature campaign, it will probably be detected by the manager
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I think badged should be used for good contributions and achievements, not punishment.
IMO, the user should receive some red tag or some red text below his user name (like "monitored") or something like that...
Well, I proposed a badge because it is one of the things that we can see the most and that we have also talked about for other things, but a red text, as you say, that makes it very clear why the user has it, It can also serve perfectly for that are easily identifiable. I don't think the visual aspect itself is the most important thing, the important thing is that it is functional. Anyway, we will see what the administrator says about this matter.
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Well, I proposed a badge because it is one of the things that we can see the most and that we have also talked about for other things, but a red text, as you say, that makes it very clear why the user has it, It can also serve perfectly for that are easily identifiable. I don't think the visual aspect itself is the most important thing, the important thing is that it is functional. Anyway, we will see what the administrator says about this matter.
I think we should look on this situation is case by case way: we have the Low Quality Posts badge and if someone leaves too many posts of really low quality in a very short period of time we can give him this badge immediately not making any new badges. If his posts are not so bad... well, there are some other criteria in ranking up which prevent someone from being too fast in that. ???
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Well, I proposed a badge because it is one of the things that we can see the most and that we have also talked about for other things, but a red text, as you say, that makes it very clear why the user has it, It can also serve perfectly for that are easily identifiable. I don't think the visual aspect itself is the most important thing, the important thing is that it is functional. Anyway, we will see what the administrator says about this matter.
I think we should look on this situation is case by case way: we have the Low Quality Posts badge and if someone leaves too many posts of really low quality in a very short period of time we can give him this badge immediately not making any new badges. If his posts are not so bad... well, there are some other criteria in ranking up which prevent someone from being too fast in that. ???
Agreed LQP more or less covers this, at least if they are not plagiarising or using AI etc. Both of you should get permissions to put users in that group then you could just use that when needed...
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I think we should look on this situation is case by case way: we have the Low Quality Posts badge and if someone leaves too many posts of really low quality in a very short period of time we can give him this badge immediately not making any new badges. If his posts are not so bad... well, there are some other criteria in ranking up which prevent someone from being too fast in that. ???
Agree. If it is not really necessary, it is no need for a new badge. We have quite a lot badges.
IMO, the real problem isn't on the number of posts, it is about the quality of the posts. Yep, the badge LQP is enough for the user.
Regarding to the signature, I'm very sure the bounty managers are smart enough to select the participants. Even, all bounty managers of current active signatures are experienced bounty managers. They know well how to select proper participants.
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Got it guys, it was just another one of my stupid ideas to try to make the managers job easier. But looking at it from the angles you've shown, it makes all the sense in the world. The LQP badge will be more useful then.
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When we are already talking about signature campaigns and participation in them, let's also open the topic of the quality of writing posts. That is, what "stings my eyes" is that I often see posts from high-ranking members that seem like an obvious shill. Although I'm sure the manager never asked for it, I'm even pretty sure that it's considered undesirable.