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Title: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: TomPluz on August 31, 2024, 05:57:01 AM

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El Salvador’s pro-crypto president Nayib Bukele said that despite Bitcoin’s strong presence in the Central American nation’s economic growth, adoption hasn’t met the expectations.

Bukele, latest to feature on TIME magazine cover, noted that the country’s Bitcoin strategy is generally “net positive.” However, Bitcoin adoption rate has fallen short.

He said that the digital asset has played a major role in the lives of many Salvadorans in day-to-day payments. The country has never forced anyone to adopt it, rather, offered it as an option, the president noted.

“It hasn’t had the adoption we expected,” he added. “I expected more adoption, definitely, but we always prided ourselves on being a free country, free in every way.” Bukele also advocated people to use Bitcoin now, as they “will probably have gains in the future.”


The link of this news is here! (https://cryptonews.com/news/bitcoin-hasnt-had-the-widespread-adoption-we-hoped-for-el-salvador-president/)


How should we take the reality of the things happening in El Salvador as far as its adoption of Bitcoin  as a national currency? As for me, this is telling us that Bitcoin may be harder to be adopted as a currency just like the usual fiat money we know and it is principally because of its volatility.

Can we then say that Bitcoin is good for holding and not for the usual payments like buying groceries or buying a cup of coffee all because we may feel we are letting go of an opportunity that in the next day the value of Bitcoin would go up?



Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: yhiaali3 on August 31, 2024, 06:35:20 AM
Unfortunately yes, most people who have seen the incredible rise of Bitcoin will not give up their expensive Bitcoin for a cup of coffee or a piece of pizza as the early adopters of Bitcoin did when its price was very low.

Back then, the early pioneers of Bitcoin believed in it as a currency that would change the future of the world, but today the view of Bitcoin has changed. Most people now see it as a profitable long-term investment and not a daily peer-to-peer payment method as Satoshi intended.

That's why you will find that most people will not use Bitcoin to buy simple daily necessities.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: target on August 31, 2024, 08:53:56 AM

Yes. As much as we could disagree for BTC not to be great for making transactions daily.  Its not really ideal for such usage. What it could be used these days is to make good profit when the price goes up which means its still the USD that works best.

If ever there come a time adoption spreads like everyone in the locals using BTC, you can just hope the transaction fee is just 1 satoshi.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: Kemarit on August 31, 2024, 09:00:16 AM
At least though he has been honest about it. But it you look at it though, it is still in it's infancy, even if we look historically, Bitcoin hasn't been adoption world wide as well. There are still a lot of countries or government around the world that is still in the middle ground as far as adoption goes.

So I'm not surprise though and probably it will take another ten years or more to see what is the numbers. But I do hope that Bukele will not give up his dreams to make Bitcoin be an option in his countries and so with other nations around the world that is pro-Bitcoin. Still a lot of challenges to them and for Bitcoin to get recognized.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: Bobcrypto on August 31, 2024, 11:24:00 AM
In my opinion, Bitcoin has performed excellently well in it's few years of launched, about 14 years ago, and adoptions so far can not be rated low, at leat, it has gone a little higher in recent times. Adoptions is always a continuous thing, at certain points it may look low but it is actually going up gradually and will be on the moon.
The Bitcoin community is still very young, I believe that with time more countries will come onboard; there should not be weak mind on current levels of adoptions because there shall be increase adoptions in near future.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: ABCbits on August 31, 2024, 11:54:12 AM
People already know this fact for years, where only few Bitcoin enthusiast would actually use their BTC to pay for goods/services. And while people could convert certain amount of fiat to Bitcoin and shortly later then use the Bitcoin for payment, the additional steps and fees aren't worth it.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: robelneo on August 31, 2024, 02:34:49 PM

Can we then say that Bitcoin is good for holding and not for the usual payments like buying groceries or buying a cup of coffee all because we may feel we are letting go of an opportunity that in the next day the value of Bitcoin would go up?

Yes we can conclude that because part of the community is not on using Bitcoin in a day-to-day basis but more on holding it for profit as logn as the volatility is high and the market is stable, people will prefer fiat over Bitcoin, its hard to educate people about using Bitcoin in a day to day transaction when in the back of your mind you can make a profit by holding it instead of using it.
This experience is an eye opener that we cannot use Bitcoin as one currency, the ideal is that Bitcoin and fiat co exist.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: Lucius on August 31, 2024, 03:01:28 PM
What he admits today has been known for a long time, but the fact is that in this particular case it is not only Bitcoin that is the problem, considering that ES is a country where the majority of the population is engaged in agriculture, which means that they work hard every day and that they may rely a lot on trade through commodity exchange, and less on money trading.

In addition, as president, he advocated the idea of ​​BTC being something that will serve for cheaper sending of remittances, considering that they have a lot of expats, especially in countries like the US. As far as I know, Chivo ATMs have been installed in all major US cities, but old habits die hard, and the volatility of BTC obviously discourages many from sending money home that way.

Bitcoin can be a good option for payment, although you should always consider the fees and the fact that confirmations for on-chain transactions are not instant. Of course, LN is something that can overcome these problems, but I think that most people (generally) find paying with BTC complicated and do not see any advantage in it.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: MrSpasybo on August 31, 2024, 06:34:23 PM
How should we take the reality of the things happening in El Salvador as far as its adoption of Bitcoin  as a national currency? As for me, this is telling us that Bitcoin may be harder to be adopted as a currency just like the usual fiat money we know and it is principally because of its volatility.

Can we then say that Bitcoin is good for holding and not for the usual payments like buying groceries or buying a cup of coffee all because we may feel we are letting go of an opportunity that in the next day the value of Bitcoin would go up?
This is completely normal and has been predicted: BTC isn't really used frequently for micropayments, it's often seen as an investment asset. When the market is positive, people prefer to hold because they're afraid that if they use it for payments today, they'll lose out on profits tomorrow. When the market is negative, people fear that the BTC in their hands will lose value. In the end, BTC is only really bought and sold by traders or stored by long-term investors, not used to buy bread or fried chicken ^^

We're still in the early stages of the crypto era, and it's difficult for people to use BTC as frequently as they've been accustomed to using fiat for the past few decades. But we don't need to worry too much about this, everything takes time to become familiar in life, including higher prices for necessities, or the price of goods calculated in satoshi.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: electronicash on August 31, 2024, 08:50:31 PM

more than a decade past, only less than 10% of the people around the world have touched Bitcoin. Binance itself has announced they got a massive milestone of 200M users but the population of the world is more than 8Billion. we just can expect adoption at rate but at least in the online community there is a constant transactions going on to keep the economy going.

but i remember El Salvador boasted about their Bitcoin City and the Bitcoin beach where Max Keiser been podcasting about. if it ain't working, i guess they need to airdrop $30 Bitcoin once gain to each wallet.  ;D
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: dkbit98 on August 31, 2024, 09:05:20 PM
I think that Bukele and his sponsors made a biggest mistake when they created fully custodial bitcoin Chivo wallet, instead of educating people about importance of non-custodial wallets.
They are also forcing Lightning Network in same Chivo wallet, and that project is total disaster pushed and promoted by several people on top.
If he wants to increase adoption he should accept Bitcoin payments in all stores and government services, but he can't force people to use Bitcoin.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: Z-tight on September 01, 2024, 10:18:52 PM
People who cared to look for facts have known this for a very long time, people only downloaded the custodial chivo wallet so they can get the $30 bonus from it, people in El Salvador do not use BTC. I am not even sure if many people over there really understand what BTC is and if they can use self custodial BTC wallets like Electrum, BlueWallet, etc.

The government should focus on teaching people how to use BTC in the self custodial and decentralized way, that is the only way they can truly appreciate BTC and use it.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: Zed0X on September 01, 2024, 11:35:19 PM
Putting the issue of the custodial wallet aside, I would be hesitant to use BTC for everyday spending as well if I know the value could increase more in the future. As for merchants who accepts BTC, they probably prefer to convert them immediately because they don't want to be caught in the volatility.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: SamReomo on September 01, 2024, 11:42:16 PM
To be honest, Bitcoin couldn't be taken as primary currency of a country because of its volatile nature and the fees associated with Bitcoin transactions. It can be used as a secondary currency where citizens get option to receive payments in Bitcoin but not as a primary currency.

I believe for primary currency CBDC's might work but still that approach isn't going to be a good one because we all know that there can be bugs and errors in code base of a cryptocurrency and if someone finds a vulnerability and exploits it then most people will end up losing their money.

So in my opinion Bitcoin and any other cryptocurrency or CBDC can be option way of payment in a country and should get promoted on national basis by the government of that country but people should still have option to choose fiat over it if they life.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: Asiska02 on September 01, 2024, 11:59:20 PM
How should we take the reality of the things happening in El Salvador as far as its adoption of Bitcoin  as a national currency? As for me, this is telling us that Bitcoin may be harder to be adopted as a currency just like the usual fiat money we know and it is principally because of its volatility.

Let’s even say that bitcoin is not a volatile currency, do you still think it’ll be easier to be adopted by the government? The government will never allow any decentralized digital currency to be used more over theirs because that will kill the value of their own currencies faster. They’re typically against it and will use the volatile nature of it as one of the reasons they’ll not adopt it.

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Can we then say that Bitcoin is good for holding and not for the usual payments like buying groceries or buying a cup of coffee all because we may feel we are letting go of an opportunity that in the next day the value of Bitcoin would go up?

The main purpose may be for the former but the later is more adopted and that has enabled more people to cherish the currency more and adopted it. The mass adoption of it came often from the people that have embraced it for use as an investable asset and not a currency to be used for daily expenses and transactions. The primary purpose of bitcoin is to serve as alternative to fiat currency but today, as it stands as alternative to it, bitcoin enthusiasts have also leverage into using it for investment purposes.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: target on September 02, 2024, 07:42:56 AM
How should we take the reality of the things happening in El Salvador as far as its adoption of Bitcoin  as a national currency? As for me, this is telling us that Bitcoin may be harder to be adopted as a currency just like the usual fiat money we know and it is principally because of its volatility.

Let’s even say that bitcoin is not a volatile currency, do you still think it’ll be easier to be adopted by the government? The government will never allow any decentralized digital currency to be used more over theirs because that will kill the value of their own currencies faster. They’re typically against it and will use the volatile nature of it as one of the reasons they’ll not adopt it.

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Can we then say that Bitcoin is good for holding and not for the usual payments like buying groceries or buying a cup of coffee all because we may feel we are letting go of an opportunity that in the next day the value of Bitcoin would go up?

The main purpose may be for the former but the later is more adopted and that has enabled more people to cherish the currency more and adopted it. The mass adoption of it came often from the people that have embraced it for use as an investable asset and not a currency to be used for daily expenses and transactions. The primary purpose of bitcoin is to serve as alternative to fiat currency but today, as it stands as alternative to it, bitcoin enthusiasts have also leverage into using it for investment purposes.

In the end BTC will not be for the people when only governments like EL Salvador or US are going to be mining BTC.  We see Russia and China already plans to mine Bitcoin as well.

The governments are shifting to just mining BTC and it will not be surprising what Trump means when he said he wants to make sure BTC is only mined in the US.

BTC will be adopted but more than likely for the international trades than individuals using it.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: ABCbits on September 02, 2024, 12:07:50 PM
I think that Bukele and his sponsors made a biggest mistake when they created fully custodial bitcoin Chivo wallet, instead of educating people about importance of non-custodial wallets.
They are also forcing Lightning Network in same Chivo wallet, and that project is total disaster pushed and promoted by several people on top.
If he wants to increase adoption he should accept Bitcoin payments in all stores and government services, but he can't force people to use Bitcoin.

Making people use custodial service is far easier than self-custodial ones, since that way people would have less responsibility regarding backup and security. But otherwise i agree he could've make some government service/store accept Bitcoin.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: God Of Thunder on September 02, 2024, 02:20:57 PM
How should we take the reality of the things happening in El Salvador as far as its adoption of Bitcoin  as a national currency? As for me, this is telling us that Bitcoin may be harder to be adopted as a currency just like the usual fiat money we know and it is principally because of its volatility.

If you ask me, I would say the adoptions depend on how techy the people are. There are huge generation gaps as well. We are still in the early stages of Bitcoin. There are a lot of people who do not understand how Bitcoin works and mostly they do not believe that Bitcoin can be used as money. Mostly they fear losing their money if they keep it in Bitcoin. The day will change at some point and people will continue to adapt Bitcoin as time goes by.

I cannot expect my grand parents to start using bitcoin or my parents to use it because they know nothing about it. They are more familiar with the traditional fiat money system which they will continue to use till their last day of their life. But when it will comes to my kids, I guess most of them will start using Bitcoin when they will grow. We need time.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: Z-tight on September 02, 2024, 11:19:34 PM
Making people use custodial service is far easier than self-custodial ones, since that way people would have less responsibility regarding backup and security. But otherwise i agree he could've make some government service/store accept Bitcoin.
Is it really easier to use custodial services, yeah, it eliminates responsibility, but it carries the risk of a third party controlling ones funds. I don't think people in El salvador would struggle to use self custodial wallets with a little guidance, and keeping their seed phrase safe is also something that they can do easily, if they had been exposed to what BTC truly is, i feel adoption may have been better than what it is now.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: dkbit98 on September 02, 2024, 11:30:39 PM
Making people use custodial service is far easier than self-custodial ones, since that way people would have less responsibility regarding backup and security. But otherwise i agree he could've make some government service/store accept Bitcoin.
Sure it's easier to use it but everyone can see and even Bukele admits how this didn't help bitcoin adoption at all, same as lightning network.
I don't know how much time it needs to pass for some people to realize that and accept the reality.
Making something easier doesn't mean it is always going to be good.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: Captain Corporate on September 02, 2024, 11:50:03 PM
I do think that we are going to see the adoption getting bigger and bigger eventually, it shouldn't really be that big of a deal at all, it should be as normal as it gets and we can't really consider this a "failure" just yet. We are going to see this happen very late, because we are talking about adopting it to the whole nation, you may not get something like that easily, it may take a long long time for that to happen. But at the very least they ended up with a good result for now, and they are growing, and they could make a lot more money if bitcoin goes up as well, which would be amazing for them.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: God Of Thunder on September 03, 2024, 03:30:35 PM
Sure it's easier to use it but everyone can see and even Bukele admits how this didn't help bitcoin adoption at all, same as lightning network.
I don't know how much time it needs to pass for some people to realize that and accept the reality.
Making something easier doesn't mean it is always going to be good.

To avoid forgetting passwords, we can always write them in front of our desktops. But how many of us are going to do that? Probably none. Why? For obvious reasons. We do not write our password somewhere where everyone can see it. But why do we use custodial services? Just because it's easier? Do we all know the risk of the custodial services? Probably not.

Bitcoin and cryptocurrency are still in their early stages compared to traditional fiat money. Society started to become cashless slowly, but people still love to use fiat because they are familiar with it. They have been introduced to fiat money since they were toddlers. As I said in my previous post, there is a generation gap as well.

Gen-Z is interested in digital money, and I would like to believe at least more than 50% of crypto users are under 45 years old. I cannot expect my grandparents to use Bitcoin even if I live in a most developed country because they don't know the concept and how to use Bitcoin. Nobody informed them about Bitcoin. It will take time and Bitcoin will have more adoption as times goes by.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: pawel7777 on September 03, 2024, 04:49:54 PM
El Salvador hasn't adopted Bitcoin as a "national" currency as the OP suggests, but just as a legal tender. The main currency remains to be the US Dollar.
Low adoption of Bitcoin cannot be a surprise to anyone really. I've said thi plenty of times before and I'll say it again, people will not use bitcoins if they don't earn any income in bitcoins. If they earn in fiat, buying bitcoins just to spend them makes little to no sense (unless we're talking about dark market etc), it's just an unnecessary step that comes with extra fees.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: ABCbits on September 04, 2024, 12:31:51 PM
Making people use custodial service is far easier than self-custodial ones, since that way people would have less responsibility regarding backup and security. But otherwise i agree he could've make some government service/store accept Bitcoin.
Is it really easier to use custodial services, yeah, it eliminates responsibility, but it carries the risk of a third party controlling ones funds.

I agree. Although it's worth to note the wallet issued by government, who trusted by some of their citizen.

I don't think people in El salvador would struggle to use self custodial wallets with a little guidance, and keeping their seed phrase safe is also something that they can do easily, if they had been exposed to what BTC truly is, i feel adoption may have been better than what it is now.

I agree, although how many people willing to spend some time to learn and get used?
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: Captain Corporate on September 04, 2024, 09:10:19 PM
To get something even bigger, it will take a while for El Salvador to keep seeing a result. The fact that they invested on the last bull run and been waiting for a better return is the main reason. They got all their people into the bear season and that made people doubt it, but he won the reelection which means that he is going to end up with a good result for a while longer, he has time to wait. I bet that if he can get elected again officially, he will get reelected again, dude is liked by his nation and has high votes, so he has the patience to wait some more and maybe that will help him with bitcoin too.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: Asiska02 on September 04, 2024, 11:08:14 PM
I do think that we are going to see the adoption getting bigger and bigger eventually, it shouldn't really be that big of a deal at all, it should be as normal as it gets and we can't really consider this a "failure" just yet. We are going to see this happen very late, because we are talking about adopting it to the whole nation, you may not get something like that easily, it may take a long long time for that to happen. But at the very least they ended up with a good result for now, and they are growing, and they could make a lot more money if bitcoin goes up as well, which would be amazing for them.

I don’t think all of that matters to them now. How much longer do you think it will take to have this mass adoption we are always anticipating for? The use of the word that it happen very late makes me ponder to how much longer it has to take? So many innovations don’t take long like bitcoin has taken before they’re widely accepted by the masses and the government. The only difference bitcoin has with them is that it is decentralised and it will never be able to controlled by the government. It will surely take a long time but how long more will it take is what we don’t all know and keep anticipating for the best from it. 
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: Baofeng on September 15, 2024, 12:29:41 PM
I do think that we are going to see the adoption getting bigger and bigger eventually, it shouldn't really be that big of a deal at all, it should be as normal as it gets and we can't really consider this a "failure" just yet. We are going to see this happen very late, because we are talking about adopting it to the whole nation, you may not get something like that easily, it may take a long long time for that to happen. But at the very least they ended up with a good result for now, and they are growing, and they could make a lot more money if bitcoin goes up as well, which would be amazing for them.

I don’t think all of that matters to them now. How much longer do you think it will take to have this mass adoption we are always anticipating for? The use of the word that it happen very late makes me ponder to how much longer it has to take? So many innovations don’t take long like bitcoin has taken before they’re widely accepted by the masses and the government. The only difference bitcoin has with them is that it is decentralised and it will never be able to controlled by the government. It will surely take a long time but how long more will it take is what we don’t all know and keep anticipating for the best from it.

Well Bukele government put a bet on it already, and so as long as he is in power, they will definitely and go and look for Bitcoin in their country to be mass adopted. We all know that there are oppositions, but since he is in power and doing a lot of good things I supposed as far as crime rate in the country, he could still be in the power for the next 4-6 years and so their population has nowhere to go but to adopt it. And maybe he will be proud of his decision once we hit Bitcoin at $100k or more next year.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: trendcoin on September 16, 2024, 06:47:01 AM
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How should we take the reality of the things happening in El Salvador as far as its adoption of Bitcoin  as a national currency? As for me, this is telling us that Bitcoin may be harder to be adopted as a currency just like the usual fiat money we know and it is principally because of its volatility.

Can we then say that Bitcoin is good for holding and not for the usual payments like buying groceries or buying a cup of coffee all because we may feel we are letting go of an opportunity that in the next day the value of Bitcoin would go up?

Since he is a leader who has taken bold steps for Bitcoin and his country, I think he has the right to criticize harshly on some issues. So, even if his approach to this issue is emotional, I think he's right. I don't have the same ideas and expectations as Bukele, but I find his criticism justified because I appreciate his efforts...

When the velocity of circulation of money increases, its value decreases. I don't prefer buying coffee with Bitcoin and don't want this to become widespread. I think Bitcoin should be a store of value rather than a medium of exchange to meet daily needs. We should use the less valuable medium of exchange to buy gum at the grocery store. Using Bitcoin for these kinds of things hurts the value and meaning of Bitcoin...
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: bitterguy28 on September 16, 2024, 07:16:01 AM
Since he is a leader who has taken bold steps for Bitcoin and his country, I think he has the right to criticize harshly on some issues. So, even if his approach to this issue is emotional, I think he's right. I don't have the same ideas and expectations as Bukele, but I find his criticism justified because I appreciate his efforts...
i do not know much about him but how he approaches bitcoin adoption in their country is admirable he acknowledges the challenges pose of bitcoin adoption but still remained hopeful and did what he thinks could be the best for the country

we know the potential of bitcoin but as a leader, he has to stay truthful to his citizens and tell them what is the state of the country
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Using Bitcoin for these kinds of things hurts the value and meaning of Bitcoin...
well a lot of people would argue since bitcoin started as a means of exchange without the need for a centralized authority to make the transaction but now that the value of bitcoin has reached heights no one probably expected it will 10 or 15 years ago, the approach has changed and now bitcoin is almost not used for that anymore
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: dkbit98 on September 16, 2024, 10:16:43 PM
Maybe Bukele plans with Bitcoin adoption was not like he expected, but his country El Salvador will no longer require external debt to finance its budget and they achieved financial independence according to him.
I don't know if he is going to be allowed to run his country without debt, big bankers won't like if other countries start to follow El Salvador example.
https://x.com/nayibbukele/status/1835674214642106720
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: Stompix on September 17, 2024, 07:50:10 PM
When the velocity of circulation of money increases, its value decreases.

The velocity of money has nothing to do with its' value, the only thing it does is make the economy move faster and increase the GDP, if you refer to inflation it would only happen with an increase in spending over diminished supply, but in this case, it's not about inserting money into the economy is about replacing one legal tender with another, speed of settlement and of transfer of value would not affect anything.

I think Bitcoin should be a store of value rather than a medium of exchange to meet daily needs.

If everyone would be holding and nobody would be using it you could guess the value of it, starts and ends with the same number!
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: Captain Corporate on September 17, 2024, 08:55:05 PM
Its going to be something hard for a nation to wait that 4 year cycle so I understand if he is dissapointed with the price because he started around last bull run so for a while he has been waiting for the price to change and get  back on profit which is why its normal for him to be upset about the price. But if he is talking juat about the adoption as in amount of people using it then arent they a legal tender nation? Shouldnt it be like everyone using it? That has to be something automatic and the fact that he isnt happy with it is a little complicated looking for me
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: Faisal2202 on September 18, 2024, 03:26:48 PM
How should we take the reality of the things happening in El Salvador as far as its adoption of Bitcoin  as a national currency? As for me, this is telling us that Bitcoin may be harder to be adopted as a currency just like the usual fiat money we know and it is principally because of its volatility.

Can we then say that Bitcoin is good for holding and not for the usual payments like buying groceries or buying a cup of coffee all because we may feel we are letting go of an opportunity that in the next day the value of Bitcoin would go up?
If I were a Salvadoran and I was not forced by the government or not given the chance by the government to use Fiat but only BTC, then only I would be adopting BTC for day-to-day expenses otherwise, I would just (if I had savings) hold them in the form of BTC for making profits.

Secondly, I don't think BTC will become the primary currency of any country like Salavadors are still given the option to use fiat as a primary currency, but they will use fiat for day-to-day expenses and also prefer to get payment in that form because if they are getting 100$ a month or a week in the form of BTC, they might not get the full $100, as if the market time they bought BTC to pay their employee was higher, then the time when employees will receive them, the amount will obviously be lower than $100. Just like we experience when we get signature payments.

I will prefer BTC as my payment and for day-to-day uses if and only if I have another source of income in the form of stable currency.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: NotATether on September 21, 2024, 12:14:23 PM
I think his comments about "not having the widespread adoption we hoped for" are quite premature. At least wait until the end of the year to say that, instead of what I like to call bear September - when bitcoin and crypto-currency in general always seem to be down.

Its going to be something hard for a nation to wait that 4 year cycle so I understand if he is dissapointed with the price because he started around last bull run so for a while he has been waiting for the price to change and get  back on profit which is why its normal for him to be upset about the price. But if he is talking juat about the adoption as in amount of people using it then arent they a legal tender nation? Shouldnt it be like everyone using it? That has to be something automatic and the fact that he isnt happy with it is a little complicated looking for me

"It is the year 2034. Bitcoin is worth 2.5 million dollars with a market cap of over 50 trillion dollars. 10% of the global population is using at least one cryptocurrency. And among them, El Salvador had used its bitcoin reserves of over 10 years ago to make itself a developed country."  ;D
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: Stompix on September 21, 2024, 04:59:04 PM
"It is the year 2034. Bitcoin is worth 2.5 million dollars with a market cap of over 50 trillion dollars. 10% of the global population is using at least one cryptocurrency. And among them, El Salvador had used its bitcoin reserves of over 10 years ago to make itself a developed country."  ;D

At 6000 BTC and 2.5 million dollars per coin Salvador will have exactly $2300 per capita, good luck with that!
Meanwhile they just took a new loan and offered a new bond sale for 900 million at 12% yield over 12 years, so they will need a lot of Bitcoin and a lot of growth in the price just to pay the absurd interest!

That has to be something automatic and the fact that he isnt happy with it is a little complicated looking for me

People forget one thing in all this, how much has Salvador spent on all this?
The wallet, the ATMS, all the money on the airdrop, tons of people paid, campaigns, publicity...
All the data from the Chivo is secretized by state, wonder how much they tossed in there they need to hide it!
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: SamReomo on September 21, 2024, 05:22:52 PM
"It is the year 2034. Bitcoin is worth 2.5 million dollars with a market cap of over 50 trillion dollars.
There's chance of that happening in real but there's also a chance that in next 10 years Bitcoin might not be able to even cross $1M barrier. I believe we must see Bitcoin crossing $1M first then we may make predictions that are over $1M.

I know that it's possible to see Bitcoin at $1M, $5M, or even $10M and even higher than that but who knows when that may happen in real. Those are only prediction in current times and who knows how world develops in next 10 years.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: Ujok on September 22, 2024, 07:36:22 PM
if bitcoin becomes a currency for payment of food or a cup of coffee it is also very good but how much loss if bitcoin as a currency of payment like because the price of bitcoin is very high even the price is not fixed even increased. in the past bitcoin was widely used as payment for pizza because in the past the price of bitcoin was very low unlike now, therefore bitcoin holders must have a lot of consideration to make bitcoin as payment, because they think bitcoin is a bright future.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: LogitechMouse on September 22, 2024, 08:08:05 PM
if bitcoin becomes a currency for payment of food or a cup of coffee it is also very good but how much loss if bitcoin as a currency of payment like because the price of bitcoin is very high even the price is not fixed even increased. in the past bitcoin was widely used as payment for pizza because in the past the price of bitcoin was very low unlike now, therefore bitcoin holders must have a lot of consideration to make bitcoin as payment, because they think bitcoin is a bright future.
That's the reason many people sees Bitcoin more as an asset rather than a currency. The volatile nature of it makes the investors hesitant to use it for day-to-day transaction because they will think "What if I use Bitcoin to buy these things and a few weeks from now, the price goes up?" That would be a supposed profit for them if they just choose to hold it instead of using it. This is the reason why nothing, or only few people are using Bitcoin as a payment. It's the mindset, and how we see Bitcoin.

It has been used in the past to buy pizza (infamous Lazlo Hanyecz), but I don't think that there's anybody out there that used Bitcoin again to buy pizza, and if there is, it's only a small transaction. What does Bukele mean when he said "widespread adption"? Is he expecting that all of his countrymen will be using Bitcoin on their day-to-day transactions? :X
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: Lucius on September 23, 2024, 03:08:09 PM
~snip~
It has been used in the past to buy pizza (infamous Lazlo Hanyecz), but I don't think that there's anybody out there that used Bitcoin again to buy pizza, and if there is, it's only a small transaction. What does Bukele mean when he said "widespread adption"? Is he expecting that all of his countrymen will be using Bitcoin on their day-to-day transactions? :X

You think no one has ever paid for a pizza with BTC? I'm surprised that you've never heard of how the day when the most expensive pizzas in the world were bought is celebrated, and that there are many restaurants that allow you to pay directly with BTC.

Maybe you should look at the following link -> Celebrate Bitcoin Pizza Day by Ordering Pizza with Bitcoin (https://bitpay.com/blog/bitcoin-pizza-day/)
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: Captain Corporate on September 23, 2024, 08:00:58 PM
He is still growing it though, I just saw that he is working on some solar panel deal with Elon Musk to be built in el salvador, so that the could end up using it for mining crypto. That is a big impşrovement for a government to consider something like that, plus starlink thing that Elon has for internet as well but that's irrelevant. Just because he said this, do not think that he is not considering it a great thing, he still likes bitcoin as much as the next guy and he hopes that it grows even further. This isn't a thing that he said that links him to giving up, he is not giving up, he hopes for even more and that's why he said this.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: philipma1957 on September 23, 2024, 08:11:57 PM

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El Salvador’s pro-crypto president Nayib Bukele said that despite Bitcoin’s strong presence in the Central American nation’s economic growth, adoption hasn’t met the expectations.

Bukele, latest to feature on TIME magazine cover, noted that the country’s Bitcoin strategy is generally “net positive.” However, Bitcoin adoption rate has fallen short.

He said that the digital asset has played a major role in the lives of many Salvadorans in day-to-day payments. The country has never forced anyone to adopt it, rather, offered it as an option, the president noted.

“It hasn’t had the adoption we expected,” he added. “I expected more adoption, definitely, but we always prided ourselves on being a free country, free in every way.” Bukele also advocated people to use Bitcoin now, as they “will probably have gains in the future.”


The link of this news is here! (https://cryptonews.com/news/bitcoin-hasnt-had-the-widespread-adoption-we-hoped-for-el-salvador-president/)


How should we take the reality of the things happening in El Salvador as far as its adoption of Bitcoin  as a national currency? As for me, this is telling us that Bitcoin may be harder to be adopted as a currency just like the usual fiat money we know and it is principally because of its volatility.

Can we then say that Bitcoin is good for holding and not for the usual payments like buying groceries or buying a cup of coffee all because we may feel we are letting go of an opportunity that in the next day the value of Bitcoin would go up?

BTC is a terrible medium for currency its value goes up and up and up.

Doge is the best designed coin for p2p

the predictable eternally reducing inflation rate. Solves run away pricing on Doge.

the endless 10,000 coin reward solves the miners profitability issue.

10x the blocks makes the basic doge blockchain 10x able to do transactions.

 
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: Freemind on September 23, 2024, 09:11:48 PM
If what Bukele expected is that in a few months everyone would use Bitcoin as a means of payment in all aspects of life, he was very wrong, and that warns of a lack of knowledge regarding the use cases. Education, unfortunately, is not one of the best things in El Salvador, and is the cornerstone of an "advanced" society, and when I say advanced I don't just mean technology.

Knowledge and education are very necessary to be able to use "new" technologies quickly and safely. I think Bukele should continue promoting the use of Bitcoin, but solving the problem of school dropouts would be essential in this case, so the new generations would have better knowledge.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: Themepen on September 23, 2024, 09:40:34 PM
If what Bukele expected is that in a few months everyone would use Bitcoin as a means of payment in all aspects of life, he was very wrong, and that warns of a lack of knowledge regarding the use cases. Education, unfortunately, is not one of the best things in El Salvador, and is the cornerstone of an "advanced" society, and when I say advanced I don't just mean technology.

Knowledge and education are very necessary to be able to use "new" technologies quickly and safely. I think Bukele should continue promoting the use of Bitcoin, but solving the problem of school dropouts would be essential in this case, so the new generations would have better knowledge.
President Bukele vision for El Salvador widespread Bitcoin adoption was ambitious but country financial literacy and education challenges have hindered progress. Many Salvadorans struggle to understand Bitcoin benefits and uses highlighting need for comprehensive education and training programs.

El Salvador Bitcoin experiment has shown promise in areas like Bitcoin Beach in El Zonte but nationwide adoption has been slower than expected. Only 20% of firms accept Bitcoin and many citizens prefer cash transactions. To address this government launched initiatives like My First Bitcoin educating students and teachers about Bitcoin and its applications.
By prioritizing education and financial literacy El Salvador can create favorable environment for Bitcoin adoption and foster more advanced technologically savvy society. Bukele continued promotion of Bitcoin coupled with targeted education initiatives can help El Salvador realize its potential as pioneer in cryptocurrency adoption.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: dkbit98 on September 23, 2024, 10:20:45 PM
Bukele meats Elon Musk.
Both guys are a part of global cabala and they went to UN General Assembly in New York.
Slavery by 2030 officially approved.


Doge is the best designed coin for p2p
:o
This crap was literally created as a joke project without any thinking and solution to anything.
There are no updates and code improvements, no real developers behind it, just a tweaked bitcoin code that is good for nothing.
If you don't believe me, just hear what Doge creator is saying about it.
And  I don' understand why would you even talk about doge here...
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: PrivateKayla on September 24, 2024, 05:35:45 AM
The widespread adoption of Bitcoin and crypto will take time even if countries consider them to be legal tender. Crypto education takes time. It's foolish to assume that just because crypto is quite the byword these days, everyone knows how to make crypto transactions. We have to admit that it's not as smooth as, let's say, sending fiat through Venmo, Zelle, or other payment apps. If you're running errands or going through your day-to-day routine, paying using BTC or any other coins is not as easy as sounds. Most people would rather pay fiat because it's quicker. Add the fees and most people would rather use other payment options.

That said, it's still commendable how El Salvador considers Bitcoin as legal tender. I believe it's the first step towards widespread adoption. I believe we'll see that eventually in the future.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: philipma1957 on September 25, 2024, 01:46:24 AM
Bukele meats Elon Musk.
Both guys are a part of global cabala and they went to UN General Assembly in New York.
Slavery by 2030 officially approved.


Doge is the best designed coin for p2p
:o
This crap was literally created as a joke project without any thinking and solution to anything.
There are no updates and code improvements, no real developers behind it, just a tweaked bitcoin code that is good for nothing.
If you don't believe me, just hear what Doge creator is saying about it.
And  I don' understand why would you even talk about doge here...


too bad as i am telling you mathematics shows that doge is the superior coin for p2p

san salvador picked btc due to its first come on the scene.

no matter what you want to believe doge is the better coin to replace the dollar.

and if it was a joke the joke was the greatest joke ever done.

and I am explaining to you that in a broke country like san salvador a 11 cent coin is far better for poor peopel to wrap their minds around it.

I am sorry you choose to disagree with simple math.

who want to lay out a btc at 30k to buy a car and find out a year later the btc is worth 64k

ANSWER IS NO ONE WANTS TO DO THAT.

thus btc is a terrible choice for p2p

good for investment bad for cash

while doge is meh for investment gooc for cash.

maybe thats why he was talking with musk and musk wants him to adopt doge for p2p

once again when any one talks about btc for p2p i will bring up doge for p2p

Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: Lucius on September 25, 2024, 04:46:16 PM
san salvador picked btc due to its first come on the scene.
~snip~

I will not enter into the debate which is better for payment, I personally try to get the best of both from BTC, I do not dispute that for me personally BTC was (and still is) an excellent hedge against inflation, but also that I use it as a currency in certain situations.

Many do not know that Bukele actually had another crypto-currency in mind for a long time, but the negotiations failed when the Tether boys team got involved in the whole story. If this had not happened by some chance, maybe today we would be talking about how El Salvador has Cardano and not Bitcoin for legal tender.

Quote from: https://davidgerard.co.uk/blockchain/2022/02/26/el-salvador-bitcoin-tether-buys-itself-a-country-and-why-chivo-sucks/
A team from Cardano came to El Salvador in early 2020 to promote their minor altcoin ADA as a possible legal tender crypto, and negotiated up to mid-2021. Apparently, negotiations failed just a few weeks before Bukele’s big announcement about Bitcoin in June 2021 — and the whole project was scrapped.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: Freemind on September 25, 2024, 08:53:51 PM
President Bukele vision for El Salvador widespread Bitcoin adoption was ambitious but country financial literacy and education challenges have hindered progress. Many Salvadorans struggle to understand Bitcoin benefits and uses highlighting need for comprehensive education and training programs.

El Salvador Bitcoin experiment has shown promise in areas like Bitcoin Beach in El Zonte but nationwide adoption has been slower than expected. Only 20% of firms accept Bitcoin and many citizens prefer cash transactions. To address this government launched initiatives like My First Bitcoin educating students and teachers about Bitcoin and its applications.
By prioritizing education and financial literacy El Salvador can create favorable environment for Bitcoin adoption and foster more advanced technologically savvy society. Bukele continued promotion of Bitcoin coupled with targeted education initiatives can help El Salvador realize its potential as pioneer in cryptocurrency adoption.

I think it is normal that Bitcoin has been used more in the two areas you mention, since they will probably be tourist areas (I am not 100% sure) and it is possible that people who visit those areas from other countries are more familiar with Bitcoin and blockchain. I also believe that for Bitcoin to be used at the level that Bukele expected from the beginning, many more years must pass than what has passed until now and give time for people to become familiar with Bitcoin, everything requires a process of adaptation and adoption.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 25, 2024, 10:21:31 PM
if bitcoin becomes a currency for payment of food or a cup of coffee it is also very good but how much loss if bitcoin as a currency of payment like because the price of bitcoin is very high even the price is not fixed even increased. in the past bitcoin was widely used as payment for pizza because in the past the price of bitcoin was very low unlike now, therefore bitcoin holders must have a lot of consideration to make bitcoin as payment, because they think bitcoin is a bright future.

If anyone (holder/investor) wants to pay for a particular services or goods using their Bitcoin, they can still do it without any complain, regardless of the high price of Bitcoin. The only difference there is that in the past, people paid a larg volume of Bitcoin for an item because the value of Bitcoin was still poor then, but if anyone wants to pay for an items in Bitcoin, the price of that item will be converted its equivalence in Bitcoin.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: Kemarit on September 26, 2024, 03:29:16 PM
if bitcoin becomes a currency for payment of food or a cup of coffee it is also very good but how much loss if bitcoin as a currency of payment like because the price of bitcoin is very high even the price is not fixed even increased. in the past bitcoin was widely used as payment for pizza because in the past the price of bitcoin was very low unlike now, therefore bitcoin holders must have a lot of consideration to make bitcoin as payment, because they think bitcoin is a bright future.

If anyone (holder/investor) wants to pay for a particular services or goods using their Bitcoin, they can still do it without any complain, regardless of the high price of Bitcoin. The only difference there is that in the past, people paid a larg volume of Bitcoin for an item because the value of Bitcoin was still poor then, but if anyone wants to pay for an items in Bitcoin, the price of that item will be converted its equivalence in Bitcoin.

What we should be looking at is that we treat Bitcoin as sound money, so that when we go used it to buy stuff and things on the internet, we won't be complaining or it.

But the thing is that it become a sort of investment and with that, we have the accumulation and HODL mentally. So probably some people inside El Salvador could also be thinking the same for like the majority of us that Bitcoin should be look like a assets that can grow in the future to make more money for us.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: dansus021 on September 26, 2024, 03:37:40 PM
Can we then say that Bitcoin is good for holding and not for the usual payments like buying groceries or buying a cup of coffee all because we may feel we are letting go of an opportunity that in the next day the value of Bitcoin would go up?

For me bitcoin is good for holding and act as digital gold or the counter for the inflation because here in Indonesia bitcoin would never be day-to-day currency because the government said so but you can trade freely and hold as well since crypto act as commodity here.

In the case of el salvador I don't know how bitcoin payment work there? is there app to transfer like e-wallet or just transfer via bitcoin network that really expensive for day to day transaction in my opinion.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: bitterguy28 on September 27, 2024, 10:51:47 AM
In the case of el salvador I don't know how bitcoin payment work there? is there app to transfer like e-wallet or just transfer via bitcoin network that really expensive for day to day transaction in my opinion.
there is nothing too different from crypto transactions there the only difference is that the country legally recognizes bitcoin as another currency but people are not obliged to use or pay with bitcoin but the option is right there

i have seen a blog from a tourist before saying that when he went to el salvador it was only a few chosen stores that receive bitcoin as payment so it is indeed true that despite the government’s push, the adoption is not spreading due to people not wanting to spend their bitcoins
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 27, 2024, 09:05:24 PM
if bitcoin becomes a currency for payment of food or a cup of coffee it is also very good but how much loss if bitcoin as a currency of payment like because the price of bitcoin is very high even the price is not fixed even increased. in the past bitcoin was widely used as payment for pizza because in the past the price of bitcoin was very low unlike now, therefore bitcoin holders must have a lot of consideration to make bitcoin as payment, because they think bitcoin is a bright future.

If anyone (holder/investor) wants to pay for a particular services or goods using their Bitcoin, they can still do it without any complain, regardless of the high price of Bitcoin. The only difference there is that in the past, people paid a larg volume of Bitcoin for an item because the value of Bitcoin was still poor then, but if anyone wants to pay for an items in Bitcoin, the price of that item will be converted its equivalence in Bitcoin.

What we should be looking at is that we treat Bitcoin as sound money, so that when we go used it to buy stuff and things on the internet, we won't be complaining or it.

But the thing is that it become a sort of investment and with that, we have the accumulation and HODL mentally. So probably some people inside El Salvador could also be thinking the same for like the majority of us that Bitcoin should be look like a assets that can grow in the future to make more money for us.
Well, initially, the volatile nature of Bitcoin has really encouraged people to having and adopting an investment mindset, rather than using it mainly as a payment method, they’d rather focus more on the accumulation and HODLing strategy. Although this isn’t totally bad as it has its own advantages too because it has enabled many people to witness the price of Bitcoin grow overtime.

However, the move that El Salvador made towards making Bitcoin a legal tender has actually presented the people with the opportunity to consider Bitcoin for its other purposes. Because since they can now use Bitcoin for daily transactions, they can now also consider its use as  sound money.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: Z-tight on September 27, 2024, 09:15:33 PM
i have seen a blog from a tourist before saying that when he went to el salvador it was only a few chosen stores that receive bitcoin as payment so it is indeed true that despite the government’s push, the adoption is not spreading due to people not wanting to spend their bitcoins
It is true that very few merchants accept BTC and only very few people are ready to spend BTC over there. The government have done well to make BTC a legal tender, but i don't think they have exposed BTC to the people in a decentralized way, even the Chivo wallet that they introduced was a custodial wallet. I wish that with time many people in El Salvador would understand what BTC actually is and use it too.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: Crwth on September 27, 2024, 09:19:26 PM
This is quite old news, but it’s still relevant in terms of how people could get into cryptocurrencies. I believe Bitcoin is more of a store of value rather than Something we use every day. A lot of currencies would be better, or maybe they could create their own or something.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: Stompix on September 27, 2024, 10:41:58 PM
Many do not know that Bukele actually had another crypto-currency in mind for a long time, but the negotiations failed when the Tether boys team got involved in the whole story. If this had not happened by some chance, maybe today we would be talking about how El Salvador has Cardano and not Bitcoin for legal tender.

Quote from: https://davidgerard.co.uk/blockchain/2022/02/26/el-salvador-bitcoin-tether-buys-itself-a-country-and-why-chivo-sucks/
A team from Cardano came to El Salvador in early 2020 to promote their minor altcoin ADA as a possible legal tender crypto, and negotiated up to mid-2021. Apparently, negotiations failed just a few weeks before Bukele’s big announcement about Bitcoin in June 2021 — and the whole project was scrapped.

Or translating this to the language most don't want to hear:
Bukele has chosen Bitcoin because he got paid more by the Bitcoin guys than the Cardano!
But as usual, the internet is making a Messiah from a guy who has been caught lying over and over again!

Where is the 200MW well for Bitcoin mining? The Bitcoin city? Bicoin bonds? Bitcoin farms?
He talks about renewable energy for bitcoin mining and then he signs the biggest LNG contract in the history of Salvador!
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: Freemind on September 28, 2024, 09:54:32 AM
Or translating this to the language most don't want to hear:
Bukele has chosen Bitcoin because he got paid more by the Bitcoin guys than the Cardano!
But as usual, the internet is making a Messiah from a guy who has been caught lying over and over again!

Where is the 200MW well for Bitcoin mining? The Bitcoin city? Bicoin bonds? Bitcoin farms?
He talks about renewable energy for bitcoin mining and then he signs the biggest LNG contract in the history of Salvador!

Bukele, like many (if not all) other politicians, says and promises many things, but then delivers very few or none of those things, that's something that shouldn't surprise anyone, since we're not 10 years old. It is likely that even buying many more Bitcoins than "the country has now" things will remain the same as before. Bukele is looking for investors to project everything he says (Bitcoin city, Bicoin bonds) and thus attract more capital. Bukele does not have the capacity to address all of this alone, and he still has very serious problems in his country such as education and gangs, something that, contrary to what many believe, has not been 100% eradicated.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: Lucius on September 28, 2024, 03:45:06 PM
Or translating this to the language most don't want to hear:
Bukele has chosen Bitcoin because he got paid more by the Bitcoin guys than the Cardano!
But as usual, the internet is making a Messiah from a guy who has been caught lying over and over again!


The article from which the quote was posted is perhaps the best article about how BTC became a legal tender in El Salvador, which I posted several times on BTT, but without almost any response because it is not something that fits into the general perception of the country in which there are wonderful sandy beaches, palm trees, beautiful women and you can pay for everything with BTC. Few people are interested in the background of the story, but that just means that most people think that the end justifies any means.

Where is the 200MW well for Bitcoin mining? The Bitcoin city? Bicoin bonds? Bitcoin farms?
He talks about renewable energy for bitcoin mining and then he signs the biggest LNG contract in the history of Salvador!


Someone can say whatever they want, but investors go where they feel safe in the long term, and Bukele allegedly claims that this is his last term in the presidential chair, and the logical question is what will happen when he leaves? Changing policies in the countries of Central and South America is something that is quite common, and this means that in 5 or 10 years we may have a president in El Salvador who will be completely against BTC.

+1



~snip~
Bukele does not have the capacity to address all of this alone, and he still has very serious problems in his country such as education and gangs, something that, contrary to what many believe, has not been 100% eradicated.


It is obvious that something had to be done about the gangs that were destroying the country, but in the process approved by Bukele, thousands of innocent people died and were falsely accused and thrown into prisons. I have read many sad stories that remind me of what I had the opportunity to experience when I was growing up under communism. It is difficult that a better future can be built on the violation of human rights, torture, executions - but Bukele calls himself a dictator, which he actually is.

El Salvador Events of 2023 (https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2024/country-chapters/el-salvador)

+1
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: philipma1957 on September 28, 2024, 06:01:33 PM
Or translating this to the language most don't want to hear:
Bukele has chosen Bitcoin because he got paid more by the Bitcoin guys than the Cardano!
But as usual, the internet is making a Messiah from a guy who has been caught lying over and over again!


The article from which the quote was posted is perhaps the best article about how BTC became a legal tender in El Salvador, which I posted several times on BTT, but without almost any response because it is not something that fits into the general perception of the country in which there are wonderful sandy beaches, palm trees, beautiful women and you can pay for everything with BTC. Few people are interested in the background of the story, but that just means that most people think that the end justifies any means.

Where is the 200MW well for Bitcoin mining? The Bitcoin city? Bicoin bonds? Bitcoin farms?
He talks about renewable energy for bitcoin mining and then he signs the biggest LNG contract in the history of Salvador!


Someone can say whatever they want, but investors go where they feel safe in the long term, and Bukele allegedly claims that this is his last term in the presidential chair, and the logical question is what will happen when he leaves? Changing policies in the countries of Central and South America is something that is quite common, and this means that in 5 or 10 years we may have a president in El Salvador who will be completely against BTC.

+1



~snip~
Bukele does not have the capacity to address all of this alone, and he still has very serious problems in his country such as education and gangs, something that, contrary to what many believe, has not been 100% eradicated.


It is obvious that something had to be done about the gangs that were destroying the country, but in the process approved by Bukele, thousands of innocent people died and were falsely accused and thrown into prisons. I have read many sad stories that remind me of what I had the opportunity to experience when I was growing up under communism. It is difficult that a better future can be built on the violation of human rights, torture, executions - but Bukele calls himself a dictator, which he actually is.

El Salvador Events of 2023 (https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2024/country-chapters/el-salvador)

+1

It is hard to rule a country.
Lots of reasons why.
Gangs exist in rich countries.

USA is filled with gangs. The government has issues keeping them in check.

poor countries are worse off.

I feel that a poor country wiuld be better off with a cheaper coin than btc.

realistically what does a person in a poor part of san salvador earn?


https://www.statista.com/statistics/1070121/gross-national-income-per-capita-el-salvador/

above says 4900 usd a person.

they are more likely willing to use a cheap coin not btc.

the move was not done-to help the bottom 90% of the people.

Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: NotATether on September 28, 2024, 06:58:33 PM
Bukele, like many (if not all) other politicians, says and promises many things, but then delivers very few or none of those things, that's something that shouldn't surprise anyone, since we're not 10 years old. It is likely that even buying many more Bitcoins than "the country has now" things will remain the same as before. Bukele is looking for investors to project everything he says (Bitcoin city, Bicoin bonds) and thus attract more capital. Bukele does not have the capacity to address all of this alone, and he still has very serious problems in his country such as education and gangs, something that, contrary to what many believe, has not been 100% eradicated.

I feel like a lot of people over promise and try to give people the moon but then they under deliver.

So it's not surprising at all to see heads of states doing it, especially the ones who are leading a very, let's say, "radical" change.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: Stompix on September 28, 2024, 07:53:06 PM
Someone can say whatever they want, but investors go where they feel safe in the long term, and Bukele allegedly claims that this is his last term in the presidential chair, and the logical question is what will happen when he leaves?

Everyone can say whatever they want, they can lie and they can tell the truth, it's their choice!
What pisses me off is that some believe the guy just because it aligns with his interest!

Bukele, like many (if not all) other politicians, says and promises many things, but then delivers very few or none of those things, that's something that shouldn't surprise anyone, since we're not 10 years old. It is likely that even buying many more Bitcoins than "the country has now" things will remain the same as before. Bukele is looking for investors to project everything he says (Bitcoin city, Bicoin bonds) and thus attract more capital.

Well, the first we should do is make everyone understand that he is buying Bitcoin with government money, he is putting ATMs in towns with government money, transactions so are subsidized by government money, and he has made state secret all about what he has spent and who he has hired and paid for this but also he hasn't at least once told us how he does with his personal finance!
What if he would have failed? He would just move along!

He is using both Bitcoin and the money of the country as a PR show and people have tuned him into some kind of Jesus!
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: dkbit98 on September 28, 2024, 10:18:50 PM
So it's not surprising at all to see heads of states doing it, especially the ones who are leading a very, let's say, "radical" change.
I don't trust him or any other president and politician today.
Bukele is just a part of the circus how, now he is going to talk with Elon Musk because they are all in the same ''club''.
I am seriously starting to think they are only using Bitcoin as one of their tools to manipulate markets and make more money.
It’s a big club and you ain’t in it  8)

(https://i.ibb.co/4K3W9HP/img8de48c730f0d932e8e8ed96b98313ce2.jpg)
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: Freemind on September 29, 2024, 12:41:33 PM
I don't trust him or any other president and politician today.
Bukele is just a part of the circus how, now he is going to talk with Elon Musk because they are all in the same ''club''.
I am seriously starting to think they are only using Bitcoin as one of their tools to manipulate markets and make more money.
It’s a big club and you ain’t in it  8)

(https://i.ibb.co/4K3W9HP/img8de48c730f0d932e8e8ed96b98313ce2.jpg)

Bukele, like Musk, are some of those who pull the strings from above, at the other extreme are the puppets, which are the millions of people who follow them, applaud them and idolize them, whatever they say, and do whatever they do. Some consider them geniuses and others even consider them gods. The reality, however, is different. They are simply manipulators with a lot of power who try to get the rest of us to do what they want when they want.

Every time I see one of them (and others) this song comes to mind :o:

Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: Lucius on September 29, 2024, 03:42:16 PM
It is hard to rule a country.
Lots of reasons why.
Gangs exist in rich countries.

USA is filled with gangs. The government has issues keeping them in check.

poor countries are worse off.

I feel that a poor country wiuld be better off with a cheaper coin than btc.

realistically what does a person in a poor part of san salvador earn?


https://www.statista.com/statistics/1070121/gross-national-income-per-capita-el-salvador/

above says 4900 usd a person.

they are more likely willing to use a cheap coin not btc.

the move was not done-to help the bottom 90% of the people.


Do you think that Doge or another altcoin would change something in this regard? I am sure that this would not be the case, because the problem is not the price of BTC itself or the price of transactions, but rather the problem is imposing something on people without them actually wanting it.

The history of governance in that part of the world has always focused on dictators and corrupting regimes that have never asked the people for anything, and I wonder if anyone has asked the people of El Salvador if they want to give up their national currency and accept the US dollar? Admittedly, that was 20+ years ago and it's not something to do with Bukele, but it has to do with the mentality of politicians.

I would conclude that people in El Salvador are only behaving defiantly in relation to the government and the president, who impose something on them that they obviously do not want, and literally send the message "if you want BTC, take it, we don't need it".
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: philipma1957 on September 29, 2024, 05:31:46 PM
It is hard to rule a country.
Lots of reasons why.
Gangs exist in rich countries.

USA is filled with gangs. The government has issues keeping them in check.

poor countries are worse off.

I feel that a poor country wiuld be better off with a cheaper coin than btc.

realistically what does a person in a poor part of san salvador earn?


https://www.statista.com/statistics/1070121/gross-national-income-per-capita-el-salvador/

above says 4900 usd a person.

they are more likely willing to use a cheap coin not btc.

the move was not done-to help the bottom 90% of the people.


Do you think that Doge or another altcoin would change something in this regard? I am sure that this would not be the case, because the problem is not the price of BTC itself or the price of transactions, but rather the problem is imposing something on people without them actually wanting it.

The history of governance in that part of the world has always focused on dictators and corrupting regimes that have never asked the people for anything, and I wonder if anyone has asked the people of El Salvador if they want to give up their national currency and accept the US dollar? Admittedly, that was 20+ years ago and it's not something to do with Bukele, but it has to do with the mentality of politicians.

I would conclude that people in El Salvador are only behaving defiantly in relation to the government and the president, who impose something on them that they obviously do not want, and literally send the message "if you want BTC, take it, we don't need it".

the people want a coin or dollar or unit of value they can afford that does not dump via inflation.

so dollar unpredictable inflation
btc lets face it great to hodl as investment ue to scarcity
doge lets face it not rare but very predictable controlled descending rate of inflation

for a guy or girl making 4900 usd a year btc does not cut it as they can not hodl it.

so dollar vs doge vs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvadoran_colon

colon which was switched to the dollar in 2001

my guess is maybe they would have wanted the dollar or doge but not btc or the colon

I further guess that he talks with musk now because they may fold in doge.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: Lucius on September 30, 2024, 06:09:53 PM
~snip~
I further guess that he talks with musk now because they may fold in doge.


Do you think something like that has any chance of happening? I mean, if the average person in El Salvador did not accept BTC, would it be realistic to expect them to accept something like Doge?

It seems to me that the two do not talk about these things, but that Mr. Mars only sympathizes with Bukele for obvious reasons - they are of similar minds even though they are in different positions.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: philipma1957 on October 01, 2024, 06:45:43 PM
~snip~
I further guess that he talks with musk now because they may fold in doge.


Do you think something like that has any chance of happening? I mean, if the average person in El Salvador did not accept BTC, would it be realistic to expect them to accept something like Doge?

It seems to me that the two do not talk about these things, but that Mr. Mars only sympathizes with Bukele for obvious reasons - they are of similar minds even though they are in different positions.


Will since the average income is 4900 usd a year.

and doge is like 12 cents it has to be more available to all those low income people.

It is very hard to predict what large groups of people will do.  But to take a flyer with 1000 usd in btc when more and more btc seems to be hodl hodl hodl really appears to me to be out of reach for most of El Salvadors people.

To use 20 or 30 Usd worth of doge vs 20 or 30 worth of btc seems like what poor people would do.

They may also grab the doge to get usd which I think they would prefer.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: Aanuoluwatofunmi on October 03, 2024, 07:27:05 PM
El-Salvador started well and continue in this same tempo for more success, but one thing we may have to understand and learn from them is the mentality of striving more for excellence, because they are never relenting and all they keep doing is to strive more for excellence, because they understands what is ahead of them, they are not ready to settle for less before another country come up and take over from them, they were therefore making more efforts to see that bitcoin has gotten to the final destination of being well recognized in their country.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: Rami on October 05, 2024, 06:51:03 PM
Absolutely! It’s like trying to buy coffee with a stock certificate—great for holding, but not so practical for daily purchases! ☕📈 Maybe we should just stick to using Bitcoin for big purchases and keep the coffee runs in good old fiat. After all, no one wants to risk their morning brew turning into a luxury item overnight!
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: Stompix on October 05, 2024, 09:53:30 PM
El-Salvador started well and continue in this same tempo for more success, but one thing we may have to understand and learn from them is the mentality of striving more for excellence, because they are never relenting and all they keep doing is to strive more for excellence, because they understands what is ahead of them, they are not ready to settle for less before another country come up and take over from them, they were therefore making more efforts to see that bitcoin has gotten to the final destination of being well recognized in their country.

Strive for more excellence?
Bruh, hey are buying coins, that's all, spare me the excellence"!
Never relenting, lol, you're talking like they are on the verge of shitting gold through alchemy!
Send them a congratulating letter, I'm sure most people in Salvador are unaware of their achievement!
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: KingsDen on October 05, 2024, 11:45:52 PM
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Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Beyond the spheres of El Salvador, I believe bitcoin is doing very well. I am not sure that there's any other technology whose vision oppose that of the government that has made progress like bitcoin in a short period of time. In the years past, activity like ETF was most us of thought would never happen, but today it has happened and yet we have seen it as something normal. Bitcoin might not be as fast as we want but it is moving.

In El Salvador, I'll say that the government rushed things in the beginning. They would have invested more on sensitisation before full adoption because humans can resist what they do not understand.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: Baofeng on October 08, 2024, 10:11:10 PM
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Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Beyond the spheres of El Salvador, I believe bitcoin is doing very well. I am not sure that there's any other technology whose vision oppose that of the government that has made progress like bitcoin in a short period of time. In the years past, activity like ETF was most us of thought would never happen, but today it has happened and yet we have seen it as something normal. Bitcoin might not be as fast as we want but it is moving.

In El Salvador, I'll say that the government rushed things in the beginning. They would have invested more on sensitisation before full adoption because humans can resist what they do not understand.

I might have to agree that Bukele rush it for his people to adopt or used it at this time, however during that time, Bitcoin is already global and perhaps many El Salvadorian are already into it and so that is a ++ for them, but not for the whole population.

Regardless, Bukele will definitely go and continue and preach Bitcoin in his country. And outside, we are slowly getting adopted as well, so still a win-win for us. Bukele might need to be in power though, so it's just a matter of time before him no longer the President, but still Bitcoin thriving or him the President but Bitcoin is not adopted in his country.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: Freemind on October 13, 2024, 01:02:27 PM
I might have to agree that Bukele rush it for his people to adopt or used it at this time, however during that time, Bitcoin is already global and perhaps many El Salvadorian are already into it and so that is a ++ for them, but not for the whole population.

Regardless, Bukele will definitely go and continue and preach Bitcoin in his country. And outside, we are slowly getting adopted as well, so still a win-win for us. Bukele might need to be in power though, so it's just a matter of time before him no longer the President, but still Bitcoin thriving or him the President but Bitcoin is not adopted in his country.

When people do not have basic things like education, health or security (we already know what El Salvador was like until recently) it is difficult to take another step. I mean that Bukele has tried to make the country run before it could walk safely, and I am not referring to security in the streets, but in the technological section. It is okay to adopt "new" technologies, it is okay to want a country to grow economically and advance, but to be able to achieve all this you have to start from the roots, not from the branches, the weakest parts of a tree.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: KingsDen on October 13, 2024, 10:03:49 PM
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Regardless, Bukele will definitely go and continue and preach Bitcoin in his country. And outside, we are slowly getting adopted as well, so still a win-win for us.
There's an additional stress convincing someone who was misinformed about bitcoin the second time, especially if they lose money. This is the reason many people have become adamant to bitcoin investment no matter how successful it is. That is why it is so important to give a newbie a very first hand information before they are misinformed.
I heard that some of the El Salvador citizens actually did protest against Bukele's bitcoin decision then. If this is true and the protest not politically motivated, it will be difficult to re-orient them than catching them first hand.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: Freemind on October 14, 2024, 08:40:14 PM
There's an additional stress convincing someone who was misinformed about bitcoin the second time, especially if they lose money. This is the reason many people have become adamant to bitcoin investment no matter how successful it is. That is why it is so important to give a newbie a very first hand information before they are misinformed.
I heard that some of the El Salvador citizens actually did protest against Bukele's bitcoin decision then. If this is true and the protest not politically motivated, it will be difficult to re-orient them than catching them first hand.

When something is imposed by force (Bukele has great popularity and support from the majority of the population of El Salvador) it is very difficult to change the minds of those who impose the laws and regulations. I think that President Bukele's idea of ​​using Bitcoin for the country could have been much better accepted by the population in a few years, when the economy grew on its own and the population sufficiently improved its quality of life. For this reason (and other things) citizens are against Bitcoin, but that decision is not going to change on Bukele's part.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: Z-tight on October 14, 2024, 11:30:07 PM
Absolutely! It’s like trying to buy coffee with a stock certificate—great for holding, but not so practical for daily purchases! ☕📈 Maybe we should just stick to using Bitcoin for big purchases and keep the coffee runs in good old fiat. After all, no one wants to risk their morning brew turning into a luxury item overnight!
BTC is great for large and cross-border payments, but there is no harm spending a little of your coins on a cup of coffee or for micropayments, as long as tx fee is low at that time. However, i understand that due to how high the price of BTC can rise, more people will want to hold their coins than spend it.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: philipma1957 on October 14, 2024, 11:57:53 PM
Absolutely! It’s like trying to buy coffee with a stock certificate—great for holding, but not so practical for daily purchases! ☕📈 Maybe we should just stick to using Bitcoin for big purchases and keep the coffee runs in good old fiat. After all, no one wants to risk their morning brew turning into a luxury item overnight!

It not about buying anything with btc.

It is a terrible thing to spend btc for almost anything you can think of.

THE problem is btc is known to appreciate bigly.

I purchased a car for 38k no way would I use 38k in btc to buy.

Btc is likely to go 2x or 3x in a year.

So 38k in btc may become 76 to 114k by may.

because of ½ ing action btc is designed to become more valuable. so hodl hodl hodl is what most owners of btc should be doing.


cheap coins like doge which never stop turning out 10,000 coins a block but have a slowly  dropping inflation rate means it should never grow as high or as fast as btc will.

the natural coin for p2p is doge not btc. it is simple math.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: Captain Corporate on October 15, 2024, 02:04:28 AM
That doesn't matter if you are also earning with BTC as well. Sure, if you are earning fiat, then you want to keep your BTC and not touch it and spend the fiat you are earning instead, and you may even want to put some of the fiat earnings you have into bitcoin as well. But if you are earning bitcoin then spending bitcoin in return doesn't look as bad as you think, to me it doesn't. I believe if you earn bitcoin, then you may save some, but the rest will go to living expenses in most cases. This is why I believe for El Salvador things could get better in the future when people earn and spend.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: LogitechMouse on October 15, 2024, 03:34:09 AM
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Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Beyond the spheres of El Salvador, I believe bitcoin is doing very well. I am not sure that there's any other technology whose vision oppose that of the government that has made progress like bitcoin in a short period of time. In the years past, activity like ETF was most us of thought would never happen, but today it has happened and yet we have seen it as something normal. Bitcoin might not be as fast as we want but it is moving.

In El Salvador, I'll say that the government rushed things in the beginning. They would have invested more on sensitisation before full adoption because humans can resist what they do not understand.

I might have to agree that Bukele rush it for his people to adopt or used it at this time, however during that time, Bitcoin is already global and perhaps many El Salvadorian are already into it and so that is a ++ for them, but not for the whole population.

Regardless, Bukele will definitely go and continue and preach Bitcoin in his country. And outside, we are slowly getting adopted as well, so still a win-win for us. Bukele might need to be in power though, so it's just a matter of time before him no longer the President, but still Bitcoin thriving or him the President but Bitcoin is not adopted in his country.
You don't expect ALL of the people in EL Salvador to agree with what the President is saying including this one that's why we are seeing some protests here and there with regards to his decision with regards to Bitcoin.

Like you said though, he will continue to support Bitcoin even though there are some who are against it. The fact that he won the presidential election yet again is a sign that many are still in support with him... or are they? :D He knows more about Bitcoin, and he also knows that it will be a long process, but there's an increase an adoption in every single year passes by. As for the "Widespread Adoption" that he hoped for, I would just think that their expectations is just that high that it didn't get reached.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: target on October 15, 2024, 01:48:18 PM

A very recent article about El Salvador was that IMF was trying to tell them to stop using Bitcoin which itncouod only mean BTC still still adopted in the country.

If CBDC is introduced to El Salvador, people will not be using it. Just like in Nigeria, the IMF was trying to preach the government for moving forward and doing the most innovative when they introduced CBDC to the Nigerians. In the end Nigerians didn't use the eNaira.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: KingsDen on October 15, 2024, 10:50:58 PM

A very recent article about El Salvador was that IMF was trying to tell them to stop using Bitcoin which itncouod only mean BTC still still adopted in the country.

If CBDC is introduced to El Salvador, people will not be using it. Just like in Nigeria, the IMF was trying to preach the government for moving forward and doing the most innovative when they introduced CBDC to the Nigerians. In the end Nigerians didn't use the eNaira.
Nigerians case with enaira was just like a civil disobedience. The government was arrogant about it. In the case of El Salvador, Bukele used an incentive approach, to the extent of gifting people $30 in BTC when they download a certain wallet. Giving someone an initial $30 BTC investment is a good push.

But in the case of Nigeria and her enaira, they threatened marketers and traders that if they don't use enaira, they'll stop the physical cash and they even did so. But Nigerians resisted and that was the end. Trying to sell a new idea to people, you use a mild approach and not being coercive.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: Asiska02 on October 18, 2024, 08:14:05 PM
How should we take the reality of the things happening in El Salvador as far as its adoption of Bitcoin  as a national currency? As for me, this is telling us that Bitcoin may be harder to be adopted as a currency just like the usual fiat money we know and it is principally because of its volatility.

Even when El Salvador announced that they’ve made bitcoin a legal tender, there was a lot of excitement that a while country’s president is announcing this but since it was coming from a smaller world country, we knew it’ll be difficult for them to achieve things they wish to easily. The volatility might be the case for users not to adopt it but for the governments having a strict policy on it, it may be because of the competition with the fiat currency.

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Can we then say that Bitcoin is good for holding and not for the usual payments like buying groceries or buying a cup of coffee all because we may feel we are letting go of an opportunity that in the next day the value of Bitcoin would go up?

That is just an alternative you can have by owning bitcoin. And the choice is yours on what you would want to use bitcoin for, whether for holding or for buying groceries. We never expected it to be this easy, so all this are no surprise after all.
Title: Re: Bukele: Bitcoin Hasn’t Had the Widespread Adoption We Hoped For
Post by: philipma1957 on October 19, 2024, 03:29:42 AM

A very recent article about El Salvador was that IMF was trying to tell them to stop using Bitcoin which itncouod only mean BTC still still adopted in the country.

If CBDC is introduced to El Salvador, people will not be using it. Just like in Nigeria, the IMF was trying to preach the government for moving forward and doing the most innovative when they introduced CBDC to the Nigerians. In the end Nigerians didn't use the eNaira.
Nigerians case with enaira was just like a civil disobedience. The government was arrogant about it. In the case of El Salvador, Bukele used an incentive approach, to the extent of gifting people $30 in BTC when they download a certain wallet. Giving someone an initial $30 BTC investment is a good push.

But in the case of Nigeria and her enaira, they threatened marketers and traders that if they don't use enaira, they'll stop the physical cash and they even did so. But Nigerians resisted and that was the end. Trying to sell a new idea to people, you use a mild approach and not being coercive.

Yeah sugar and honey will attract way more than piss and vinegar.

to me the error done here was not doing doge and btc

20$ in doge and 20$ in btc

would have been a better incentive.