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When I got active here and joined a signature campaign I made an effort to earn a lot of badges. One that I earned was 25 posts in a day too active badge.
While I was looking to earn that and the 50 post badge on another day I came across the burst post rules and I decided to not try to do the 50 post badge.
I was reading various posts today and came across the thread pointing out manna and his over postings. Its locked. But he did 61 on one day and 46 on another day. which in terms of earning the two badges 25 in a day and 50 a day he did that.
I kind of think maybe he had a shit ton of poor posts including some that were not true.
But one could argue he was a bit stupid and was only trying to earn the two badges.
which means the reporting thread should have waited for three high posts days not two.
Since he manna could have defending himself by claiming I just wanted to earn the badges.
Am I making any sense here? I voted maybe as I believe trying to win the badges is okay as long as the posts are good.
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When I got active here and joined a signature campaign I made an effort to earn a lot of badges. One that I earned was 25 posts in a day too active badge.
While I was looking to earn that and the 50 post badge on another day I came across the burst post rules and I decided to not try to do the 50 post badge.
I was reading various posts today and came across the thread pointing out manna and his over postings. Its locked. But he did 61 on one day and 46 on another day. which in terms of earning the two badges 25 in a day and 50 a day he did that.
I kind of think maybe he had a shit ton of poor posts including some that were not true.
But one could argue he was a bit stupid and was only trying to earn the two badges.
which means the reporting thread should have waited for three high posts days not two.
Since he manna could have defending himself by claiming I just wanted to earn the badges.
Am I making any sense here? I voted maybe as I believe trying to win the badges is okay as long as the posts are good.
Well the forum has badges for active posters doesn't actually call for shit posting and spamming. In fact logically I think the idea of both badges is not to encourage people to spam or make a ton of shit post rather it's more like a challenge to the forum users to try making 50 quality posts on that forum in a day which sincerely isn't easy at all.
Some users may see it as an avenue to shit post but the fact is it isn't. Let's not also ignore the fact that there are different kind of posters on the forum. Some post to meet up with either a personal target or probably that of a signature campaign, some post only when they find an interesting topic or have an interesting discussion to share.
For now I don't think badges are yet a big deal on the forum so it's a little like no one really cares.
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Am I making any sense here? I voted maybe as I believe trying to win the badges is okay as long as the posts are good.
If the user (or any other user) made those post in an attempt to earn that badge (for whatever reasons that they wanted the badge for in the first place) and then made sure that all the posts they made throughout the +50 posts were always on topic and not spam’s then it shouldn’t be an issue.
But in the case of Manna he’s a full member (currently) and we could argue that his goal of making that numerous posts in a single day was not to earn the badge instead it was for them to increase their ranking in a short duration of time - remember that the forum uses just activity points and lots of newbies/newcomers might just come to the forum and try to spam their way to a high rank in a short duration of time and that was what manna was trying to do.
P.s. I voted for “ no as long as the 25 or 50 posts are good.” I don’t see any issue with a good poster being too active.
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This has been discussed before, and generally it's considered "not good" to get these. There is an irony that 25 posts is "too active" and 50 posts is "super active", as the latter certainly sounds like an achievement compared to the former. Users should always be aware these badges, particularly the latter, serve as a "honey pot" for admin to monitor overly active members. He has used it before to identify spammers and I wouldn't be surprised if he still regularly monitors members getting this badge or receives a notification. He sneeky like that, so word to the wise, if you're aiming to get the badge it might not be worth the hassle, as one of the most recent receivers has discovered it seems.
It should also be noted that it is also possible to legitimately gain these badges without shitposting, so the achievement itself isn't really good or bad in itself imo. The badge otherwise remains useful for quickly identifying shitposters and spammers, so I voted that they are not a bad idea to have, even if I don't agree that this achievement is inherently good either.
Disclaimer: I have both badges ;D
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it is rare to find someone who makes more than 25 posts per day and they are of high quality, so this badge should be dedicated to someone who deserves it, so 25 per day is supposed to be the maximum.
The activity badge is supposed to measure the number of consecutive days you post and the number of posts, so someone who posts 2 posts per day is better than someone who posts 50 posts once a month.
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P.s. I voted for “ no as long as the 25 or 50 posts are good.” I don’t see any issue with a good poster being too active.
I was going to also ask what the badges were used for. I think I've been surfing through the forum for long now and stil can't find any place where the badges comes in play. So it obviously makes no sense why he would want to spam just for the badges. Most members due to the increase of campaign launch on the forum, might currently be creating alts since to it's easier compared to btt to rank an account up( you only need activity). That could be the only reason manna decided to spam. I guess there might be other plans for the karma in the future, once the forum gets even more traffics and visits.
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Let's say 50 posts as a benchmark... wouldn't it be better to just pin a simple "+50" badge? This certainly makes people more interested in seeing the contents of the posts made by the person concerned... and it can also mark the person concerned about the purpose of his/her over-activity, because we can't generalize that people who are overly active are always related to spam... it could be that those posts are really good quality and always stay on topic...
I choose "no as long as the 25 or 50 posts are good." I don't want to see friends here who are very active in writing quality posts lose their enthusiasm... however, it is inevitable, there will be some spammers who are after something... so the "+50" badge is enough, for quality checking, let other users judge... whether it is a spammer or a quality poster who really wants to learn or interact in this forum.
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Am I making any sense here? I voted maybe as I believe trying to win the badges is okay as long as the posts are good.
Yes if the posts are good, your account on this forum is good also. Even you can see people that will give you positive karma on your posts if it is helpful of useful.
But what I see is that the more someone is posting, the more the posts can have less quality. I think we should not think of making 50 posts but we should let it come naturally without thinking of it. Like me l do not care about the badges.
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This has been discussed before, and generally it's considered "not good" to get these. There is an irony that 25 posts is "too active" and 50 posts is "super active", as the latter certainly sounds like an achievement compared to the former. Users should always be aware these badges, particularly the latter, serve as a "honey pot" for admin to monitor overly active members. He has used it before to identify spammers and I wouldn't be surprised if he still regularly monitors members getting this badge or receives a notification. He sneeky like that, so word to the wise, if you're aiming to get the badge it might not be worth the hassle, as one of the most recent receivers has discovered it seems.
It should also be noted that it is also possible to legitimately gain these badges without shitposting, so the achievement itself isn't really good or bad in itself imo. The badge otherwise remains useful for quickly identifying shitposters and spammers, so I voted that they are not a bad idea to have, even if I don't agree that this achievement is inherently good either.
Disclaimer: I have both badges ;D
So as a spammer, if I want to make it a little more difficult for admin to find me I will make only 24 posts and will not get the 25 posts badge, and hurray, I might get some more time and can scam more people hahaha. Just kidding, although it's a good and easy way to catch spammers burst to post. But if the main concern here is to catch those bad actors, then I really don't think we should get these badges even if there is a legitimate possible way, which can be, in your opinion?
I make around 30 to 34 posts per week, and that's a lot for me if I don't have time, but when I have time, I think I can easily make 30 per day, but I am not going to make that many posts. One thing I have picked from the members' replies is that they think a person will be making that many posts will definitely make useless and spammy posts while I think that's not fully true. With more posts comes more knowledge that can be used within one another.
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This has been discussed before, and generally it's considered "not good" to get these. There is an irony that 25 posts is "too active" and 50 posts is "super active", as the latter certainly sounds like an achievement compared to the former. Users should always be aware these badges, particularly the latter, serve as a "honey pot" for admin to monitor overly active members. He has used it before to identify spammers and I wouldn't be surprised if he still regularly monitors members getting this badge or receives a notification. He sneeky like that, so word to the wise, if you're aiming to get the badge it might not be worth the hassle, as one of the most recent receivers has discovered it seems.
It should also be noted that it is also possible to legitimately gain these badges without shitposting, so the achievement itself isn't really good or bad in itself imo. The badge otherwise remains useful for quickly identifying shitposters and spammers, so I voted that they are not a bad idea to have, even if I don't agree that this achievement is inherently good either.
Disclaimer: I have both badges ;D
Thats funny you have both.
I am a heavy duty poster. Over 50,000 posts on bitcointalk.
Over 6,000 on mac rumors
Over 1,000 on evga
Over 4,000 on parts express
Over 2,000 on 123 mac mini = this is a dead forum
over 2,000 on anandtech = this forum is ending
countless on face book
I wanted to earn tons of badges here and make a lot of posts.
I earned the 25 as I made like 28 just because I know how to write a decent post.
I do not need to do 25 in a day for my signature.
I do not need to do 50 in a day for my signature.
While I like earning badges getting in trouble to earn them seems to be an issue.
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I am also tempted to have this badge but I know I never posted such amount of posts in 24 hours in 6-7 years of bitcointalk so it's kind of bad though if I try to post just for the sake of getting that badge.
But it's okay as long as those posts carry decent value because it helps the forum activity. For now, it's okay to have, but in the future, it should be removed because it will definitely lead people to post more low-value one-liner generic posts that are of no use to anyone.
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Let's not also ignore the fact that there are different kind of posters on the forum. Some post to meet up with either a personal target or probably that of a signature campaign, some post only when they find an interesting topic or have an interesting discussion to share.
For now I don't think badges are yet a big deal on the forum so it's a little like no one really cares.
Honestly, there are different types of posters in the forum as you said;
Some posts to meet up campaign quota;
Some post when they see interesting topics to discuss;
Some posts when they have topic to share.
Some are just using here like a normal forum.
I honestly do not know about the badges and how many I got. It is after reading this post that I went to my profile to check the badges I earned. Some, I don't even know how I earned them. I refuse to believe that someone can just make 50 posts in a day in order to get a badge.
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Am I making any sense here? I voted maybe as I believe trying to win the badges is okay as long as the posts are good.
for sure there are many people who would just post low quality ones just for the sake of having many posts i don’t know if we should be careless in awarding this types of badges it’s so easy to have 25 or 50 posts if you just post without any substance
it takes time and effort to actually find a good thread and contribute something of essence maybe there should be a minimum of how many characters should there be in a post for it to be considered or counted for the badge
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Am I making any sense here? I voted maybe as I believe trying to win the badges is okay as long as the posts are good.
for sure there are many people who would just post low quality ones just for the sake of having many posts i don’t know if we should be careless in awarding this types of badges it’s so easy to have 25 or 50 posts if you just post without any substance
it takes time and effort to actually find a good thread and contribute something of essence maybe there should be a minimum of how many characters should there be in a post for it to be considered or counted for the badge
I agree more that posts that are counted and deserve a badge are those that have substance, not based on the number of characters... there are still many posts that have a lot of characters, but there is no point or substance expressed... it is better to focus on good posts, which stay on topic and provide knowledge for their readers...
In forums, we cannot just rely on quantity, but must be guided by the quality and also the seriousness of the writers in discussing.
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I agree more that posts that are counted and deserve a badge are those that have substance, not based on the number of characters...
This is i guess, programmatically hard, but although still possible, you will just need some criteria of your own or from the community's opinions to consider whether a post has substance or not, comparing a post with quantity characters than a post with a substance that is composed by one sentence only (smaller character count). Since +karma-based posts can be abused, many users have been caught already tbh.
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Let's not also ignore the fact that there are different kind of posters on the forum. Some post to meet up with either a personal target or probably that of a signature campaign, some post only when they find an interesting topic or have an interesting discussion to share.
For now I don't think badges are yet a big deal on the forum so it's a little like no one really cares.
Honestly, there are different types of posters in the forum as you said;
Some posts to meet up campaign quota;
Some post when they see interesting topics to discuss;
Some posts when they have topic to share.
Some are just using here like a normal forum.
I honestly do not know about the badges and how many I got. It is after reading this post that I went to my profile to check the badges I earned. Some, I don't even know how I earned them. I refuse to believe that someone can just make 50 posts in a day in order to get a badge.
why do you refuse to believe it?
I would only do 50 to get the badge.
This week I have over 20 posts . So I qualified for my signature payout prior to today.
If I work hard today I would get 50 and there would be two reasons one to get the fifty badge and two would be to show you it is possible even if there is no money or reward for the fifty posts.
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I don't think badges for 25 or 50 posts in a day are a bad idea. If we stop to think about it, we only need common sense to know that these two badges are positive, since a spammer would have other very different types of badges and probably negative Karma. I don't think it's difficult to understand the difference between good and bad badges, we just have to think a little to recognize the differences.
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I don't think badges for 25 or 50 posts in a day are a bad idea. If we stop to think about it, we only need common sense to know that these two badges are positive, since a spammer would have other very different types of badges and probably negative Karma. I don't think it's difficult to understand the difference between good and bad badges, we just have to think a little to recognize the differences.
I would like to have all badges. I would like those badges.
BUt that is nearly impossible to obtain by me. I can barely make 30 posts per week, image 30 per day!!
This would mean incredible dedication to the forum.
On the other hand, a spammer can make that 25 posts in a day in just 25 minutes lol
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I don't think anyone actually looks at these badges so we are good :) because the last time I myself checked on my badges before today was several weeks ago.
I would like to have all badges. I would like those badges.
BUt that is nearly impossible to obtain by me. I can barely make 30 posts per week, image 30 per day!!
This would mean incredible dedication to the forum.
In 4-6 hours you could totally do 30 posts in a day. But I guess we are closing in on the upper limit of people's keystrokes and cognitive reading.
The most posts I have ever seen someone do in a day is around 125, and on the other forum not here (I cannot find the stats page for this forum).
On the other hand, a spammer can make that 25 posts in a day in just 25 minutes lol
Or even in just 1 minute: Just get some lorem ipsum text and create a script that sends all the posts at the same time.
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I would like to have all badges. I would like those badges.
BUt that is nearly impossible to obtain by me. I can barely make 30 posts per week, image 30 per day!!
This would mean incredible dedication to the forum.
On the other hand, a spammer can make that 25 posts in a day in just 25 minutes lol
When I just came here I was very interested in so many topics and was reading and answering mostly daylong for several days and I've got both these badges (25 a day and 50 a day) on the second day here. But even those days I didn't get a Spammer 100 Posts in one day badge.
(https://www.altcoinstalks.com/badges/big/spammer100.png)
As for now, I can write a lot some days so, if I hadn't 25 a day before, it is possible that I'd probably got the one later as well, but 50 posts a day... I don't think the situation when I answer so many topics will repeat.
So 50 posts a day (24 consecutive hours) is achieved hard and 100/250 posts a day is hardly achieved. If you are not a fan of low quality posting... ;D
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Tbh, I'm not fan of burst posting rules, as long as you have something genuinely to say, you say it, I don't care how many posts at the end of the day turn out and unknowingly you earn badges for it.
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Tbh, I'm not fan of burst posting rules, as long as you have something genuinely to say, you say it, I don't care how many posts at the end of the day turn out and unknowingly you earn badges for it.
We don't have burst posting rules in general: if all the posts are good, I don't see the reason of taking any actions as a moderator just because the user left too many posts in a short period of time. But it is a mark to check his posts for AI, plagiarism and other things like that more carefully. If everything is okay, I can even give +karma for good posts. But this happens rarely. More often when we see too many posts in a short period of time there are some other problems as well and the low quality is usually not the worst thing can be found. ???
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On the other hand, a spammer can make that 25 posts in a day in just 25 minutes lol
Correct. The difference is that the spammer will ruin his account with warnings, negative karma, and post deletions, while the person who can put in the most time, even just a few days, will get those badges as a reward. It is not difficult to write a "high" amount of quality posts in the native language, but we do not always have the necessary time. I don't have them all either, but it's something that doesn't worry me, maybe later I'll get some new ones, who knows.
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Correct. The difference is that the spammer will ruin his account with warnings, negative karma, and post deletions, while the person who can put in the most time, even just a few days, will get those badges as a reward. It is not difficult to write a "high" amount of quality posts in the native language, but we do not always have the necessary time. I don't have them all either, but it's something that doesn't worry me, maybe later I'll get some new ones, who knows.
You are right. A spammer will definitely draw negative attention and the fact is that it would only be a matter of time before people notice the errors in their posts as either low quality, AI generated or even plagiarism. Sometimes this post of a thing also depends on the user too. Some users prefer to write longer explanations about a particular discussion or topic. However on the other hand some users prefer to summarise their posts as much as possible while still maintaining their quality.
So in such case I believe that a user that makes short and summarised write ups more would easily get to the 50 or 100 badge but sincerely a hundred posts a day is soo much ill say.
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BUt that is nearly impossible to obtain by me. I can barely make 30 posts per week, image 30 per day!!
This would mean incredible dedication to the forum.
On the other hand, a spammer can make that 25 posts in a day in just 25 minutes lol
Usually, there are some members who are chasing rank increases, but really, making more than 30 posts per day, I have no idea, but it might make me nauseous, especially with various activities that are quite busy in real life, it seems that for me personally at this time, it will not be possible. :D
But what needs to be underlined is how the content of the posts is, and the distance between posts, sometimes less than 2 minutes in a row more than 5 posts? Well, I don't know how to think about that, between cool or what .......
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Since he manna could have defending himself by claiming I just wanted to earn the badges.
Am I making any sense here? I voted maybe as I believe trying to win the badges is okay as long as the posts are good.
I also voted as long as the posts are good, if we are trying to earn that badges, it should not be at the cost of spamming the forum with useless posts, We should understand that there are members who have enough time and just want to share their thoughts on many subjects, to the point that they are not thinking about how many posts they did.
50 can be good as long as the majority of the posts are good.
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When I just came here I was very interested in so many topics and was reading and answering mostly daylong for several days and I've got both these badges (25 a day and 50 a day) on the second day here. But even those days I didn't get a Spammer 100 Posts in one day badge.
(https://www.altcoinstalks.com/badges/big/spammer100.png)
As for now, I can write a lot some days so, if I hadn't 25 a day before, it is possible that I'd probably got the one later as well, but 50 posts a day... I don't think the situation when I answer so many topics will repeat.
So 50 posts a day (24 consecutive hours) is achieved hard and 100/250 posts a day is hardly achieved. If you are not a fan of low quality posting... ;D
You would need to have mad keyboarding skills, a stable internet connection, and in this case an interest in posting on several old, rehashed topics to even get close to 100. I'm guessing that is something achievable in one day, from my experience, but 250 posts sounds like something only the fastest AI posters could manage to do (i.e. spammers).
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but 250 posts sounds like something only the fastest AI posters could manage to do (i.e. spammers).
To hit this the person will have to be making post for about every 6 minutes interval and that’s just insane. They would just dedicate that whole day to their computer screen and keep scrolling from ont thread to another and from one board to another looking for where to drop their post and they’ll have to do it at insane speed if they want to minimize the amount of off topic posts they’d make since they’ll have to go through few posts in that thread before replying.
Unless they plan on making just a single word post or a one liner post I don’t think anyone here will be able to hit this.
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You would need to have mad keyboarding skills, a stable internet connection, and in this case an interest in posting on several old, rehashed topics to even get close to 100. I'm guessing that is something achievable in one day, from my experience, but 250 posts sounds like something only the fastest AI posters could manage to do (i.e. spammers).
100 posts in one day seems crazy to me, 250 seems to forget that we are alive and that we can do many more things in life than spend it glued to a screen writing. The quality of those 250 posts would be minimal or directly L.Q.P., and our brain, eyes and back would suffer from spending so many hours doing the same thing. With all the text it would take to make 250 posts of acceptable quality, people could learn to program with Python at a basic level in a few weeks.
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Am I making any sense here? I voted maybe as I believe trying to win the badges is okay as long as the posts are good.
Well, I guess it's highly possible to make 50 good quality posts a day but for that day someone has to close himself or herself in a room and avoid any distractions at all. Those who wanted to earn such badges may make around 4-5 posts per hour easily and those won't be shit posts or low quality posts if someone is enough knowledgeable about the topic subject. That can only happen when someone does his/her best to remain calm in a room and does nothing else that day other than forum posting.
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Am I making any sense here? I voted maybe as I believe trying to win the badges is okay as long as the posts are good.
If I would be active on this forum for more than 12 hours engaging in users posts, especially trying to settle out some misunderstanding on opinion with another user, in that 12 hours, I can only imagine how many posts I would have done. This does not mean I shit post, because we are engaging in a conversation that requires as many responses as possible to get things clear. If your posts are genuine, engaging and helpful, why would they call it shit post, it won’t be called so in my opinion. He Manna might have used that to escape not being called a shit poster but naturally if you did it not for shit posting or that reason, you’d be clean after been investigated through those posts.
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Well, I guess it's highly possible to make 50 good quality posts a day but for that day someone has to close himself or herself in a room and avoid any distractions at all. Those who wanted to earn such badges may make around 4-5 posts per hour easily and those won't be shit posts or low quality posts if someone is enough knowledgeable about the topic subject. That can only happen when someone does his/her best to remain calm in a room and does nothing else that day other than forum posting.
Making enough posts to attain all the badges isn't really the issue the issue is to attain the badges while simultaneously making quality posts and not shit posts or AI generated stuff. Some people here on the forum are very active and will be able to create posts just enough to get those badges. However the kind of poster matters too. If you notice, some persons are actually explainers in the sense that they make long threads and replies to make sure their full message is conveyed.
On the other hand some people make summarised post of just two or three sentences . I this kind of situation people like this will likely get the badges easier compared to the explainers.
Sometimes when I comw across a thread I don't post not because I don't have a thing to say but because someone has already given the exact idea I wanted to share. So to prevent spamming I could either merit the person of send some karma too instead of spamming. So for me meeting the badge requirement would be very difficult.