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Crypto Discussion Forum => Forum related => Topic started by: KingsDen on September 05, 2024, 10:33:08 PM
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I have seen a post on the announcement sub board by admin about AI and its punishment. It is a welcome development, if here turns to bots discussing topics, majority of us will walk away because I do not want to discuss with organized codes, rather with humans with deep sense of reasoning and humour.
Then, there is a challenge even in the other forum. Users who use AI to generate text often deny when caught and there's no 100% effective tools to detect AI. There are tools but I cannot vouch for them. They can be accurate with one post and total crap with another post. Based on this, to what percentage will a users post show that it is AI generated before they will receive the AI badge?
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I assume we'd go for something similar to the plagiarism rule of 80%+ (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=50701.0). But also don't really understand how accurate these AI detectors are, or how easy/difficult it'd be to reach say 50% without using AI at all. There's always been the guide to "rewrite [...] in your own words (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=45867.0)" or "rephrase the content" in order to avoid plagiarism, so I also assume this would apply to AI content as well.
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Anything above 50%. I think the question should be directed more to what AI detection tools should be used instead of the percentage of AI texts posted. The free software are usually limited but the paid versions should be more accurate.
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But also don't really understand how accurate these AI detectors are
Some are grossly inaccurate and misleading, while some give fair results. But Zed0x has said that paid versions do better job. But how many people will be willing to be subscribing for AI detector just to catch AI users?. Unless the forum will invest in this, which is actually not necessary.
Anything above 50%. I think the question should be directed more to what AI detection tools should be used instead of the percentage of AI texts posted. The free software are usually limited but the paid versions should be more accurate.
Yea, if a random test is performed and a certain tool proves to be the most reliable, the forum can adopt it as standard for AI detection.
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Anything above 50%. I think the question should be directed more to what AI detection tools should be used instead of the percentage of AI texts posted. The free software are usually limited but the paid versions should be more accurate.
You said exactly what i was thinking and was going to say, the question should really be which Ai detection tool that would be effective and well trusted enough to use, that will be efficient and reliable in being able to accurately detect Ai written posts.
A long time ago when the issue of Ai generated posts became a common problem on that other forum, which made a lot of high ranking users to begin paying attention, someone shared a tool which was really effective at that time, but unfortunately, I can't remember the link to the site anymore.
So, instead of us discussing at what percentage level a post should be considered Ai generated, and the poster tagged, I think for now, we should focus more on finding a great tool that works effectively and accurately in detecting Ai generated posts.
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Using 3 to 5 tools and a percentage of more than 80% may be enough to confirm that a post is written by AI, and the lack of connection of ideas and the change in language between each reply is evidence that the post was done by AI.
In general, it should be taken case by case after agreeing on a certain number of detection tools.
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Any use of AI for further discussion should not be acceptable. We are here to hear the opinions of others, and I assume that each of us knows how to use tools like ChatGPT and can talk to the bot himself if he wants to. Those who use AI do so only because their posts look "smarter" and possibly get a place in the signature campaign.
Some translation or grammar tools can make the post seem like AI wrote it, but I believe no tool will give it more than 20% of AI-generated text.
I agree with the previous conclusion if three different tools give the result but over 50% of the text is generated by AI, and the writer did not emphasize this, such posts should be removed.
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I agree with the previous conclusion if three different tools give the result but over 50% of the text is generated by AI, and the writer did not emphasize this, such posts should be removed.
Agreeing with Hugeblack's 3 tools but the difference is in the allowable percentage. While hugeblack and a vice president has said 80%, you said 50%.
Maybe we should start suggesting good or reliable AI detection tools here. To make the work easier.
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Agreeing with Hugeblack's 3 tools but the difference is in the allowable percentage. While hugeblack and a vice president has said 80%, you said 50%.
Maybe we should start suggesting good or reliable AI detection tools here. To make the work easier.
Even 50% is too much, but it gives room for a more free interpretation.
Would this discussion be interesting to you, if some AI program answers instead of me? even 10%...
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Using 3 to 5 tools and a percentage of more than 80% may be enough to confirm that a post is written by AI, and the lack of connection of ideas and the change in language between each reply is evidence that the post was done by AI.
Your suggestion sounds reasonable. But what to do if the AI/chatbot detection show some statement (e.g. "This text generated by AI" or "This text probably generated by AI") rather than percentage? Should we group those statement along with >80%?
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Some translation or grammar tools can make the post seem like AI wrote it, but I believe no tool will give it more than 20% of AI-generated text.
Most popular ones don't. I tested Grammarly, Google Translate, Yandex Translate, DeepL and some more. The result of their work doesn't give AI detection. The problems were with those who said they used AI bots not to write texts, but to translate or improve them... well, I can say only: don't use AI bots for any purposes on forum posts.
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I don't just see need why some members will even want to use bot in the first place, if anyone wants to discuss with a bot or get a result from a bot, I believe the person knows how to go and seek the answer they want from a bot, but rather they come here for a human to human discussion and instead of giving out our immense ideas and contribution, some people will choose to use a bot. It's better any one caught in such must be punished.
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Then, there is a challenge even in the other forum. Users who use AI to generate text often deny when caught and there's no 100% effective tools to detect AI. There are tools but I cannot vouch for them. They can be accurate with one post and total crap with another post. Based on this, to what percentage will a users post show that it is AI generated before they will receive the AI badge?
in today’s time thankfully even without tools you can still manage to detect ai generated texts just on your own
1. if a user forgot to remove ai addressing the prompt submitted by used for example “absolutely!” or “not enough evidence for your question” you can have suspicions that it is indeed ai
2. even the most intelligent and most fluent person in english is still subjected to some mistakes which ai unusually has none so if everything is way too good and the text is unnecessary long then that’s probably ai
like you said there’s no accurate tool yet but i think media literacy is enough to see some signs that it is indeed ai generated texts
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While hugeblack and a vice president has said 80%, you said 50%.
Just to clarify I'm not a vice president, hair is currently VP. I'm the 2nd President in the context of Freemind being the 5th. Carry on...
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Agreeing with Hugeblack's 3 tools but the difference is in the allowable percentage. While hugeblack and a vice president has said 80%, you said 50%.
Maybe we should start suggesting good or reliable AI detection tools here. To make the work easier.
Even 50% is too much, but it gives room for a more free interpretation.
Would this discussion be interesting to you, if some AI program answers instead of me? even 10%...
Let me quote what admin wrote in one of the sticky.
- You can use AI, as long as it's not above 30%.
So I guess anything less than 30% won't be an issue but it's hardly possible to get accuracy of AI usage and also anyone uses AI will obviously get caught because we will see 100% AI contents for most of the contents created using AI tools unless they found a new way to make it undetectable.
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While hugeblack and a vice president has said 80%, you said 50%.
Just to clarify I'm not a vice president, hair is currently VP. I'm the 2nd President in the context of Freemind being the 5th. Carry on...
Thanks for the clarity. Without explanation, i had thought that a second president in a general context should be the vice president.
Let me quote what admin wrote in one of the sticky.
- You can use AI, as long as it's not above 30%.
Well, the admin is lenient already on this. The leniency will undoubtedly open rooms for exploitation and in the end the issues will be treated on case by case basis.
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Many AI detection tools report false positives on posts that's passed through them, so such tools cannot be trusted. I understand that some detection tools are more efficient and reliable than others in detecting posts created by a chatbot, instead of a human.
So maybe a combination of the most reliable tools is the best option to find out if a post was written by the human behind an account.
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So maybe a combination of the most reliable tools is the best option to find out if a post was written by the human behind an account.
Maybe. But I'm not going to discuss in the public on which tools do we use so that the rules breakers can't try to avoid detection by checking if the needed tools give than false negatives. As for me, I try to give a benefit of a doubt each time there can be a doubt. Main goal is not to punish someone but to make the communication on the forum friendly and comfortable for mostly all, except bad actors.
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Some translation or grammar tools can make the post seem like AI wrote it, but I believe no tool will give it more than 20% of AI-generated text.
Most popular ones don't. I tested Grammarly, Google Translate, Yandex Translate, DeepL and some more. The result of their work doesn't give AI detection. The problems were with those who said they used AI bots not to write texts, but to translate or improve them... well, I can say only: don't use AI bots for any purposes on forum posts.
Have you tested Grammarly of recent again. Results from there at a time was showing AI detected, this may have happened after they’ve updated certain things in their back end and integrated AI into their database. I feel they’ve started generating AI integrated post after spinning the words. That’s what is trending, so most apps are integrating it now.
If there was a need for an AI in the forum, we could just be asking questions and AI bots, not humans will be given the reply.
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Have you tested Grammarly of recent again. Results from there at a time was showing AI detected, this may have happened after they’ve updated certain things in their back end and integrated AI into their database. I feel they’ve started generating AI integrated post after spinning the words. That’s what is trending, so most apps are integrating it now.
Please give an example of a text which is just went through Grammarly, wasn't written by AI and is detected as AI written. I'll look through it. ???
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For me, anyone who has used AI and is detected 100% in just one post, deserves to get the "AI" badge. Just one 100% accurate AI post can be a reference for everyone, that maybe some other posts also contain AI, right?
Then, for this AI badge, it can be removed if within a period of 2 weeks or maybe 1 month or 2 months of activity he does not use AI again to post here... it will be very tiring to check it, but it is fairer, because the period of forgiving mistakes cannot be done quickly... just think of the badge as a punishment and campaign managers can consider it as something as a participant screening criterion.
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Some translation or grammar tools can make the post seem like AI wrote it, but I believe no tool will give it more than 20% of AI-generated text.
Most popular ones don't. I tested Grammarly, Google Translate, Yandex Translate, DeepL and some more. The result of their work doesn't give AI detection. The problems were with those who said they used AI bots not to write texts, but to translate or improve them... well, I can say only: don't use AI bots for any purposes on forum posts.
Have you tested Grammarly of recent again. Results from there at a time was showing AI detected, this may have happened after they’ve updated certain things in their back end and integrated AI into their database. I feel they’ve started generating AI integrated post after spinning the words. That’s what is trending, so most apps are integrating it now.
If there was a need for an AI in the forum, we could just be asking questions and AI bots, not humans will be given the reply.
I have Grammerly on my laptop computer, and I set it up in a way it automatically corrects words and sentences as I type, though for several months now, Ive not actually accessed the forum using the laptop due to the convenience using my mobile device offers me.
But I am kind of surprised at this your claim, you tell to tell me that if now, I decide to post on this using my laptop, several of my post, or maybe all of the ones I posted using the laptop will be flagged as Ai generated posts simply because Grammerly auto corrected a few of the sentences that were used wrongly and few words I spelled wrongly?
This is hard to believe, and I possibly will have to verify this myself.
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Then, for this AI badge, it can be removed if within a period of 2 weeks or maybe 1 month or 2 months of activity he does not use AI again to post here... it will be very tiring to check it, but it is fairer, because the period of forgiving mistakes cannot be done quickly... just think of the badge as a punishment and campaign managers can consider it as something as a participant screening criterion.
Regarding implementation of the badge, then I imagine this would be the case. If a user wanted to appeal the badger after a week or two of not using AI then it would be fair to have the badge removed. Assuming the only reason for using AI would be to increase rank and join signature campaigns, the badge in itself should be punishment enough to avoid being accepted into such campaigns. I can't think of another good reason why ranking up with AI would be beneficial otherwise.
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Then, for this AI badge, it can be removed if within a period of 2 weeks or maybe 1 month or 2 months of activity he does not use AI again to post here... it will be very tiring to check it, but it is fairer, because the period of forgiving mistakes cannot be done quickly... just think of the badge as a punishment and campaign managers can consider it as something as a participant screening criterion.
Regarding implementation of the badge, then I imagine this would be the case. If a user wanted to appeal the badger after a week or two of not using AI then it would be fair to have the badge removed. Assuming the only reason for using AI would be to increase rank and join signature campaigns, the badge in itself should be punishment enough to avoid being accepted into such campaigns. I can't think of another good reason why ranking up with AI would be beneficial otherwise.
1. After a certain period of time, the victim applies for AI badge lifting and if after going through the users profile and it is gathered that the user changed, the tag would be removed. That's nice... But what happens if the user continued using AI after getting a second chance.
2. Increasing rank and joining signature campaigns could be the major reason of using AI to write. But we should not disregard other reasons as ;
- To earn positive Karma faster
- To appear more intelligent or knowledgeable than they are.
Sounds funny, but people do som
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Then, for this AI badge, it can be removed if within a period of 2 weeks or maybe 1 month or 2 months of activity he does not use AI again to post here... it will be very tiring to check it, but it is fairer, because the period of forgiving mistakes cannot be done quickly... just think of the badge as a punishment and campaign managers can consider it as something as a participant screening criterion.
Regarding implementation of the badge, then I imagine this would be the case. If a user wanted to appeal the badger after a week or two of not using AI then it would be fair to have the badge removed. Assuming the only reason for using AI would be to increase rank and join signature campaigns, the badge in itself should be punishment enough to avoid being accepted into such campaigns. I can't think of another good reason why ranking up with AI would be beneficial otherwise.
1. After a certain period of time, the victim applies for AI badge lifting and if after going through the users profile and it is gathered that the user changed, the tag would be removed. That's nice... But what happens if the user continued using AI after getting a second chance.
They would end up having the AI badge returned, likely receive a strike, and otherwise being moderated in the misbehaving group would make sense to moderate future posts. Reality is most users who request a second chance avoid making the same mistakes again, especially after knowing how easy it is to get caught, so this isn't a major concern.
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They would end up having the AI badge returned, likely receive a strike, and otherwise being moderated in the misbehaving group would make sense to moderate future posts. Reality is most users who request a second chance avoid making the same mistakes again, especially after knowing how easy it is to get caught, so this isn't a major concern.
Yeah...or maybe the punishment for those who repeat the same mistake intentionally, can be increased, where the user is given a badge longer than the badge given when the previous violation. I think this is quite fair, because the majority of them are indicated to meet the posting quota too, so they use the easiest way to immediately complete their tasks, but with AI and making robot posts is not something special ... so the AI badge warning can also be considered by the relevant campaign manager to process it according to its provisions.
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Regarding implementation of the badge, then I imagine this would be the case. If a user wanted to appeal the badger after a week or two of not using AI then it would be fair to have the badge removed. Assuming the only reason for using AI would be to increase rank and join signature campaigns, the badge in itself should be punishment enough to avoid being accepted into such campaigns. I can't think of another good reason why ranking up with AI would be beneficial otherwise.
And there are much better ways to rank up quickly than using AI. If somebody tried to put a few posts inside ChatGPT in order to attempt to continue the conversation with some natural-sounding post, they'd quickly pull out all their hairs because it turns out it is not as simple as it's commonly thought to make such a post, as they will all sound out-of-touch with the rest of the topic. It requires some tweaking of the prompt to make it at least fit in.
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They would end up having the AI badge returned, likely receive a strike, and otherwise being moderated in the misbehaving group would make sense to moderate future posts. Reality is most users who request a second chance avoid making the same mistakes again, especially after knowing how easy it is to get caught, so this isn't a major concern.
Yeah...or maybe the punishment for those who repeat the same mistake intentionally, can be increased, where the user is given a badge longer than the badge given when the previous violation.
A strike would be an increased punishment, as the only realistic way to have strikes removed is to pay $5 (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=182908.0). It's very unlikely you will be accepted into good quality (paying) signature campaigns with a strike.
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They would end up having the AI badge returned, likely receive a strike, and otherwise being moderated in the misbehaving group would make sense to moderate future posts. Reality is most users who request a second chance avoid making the same mistakes again, especially after knowing how easy it is to get caught, so this isn't a major concern.
Yeah...or maybe the punishment for those who repeat the same mistake intentionally, can be increased, where the user is given a badge longer than the badge given when the previous violation.
A strike would be an increased punishment, as the only realistic way to have strikes removed is to pay $5 (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=182908.0). It's very unlikely you will be accepted into good quality (paying) signature campaigns with a strike.
I wonder how the strike looks like because I haven't seen one before and where is it placed? Maybe in the same position as the badges, and what will differentiate a strike from a badge.
There are way too many badges already in some people's profile which could actually make it indistinguishable from a strike.
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I wonder how the strike looks like because I haven't seen one before and where is it placed? Maybe in the same position as the badges, and what will differentiate a strike from a badge.
There are way too many badges already in some people's profile which could actually make it indistinguishable from a strike.
They should put the strike on top of the forum profile picture, along with the rest of the rank data, unless they plan to make the strike badge a very bright color that will make it stand out among all the other badges, because I also share your worry that maybe people will somehow fail to see that this user is on a strike.
But there is a text that says that, right? So that should cover it.
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But there is a text that says that, right? So that should cover it.
Yes, there's both a text and a badge, so it is easy to see. I'm sure all active campaign managers are aware about all common negative badges on the forum.
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I wonder how the strike looks like because I haven't seen one before and where is it placed? Maybe in the same position as the badges, and what will differentiate a strike from a badge.
There are way too many badges already in some people's profile which could actually make it indistinguishable from a strike.
See an example user: https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=133270.msg909863#msg909863. It's in the same position as the badges, as it is a badge.
Generally users with lots of badges don't end up with a strike, unless they are misbehaving badges ;)
They should put the strike on top of the forum profile picture, along with the rest of the rank data, unless they plan to make the strike badge a very bright color that will make it stand out among all the other badges, because I also share your worry that maybe people will somehow fail to see that this user is on a strike.
But there is a text that says that, right? So that should cover it.
By default it changes the users rank to 1st strike, unless they have been added to another naughty group like AI bot first, thus they would be labelled an AI bot anyway.
As Jokers said, campaign managers should otherwise beware of the misbehaving tags by now: https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=180760.0
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See an example user: https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=133270.msg909863#msg909863. It's in the same position as the badges, as it is a badge.
Seen, in the same position as 2nd president :D
As Jokers said, campaign managers should otherwise beware of the misbehaving tags by now: https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=180760.0
Too many things to beware of. The best thing is just to use the forum in an honest and healthy way. Contribute to the growth of the forum and you are good.
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See an example user: https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=133270.msg909863#msg909863. It's in the same position as the badges, as it is a badge.
Seen, in the same position as 2nd president :D
Indeed it's above rank even, doesn't replace it my bad. 2nd President is just my custom title though, it's just made up :P
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Let me quote what admin wrote in one of the sticky.
- You can use AI, as long as it's not above 30%.
So I guess anything less than 30% won't be an issue but it's hardly possible to get accuracy of AI usage and also anyone uses AI will obviously get caught because we will see 100% AI contents for most of the contents created using AI tools unless they found a new way to make it undetectable.
I don't know if that rule is valid after the following was posted :
I love AI, it write great text create amazing images, but AI has no place in a discussion.
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=324053.0
My opinion is also that there should not be AI-generated posts in discussions on the forum, because no matter how one looks at it, it is still a form of plagiarism - a text that someone posts, which is created with the help of AI, cannot be considered a "creation" of the same user.
@dragononcrypto, in case we suspect that AI is used in some posts, what is the best topic to report such a thing? I think that such a report should be accompanied by evidence, and that is not something that can be done through "report to moderator".
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@dragononcrypto, in case we suspect that AI is used in some posts, what is the best topic to report such a thing?
You can post it in the report plagiarism topic for now (for reasons you mentioned): https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=62494.0
No report topic exists yet, but should probably create one even if low demand. I'm sure it'd make Jokers happy lol.
I think that such a report should be accompanied by evidence, and that is not something that can be done through "report to moderator".
Not just that, but it's also something that needs to be dealt with by global mod in order to label as such and give warning etc.
Report to mod should only be for the following reasons: https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=31311.0
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@dragononcrypto, thanks for the clarifications :)
The only thing I'm not sure about is whether we should take into account in such situations that we don't consider some post AI if the detected percentage is less than 30% (but very close to it)? Maybe some members adjusted their posts to exactly that rule, but the last thing that @admin wrote on that topic should cancel that rule?
I will put a link to this post in the chat, so I hope we will get a clear position on this.
+1
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The only thing I'm not sure about is whether we should take into account in such situations that we don't consider some post AI if the detected percentage is less than 30% (but very close to it)? Maybe some members adjusted their posts to exactly that rule, but the last thing that @admin wrote on that topic should cancel that rule?
Have created report topic (as examplens has already reported AI posting I realise): https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=180544.0.
If admin says less than 30% is ok then it's probably not worth reporting, but will let him answer that one. As far as I understand most of the AI detected has been well over 50% so far anyway (Jokers has caught dozens of users so far, hence the new badge), but will let them clarify that.
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I went with 100% AI generated option as I believe AI tools can help with grammatical errors, make your own content then proof-read with AI, if you like, it's alright in my opinion.
...and anyhow, these AI tools sometimes show even purely human generated as an AI generated, if one were to go with second option — "If AI is detected, irrespective of what percentage." then genuine users will get caught in crossfire.
Edit: Changed 'often' to 'sometimes'
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...and anyhow, these AI tools often show even purely human generated as an AI generated
Not often, but sometimes they do. We know and take that into account.
As far as I understand most of the AI detected has been well over 50% so far anyway (Jokers has caught dozens of users so far, hence the new badge), but will let them clarify that.
Of course more, but I don't want to give any concrete numbers so as not to provoke violators to manipulate the results to reach those numbers.
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As far as I understand most of the AI detected has been well over 50% so far anyway (Jokers has caught dozens of users so far, hence the new badge), but will let them clarify that.
Of course more, but I don't want to give any concrete numbers so as not to provoke violators to manipulate the results to reach those numbers.
It can be like this, if the user writes one AI post out of 100, it can be acceptable. But if a user writes 99 out of 100 posts with the help of AI, then he deserves to be penalized and to delete all those posts.
It is completely irrelevant whether it is 30% or 50%.
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It can be like this, if the user writes one AI post out of 100, it can be acceptable. But if a user writes 99 out of 100 posts with the help of AI, then he deserves to be penalized and to delete all those posts.
It is completely irrelevant whether it is 30% or 50%.
These numbers are not the per cent of posts with AI usage found, it is about the numbers which are given by an AI detector. No single post should be AI generated if it is not clearly stated and attributed.
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Have created report topic (as examplens has already reported AI posting I realise): https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=180544.0.
If admin says less than 30% is ok then it's probably not worth reporting, but will let him answer that one. As far as I understand most of the AI detected has been well over 50% so far anyway (Jokers has caught dozens of users so far, hence the new badge), but will let them clarify that.
When using a tool that is under development or not very reliable, we need to give some kind of tolerance. In this case, it could be +/-20%. If this is so, an AI detection tool shows that a post is 50% plagiarised, when -20% is applied, it will become 30% plagerism and the victim will be safe.
So, it means any smart plagiarist might never be caught.
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Not just that, but it's also something that needs to be dealt with by global mod in order to label as such and give warning etc.
Report to mod should only be for the following reasons: https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=31311.0
You're right even the admin explicitly stated not to report off topic and spam post, he told us to deal it with Karma and if they have been overdoing it then reporting it on the thread will be the right thing so they will get their tag/badge under their profile and will leave them market forever.
But this is the first time I have noticed the thread you mentioned, A lot of childboards sometimes make me feel lost,admin should merge some of them for sure.
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But this is the first time I have noticed the thread you mentioned, A lot of childboards sometimes make me feel lost,admin should merge some of them for sure.
The topic is linked in the Karma thank/punish topic: https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=657.0
The section is covered in the Help topic: https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=180511.0
If you have read recommended documentation and wanted to know about this, then I believe you would have found the information :)
Edit: Relevant posts from this thread have been moved to report AI topic: https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=180544.0
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I assume we'd go for something similar to the plagiarism rule of 80%+ (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=50701.0). But also don't really understand how accurate these AI detectors are, or how easy/difficult it'd be to reach say 50% without using AI at all. There's always been the guide to "rewrite [...] in your own words (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=45867.0)" or "rephrase the content" in order to avoid plagiarism, so I also assume this would apply to AI content as well.
This has been discussed many times in other forum though it's not everyone buy the idea and that is whey plagiarism and AI posters are still treated separately if not as for me they are one. The punishment that is given to plagiarism posters should also be given to AI posters. Once the person is caught using AI, the plagiarism badge should be issued to him or her. Though AI detectors can't tell the 100% detection because someone that is good with English grammar, can write well and the AI would detect the person has AI user. And I have seen such situation in the other forum. So the best way is AI and plagiarism are one
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Though AI detectors can't tell the 100% detection because someone that is good with English grammar, can write well and the AI would detect the person has AI user. And I have seen such situation in the other forum. So the best way is AI and plagiarism are one
I can sense some kind of contradiction here. You acknowledged that there's no ideal tool for AI detection. Then, you also acknowledge that AI mistreat some exceptional English grammar as AI generated texts. Then you went ahead to say that AI generated text should be treated as plagiarism. Well, that is when it is truly established that it is an AI text.
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The punishment that is given to plagiarism posters should also be given to AI posters.
If those who use AI in their posts have an additional badge, it doesn't mean they don't get the plagiarist badge if they don't understand the warnings.
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Though AI detectors can't tell the 100% detection because someone that is good with English grammar, can write well and the AI would detect the person has AI user. And I have seen such situation in the other forum. So the best way is AI and plagiarism are one
I can sense some kind of contradiction here. You acknowledged that there's no ideal tool for AI detection. Then, you also acknowledge that AI mistreat some exceptional English grammar as AI generated texts. Then you went ahead to say that AI generated text should be treated as plagiarism. Well, that is when it is truly established that it is an AI text.
Yes I have seen AI detectors in the other forum accused someone I know of using AI in which the person is not using AI and for that the AI detectors can't give the 100% accuracy and lastly I didn't see any different between AI and plagiarism. So is there any contradiction here. There was no contradiction but misunderstanding which I also discovered. If someone copied what has been written by another person and bring to the forum and used it as his own there automatically it is a plagiarism be a AI. Unless the person. Edit it to his own way of understanding.
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Yes I have seen AI detectors in the other forum accused someone I know of using AI in which the person is not using AI and for that the AI detectors can't give the 100% accuracy and lastly I didn't see any different between AI and plagiarism. So is there any contradiction here. There was no contradiction but misunderstanding which I also discovered. If someone copied what has been written by another person and bring to the forum and used it as his own there automatically it is a plagiarism be a AI. Unless the person. Edit it to his own way of understanding.
Usually writing that uses AI can be felt using our own feelings when reading it... the general characteristic of writing made by humans is that the sentence structure is sometimes messy... while AI users will get almost perfect writing...
I agree more with the idea that the human brain produces is an original work... whether it will be fixed using grammarly or the word structure will be corrected to make it easier to understand using other tools, what is certain is that it is the brainchild of humans and remains on topic, I don't think it will be considered an AI post, even though AI detects it as non-human-made content...
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Yes I have seen AI detectors in the other forum accused someone I know of using AI in which the person is not using AI and for that the AI detectors can't give the 100% accuracy and lastly I didn't see any different between AI and plagiarism. So is there any contradiction here. There was no contradiction but misunderstanding which I also discovered. If someone copied what has been written by another person and bring to the forum and used it as his own there automatically it is a plagiarism be a AI. Unless the person. Edit it to his own way of understanding.
Usually writing that uses AI can be felt using our own feelings when reading it... the general characteristic of writing made by humans is that the sentence structure is sometimes messy... while AI users will get almost perfect writing...
I agree more with the idea that the human brain produces is an original work... whether it will be fixed using grammarly or the word structure will be corrected to make it easier to understand using other tools, what is certain is that it is the brainchild of humans and remains on topic, I don't think it will be considered an AI post, even though AI detects it as non-human-made content...
Grammarly seem an AI as well but meant to correct grammar and sometimes it will completely rearrange the sentence structure which I think the AI detectors will also consider it written by AIs.
This could be the reason why admin is considering the posts as long as it's just less than 30%. I guess editing what AIs have provided for those AI users are fine, whether they spin them or completely rewritting them will be best.