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Title: workers are slaves and salary is just a bond tied to worker to keep them working
Post by: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 08, 2024, 03:28:50 PM
If you read the title, it was a statement made by someone yesterday as he was trying to discourage someone else from getting a white collar job.(The kind of work he was referring to is a white collar job or any job that requires you to work as an employee in another man's company or business.).

In their conversation, as I paid close attention, he said that workers are slaves and that some workers are smiling in pain while working for peanuts. He went on to say that people are not supposed to work for anyone but should rather be their own boss.

Now, I wish to get your opinion, friends. What do you think of such a statement?

Personal for me, I do believe that getting a job is not just about the salary you get paid, but there are some jobs that can help to groom you into getting more experience that can also help you to explore when you want to start your own business or company to become your own boss.

Some people even get to learn about the boss role experience after working as an employee in some office for some number of months or years.

In conclusion, workers are not actually slaves, some people have reasons why they decided to work. For example, in my country, there is one man who is the CEO of a bank. According to him, he worked with the Central Bank of my country as a tech guy, but after eight years of working with them, he gathered lots of experience and also raised enough money that he was able to start his own company. He started an MMO (mobile money provider service), but today he is now a microfinance bank, and he has made excellent more than many commercial banks in my country.

First started here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5508040.msg64488619#msg64488619)
Title: Re: workers are slaves and salary is just a bond tied to worker to keep them working
Post by: Hatchy on September 08, 2024, 06:32:26 PM
In their conversation, as I paid close attention, he said that workers are slaves and that some workers are smiling in pain while working for peanuts. He went on to say that people are not supposed to work for anyone but should rather be their own boss.

Now, I wish to get your opinion, friends. What do you think of such a statement?

It's a wrong perspective to me. One has to serve for him to become his own boss. Not until you have finally had a financial liberation, you have to face reality and I don't see anything wrong in that. I don't know where he is getting his idea though but maybe it's just how he see it. Except one wa born into a wealthy already made family, he might have to work his own way up there. And to do that he definitely has to serve others whom has already been their. That way he builds a foundation for him self. Yes we know the hard to work for some employers as it's difficult and they are very controlling. But then you might have to play by their rules for the main time until you have found you path.
Title: Re: workers are slaves and salary is just a bond tied to worker to keep them working
Post by: bisdak40 on September 09, 2024, 04:08:19 PM
In my opinion, the statement like he said that workers are slaves is not good way to describe workers. Workers play a crucial role in the society and economy and jobs can help a worker pick up skills and make connections that can help them with future opportunities, like starting their own business. one must experience how something is done like jobs to understand the process and which may be an opportunity to start ones business.
Title: Re: workers are slaves and salary is just a bond tied to worker to keep them working
Post by: Zed0X on September 09, 2024, 04:40:24 PM
~ He went on to say that people are not supposed to work for anyone but should rather be their own boss.
Right! Like every business owner (restaurant for example) should also be the cook, the server, the dishwasher, and everything in between. Personally, I don't care how he calls the workers and I get what he's trying to say but business just wouldn't grow without enough manpower.
Title: Re: workers are slaves and salary is just a bond tied to worker to keep them working
Post by: target on September 09, 2024, 04:44:30 PM
The world works in a way where there is an emploer and employee though. There are always people who are richer than anyone and our survival depends on the money we earn from our employer.

In the real world where we are all in a rat race but its pathetic to see it in a way like a master and slave situation.
Title: Re: workers are slaves and salary is just a bond tied to worker to keep them working
Post by: 0t3p0t on September 09, 2024, 06:55:31 PM
~ He went on to say that people are not supposed to work for anyone but should rather be their own boss.
Right! Like every business owner (restaurant for example) should also be the cook, the server, the dishwasher, and everything in between. Personally, I don't care how he calls the workers and I get what he's trying to say but business just wouldn't grow without enough manpower.
Yeah I agree. There are actually levels of development in everything related to work because not all the time you will remain a worker or they remain the boss life is a cycle and everything revolves depending on our performances. And if we are all the boss then whom do we entrust our businesses like the specific qualifications that is why it can't be. Reality is that all of us who are chasing money are slaves of money so yeah fair enough regardless of our respective job positions or level.
Title: Re: workers are slaves and salary is just a bond tied to worker to keep them working
Post by: Agbe on September 09, 2024, 08:22:48 PM
If you read the title, it was a statement made by someone yesterday as he was trying to discourage someone else from getting a white collar job.(The kind of work he was referring to is a white collar job or any job that requires you to work as an employee in another man's company or business.).

In their conversation, as I paid close attention, he said that workers are slaves and that some workers are smiling in pain while working for peanuts. He went on to say that people are not supposed to work for anyone but should rather be their own boss.

Now, I wish to get your opinion, friends. What do you think of such a statement?

Personal for me, I do believe that getting a job is not just about the salary you get paid, but there are some jobs that can help to groom you into getting more experience that can also help you to explore when you want to start your own business or company to become your own boss.

Some people even get to learn about the boss role experience after working as an employee in some office for some number of months or years.

In conclusion, workers are not actually slaves, some people have reasons why they decided to work. For example, in my country, there is one man who is the CEO of a bank. According to him, he worked with the Central Bank of my country as a tech guy, but after eight years of working with them, he gathered lots of experience and also raised enough money that he was able to start his own company. He started an MMO (mobile money provider service), but today he is now a microfinance bank, and he has made excellent more than many commercial banks in my country.

First started here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5508040.msg64488619#msg64488619)

There's something people call the matrix and this is simply a system that dictates and governs how people live. Everything we do is programmed by this government, you have to go to college, graduate and then work a 9 to 5 job under them and this wouldn't make you rich even in the next ten years but these people you are working for are swimming in wealth and abundance. The only thing that can break you out of the matrix is taking risks, networking and having your own business or streams of businesses
Title: Re: workers are slaves and salary is just a bond tied to worker to keep them working
Post by: Findingnemo on September 09, 2024, 08:33:16 PM
Do we really need to have to copy the entire details and post it on here too, I am sure this is not comes under plagiarism but I am not sure whether admin will allows it to go further...

To answer the thread the exact same thing yeah it's type of modern slavery which has the similar motive but in modernized way and the best part is we don't even realise we work for someone else's betterment for our entire lifetime.
Title: Re: workers are slaves and salary is just a bond tied to worker to keep them working
Post by: target on September 11, 2024, 07:24:20 AM
Do we really need to have to copy the entire details and post it on here too, I am sure this is not comes under plagiarism but I am not sure whether admin will allows it to go further...

To answer the thread the exact same thing yeah it's type of modern slavery which has the similar motive but in modernized way and the best part is we don't even realise we work for someone else's betterment for our entire lifetime.

They say its how the world works. Everyone has to contribute to the economy that your life counts when you make money and you are givren importance where you have social security. 

In some parts of the world, slavery is still in practice actually. In my country down south where Moros are in positioned in governments they have kids were reported to be kidnapped and work their entire life serving a family.


Title: Re: workers are slaves and salary is just a bond tied to worker to keep them working
Post by: PrivateKayla on September 11, 2024, 09:45:40 AM
It's frightening to think how this person would treat his workers if he believed that "workers are slaves." Not everyone has the capital, skills, and drive to own a business. Some work for an employer to save enough until they can be an entrepreneur. Some do not want the headaches and "labor pains" of startups and would rather work, go home, and live their lives to the fullest. Different folks, different strokes. I choose to be respectful of other people regardless of how they earn a living and will never call workers slaves.
Title: Re: workers are slaves and salary is just a bond tied to worker to keep them working
Post by: bitterguy28 on September 11, 2024, 10:11:31 AM
Now, I wish to get your opinion, friends. What do you think of such a statement?
I agree. being corporate slaves is a result of capitalism and we have fallen slaves to capitalism. We are slaves of money, basically. If we had the choice to not work under companies and still get money somehow, do you really think anyone would still work? Possibly no.
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In conclusion, workers are not actually slaves, some people have reasons why they decided to work. For example, in my country, there is one man who is the CEO of a bank. According to him, he worked with the Central Bank of my country as a tech guy, but after eight years of working with them, he gathered lots of experience and also raised enough money that he was able to start his own company. He started an MMO (mobile money provider service), but today he is now a microfinance bank, and he has made excellent more than many commercial banks in my country.
in this example you just gave, he was a slave to another company because he was working for them even though he really wanted to start his own business. Since he can’t due to financial reasons, he still went on to work to another company. Most employees work under a company just for the money and the work environment is most likely good enough for them to stay. what else is your reason for working?
Title: Re: workers are slaves and salary is just a bond tied to worker to keep them working
Post by: _act_ on September 11, 2024, 05:50:39 PM
If you're working under a person or company, it means you're indirectly under their control and a slave to them, because they dictate on what to do for you, some will make it clear that they cant take a salary work because they don't like loosing their reputation while receiving insult on their integrity, while some may not even bother to look on the consequences on all these when they are eager to work, because they believe they have to start from somewhere regardless of the challenges.
Title: Re: workers are slaves and salary is just a bond tied to worker to keep them working
Post by: Findingnemo on September 12, 2024, 03:03:21 PM
Do we really need to have to copy the entire details and post it on here too, I am sure this is not comes under plagiarism but I am not sure whether admin will allows it to go further...

To answer the thread the exact same thing yeah it's type of modern slavery which has the similar motive but in modernized way and the best part is we don't even realise we work for someone else's betterment for our entire lifetime.

They say its how the world works. Everyone has to contribute to the economy that your life counts when you make money and you are givren importance where you have social security. 


They say and we need to ask who is they. then it will go on and on that leads to finding government rules and laws but it's nothing but created by fellow humans too not happened by nature that sums it up that in one or other we general fellas are tied up to certain bounds that we have to follow even if we doesn't want too and if not that will affect our financial structure and that's how crocked the system is.
Title: Re: workers are slaves and salary is just a bond tied to worker to keep them working
Post by: 0t3p0t on September 12, 2024, 05:15:42 PM
If you're working under a person or company, it means you're indirectly under their control and a slave to them, because they dictate on what to do for you, some will make it clear that they cant take a salary work because they don't like loosing their reputation while receiving insult on their integrity, while some may not even bother to look on the consequences on all these when they are eager to work, because they believe they have to start from somewhere regardless of the challenges.
Yeah unless we are self employed we are only slave of money not in a specific person or individual who owns a business where most of us work not unless it was all like voluntarism. Being a slave is not that bad when you know your worth since we all have this what we called freedom to choose whether we like to become a slave forever or just temporary because we have much better plans.
Title: Re: workers are slaves and salary is just a bond tied to worker to keep them working
Post by: Crwth on September 12, 2024, 06:00:45 PM
In my opinion, it is a terrible outlook because it is not wrong to work. Having money but letting yourself do what you don’t want to do is a different story. People who look at work like that probably have had a terrible experience and haven’t been appreciated in their current work.

Enslaved people have no choice, but at work, they have an option to stay or not. It is very different, in my opinion.
Title: Re: workers are slaves and salary is just a bond tied to worker to keep them working
Post by: Agbe on September 13, 2024, 12:45:04 PM
In my opinion, the statement like he said that workers are slaves is not good way to describe workers. Workers play a crucial role in the society and economy and jobs can help a worker pick up skills and make connections that can help them with future opportunities, like starting their own business. one must experience how something is done like jobs to understand the process and which may be an opportunity to start ones business.

In the context of the message he his trying to send across he said workers are slaves because of how they are been treated, if you are a Nigerian you should definitely understand what he's talking about, you can see how those in higher authorities treat workers, they make them do more than the worth of what they are been paid but meanwhile they are using them to make a lot of money for themselves, what would you call it? Isn't it slavery? Without the workers the company or organisation wouldn't function effectively but they are not been appreciated their salaries are nothing to Write home about, there's no way to sugarcoat it, this actually a corporate form of slavery
Title: Re: workers are slaves and salary is just a bond tied to worker to keep them working
Post by: albon on September 14, 2024, 07:27:03 PM
Experience is just one thing that you can gain from any job or business. Personally i have my own food shop and i am engaged in all kinds of food sales. I have experience in buying food wholesale, and attracting buyers. Before i started the business i worked for some time in another company because of which i gained some experience. Again, if you work as an office assistant in a company then you can gain experience in many internal matters that will help you achieve your future goals. Coming to your last point, being a slave isn't such a bad thing because you have to take it for granted if you want to achieve your goals. Although you will have less freedom here, it is temporary and of course you have future goals.
Title: Re: workers are slaves and salary is just a bond tied to worker to keep them working
Post by: Stompix on September 14, 2024, 08:30:07 PM
Now, I wish to get your opinion, friends. What do you think of such a statement?

The moment some guys from Walmart get into your home, kidnap you and your family, castrate you, ship you to a center where you work in chains and after 6 months you get sold to do the same job at Costco without seeing your family again that's the moment you could call it slavery.
Till then, whoever said that has no idea what actual hardships in life are like!
Title: Re: workers are slaves and salary is just a bond tied to worker to keep them working
Post by: Sim_card on September 15, 2024, 05:00:47 PM
Experience is just one thing that you can gain from any job or business. Personally i have my own food shop and i am engaged in all kinds of food sales. I have experience in buying food wholesale, and attracting buyers. Before i started the business i worked for some time in another company because of which i gained some experience. Again, if you work as an office assistant in a company then you can gain experience in many internal matters that will help you achieve your future goals. Coming to your last point, being a slave isn't such a bad thing because you have to take it for granted if you want to achieve your goals. Although you will have less freedom here, it is temporary and of course you have future goals.
Yea, I don't see any slavery working as an employee because as long as you are learning and improving your knowledge on your job, it is beneficial because tomorrow you can go yo a bigger company and get big pay. No one is forcing anyone with guns on his head to work for the government but you have earn to survive in life.
Title: Re: workers are slaves and salary is just a bond tied to worker to keep them working
Post by: DrBeer on September 15, 2024, 06:35:37 PM
If you read the title, it was a statement made by someone yesterday as he was trying to discourage someone else from getting a white collar job.(The kind of work he was referring to is a white collar job or any job that requires you to work as an employee in another man's company or business.).

In their conversation, as I paid close attention, he said that workers are slaves and that some workers are smiling in pain while working for peanuts. He went on to say that people are not supposed to work for anyone but should rather be their own boss.

Now, I wish to get your opinion, friends. What do you think of such a statement?

Personal for me, I do believe that getting a job is not just about the salary you get paid, but there are some jobs that can help to groom you into getting more experience that can also help you to explore when you want to start your own business or company to become your own boss.

Some people even get to learn about the boss role experience after working as an employee in some office for some number of months or years.

In conclusion, workers are not actually slaves, some people have reasons why they decided to work. For example, in my country, there is one man who is the CEO of a bank. According to him, he worked with the Central Bank of my country as a tech guy, but after eight years of working with them, he gathered lots of experience and also raised enough money that he was able to start his own company. He started an MMO (mobile money provider service), but today he is now a microfinance bank, and he has made excellent more than many commercial banks in my country.

First started here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5508040.msg64488619#msg64488619)


Any idea can always be brought to a positive position as well as a negative one.
I have my own way of looking at it:
0. We are talking about normal countries where there is no slave system, or totalitarian system. This is a fundamental part of the answer.
1. No one forces employees to work. This is another fundamental part of the answer.
2. An employee is not a slave - he is contracted to supply some services, in exchange for a remuneration that satisfies both parties. 
3. Not all people, and frankly, most people, are unable to start and run their own business. There are a lot of reasons for this, and very objective.
4. Hired employees is a resource without which even a small business cannot exist. If you have 2-3 small stores, or a small family farm - you will still hire salespeople, movers ... because you simply don't have enough physical resources of your own.
Title: Re: workers are slaves and salary is just a bond tied to worker to keep them working
Post by: albon on September 15, 2024, 06:58:39 PM
Experience is just one thing that you can gain from any job or business. Personally i have my own food shop and i am engaged in all kinds of food sales. I have experience in buying food wholesale, and attracting buyers. Before i started the business i worked for some time in another company because of which i gained some experience. Again, if you work as an office assistant in a company then you can gain experience in many internal matters that will help you achieve your future goals. Coming to your last point, being a slave isn't such a bad thing because you have to take it for granted if you want to achieve your goals. Although you will have less freedom here, it is temporary and of course you have future goals.
Yea, I don't see any slavery working as an employee because as long as you are learning and improving your knowledge on your job, it is beneficial because tomorrow you can go yo a bigger company and get big pay. No one is forcing anyone with guns on his head to work for the government but you have earn to survive in life.
Money is needed to survive in life that's why i engage myself in various fields of work. I worked as a sales man to earn money a few years back. But it was very difficult because there are many people who misbehave even after receiving the delivery. Many others give tips after receiving the delivery. Actually we have different experiences in any working life. It can be work and it can also be about human behavior. However, the better the owner of a company, the more focused the company workers will be.
Title: Re: workers are slaves and salary is just a bond tied to worker to keep them working
Post by: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 15, 2024, 07:09:03 PM


Any idea can always be brought to a positive position as well as a negative one.
I have my own way of looking at it:
0. We are talking about normal countries where there is no slave system, or totalitarian system. This is a fundamental part of the answer.
1. No one forces employees to work. This is another fundamental part of the answer.
2. An employee is not a slave - he is contracted to supply some services, in exchange for a remuneration that satisfies both parties. 
3. Not all people, and frankly, most people, are unable to start and run their own business. There are a lot of reasons for this, and very objective.
4. Hired employees is a resource without which even a small business cannot exist. If you have 2-3 small stores, or a small family farm - you will still hire salespeople, movers ... because you simply don't have enough physical resources of your own.
You’re not totally wrong, it’s true that employees are not physically forced to work, but in some cases, they’re mentally forced to do the job, what do I mean by this? Some employers know fully well that the wages they offer do not really match the services they require from the employee, but due to the fact that they know too well the employees may not have much of a choice simply because they really need the money, they take advantage of them, use them and give them peanuts at the end of the month, this is nothing but a modern day mental slavery. Indeed it may actually look lol the employees have a choice to either accept or reject the offer, but in reality, by not giving the employees the chance to renegotiate the terms of the contract simply means they actually have no choice and jut because they need the money, they just have to accept the offer even when the terms of the contract does not really go down well with them.
Title: Re: workers are slaves and salary is just a bond tied to worker to keep them working
Post by: DrBeer on September 18, 2024, 11:47:34 AM


Any idea can always be brought to a positive position as well as a negative one.
I have my own way of looking at it:
0. We are talking about normal countries where there is no slave system, or totalitarian system. This is a fundamental part of the answer.
1. No one forces employees to work. This is another fundamental part of the answer.
2. An employee is not a slave - he is contracted to supply some services, in exchange for a remuneration that satisfies both parties. 
3. Not all people, and frankly, most people, are unable to start and run their own business. There are a lot of reasons for this, and very objective.
4. Hired employees is a resource without which even a small business cannot exist. If you have 2-3 small stores, or a small family farm - you will still hire salespeople, movers ... because you simply don't have enough physical resources of your own.
You’re not totally wrong, it’s true that employees are not physically forced to work, but in some cases, they’re mentally forced to do the job, what do I mean by this? Some employers know fully well that the wages they offer do not really match the services they require from the employee, but due to the fact that they know too well the employees may not have much of a choice simply because they really need the money, they take advantage of them, use them and give them peanuts at the end of the month, this is nothing but a modern day mental slavery. Indeed it may actually look lol the employees have a choice to either accept or reject the offer, but in reality, by not giving the employees the chance to renegotiate the terms of the contract simply means they actually have no choice and jut because they need the money, they just have to accept the offer even when the terms of the contract does not really go down well with them.

If no one is forcing them to work, then they can DENY their employer forcing them to do other work, without extra pay ! This is the basis of the employee-employer relationship. You need to do extra work - either pay extra money to the existing one, or hire another specialist !

If your country is totalitarian and lawless - don't vote for such people or correct the situation or go to a normal country.  This is not an easy way, but it gives results, unlike the way of “suffering” without trying to change the situation.


Title: Re: workers are slaves and salary is just a bond tied to worker to keep them working
Post by: Chilwell on November 21, 2024, 12:08:13 PM
Workers doesn't deserve to be treated as slave, but that is how some employers treat their employees, because they feel that they are owner of the companies, businesses, industries or enterprises. forgetting that mutual respect and interdependence are essential.

Employers should respect their workers as their workers are respecting them, because both of them can't do without each other, both of them are benefiting from each other, (are reciprocal beneficiaries). for instance:

Employers: company without workers is equal to zero
An individual: without job is equal to zero.

Both employers and employees need to collaborate and change the zero to hero, to put food on the table for themselves and their families, and also fulfill their financial responsibilities, by exchanging services with money.

However the company will develop and grow with the hard work of the employees, and the employer's dreams will definitely come true, because their hard work will lead to profits and company will be standardized.

Therefore, employers doesn't have any rights to treat their workers as slave. Because they also benefits from the workers.
Title: Re: workers are slaves and salary is just a bond tied to worker to keep them working
Post by: bitterguy28 on November 21, 2024, 02:22:41 PM
Workers doesn't deserve to be treated as slave, but that is how some employers treat their employees, because they feel that they are owner of the companies, businesses, industries or enterprises. forgetting that mutual respect and interdependence are essential.
you are right but i think the main post of op is that whether you are being treated fairly or not in a company just the fact alone that you are working for someone else already makes you a slave even if your boss treats you like an actual human being and has massive respect for you that doesn’t make him less of a boss to you which is why you are still under his command under his jurisdiction under his authority therefore you are still a slave you report to someone else and you are a slave

you can only be truly free if you have your own company and be the own boss of your life
Title: Re: workers are slaves and salary is just a bond tied to worker to keep them working
Post by: Agbe on November 25, 2024, 05:32:59 PM

In their conversation, as I paid close attention, he said that workers are slaves and that some workers are smiling in pain while working for peanuts. He went on to say that people are not supposed to work for anyone but should rather be their own boss.

Now, I wish to get your opinion, friends. What do you think of such a statement?

Personal for me, I do believe that getting a job is not just about the salary you get paid, but there are some jobs that can help to groom you into getting more experience that can also help you to explore when you want to start your own business or company to become your own boss.

Some people even get to learn about the boss role experience after working as an employee in some office for some number of months or years.

First started here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5508040.msg64488619#msg64488619)
The fact is that in every discussion there's what is called the context of discuss so within the context of what the two people where discussion he is right by saying that workers are slaves because carefully reading the writeup I can tell that the person making the statement was only encouraging the other person to be self reliance and independent rather than working for others which will make you depends on salary which is like a slave so the person was not trying to condemned workers but was only passing a message across for people to be innovative and come up with ideas that they can self sufficient
Title: Re: workers are slaves and salary is just a bond tied to worker to keep them working
Post by: electronicash on November 25, 2024, 06:37:48 PM

those people who are discourage to work are likely going to commit crime in order to provide for themselves or die in hunger.  working your way to make it is just how the world works though. one will just too busy to plan for the future when your also busy thinking what to eat if there is even something to eat the next day.

like it or not, this is how it is already unless you just want to live like the sea gypsies who just dive under water and eat whatever they could find under. i don't think everyone can do this while you are not even equipped to swim 5 feet under.  ;D  even the business owners are slave in this world. everyone just have to make money. 
Title: Re: workers are slaves and salary is just a bond tied to worker to keep them working
Post by: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on November 26, 2024, 05:58:46 AM
The fact is that in every discussion there's what is called the context of discuss so within the context of what the two people where discussion he is right by saying that workers are slaves because carefully reading the writeup I can tell that the person making the statement was only encouraging the other person to be self reliance and independent rather than working for others which will make you depends on salary which is like a slave so the person was not trying to condemned workers but was only passing a message across for people to be innovative and come up with ideas that they can self sufficient
And have you considered the fact that one needs to first serve before he can become a master and be served? It’s wrong to say that people should not work under others because first of all, besides the salary, there are several other benefits of working under someone or serving a master in his trade. Firstly you get to earn experience in that field, how the business works, the ins and outs of the business and the knowledge would indeed be of more importance to you tomorrow, should incase you intend to go into the same field and start your own business.

Again, when you eventually start your own business, you’ll definitely require manpower/assistance, so how exactly are you going to get that when every other persons have adopted the idea that it is slavery to work for others and refuse to become slaves, would you still look at it that way from that perspective?
Title: Re: workers are slaves and salary is just a bond tied to worker to keep them working
Post by: rachael9385 on November 26, 2024, 12:44:21 PM
I think in one way or the other that guy is very right but it depends on the kind of job, not all jobs are bad and not all salaries are bound for slavery.
Do you know that this year I mean just some months ago I accepted an offer to stay at home and to stop my work infact it's not an offer I stopped cause I saw that the work and salary was a bound for slavery damn. Like there are some work you do that is even better you have nothing doing I tell you but having your own job or business is the best or finding a work that is good not all jobs are bad.
Title: Re: workers are slaves and salary is just a bond tied to worker to keep them working
Post by: Rruchi man on November 29, 2024, 09:32:09 PM
Again, when you eventually start your own business, you’ll definitely require manpower/assistance, so how exactly are you going to get that when every other persons have adopted the idea that it is slavery to work for others and refuse to become slaves, would you still look at it that way from that perspective?
You're only a slave as a worker when you've decided that you could do nothing better or else with your life and do not see any progress from the current position you are in. That will reflect a state of slavery both mentally and physically because you could do a lot more than choose to remain stagnant at a position in a company that has been paying you exactly the same amount of salary over a couple of years without any form of increment, incentive, or plan for better for you.
Title: Re: workers are slaves and salary is just a bond tied to worker to keep them working
Post by: 0t3p0t on November 29, 2024, 09:42:57 PM
You're only a slave as a worker when you've decided that you could do nothing better or else with your life and do not see any progress from the current position you are in. That will reflect a state of slavery both mentally and physically because you could do a lot more than choose to remain stagnant at a position in a company that has been paying you exactly the same amount of salary over a couple of years without any form of increment, incentive, or plan for better for you.
I agree. And the question is that, do we really want to be slave? Because I know we do have choices like we stay as is or we do aquire special skills so we can do self employment. It is really up to us whether we are contented or is it enough for us to remain what we are. These slaves are actually from the lower class in the society it might be me, you or other people in the hood but I personally choose to be a slave of my own that is why I am here in this decentralized system because based on my observation slavery comes from centrailization.
Title: Re: workers are slaves and salary is just a bond tied to worker to keep them working
Post by: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on November 30, 2024, 03:07:32 PM
You're only a slave as a worker when you've decided that you could do nothing better or else with your life and do not see any progress from the current position you are in. That will reflect a state of slavery both mentally and physically because you could do a lot more than choose to remain stagnant at a position in a company that has been paying you exactly the same amount of salary over a couple of years without any form of increment, incentive, or plan for better for you.
Before a person takes up the job, it means that he has already evaluated the job and the salary, that also includes putting so many things into consideration and have accepted that salary offered is enough to cover for the services he renders to that person or company, he also had a chance to either take the job or let it go and he chose to take it, so how much his services gives the company is no longer his concern as long as he willingly took up the job and accepted the pay, and if the employee still feels like the company is robbed or enslaved, then he has every right to leave the company.
Title: Re: workers are slaves and salary is just a bond tied to worker to keep them working
Post by: DrBeer on December 01, 2024, 11:07:44 PM
Wage labor is not synonymous with slavery. The problem is that only a small part of the population can take responsibility and risks, have a set of knowledge and skills to start working for themselves. For the majority of the population on the planet - wage work is an easier and less risky way to make money than starting a business
Title: Re: workers are slaves and salary is just a bond tied to worker to keep them working
Post by: Asiska02 on December 05, 2024, 07:26:56 PM
Wage labor is not synonymous with slavery. The problem is that only a small part of the population can take responsibility and risks, have a set of knowledge and skills to start working for themselves. For the majority of the population on the planet - wage work is an easier and less risky way to make money than starting a business

You have a point in your assertion. When people are not ready to take risks to become a better version of themselves, it becomes easier to be classified under the category of slave work. When your thinking capability is being glued to one place and you don’t seem to think outside the box to make yourself and your life better, you become very adamant and feel that’s the only way you can survive and without it, you can be nobody. Success are mostly found out of the comfort zone and until you try to explore out of that comfort zone you’ll know better that working under a fixed salary is just a small part or a stepping stone to more that you can achieve in this world.
Title: Re: workers are slaves and salary is just a bond tied to worker to keep them working
Post by: bisdak40 on December 08, 2024, 12:21:03 AM
We are not slaves we are just people who are hardworking to survive for another day and yes being a worker get to see how a business really runs because they’re the ones making it happen. By dealing with the day-to-day stuff they learn what works what doesn’t and how to solve problems. This experience is super helpful if they ever want to start their own business since they already know the ropes.
Title: Re: workers are slaves and salary is just a bond tied to worker to keep them working
Post by: DrBeer on December 09, 2024, 08:53:58 AM
Wage labor is not synonymous with slavery. The problem is that only a small part of the population can take responsibility and risks, have a set of knowledge and skills to start working for themselves. For the majority of the population on the planet - wage work is an easier and less risky way to make money than starting a business

You have a point in your assertion. When people are not ready to take risks to become a better version of themselves, it becomes easier to be classified under the category of slave work. When your thinking capability is being glued to one place and you don’t seem to think outside the box to make yourself and your life better, you become very adamant and feel that’s the only way you can survive and without it, you can be nobody. Success are mostly found out of the comfort zone and until you try to explore out of that comfort zone you’ll know better that working under a fixed salary is just a small part or a stepping stone to more that you can achieve in this world.

Very beautifully and accurately said + !
Indeed - our fears limit our desires. And as long as the desire to live a better life is not stronger than the fear of responsibility for probable risks, a person will be guaranteed to live badly all his life.
And again we remember a great phrase - “The greatest folly is to do the same thing and hope for a different result”
Title: Re: workers are slaves and salary is just a bond tied to worker to keep them working
Post by: JoyMarsha on December 10, 2024, 11:03:57 PM
Life doesn't work like that. "Every one of us can't be their boss," no matter how we try. God created humans and made us be the ones to help one another, where there are people who will lead, and there are people who will be servants(to serve others). If all of us ended up being bosses, there wouldn't be growth in our businesses and lives because almost everyone is working without help, which can hinder the production and distribution of goods and services globally. There won't be enough production of things that will serve humanity because someone alone can't do it without the help of others. Their services need to be paid for.
Title: Re: workers are slaves and salary is just a bond tied to worker to keep them working
Post by: chigo on December 13, 2024, 03:25:14 AM
I like the title of this topic, it is very burning especially for workers who feel they cannot escape from the clutches of their work. but one thing you have to understand is that this world needs balance, it is impossible if we see everyone becoming the boss, then who becomes the worker? all of that needs balance, when you are not able to be a boss, it is not a mistake, you can still be a good employee.
Title: Re: workers are slaves and salary is just a bond tied to worker to keep them working
Post by: Didia Sofunichi on December 24, 2024, 09:14:51 AM
The fact is that there's need for multiple streams of income, salary or not if you are engaged in just a single job you might just be living from hand to mouth.

People must understand the need to get multiple streams of income, most importantly there's need for remote jobs that do not not necessarily need physical presence and start up capital.
Title: Re: workers are slaves and salary is just a bond tied to worker to keep them working
Post by: Didia Sofunichi on January 04, 2025, 07:55:31 AM
A friend of mine told me few weeks ago that salary is just like monthly subscription for workers,  as fun as it may sound but it's completely true. Salary make workers main a certain circle, it makes them live a certain conservative and a regimented lifestyle.

Salary earners who want to grow must own their own businesses no matter how small
Title: Re: workers are slaves and salary is just a bond tied to worker to keep them working
Post by: DragonF on January 04, 2025, 09:00:13 AM
If you read the title, it was a statement made by someone yesterday as he was trying to discourage someone else from getting a white collar job.(The kind of work he was referring to is a white collar job or any job that requires you to work as an employee in another man's company or business.).

In their conversation, as I paid close attention, he said that workers are slaves and that some workers are smiling in pain while working for peanuts. He went on to say that people are not supposed to work for anyone but should rather be their own boss.

Now, I wish to get your opinion, friends. What do you think of such a statement?

Not everyone will be a business owner. There are those who will work for a company and those who will be its owners. This is the way society functions. Some businesses can provide you with the necessary life boost, and you can grow from them. As long as employees are able to utilize their pay effectively at the end of the day, I do not view them as slaves.

Without a doubt, a worker's salary is not always sufficient, so it is their responsibility to generate additional revenue, no matter how small, to supplement their pay. This is also crucial because no employee will work indefinitely, so there must be a backup plan in place in case of retirement or even job loss. A worker should always be prepared for anything because he does not own the business.
Title: Re: workers are slaves and salary is just a bond tied to worker to keep them working
Post by: Chilwell on January 19, 2025, 12:13:50 PM
A friend of mine told me few weeks ago that salary is just like monthly subscription for workers,  as fun as it may sound but it's completely true. Salary make workers main a certain circle, it makes them live a certain conservative and a regimented lifestyle.

Salary earners who want to grow must own their own businesses no matter how small
You came up really good idea. salary earners should consider starting their own business, no matter how small. With time, patience, and dedication, everything will fall into place. They'll gain independence, financial stability, and break free from the constraints of being an employee. people will lost the ability to address them as a slave. However, it is not that easy to start up a business because money is needed to do so, and it is not easy for some people to start up a little business with the amount of money that they are earning, because they have to stabilize their financial status.
Title: Re: workers are slaves and salary is just a bond tied to worker to keep them working
Post by: bisdak40 on January 19, 2025, 05:20:31 PM
Wage labor is not synonymous with slavery. The problem is that only a small part of the population can take responsibility and risks, have a set of knowledge and skills to start working for themselves. For the majority of the population on the planet - wage work is an easier and less risky way to make money than starting a business

You have a point in your assertion. When people are not ready to take risks to become a better version of themselves, it becomes easier to be classified under the category of slave work. When your thinking capability is being glued to one place and you don’t seem to think outside the box to make yourself and your life better, you become very adamant and feel that’s the only way you can survive and without it, you can be nobody. Success are mostly found out of the comfort zone and until you try to explore out of that comfort zone you’ll know better that working under a fixed salary is just a small part or a stepping stone to more that you can achieve in this world.
A lot of people stick to jobs because it feels safer and less risky than starting something on their own. But sometimes, staying in that comfort zone can hold you back from seeing what you’re really capable of. It’s not that working a job is bad it can be a good start. But if you never take a chance to step out, try new things, or think bigger, you might miss out on achieving something greater. Success often comes when you push past your fears and limits.
Title: Re: workers are slaves and salary is just a bond tied to worker to keep them working
Post by: 0t3p0t on January 19, 2025, 06:33:18 PM
Wage labor is not synonymous with slavery. The problem is that only a small part of the population can take responsibility and risks, have a set of knowledge and skills to start working for themselves. For the majority of the population on the planet - wage work is an easier and less risky way to make money than starting a business
Exactly. People became slaves because it is their personal choice or they are not risk takers people who are afraid to make mistakes were usually called slaves because they are contented with only what they have or they lack the knowledge required to get them out of being slaves. I know not all of us were slaves and not all of us experienced being one but yeah I hope one day they will realize the importance of getting out. I was once a slave and don't want to be like that forever.
Title: Re: workers are slaves and salary is just a bond tied to worker to keep them working
Post by: DragonF on January 20, 2025, 08:02:04 AM
A lot of people stick to jobs because it feels safer and less risky than starting something on their own. But sometimes, staying in that comfort zone can hold you back from seeing what you’re really capable of. It’s not that working a job is bad it can be a good start. But if you never take a chance to step out, try new things, or think bigger, you might miss out on achieving something greater. Success often comes when you push past your fears and limits.

As you mentioned, safety is an important factor, as is alignment with your personal goals and pay when taking on a new job. People do not just start a job without considering the risks involved. People can choose the type of job they want, either overtly or covertly. Some people do not want to be multimillionaires, so as long as their job provides them with all of the basic necessities for themselves, they have no problem working for anyone. After all, there is value in labor.

Everyone will not go out looking for more. In fact, some people who took the bold step you mentioned later regretted it because the outcome was never what they expected. I have seen a person quit his government job because he started a business, and the business was doing well at the time, so he hurriedly quit the job, only to regret it three years later when his business failed and those people he worked with were in positions of wealth and affluence, making him regret it.

Similarly, I have seen someone quit a civil service job and go to work for a company with the intention of making a good investment with his salary, but 6 months later, the company fired him, and he is still out of work and regretting it. We should always think twice before taking a bold step. Most of the time, the known is preferable to the unknown.