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Title: Quality Index - Determining users' content quality
Post by: admin on September 10, 2024, 09:51:06 AM
Being discussed in forum senate

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I have previously announced a quality bar to improve posts quality:
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=319457.0

but i notice further action is required, thus this quality index.
the objective of this forum is to discuss crypto, increase and share knowledge about crypto, not find every possible non crypto subject just to increase post count.

thus decided to try to see if we can improve the situation.

It is normal to have a mixture of different quality posts, but when most of your posts belong to one type, this will grant you one of these badges:
(https://www.altcoinstalks.com/Themes/default/images/lowqp.png)
(https://www.altcoinstalks.com/Themes/default/images/hero.png)
(https://www.altcoinstalks.com/Themes/default/images/expert.png)

-  .  Low quality posts  .  Ok quality posts  .  Good quality posts  .  Great quality posts  .  -
When?  .  Non crypto related topics  .  General crypto topics & News  .  Technical Updates from chains & Detailed analysis  .  In depth technical & Coding  .  status
user1  .  20  .  10  .  5  .  5  .  Neutral
user2  .  20  .  3  .  1  .  0  .  (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/Themes/default/images/lowqp.png)
user3  .  5  .  10  .  10  .  10  .  (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/Themes/default/images/hero.png)
user4  .  5  .  10  .  10  .  20  .  (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/Themes/default/images/expert.png)
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Admin  .  -  .  -  .  -  .  -  .  -

This index will be updated every now and then, by me, global mods and president / vice president
Each time the last 20-50 posts will be taken in consideration

--- Rules (to be developed), so far:
1- if low quality more than all the others > low Q badge (unless 25% or more is in-depth & technical )
2- we can scrap the low quality badge
Title: Re: Quality Index - Determining users' content quality
Post by: hugeblack on September 10, 2024, 11:10:01 AM

It is normal to have a mixture of different quality posts, but when most of your posts belong to one type, this will grant you one of these badges:

This will lead to the opposite effect of increasing technical spam and having less discussions on General crypto topics.


As if I created all posts in Non crypto related topics, this does not mean that the quality of posts is low or spam.


In short, classifying the quality of posts based on the boards will be bad, it is better to rely on decentralized things like +Karma, quality bar, and voting.
Title: Re: Quality Index - Determining users' content quality
Post by: examplens on September 10, 2024, 11:40:57 AM
I ask if the thread is open for discussion because it seems to be a very debatable matter.

This will lead to the opposite effect of increasing technical spam and having less discussions on General crypto topics.


As if I created all posts in Non crypto related topics, this does not mean that the quality of posts is low or spam.


In short, classifying the quality of posts based on the boards will be bad, it is better to rely on decentralized things like +Karma, quality bar, and voting.
+1 by my side

There is only one technical board, all the rest are non-technical discussions, and there is not much activity there.

The method of implementation itself is also a rather bad idea because it is centralized, it will be based on some personal opinions. At the same time, an additional burden for the administration, I assume that you will have to go through all the posts of all active members during the month. That's thousands of posts.
I am very sure that there are much more important tasks to improve the forum that could be devoted to time

Probably is okay to add the expert badge to someone who has proven technical knowledge, but tagging someone because he doesn't know how to sign a message on an address is a pretty bad thing.

Wouldn't it be better to improve the already existing karma system? If it were visible which post received more karma (+ or -) points, it would be obvious to everyone what the quality of the post or the user who wrote it is.
Title: Re: Quality Index - Determining users' content quality
Post by: admin on September 10, 2024, 12:59:43 PM
I ask if the thread is open for discussion because it seems to be a very debatable matter.

This will lead to the opposite effect of increasing technical spam and having less discussions on General crypto topics.


As if I created all posts in Non crypto related topics, this does not mean that the quality of posts is low or spam.


In short, classifying the quality of posts based on the boards will be bad, it is better to rely on decentralized things like +Karma, quality bar, and voting.
+1 by my side

There is only one technical board, all the rest are non-technical discussions, and there is not much activity there.

The method of implementation itself is also a rather bad idea because it is centralized, it will be based on some personal opinions. At the same time, an additional burden for the administration, I assume that you will have to go through all the posts of all active members during the month. That's thousands of posts.
I am very sure that there are much more important tasks to improve the forum that could be devoted to time

Probably is okay to add the expert badge to someone who has proven technical knowledge, but tagging someone because he doesn't know how to sign a message on an address is a pretty bad thing.

Wouldn't it be better to improve the already existing karma system? If it were visible which post received more karma (+ or -) points, it would be obvious to everyone what the quality of the post or the user who wrote it is.

this is exactly my point,
most users on this forum jump on each opportunity to discuss anything .... except crypto
our forum is flooded with low quality content because of that
if more than half your posts are about something other than crypto > it really indicates you are reaching for the low hanging fruits
yeah sure, let's discuss a forum policy, it's much easier than learning and discussing what mainnet was launched, or what regulation or license was done concerning crypto ..
when i created the shit post badge i wanted to give it to many users, but reconsidered as that would penalise them signature wise.
Title: Re: Quality Index - Determining users' content quality
Post by: dragononcrypto on September 10, 2024, 02:04:17 PM
Don't think is a good idea what so ever to be it bluntly similar to what others have suggested.  A centralised ranking system is simply not a good idea at all and it would only drive quality users away so I suggest a speedy rollback of this proposal. As examplens said, it'd be better just to improve current karma system, even if complicated it'd be less work in the long-term.

Can we otherwise just launch the senate election already now details have been finalised and discuss forum policy over there with elected reps?
Title: Re: Quality Index - Determining users' content quality
Post by: admin on September 10, 2024, 02:44:22 PM
Don't think is a good idea what so ever to be it bluntly similar to what others have suggested.  A centralised ranking system is simply not a good idea at all and it would only drive quality users away so I suggest a speedy rollback of this proposal. As examplens said, it'd be better just to improve current karma system, even if complicated it'd be less work in the long-term.

Can we otherwise just launch the senate election already now details have been finalised and discuss forum policy over there with elected reps?
sure, freemind gave the go ?

also, this is not a ranking system, it is a simple observation of how users contribute
Title: Re: Quality Index - Determining users' content quality
Post by: bitmover on September 10, 2024, 03:49:46 PM
A centralised ranking system is simply not a good idea at all and it would only drive quality users away so I suggest a speedy rollback of this proposal. As examplens said, it'd be better just to improve current karma system, even if complicated it'd be less work in the long-term.

What about if the badges mentioned by the admin, could be added according to Karma count earned in the specific Cryptocurrency board?

Or even disable +Karma to posts which are not crypto related.

Imo, more transparency to Karma should be top priority. Knowing which posts received Karma, and who gave karma to that posts, would fix most abuses and highlight best posts.

Karma is a already a good way to measure post quality.
Title: Re: Quality Index - Determining users' content quality
Post by: dragononcrypto on September 10, 2024, 04:04:42 PM
A centralised ranking system is simply not a good idea at all and it would only drive quality users away so I suggest a speedy rollback of this proposal. As examplens said, it'd be better just to improve current karma system, even if complicated it'd be less work in the long-term.

What about if the badges mentioned by the admin, could be added according to Karma count earned in the specific Cryptocurrency board?

Yeh something like this makes more sense I was thinking. For example (post count / karma = rating) as some sort of algo.

It would save a lot of mod work rating users that otherwise isn't going to happen in reality.

Karma is a already a good way to measure post quality.

Agreed, this is what I've always thought. It should be up to the community to decide which posts they believe have value using karma, no-one else. There was a time when the forum was better curated using +/- karma and those with low quality posts would have very little or otherwise negative karma, but there are many more users issuing karma now since teleportation so times have changed. I otherwise recommended we update LQP post (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=13796.0) to include "posts with low quality or value" as opposed to simply "short shitty replies", so that low quality posts in general are eligible for -karma. The forums concept of shitposting seems outdated now that quality has generally improved, so we should be raising the bar here.

Title: Re: Quality Index - Determining users' content quality
Post by: Findingnemo on September 10, 2024, 06:10:33 PM
I am in for anything that will help the increase of quality in the discussion but this system looks too centralized and it will take a hell lot of work for admin (you) and mods or anyone who will be analysing the quality of the posts since everything has to be checked manually.

Like others pointed out Karma system is good enough to deal with the low quality posts but since it's not required to rank up then I guess something has to be in place to keep everything in check.

Let's see how the system works...
Title: Re: Quality Index - Determining users' content quality
Post by: un_rank on September 10, 2024, 07:48:15 PM
this is exactly my point,
most users on this forum jump on each opportunity to discuss anything .... except crypto
our forum is flooded with low quality content because of that
if more than half your posts are about something other than crypto > it really indicates you are reaching for the low hanging fruits
This imo falls under stricter moderation rather than a badge, if there is zero tolerance for low quality content and they get deleted often, people will stop making such content or it will reduce. Reducing the benefits of low quality posts, will also help as there is no motivation to prop up post count.

We may have to wait and see how this quality index gets implemented, but my first impression is skeptical.

- Jay -
Title: Re: Quality Index - Determining users' content quality
Post by: Freemind on September 10, 2024, 08:47:39 PM
~snip~

I think incentivizing technical conversations with Karma or additional tokens (or a combination of both) would be more stimulating than "flagging" users with those badges. I know they are different ways of pursuing the same goal, but I think we can say that it is somewhat aggressive. In any case, before having a better formed opinion, I would like to know what more users think and read their opinions.



sure, freemind gave the go ?

Tomorrow I will have a post ready that I will send to dragononcrypto to make sure everything is correct, if so I will let you know before publishing it.
Title: Re: Quality Index - Determining users' content quality
Post by: Mia Chloe on September 10, 2024, 09:32:54 PM
I think incentivizing technical conversations with Karma or additional tokens (or a combination of both) would be more stimulating than "flagging" users with those badges. I know they are different ways of pursuing the same goal, but I think we can say that it is somewhat aggressive. In any case, before having a better formed opinion, I would like to know what more users think and read their opinions.
You have quite a nice point here. From my experience so far on forums like this , technical board are always the best and have the most contributions most of the time. Anyone here that frequently visits the technical board will definitely agree to the fact s that technical post are very engaging and actually helps members slot in different ways and this includes both the person probably asking the technical question and those contributing too.

With the current karma system in my opinion, I really don't think that the technical board members are getting enough appreciations for their contributions to the forum. Sometimes you can't really tell if someone is an active quality posters in boards like this since very few persons have those extra badges.
Title: Re: Quality Index - Determining users' content quality
Post by: philipma1957 on September 10, 2024, 10:43:25 PM
A centralised ranking system is simply not a good idea at all and it would only drive quality users away so I suggest a speedy rollback of this proposal. As examplens said, it'd be better just to improve current karma system, even if complicated it'd be less work in the long-term.

What about if the badges mentioned by the admin, could be added according to Karma count earned in the specific Cryptocurrency board?

Or even disable +Karma to posts which are not crypto related.

Imo, more transparency to Karma should be top priority. Knowing which posts received Karma, and who gave karma to that posts, would fix most abuses and highlight best posts.

Karma is a already a good way to measure post quality.

Karma from who is fine. I HAVE NO NEED to know who gave me karma up or karma down.

I really do want to know what posts gets an up or a down.

I have around +117 Karma.  But maybe I am plus 200 and I have 83 negs. Don't know but want to know.

As for posting to get paid finding any way to make a post I am not that person.  But I do have a real problem about good tech posts, I mine and I build rigs to mine. At the moment mining sucks and the interest In mining has mostly vanished.

Title: Re: Quality Index - Determining users' content quality
Post by: KingsDen on September 10, 2024, 11:00:04 PM
To me, this is not a very great idea. If this is implemented, expect spammers to find their way to this stage "In depth technical & Coding". Meanwhile, why do we have coding to be a prerequisite for a quality post in a cryptocurrency forum?

Admin has alot of jobs to do, I'll advice you ignore this task, and campaign managers can indirectly solve this for you. When campaign managers exempt some boards in their campaign, the participants will naturally readjust.

Besides, if you don't want discussion in generic boards, delete the boards and all will be fine.
Title: Re: Quality Index - Determining users' content quality
Post by: dkbit98 on September 10, 2024, 11:45:21 PM
This index will be updated every now and then, by me, global mods and president / vice president
Each time the last 20-50 posts will be taken in consideration
It is a bad idea to give so much power to admin and moderators, and I don't see how this can improve quality of the posts in any way.
If you want to reduce number of posts unrelated with crypto than you should delete and unite some boards and topics in Further Discussions.
I am against this proposal, and I think this would only create more confusion in forum.
Title: Re: Quality Index - Determining users' content quality
Post by: bitmover on September 11, 2024, 12:36:45 PM
This index will be updated every now and then, by me, global mods and president / vice president
Each time the last 20-50 posts will be taken in consideration
It is a bad idea to give so much power to admin and moderators, and I don't see how this can improve quality of the posts in any way.
If you want to reduce number of posts unrelated with crypto than you should delete and unite some boards and topics in Further Discussions.
I am against this proposal, and I think this would only create more confusion in forum.

If admin disable signatures in boards not related to crypto, we will see an increase in activity in crypto related boards for sure.

This could be an idea to reduce posts about offtopic discussions
Title: Re: Quality Index - Determining users' content quality
Post by: Freemind on September 11, 2024, 01:53:19 PM
If admin disable signatures in boards not related to crypto, we will see an increase in activity in crypto related boards for sure.

This could be an idea to reduce posts about offtopic discussions

Correct, but that would not solve the problem, that would only move the problem from one place to another, from my point of view. If the administrator disables signatures on a given board, many users will stop posting to that board. As you know, there are some sections of the forum where posts are not counted and are not used to increase ranks, but eliminating signatures to "move" traffic to certain boards does not seem like the solution to me. As I said in my previous post, incentivizing with Karma (if it is possible to automate the process it would be much better) and forum tokens could be another possible solution to this.
Title: Re: Quality Index - Determining users' content quality
Post by: admin on September 11, 2024, 03:55:13 PM
If admin disable signatures in boards not related to crypto, we will see an increase in activity in crypto related boards for sure.

This could be an idea to reduce posts about offtopic discussions

Correct, but that would not solve the problem, that would only move the problem from one place to another, from my point of view. If the administrator disables signatures on a given board, many users will stop posting to that board. As you know, there are some sections of the forum where posts are not counted and are not used to increase ranks, but eliminating signatures to "move" traffic to certain boards does not seem like the solution to me. As I said in my previous post, incentivizing with Karma (if it is possible to automate the process it would be much better) and forum tokens could be another possible solution to this.

i'm in a politico-philosophical mood today
this issue which replicates in real life
can be only resolved in 2 ways:
strong capitalist incentive
tough dictatorship approach

and funny enough, the entire word swings one way or the other, either countries are super capitalist or there are a lot of rules
Title: Re: Quality Index - Determining users' content quality
Post by: Agbe on September 11, 2024, 04:20:21 PM
I ask if the thread is open for discussion because it seems to be a very debatable matter.

This will lead to the opposite effect of increasing technical spam and having less discussions on General crypto topics.


As if I created all posts in Non crypto related topics, this does not mean that the quality of posts is low or spam.


In short, classifying the quality of posts based on the boards will be bad, it is better to rely on decentralized things like +Karma, quality bar, and voting.
+1 by my side

There is only one technical board, all the rest are non-technical discussions, and there is not much activity there.

The method of implementation itself is also a rather bad idea because it is centralized, it will be based on some personal opinions. At the same time, an additional burden for the administration, I assume that you will have to go through all the posts of all active members during the month. That's thousands of posts.
I am very sure that there are much more important tasks to improve the forum that could be devoted to time

Probably is okay to add the expert badge to someone who has proven technical knowledge, but tagging someone because he doesn't know how to sign a message on an address is a pretty bad thing.

Wouldn't it be better to improve the already existing karma system? If it were visible which post received more karma (+ or -) points, it would be obvious to everyone what the quality of the post or the user who wrote it is.

this is exactly my point,
most users on this forum jump on each opportunity to discuss anything .... except crypto
our forum is flooded with low quality content because of that
if more than half your posts are about something other than crypto > it really indicates you are reaching for the low hanging fruits
yeah sure, let's discuss a forum policy, it's much easier than learning and discussing what mainnet was launched, or what regulation or license was done concerning crypto ..
when i created the shit post badge i wanted to give it to many users, but reconsidered as that would penalise them signature wise.
Those low quality threads should be locked or deleted even if nobody has reported them and if a moderator sees them. And if you go ahead with this content then you restrict users from many boards because not everyone can discuss fluently in those designated boards and once they are force to make comments in those boards then you will see garbage posts in those boards. Therefore the best way is to allow everyone to post around the forum. And let those who are good in specific boards should also post and that is the liberty you have been preaching.
Title: Re: Quality Index - Determining users' content quality
Post by: dkbit98 on September 12, 2024, 12:18:30 AM
If admin disable signatures in boards not related to crypto, we will see an increase in activity in crypto related boards for sure.
But you know what kind of post increase we are going to see... certainly not anything constructive and good, if they all just move from those boards to crypto related.
I am not saying disabling signatures in some boards is a bad idea, but it won't solve the problem of content quality.
If you want quality discussion you need to have different opinions, and people that don't agree, not everyone writing nice things.
Title: Re: Quality Index - Determining users' content quality
Post by: bitmover on September 12, 2024, 02:04:28 PM
If you want quality discussion you need to have different opinions, and people that don't agree, not everyone writing nice things.

You also need knowledge people participating in the discussions.
I think we have that here, and more reputable members from bitcointalk are still coming.

I think it is hard to find the good discussions that are happening here.. so many boards..  but I know they exist
Title: Re: Quality Index - Determining users' content quality
Post by: examplens on September 12, 2024, 02:36:07 PM
If admin disable signatures in boards not related to crypto, we will see an increase in activity in crypto related boards for sure.

This could be an idea to reduce posts about offtopic discussions
I agree that disabling signatures would only move spam to another part of the forum. It's not a solution. I am not even in favour of any kind of "punishment" or labelling of those who did not write about technical matters.

I'm more in favour of some form of rewarding those who have contributed to quality. For example, every month, one or two "highest quality" members in that period would receive a temporary quality badge and an additional +10 karma points. Of course, the karma system would have to be improved for rewarding karma to have value.

Also, creators of quality themes should be additionally rewarded, with points, badges, whatever. Later such points could be converted into ALTT tokens. That would certainly help
Title: Re: Quality Index - Determining users' content quality
Post by: dkbit98 on September 13, 2024, 12:43:19 AM
You also need knowledge people participating in the discussions.
I think we have that here, and more reputable members from bitcointalk are still coming.
I think inflow of new quality members stopped a while ago, and good discussion is harder to find in any forum these days.
Few members I know joined this forum but they are not very active.

PS
Tell me what is that new D.TEAM badge in your profile, and in some other members?
You have some fancy new role in forum?  8)
Title: Re: Quality Index - Determining users' content quality
Post by: bitmover on September 13, 2024, 02:23:48 AM

Tell me what is that new D.TEAM badge in your profile, and in some other members?
You have some fancy new role in forum?  8)

This is a new fancy  role ;)

People who makes lots of reports of some kind of useful tools for the forum

More information here:
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=323994.msg1621516#msg1621516
Title: Re: Quality Index - Determining users' content quality
Post by: dkbit98 on September 13, 2024, 11:35:23 PM
This is a new fancy  role ;)

People who makes lots of reports of some kind of useful tools for the forum
Interesting, decentralized team role 8)
I didn't saw that topic before but I see it has something to do with reports and help cleaning the forum.
It would be nice if we could see our reports in similar way like we can do it bitcointalk forum.