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Title: Love Letter From Tom & Patrick to Gary: Let Americans Have Their Crypto Airdrops
Post by: TomPluz on September 18, 2024, 06:15:36 AM

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In a letter to the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) Chair Gary Gensler, Representative Tom Emmer (R-MN)—the House Majority Whip—expressed concerns about how the regulator views crypto airdrops under the lens of securities law.

Seeking clarification on the matter, Emmer and McHenry further accused Gensler and the SEC of putting its thumb on the scale and preventing Americans from “shaping the next iteration of the internet.”

“Airdrops play an important role in incentivizing participation in blockchain-based applications, which, in turn, contribute to the continued development, initial governance, and ultimate decentralization of these networks,” Emmer said in a statement.

In the new letter, Emmer and McHenry requested that Gensler clarify the SEC's position by September 30 on whether distributing non-security digital assets for free triggers the Howey test—and, if so, under what specific conditions.



Get more of this development here. (https://decrypt.co/249950/let-americans-have-crypto-airdrops-lawmakers-gary-gensler)


I am not really aware that American citizens are having a hard time and many maybe chose not to participate in airdrops because of the possibility of violating the security laws of the country. And because of this SEC should clarify this issues once and for all and must openly defend its position under the light of the day and not hide under its " regulation by enforcement" mentality. While not all airdrops are worth it, all people should be free to receive anything especially for free or under some conditions which mostly don't cost money. As one who is involved with cryptocurrency, I can a little bit lucky that am not based in USA and I am not under the power of that man named Gary Gensler, an enemy of this industry.










Title: Re: Love Letter From Tom & Patrick to Gary: Let Americans Have Their Crypto Airdrops
Post by: Faisal2202 on September 18, 2024, 10:00:56 AM
I am not really aware that American citizens are having a hard time and many maybe chose not to participate in airdrops because of the possibility of violating the security laws of the country. And because of this SEC should clarify this issues once and for all and must openly defend its position under the light of the day and not hide under its " regulation by enforcement" mentality. While not all airdrops are worth it, all people should be free to receive anything especially for free or under some conditions which mostly don't cost money. As one who is involved with cryptocurrency, I can a little bit lucky that am not based in USA and I am not under the power of that man named Gary Gensler, an enemy of this industry.
They are not having a hard time as I think you don't join airdrops mostly but I have been very active in joining airdrops and joined more than 200+ airdrops till Jan I know the numbers are low as there are more airdrops in the market but after April I kinda did not update my spreadsheet. Well, the thing is most of the airdrops don't allow US citizens to join their airdrops, it's not only with the USA there are other countries that are also on the ban list.

I also wonder sometimes why would they ban USA especially there might be some other reason behind the disobeying of SEC's law. They have also mentioned that previously SEC sued Justin Sun for airdropping money to people the founder is the one who got accused and has to face the problems so most of the projects even those based in the USA don't allow their citizens to claim airdrops or participate in airdrops. However, there are other ways to join airdrops for US citizens if they really want to.
Title: Re: Love Letter From Tom & Patrick to Gary: Let Americans Have Their Crypto Airdrops
Post by: ABCbits on September 18, 2024, 11:58:29 AM
I appreciate effort of those politician, but i doubt single letter would change mind of SEC chair. A petition could be more effective in this case.

I am not really aware that American citizens are having a hard time and many maybe chose not to participate in airdrops because of the possibility of violating the security laws of the country.

But in practice, the one who worry about that is the project team who wish to launch airdrop. SEC wouldn't bother go after individual.

While not all airdrops are worth it, all people should be free to receive anything especially for free or under some conditions which mostly don't cost money.

I agree. Although some airdrop these days require identify verification (where they claim to prevent abuse/multiple claim) or tasks which take lots of time.
Title: Re: Love Letter From Tom & Patrick to Gary: Let Americans Have Their Crypto Airdrops
Post by: Jating on September 18, 2024, 12:06:06 PM
^^ It's because SEC under Gary has been scrutinizing every crypto projects and as you can see, he is anti-crypto if we look at how he handled SEC under his reign. That's why many US crypto enthusiasts are really attacking him or doesn't like him being the head of SEC for now.

He has received a lot of backlash, however, his tenure is align with the current US sitting President as he is a nominee of Biden. And with that, in case the Trump win then Gary is out. Not sure though if Kamala wins if she wanted to retain Gary's services.
Title: Re: Love Letter From Tom & Patrick to Gary: Let Americans Have Their Crypto Airdrops
Post by: Lucius on September 18, 2024, 03:20:59 PM
~snip~
He has received a lot of backlash, however, his tenure is align with the current US sitting President as he is a nominee of Biden. And with that, in case the Trump win then Gary is out. Not sure though if Kamala wins if she wanted to retain Gary's services.


We have already written about it, the president of the US cannot replace the GG, his mandate lasts until 2026 and he can only leave on his own or if some kind of anarchy happens and he is forcibly removed. Given that DT stated in one of his public appearances that people will only need to vote in the next elections if he wins, then would that mean that the US will become a country with a dictator?

I'm not a fan of airdrops, but I wouldn't prevent people from participating in them, of course, provided they are of legal age and aware of all the risks. People will always find a way to do something even if there is some kind of ban.
Title: Re: Love Letter From Tom & Patrick to Gary: Let Americans Have Their Crypto Airdrops
Post by: MrSpasybo on September 19, 2024, 04:05:16 PM
We have already written about it, the president of the US cannot replace the GG, his mandate lasts until 2026 and he can only leave on his own or if some kind of anarchy happens and he is forcibly removed. Given that DT stated in one of his public appearances that people will only need to vote in the next elections if he wins, then would that mean that the US will become a country with a dictator?

I'm not a fan of airdrops, but I wouldn't prevent people from participating in them, of course, provided they are of legal age and aware of all the risks. People will always find a way to do something even if there is some kind of ban.
I hope Gensler will step down soon after the election, regardless of who the new president is. Gensler has created chaos in the crypto market for years with his claims of protecting investors but he has indirectly caused many investors to suffer losses.

If Gensler leaves the SEC and we have another crypto-friendly SEC member, things will change for the better for crypto, especially when we will also have a clear legal framework for this market soon. Then, not only airdrops, investors will have the right to participate in most activities in the crypto market for profit or entertainment ^^
Title: Re: Love Letter From Tom & Patrick to Gary: Let Americans Have Their Crypto Airdrops
Post by: NotATether on September 19, 2024, 04:29:02 PM
I define an airdrop to be when somebody gives you free coins for doing a task, so how the hell does Uncle Gary see it as a security?

Maybe he is thinking the same thing as I'm thinking and is implying this only for obscure shitcoins.
Title: Re: Love Letter From Tom & Patrick to Gary: Let Americans Have Their Crypto Airdrops
Post by: ABCbits on September 20, 2024, 12:47:58 PM
I define an airdrop to be when somebody gives you free coins for doing a task, so how the hell does Uncle Gary see it as a security?

Maybe he is thinking the same thing as I'm thinking and is implying this only for obscure shitcoins.

That's possible, since some project avoid paying expert who can do proper testing/review by conducting airdrop where they expect people to perform test/review for token that could be worthless. But don't forget SEC classify token as securities, where the sell/distribution is monitored more closely.
Title: Re: Love Letter From Tom & Patrick to Gary: Let Americans Have Their Crypto Airdrops
Post by: Lucius on September 20, 2024, 03:43:27 PM
~snip~
If Gensler leaves the SEC and we have another crypto-friendly SEC member, things will change for the better for crypto, especially when we will also have a clear legal framework for this market soon. Then, not only airdrops, investors will have the right to participate in most activities in the crypto market for profit or entertainment ^^


They say that you should be careful what you wish for, because it might come true. I want to say that it should never be ruled out that after GG someone may come who will have even worse attitudes towards cryptocurrencies, regardless of who becomes the new president.

Investors, of course, have the right to invest their money in whatever they want, but those same investors should then accept the risks arising from such risky investments - which means that in case they lose their money in any way, they should not point the finger at anyone else but themselves.

What I want to say is that everyone wants to have absolute freedom to do whatever they want, but when things go wrong, the state institutions are to blame for not protecting them better. Unfortunately, protection in this case comes from strict regulation, whether someone likes it or not.
Title: Re: Love Letter From Tom & Patrick to Gary: Let Americans Have Their Crypto Airdrops
Post by: robelneo on September 21, 2024, 07:02:41 PM
While not all airdrops are worth it, all people should be free to receive anything especially for free or under some conditions which mostly don't cost money. As one who is involved with cryptocurrency, I can a little bit lucky that am not based in USA and I am not under the power of that man named Gary Gensler, an enemy of this industry.

This is something that they should understand. they promote equality in their country but there is no equality that they are giving to their citizens when it comes to airdrop, there are so many wasted opportunity by US citizen because of this regulation.

This is one of the advantages of us living in a third country over first world country like the United States, its citizens can look and hear the news on how some of these airdrops developed into something great in the community.
Title: Re: Love Letter From Tom & Patrick to Gary: Let Americans Have Their Crypto Airdrops
Post by: Rubel007 on September 22, 2024, 05:43:50 AM
Gary Gensler is a curse to American citizens. Without his removal, Americans cannot be free. And for this there is no alternative to electing Trump as the American next president President. Gary Gensler will not support crypto but he is trying to take away the rights of the common people by making new laws. Not allowing participation in airdrops or interfering with them would mean denying American citizen liberties.
Title: Re: Love Letter From Tom & Patrick to Gary: Let Americans Have Their Crypto Airdrops
Post by: bitterguy28 on September 22, 2024, 06:16:30 AM
I also wonder sometimes why would they ban USA especially there might be some other reason behind the disobeying of SEC's law.
in the article it just says that it’s because of the lack of framework basically the rules are unclear and many Americans probably are trying not to get into trouble by doing something they’re not sure whether is allowed or not

in this case sec really should smooth out things about crypto so that everyone can follow what is written on paper and not walk on eggshells
Title: Re: Love Letter From Tom & Patrick to Gary: Let Americans Have Their Crypto Airdrops
Post by: yhiaali3 on September 22, 2024, 06:42:50 AM
Well that's good for us, since the US government doesn't allow US citizens to get free coins from airdrops, well we'll take our share of airdrops double. ;)

All the weird stuff happens in Uncle Sam's country, I don't know what's the justification for preventing people from getting free coins, I don't really understand them, we understand that they want to protect people from getting scammed and losing their money but what's wrong with getting free money?

Even if the airdrops are scams you won't lose your money because participating is free, so what's the legal justification for the ban?
Title: Re: Love Letter From Tom & Patrick to Gary: Let Americans Have Their Crypto Airdrops
Post by: ABCbits on September 22, 2024, 11:10:43 AM
Even if the airdrops are scams you won't lose your money because participating is free, so what's the legal justification for the ban?

I disagree with SEC action towards airdrop. But as i stated above, some airdrop makes you do certain task which takes some time. So while you don't lose money, you lose your time. There's also risk of your email address or other personal data sold by them.
Title: Re: Love Letter From Tom & Patrick to Gary: Let Americans Have Their Crypto Airdrops
Post by: Ujok on September 22, 2024, 11:12:47 AM
I am not really aware that American citizens are having a hard time and many maybe chose not to participate in airdrops because of the possibility of violating the security laws of the country. And because of this SEC should clarify this issues once and for all and must openly defend its position under the light of the day and not hide under its " regulation by enforcement" mentality. While not all airdrops are worth it, all people should be free to receive anything especially for free or under some conditions which mostly don't cost money. As one who is involved with cryptocurrency, I can a little bit lucky that am not based in USA and I am not under the power of that man named Gary Gensler, an enemy of this industry.
They are not having a hard time as I think you don't join airdrops mostly but I have been very active in joining airdrops and joined more than 200+ airdrops till Jan I know the numbers are low as there are more airdrops in the market but after April I kinda did not update my spreadsheet. Well, the thing is most of the airdrops don't allow US citizens to join their airdrops, it's not only with the USA there are other countries that are also on the ban list.

I also wonder sometimes why would they ban USA especially there might be some other reason behind the disobeying of SEC's law. They have also mentioned that previously SEC sued Justin Sun for airdropping money to people the founder is the one who got accused and has to face the problems so most of the projects even those based in the USA don't allow their citizens to claim airdrops or participate in airdrops. However, there are other ways to join airdrops for US citizens if they really want to.
I think airdrop plays an important role in attracting everyone's attention so that many people will look at the company. My thoughts are the same as yours, they don't have any trouble with airdrops but they don't use airdrops and they don't participate in airdrops. Airdrops can be said to be a company strategy to be known to everyone and this is widely done by crypto projects.
Title: Re: Love Letter From Tom & Patrick to Gary: Let Americans Have Their Crypto Airdrops
Post by: target on September 22, 2024, 04:04:45 PM
I am not really aware that American citizens are having a hard time and many maybe chose not to participate in airdrops because of the possibility of violating the security laws of the country. And because of this SEC should clarify this issues once and for all and must openly defend its position under the light of the day and not hide under its " regulation by enforcement" mentality. While not all airdrops are worth it, all people should be free to receive anything especially for free or under some conditions which mostly don't cost money. As one who is involved with cryptocurrency, I can a little bit lucky that am not based in USA and I am not under the power of that man named Gary Gensler, an enemy of this industry.
They are not having a hard time as I think you don't join airdrops mostly but I have been very active in joining airdrops and joined more than 200+ airdrops till Jan I know the numbers are low as there are more airdrops in the market but after April I kinda did not update my spreadsheet. Well, the thing is most of the airdrops don't allow US citizens to join their airdrops, it's not only with the USA there are other countries that are also on the ban list.

I also wonder sometimes why would they ban USA especially there might be some other reason behind the disobeying of SEC's law. They have also mentioned that previously SEC sued Justin Sun for airdropping money to people the founder is the one who got accused and has to face the problems so most of the projects even those based in the USA don't allow their citizens to claim airdrops or participate in airdrops. However, there are other ways to join airdrops for US citizens if they really want to.
I think airdrop plays an important role in attracting everyone's attention so that many people will look at the company. My thoughts are the same as yours, they don't have any trouble with airdrops but they don't use airdrops and they don't participate in airdrops. Airdrops can be said to be a company strategy to be known to everyone and this is widely done by crypto projects.

Seem to be the case if a company wants to be popular in a short period of time. There have been many of them doing this and then after a year they also migrate their token to another platform and them holders has to migrate the tokens with a ratio of 1000: x of tokens which makes it really bogus in the end, AAVE I believe did this.

Anyways, nothing stops a US citizen from participating airdrops. Unless the project asks for KYC and prohibits people from US.

Title: Re: Love Letter From Tom & Patrick to Gary: Let Americans Have Their Crypto Airdrops
Post by: Faisal2202 on September 24, 2024, 04:27:03 PM
in the article it just says that it’s because of the lack of framework basically the rules are unclear and many Americans probably are trying not to get into trouble by doing something they’re not sure whether is allowed or not

in this case sec really should smooth out things about crypto so that everyone can follow what is written on paper and not walk on eggshells
That's what it really said and as well as I said.  They don't know if they are complying with the rules or not or why there is confusion here and in order to save themselves from this confusion they just do not allow US citizens to participate and those who allowed them are now facing charges and which is a lesson for newcomers to take.

I agree with you things should be made smooth thus people could really know if they are complying or not and there must be some kind of financial advice system from the SEC if there is none. From where people could discuss about some project's legal framework and get good advice.
Title: Re: Love Letter From Tom & Patrick to Gary: Let Americans Have Their Crypto Airdrops
Post by: Faisal2202 on September 28, 2024, 08:40:19 AM
I think airdrop plays an important role in attracting everyone's attention so that many people will look at the company. My thoughts are the same as yours, they don't have any trouble with airdrops but they don't use airdrops and they don't participate in airdrops. Airdrops can be said to be a company strategy to be known to everyone and this is widely done by crypto projects.
I can't agree more with as airdrops are a good strategy for companies to get some real attraction and organic traffic in the most profitable and beneficial way but the companies trying to use airdrops to rug pull investors and scam people money are doing bad and giving it a bad image but I think ups and downs like these are also a good thing for the market.

They don't join these airdrops to save themselves but they can join them by changing their locations using VPNS or VPS but using paid ones is expensive and what if the airdrops you are farming did not give you any reward then you will lose the money you paid on VPS or VPNs
Title: Re: Love Letter From Tom & Patrick to Gary: Let Americans Have Their Crypto Airdrops
Post by: ZAINmalik75 on October 26, 2024, 05:43:50 PM
I can't agree more with as airdrops are a good strategy for companies to get some real attraction and organic traffic in the most profitable and beneficial way but the companies trying to use airdrops to rug pull investors and scam people money are doing bad and giving it a bad image but I think ups and downs like these are also a good thing for the market.

They don't join these airdrops to save themselves but they can join them by changing their locations using VPNS or VPS but using paid ones is expensive and what if the airdrops you are farming did not give you any reward then you will lose the money you paid on VPS or VPNs
I agree with your statements the risk in joining airdrops by ignoring the restrictions from the governments can lead to great loss like the cost can be wasted to buy VPS and there are paid airdrops which require money to join them and to spend transaction fee to make on chain activity for example Linea has deducted huge transactions fee for its first campaign.

A doubt in the mind that either they will be selected by the airdrop organizers can demotivate them even if they can use VPN to overcome the problem.
Title: Re: Love Letter From Tom & Patrick to Gary: Let Americans Have Their Crypto Airdrops
Post by: Faisal2202 on November 02, 2024, 05:18:21 PM
Seem to be the case if a company wants to be popular in a short period of time. There have been many of them doing this and then after a year they also migrate their token to another platform and them holders has to migrate the tokens with a ratio of 1000: x of tokens which makes it really bogus in the end, AAVE I believe did this.

Anyways, nothing stops a US citizen from participating airdrops. Unless the project asks for KYC and prohibits people from US.
I agree that KYC is a thing but I have seen projects even blocking our region and when I open them they detect my IP and block me from accessing the site so I just turn the VPN on and can easily access the site so the next problem is of KYC if they ask to do it. But most of the airdrops don't really ask for KYC.

There are plenty of projects which had done such things that AAVE did I mean these projects get investors and they and the investors both make money and then they leave the project and work on another this way they are making plenty of money they don't want to start a project for long term AFAIK if they will then the holders of their tokens won't sell their tokens as soon as the listing happens.
Title: Re: Love Letter From Tom & Patrick to Gary: Let Americans Have Their Crypto Airdrops
Post by: Bobcrypto on February 08, 2025, 09:43:30 AM
Even if the airdrops are scams you won't lose your money because participating is free, so what's the legal justification for the ban?

I disagree with SEC action towards airdrop. But as i stated above, some airdrop makes you do certain task which takes some time. So while you don't lose money, you lose your time. There's also risk of your email address or other personal data sold by them.

Well airdrops typically has some task to accomplish to get rewarded, airdrops without tasks are not common on the crypto space, i hardly noticed any airdrops campaign without carrying out certain tasks.
Again, air drops campaign that requires KYC is unnecessary and SEC should know that airdrops are free rewards for doing very little tasks like just retweeting a posts on Twitter and other social networks out there.
Title: Re: Love Letter From Tom & Patrick to Gary: Let Americans Have Their Crypto Airdrops
Post by: bitterguy28 on February 09, 2025, 11:46:33 AM
Well airdrops typically has some task to accomplish to get rewarded, airdrops without tasks are not common on the crypto space, i hardly noticed any airdrops campaign without carrying out certain tasks.
it used to be common when the community is not as big before as it is now and there are too many competitors wanting to get free tokens
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Again, air drops campaign that requires KYC is unnecessary and SEC should know that airdrops are free rewards for doing very little tasks like just retweeting a posts on Twitter and other social networks out there.
i do not see a lot of airdrops that require for kyc maybe because even they know that not a lot of people would be so willing to give their data to a project they are not even sure if will bear any fruit