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Wider Crypto World => Gambling & Crypto Casinos => Gambling discussion => Topic started by: bitterguy28 on October 11, 2024, 04:23:15 AM
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china (https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/10/sport/china-soccer-match-fixing-intl-hnk/index.html#:~:text=CNN%20%E2%80%94%20The%20Chinese%20Football%20Association%20has%20banned,corruption%20in%20one%20of%20China%E2%80%99s%20most%20popular%20sports.) has banned a total of 43 sport officials and players for involving themselves with match fixings and bribery
41 clubs were involved and 120 matches were fixed this made me rethink my view on the possibility of some of international matched being fixed and the winner being decided even before the game starts this news may question china's credibility of producing not only talented but righteous players and teams
do you think a lifetime ban is appropriate or is it too severe?
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Lifetime ban seem cruel already all for bribing. But this is for their Panda league so it's their rules and it's their business. But looks like they are fair in cracking down since even the Chinese players are among those banned.
In most olympic games, Chinese players are often the ones who gets gold but I'm not sure if they are good in soccer.
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But this is for their Panda league so it's their rules and it's their business.
Their Panda what? ;D
do you think a lifetime ban is appropriate or is it too severe?
You missed the part about prison sentences for some cases:
In August, a former vice president of the national football association was sentenced to 11 years in prison for accepting bribes, and a former director of the competition department was sentenced to seven years imprisonment for the same offense.
Fairly appropriate, it should make people think twenty times not twice before fixing a match, no matter how unimportant that is!
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Certainly before the punishment was determined, they had been investigated in depth how serious their violations were because they had arranged the match to bribery. I think this is a fair punishment according to what applies there.
Things like this are things that really hurt football, this is also actually an enemy for football lovers, because the match that should have run normally had to change and even the results were already known before the match took place.
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china (https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/10/sport/china-soccer-match-fixing-intl-hnk/index.html#:~:text=CNN%20%E2%80%94%20The%20Chinese%20Football%20Association%20has%20banned,corruption%20in%20one%20of%20China%E2%80%99s%20most%20popular%20sports.) has banned a total of 43 sport officials and players for involving themselves with match fixings and bribery
41 clubs were involved and 120 matches were fixed this made me rethink my view on the possibility of some of international matched being fixed and the winner being decided even before the game starts this news may question china's credibility of producing not only talented but righteous players and teams
do you think a lifetime ban is appropriate or is it too severe?
A lifetime ban is appropriate. There are laws against match fixing, and any player or official found guilty should face the consequences. Match fixing has an impact on the sport's integrity because the outcomes are no longer a true reflection of team strength, and gamblers are always affected in the long run. This explains why gamblers continue to lose despite their efforts to research and make predictions.
This decision to impose a lifetime ban will deter other corrupt officials and players from engaging in match fixing, thereby helping to restore the sport's integrity in China. Without severe sanctions, it will be difficult to deter officials and players from engaging in match fixing. Humans can be kept under control to a large extent when there are severe penalties for wrongdoing.
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do you think a lifetime ban is appropriate or is it too severe?
China has serious laws against bribery, many people have been sentenced to death for bribery, these officials are lucky to just be getting away with a lifetime ban.
Punishments like this will often serve as warning to other officials who may want to consider following the same path.
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It is clear that match-fixing is strictly prohibited and if some players are caught being bribed then a lifetime ban is still appropriate for him.
China usually has strict rules against bribery, even corruption is punishable by death there that I know of so from this especially with many incidents where many players are involved including officials in match-fixing then this is bad for Chinese football.
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do you think a lifetime ban is appropriate---?
Just about right. Game officials and players have no business in any professional sports if they bet for or against their games. It's either they play or just become an audience that gambles. It's true that they may change and work straight but for the integrity of the sport, it's better not to allow them back. You can no longer trust their judgement.
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In most olympic games, Chinese players are often the ones who gets gold but I'm not sure if they are good in soccer.
it seems like they aren’t
it is one of the most popular sports in their country but i have seen many people discussing how bad china is at soccer and the sport has become almost like a cash grab at this point it is disappointing because these athletes are supposed to represent and uplift their country but the whole bribery scandal has tainted the image of the sport in their country even further
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Life time ban was very very appropriate alot of people most have placed bets on that game and lost but they made alot of profits because they already knew the outcome of the game
It's unfair to the spectators
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do you think a lifetime ban is appropriate or is it too severe?
Game fixing is what ruins any sport, so sports organizations are imposing lifetime ban to coaches and players and I agree with that, When you are part of a sports organizations, the organization expects you to play at high level because you are building the sport, and the fans and the community trust that you give all you've got for their entertainment, I call this a betrayal of trust fromgame fixers.
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do you think a lifetime ban is appropriate or is it too severe?
If such discipline is not taking into action they would be a possibility to repeat that again in the future, so lifetime ban serves them better to also put fear on the upcoming coming clubs and at least they have sat a records for the newer and already existing clubs not to compromised in any of their activity.
If any other nation can emulate what China has done, then it would be fine and it also discourage more people from trying that nonsense happening around the sports industry generally.
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china (https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/10/sport/china-soccer-match-fixing-intl-hnk/index.html#:~:text=CNN%20%E2%80%94%20The%20Chinese%20Football%20Association%20has%20banned,corruption%20in%20one%20of%20China%E2%80%99s%20most%20popular%20sports.) has banned a total of 43 sport officials and players for involving themselves with match fixings and bribery
41 clubs were involved and 120 matches were fixed this made me rethink my view on the possibility of some of international matched being fixed and the winner being decided even before the game starts this news may question china's credibility of producing not only talented but righteous players and teams
do you think a lifetime ban is appropriate or is it too severe?
I think banning them for atleast a year is enough but lifetime I don't know depends on the severity of their violations. For me if I had the chance to give penalty I think 1-3 years will make them regret and do the right thing next time. Sometimes I am also wondering if these kinds of violations are more of a syndicate because I can also feel it in international sport competition especially combat sports.
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41 clubs were involved and 120 matches were fixed this made me rethink my view on the possibility of some of international matched being fixed and the winner being decided even before the game starts this news may question china's credibility of producing not only talented but righteous players and teams
Credible players based on reputation or players that would deliver their teams to winnings?
I think those players were actually worth to be dismissed from the football because one man interest should not supercede the glory of a whole nation because if they actually played rightful probably to the victory of their teams then the crown as a team would always be golden than the peanut taken as individual bribery.
So if such dismissal penalty is implied for such players involved in fixed matches the honest truth is that others approaching to that betrayal move would repatriate.
There should not be cheating in the game or football especially when you are being invested on the potential of retuning victory to your teams.
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do you think a lifetime ban is appropriate or is it too severe?
Yes, especially if they make themselves lose or play poorly on purpose. In addition, some organization or government outside china also give similar punishment. Although i would say it's too severe if there's proof that some player or official got coerced to participate in such action.
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Life ban is a minimum what they should get imo. Because that is a punishment for their action, but that does not include money that bettors have lost. Some might get broke or end their life because of money lost due to that. And only banning them does not seems to be a fair punishment. What I would do is to force they a financial fine also. Calculate all lost bets, divide among banned players. That would be fair.
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What I would do is to force they a financial fine also. Calculate all lost bets, divide among banned players. That would be fair.
that seems fair
but i guess it would be too much to calculate all money lost and the profit these officials and players have gained from match fixings and bribery as for sure there has been many and it would just not be accurate to count them all but i guess if they just set up a specific fine for everyone involved to pay then that would be justified
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How about death sentence,huh? ::)
Match fixing is unethical but in most cases things were inconclusive so the player might be banned for wrong reasons or simply due to the internal politics inside the game so let's just say 5 year ban is enough cause that gives fair chance if they want to turn it out from their mistake.
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Life ban is a minimum what they should get imo. Because that is a punishment for their action, but that does not include money that bettors have lost. Some might get broke or end their life because of money lost due to that. And only banning them does not seems to be a fair punishment. What I would do is to force they a financial fine also. Calculate all lost bets, divide among banned players. That would be fair.
You know some people gamble don't just start in early stage of their careers, they start along the line so I don't think it's fair to permanently ban players because they gamble but suspension is okay in my opinion. Some are influence by the environment they live and others and some are even financial because some of them go broke but this isn't to justify gambling but permaban is too big for them.
It's better if players are also review of their gambling ways before they are signed in the contract, imagine been threatened on your contract that when you are found gambling, you wouldn't be pay on your arrears and even when your ban is uplifted, you will play season without any pay. They will not try gambling in their life again.
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do you think a lifetime ban is appropriate or is it too severe?
Game fixing is what ruins any sport, so sports organizations are imposing lifetime ban to coaches and players and I agree with that, When you are part of a sports organizations, the organization expects you to play at high level because you are building the sport, and the fans and the community trust that you give all you've got for their entertainment, I call this a betrayal of trust fromgame fixers.
Yep game fixing ruins the integrity of sports the fans expect to have a fair and competitive match but it is destroyed because of game fixing. lifetime ban is a bit too much but they will deserve it if they still don't learn their lesson the punishment is justified to maintain the trust and fairness that are so important in sports.
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To me a life time band is appropriate as fixing of matches is a bad thing and is against the spirit of sports, if it's allowed to continue then sports general will lost its glory and allot of sports followers will lost interest as matches are predetermined and decided before they start. Anyone involved in sports betting should be given a lifetime band from all sporting activities as it will send a message to other who have interest to fix sporting events. One of the worst things that has happened to sports is fixing of sporting activities as the best in sporting men and women are not brought out .
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It's better if players are also review of their gambling ways before they are signed in the contract, imagine been threatened on your contract that when you are found gambling, you wouldn't be pay on your arrears and even when your ban is uplifted, you will play season without any pay. They will not try gambling in their life again.
pretty sure some athletes do have that in their contracts i actually have heard that some of them are prohibited by doing other extreme sports in fear of getting injured and not being able to play
i also have seen that if they miss specific amount of matches or games, their contract could be terminated so it is not that far to think that they might include in the contract that no gambling should be allowed lest they want to be fined or penalized or worse get fired
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china (https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/10/sport/china-soccer-match-fixing-intl-hnk/index.html#:~:text=CNN%20%E2%80%94%20The%20Chinese%20Football%20Association%20has%20banned,corruption%20in%20one%20of%20China%E2%80%99s%20most%20popular%20sports.) has banned a total of 43 sport officials and players for involving themselves with match fixings and bribery
41 clubs were involved and 120 matches were fixed this made me rethink my view on the possibility of some of international matched being fixed and the winner being decided even before the game starts this news may question china's credibility of producing not only talented but righteous players and teams
do you think a lifetime ban is appropriate or is it too severe?
The lifetime ban is justified. When punishment is not severe, people are not afraid of being punished because the punishment is insignificant to them. However, when punishment is severe, it can deter people from doing things that will result in punishment because no one wants to be punished severely.
The beauty of any sport lies in the healthy competition it provides. So, when players or officials compromise the sport by engaging in match fixing, the competition is no longer healthy because the results will be misleading and fraudulent. So, in my opinion, a lifetime ban is a suitable punishment.
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If it is because of bribery, I think a lifetime ban is not a problem because it makes the game unfair and causes losses for both parties, and this regulation should apply in every country and sport that allows gambling in order to create a fair and sporting game.
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do you think a lifetime ban is appropriate or is it too severe?
A lifetime ban is just appropriate for them because it destroys the competition around the league.
I remember when this also happened with their basketball league. They banned both teams IIRC, and they also banned the referees. Can't remember the whole story, but it also happened.
I don't see anything severe with a lifetime ban because at the end of the day, they deserve it. Imagine how many games these people fixed throughout the years. There's also a bribery incident on this one which makes it even worse. We know that things like this can't be eradicated in the world of sports, but at least not make it too obvious into the public. Banning them for life might be enough for other to think whenever they want to do match fixing.
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do you think a lifetime ban is appropriate or is it too severe?
I knew about the match fixing before and also know some player name who are also get penalty for match fixing but It is really unimaginable that 41clubs are connected with the match fixing and they did in 120 matches. 120 matches can you imagine it can be whole two season. Anyway in my personal opinion, I think life time ban is the appropriate decision these shouldn't be believe second time and this will be also session for those who have the chances to doing these match fixing.
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Lifetime ban seem cruel already all for bribing. But this is for their Panda league so it's their rules and it's their business. But looks like they are fair in cracking down since even the Chinese players are among those banned.
In most olympic games, Chinese players are often the ones who gets gold but I'm not sure if they are good in soccer.
The is good and is fair enough if china wants to save their the integrity of their local league and sport as this will send a strong message to the rest of the players that are planning of engaging in match fixing because match fixing is a very big crime to football and sport generally because when the outcome of a match or sporting event is predetermined it will kill the authenticity of the sports and make it less attractive to sports enthusiasts to follow and it can impact negatively on sports generally as it can even affect the revenue base of sports so life time band on official and player's who gamble and fix sporting events is a right call in the right direction
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How about death sentence,huh? ::)
Match fixing is unethical but in most cases things were inconclusive so the player might be banned for wrong reasons or simply due to the internal politics inside the game so let's just say 5 year ban is enough cause that gives fair chance if they want to turn it out from their mistake.
Do you have a source that points out that most cases are inconclusive or you're just making that assumption? I would argue that there are probably more players and officials that were involved in match fixing than those found out and charged/banned.
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do you think a lifetime ban is appropriate or is it too severe?
For me the lifetime ban is appropriate since they committed a severe violation. If they continue to organize events or play in an event how can we be sure that the match they organized is not fixed so it's better for them to be remove so gamblers will have the confidence that they are not betting a fixed match, just my thought.
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Lifetime ban seem cruel already all for bribing.
Life ban on match fixing is not cruel and is the way to go in sports if actually we want the integrity of sports general because if the authorities don't take serious measure s to mitigate and cut down on the excess of both players and official on and off the pitch sports sporting events will loss that excitement and value that it offers so this move is the right move in the right direction for the Chinese league and is the right way to go about it and fifa and other world sporting bodies should take a leave from this and implement it by baning offender's with a life time band
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Lifetime ban seem cruel already all for bribing.
Life ban on match fixing is not cruel and is the way to go in sports if actually we want the integrity of sports general because if the authorities don't take serious measure s to mitigate and cut down on the excess of both players and official on and off the pitch sports sporting events will loss that excitement and value that it offers so this move is the right move in the right direction for the Chinese league and is the right way to go about it and fifa and other world sporting bodies should take a leave from this and implement it by baning offender's with a life time band
When the penalty is not severe, people will not be afraid to default. As you mentioned, a life ban is the only penalty that can preserve sports integrity. How would it sound to the football community if a player, coach, or other sports official is discovered to be involved in a match fixing and is given a light punishment? Many football officials will begin to see match fixing as a very lucrative and safe business on the grounds that even if they are caught, the consequences are not harsh.