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Title: Tesla Optimus Robots
Post by: pawel7777 on October 11, 2024, 11:13:15 PM
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/10/11/8AgwT.png)

What are your thoughts on Tesla robots (or other similar) and what would be the impact on society? Is it going to be just an expensive toy? A helpful assistant making life easier? Are those a threat to certain types of human jobs?
Are you looking forward to seeing those being widely used?

Video from the conference:
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An older video on what those robots should be capable of:


Some press coverage:
https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/10/24267225/tesla-robotaxi-optimus-we-robot
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/weird-news/elon-musks-new-tesla-robot-33873350
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-tesla-optimus-humanoid-robots-robotaxi-day-2024-10
Title: Re: Tesla Optimus Robots
Post by: D F on October 12, 2024, 11:26:03 AM
For me it will be missing the human part - the warm part. I believe that nowadays we are becoming more independent as an individual, not relying on any community resulting in more loneliness and the robots will only increase that factor. I believe that robots are a must yes for some jobs, however, they should not be intended to replace people.
Title: Re: Tesla Optimus Robots
Post by: Hatchy on October 12, 2024, 12:13:47 PM
On hearing about this new technology created by Tesla, lol it made me remember some robo movies I've watched where robots all turned red and decided to take the over humanity. Lol yea we used to see more of them in movies performing actions and acting like a threat, I just hope that's not where we are heading to. Well, we can't actually tell for now if these robots will be a threat to man, our jobs and life's until we've seen them as time goes on.

 I just hope man will not become too lazy and let them actually take over every task. The features that let them learn on their own is cool though but kinda scary to me. As if a robot can learn to cook and clean just by watching a video on YouTube, what gen stops it from learning to hold a gun and using it from watching same video.

Yes the world is advancing we are happy with these onetime fantasy coming to life and the good things they can do for us. But we should also look on the bad side, if they will serve as a threat to humanity.


 
Title: Re: Tesla Optimus Robots
Post by: pawel7777 on October 12, 2024, 01:13:54 PM
In terms of automation, I think they're mostly useless for big enterprises that would use dedicated machines/software made for a specific purpose and therefore much more efficient than humanoid robots, but with such robots (provided their speed could be improved and they can indeed properly learn new things) even a small, family businesses could automate their processes and replace some (if not most) of human labour. The annual cost of a human worker earning minimum wage will be far higher than the robot, whose expected life will probably be at least 10 years. It might not be this generation of robots, but we know this will be possible eventually.

For me it will be missing the human part - the warm part. I believe that nowadays we are becoming more independent as an individual, not relying on any community resulting in more loneliness and the robots will only increase that factor. I believe that robots are a must yes for some jobs, however, they should not be intended to replace people.

That's a tricky one, because, on one hand, they will almost definitely increase social isolation (i.e. contact with other people), but they could provide comfort to lonely people who will now have someone to conversate with etc.
Moreover, they've done some research that shows that AI can appear more empathetic to the people it interacts with, than other people. Of course, it's just a piece of code that doesn't truly care about you, but it can create the feeling that it does.

I just hope man will not become too lazy and let them actually take over every task. (...)

That's kind of what they're designed for, but yeah, I think many people will just get fed up with over-automation and will start moving towards using their own hands instead.
Title: Re: Tesla Optimus Robots
Post by: Findingnemo on October 12, 2024, 02:03:13 PM
Even if it's not from Tesla there's already lot of companies are working on bringing humanoid robots probably before 2035 for the public usage and that would definitely replace labour jobs particularly at homes like maid, cleaning services, chef so yeah that this is real for sure whether we like it or not.

People will adopt to the changes as well cause that's what we do actually in the evolution cycle and this is gonna be another step of machine involving in the human cycle.
Title: Re: Tesla Optimus Robots
Post by: pawel7777 on October 12, 2024, 05:42:00 PM
Even if it's not from Tesla there's already lot of companies are working on bringing humanoid robots probably before 2035 for the public usage and that would definitely replace labour jobs particularly at homes like maid, cleaning services, chef so yeah that this is real for sure whether we like it or not.
At this point, it's almost guaranteed that whatever the final version of the Tesla's on is going to be, the Chinese will create a better (at least on paper) and cheaper version eventually.

People will adopt to the changes as well cause that's what we do actually in the evolution cycle and this is gonna be another step of machine involving in the human cycle.
Yeah, but the world after that adaptation could not necessarily be the world that we want to see. Not every change is good.
Title: Re: Tesla Optimus Robots
Post by: electronicash on October 12, 2024, 08:42:32 PM

8 years ago i think they already see whats coming i thought Chappie will just something we are dreaming as a kid.



but if it comes from Tesla, i'm not sure how things will go although i wanted someone who can help me in the house i would have this think it over if my kid will have one. this is very expensive as well.  i'd probably wait for the Chinese version.

maybe when i get old like 70, i need one who would wipe my ass.  ;D
Title: Re: Tesla Optimus Robots
Post by: 0t3p0t on October 13, 2024, 10:24:08 PM

8 years ago i think they already see whats coming i thought Chappie will just something we are dreaming as a kid.



but if it comes from Tesla, i'm not sure how things will go although i wanted someone who can help me in the house i would have this think it over if my kid will have one. this is very expensive as well.  i'd probably wait for the Chinese version.

maybe when i get old like 70, i need one who would wipe my ass.  ;D
Not unless these companies are not weaponizing these robots because I can see what movies could bring if they really are in the race of that purpose. Since I see Chinese already doing that with their robot dog. But if this is for the good of humans where it was made for our convenience and company then there is no problem about that.
Title: Re: Tesla Optimus Robots
Post by: electronicash on October 13, 2024, 10:37:42 PM

8 years ago i think they already see whats coming i thought Chappie will just something we are dreaming as a kid.



but if it comes from Tesla, i'm not sure how things will go although i wanted someone who can help me in the house i would have this think it over if my kid will have one. this is very expensive as well.  i'd probably wait for the Chinese version.

maybe when i get old like 70, i need one who would wipe my ass.  ;D
Not unless these companies are not weaponizing these robots because I can see what movies could bring if they really are in the race of that purpose. Since I see Chinese already doing that with their robot dog. But if this is for the good of humans where it was made for our convenience and company then there is no problem about that.

it didn't start in China afaik. there are lots of MIT videos with their robots carrying military stuff and it was back in 2006. these are the kind of stuff to be developed and i think they are just waiting for  which army is going to utilize it the first and then it will be a fullblown bot wars.  ;D but there must have been a treaty made regarding the use of robots in warfare so i'm not sure about info.

Until no one yet has info and tweaks about the configuration and the firmware of the robot, it will be hard to trust this. this robots listens and communicate to the skynet.  ;D it maybe washing the dishes and mopping the floor but its taking your data like Xi JinPings Hwawei phones  ;D

Title: Re: Tesla Optimus Robots
Post by: SamReomo on October 13, 2024, 11:49:26 PM
Those robots are somewhat awesome but they come with pretty high price tag and that's alone enough for me to not buy it. However, if in future those robots become cheaper and also more optimized plus efficient then surely I'll think about purchasing one only for household tasks like cooking, washing the cookware and plates, etc. I guess it could be a good cook at least for me but only if it's value drops to $4000 to $5000, not $20k.
Title: Re: Tesla Optimus Robots
Post by: dkbit98 on October 14, 2024, 10:16:42 PM
What are your thoughts on Tesla robots (or other similar) and what would be the impact on society? Is it going to be just an expensive toy? A helpful assistant making life easier? Are those a threat to certain types of human jobs?
Are you looking forward to seeing those being widely used?
Musk saying this robots are going to cheaper than buying a car soon  :P
Do you remember all those sci-fi movies with robots as villains and robots replacing humans as workers?
It is all going this direction and if people don't start complaining now it is going to be to late in near future.
Pre-programming is done with movies and some people are openly saying they need drastic population reduction... must be just a coincidence.
Title: Re: Tesla Optimus Robots
Post by: bitterguy28 on October 15, 2024, 08:45:22 AM
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What are your thoughts on Tesla robots (or other similar) and what would be the impact on society? Is it going to be just an expensive toy? A helpful assistant making life easier? Are those a threat to certain types of human jobs?
Are you looking forward to seeing those being widely used?
you said it so yourself it is akin to expensive toys which only a small percentage of people can afford so i do not think it will be soon adopted everywhere so i do not think it will be a threat to humans’ jobs just yet not everyone will be able to afford this so it is very unlikely that you’ll see this everywhere and cause actual impact on to the society

this however serves a large step towards innovation and development and can serve as a learning curve for future robots or something similar
Title: Re: Tesla Optimus Robots
Post by: bisdak40 on October 15, 2024, 03:17:13 PM
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/10/11/8AgwT.png)

What are your thoughts on Tesla robots (or other similar) and what would be the impact on society? Is it going to be just an expensive toy? A helpful assistant making life easier? Are those a threat to certain types of human jobs?
Are you looking forward to seeing those being widely used?
you said it so yourself it is akin to expensive toys which only a small percentage of people can afford so i do not think it will be soon adopted everywhere so i do not think it will be a threat to humans’ jobs just yet not everyone will be able to afford this so it is very unlikely that you’ll see this everywhere and cause actual impact on to the society

this however serves a large step towards innovation and development and can serve as a learning curve for future robots or something similar
I agree that this is a huge step towards innovation It is like sci-fi movies like that movie Will Smith titled "I Am Robot" For now it will not be adopted because it is still developing and the cost is high but for some time there will be a possibility that robots will now be used such as for home making, etc like basic stuff. there are indeed threats to human jobs especially as it said that it can now do repetitive task or dangerous once but it will never replace a human being.
Title: Re: Tesla Optimus Robots
Post by: electronicash on October 15, 2024, 08:37:22 PM
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/10/11/8AgwT.png)

What are your thoughts on Tesla robots (or other similar) and what would be the impact on society? Is it going to be just an expensive toy? A helpful assistant making life easier? Are those a threat to certain types of human jobs?
Are you looking forward to seeing those being widely used?
you said it so yourself it is akin to expensive toys which only a small percentage of people can afford so i do not think it will be soon adopted everywhere so i do not think it will be a threat to humans’ jobs just yet not everyone will be able to afford this so it is very unlikely that you’ll see this everywhere and cause actual impact on to the society

this however serves a large step towards innovation and development and can serve as a learning curve for future robots or something similar
I agree that this is a huge step towards innovation It is like sci-fi movies like that movie Will Smith titled "I Am Robot" For now it will not be adopted because it is still developing and the cost is high but for some time there will be a possibility that robots will now be used such as for home making, etc like basic stuff. there are indeed threats to human jobs especially as it said that it can now do repetitive task or dangerous once but it will never replace a human being.

for now its not that needed by someone in their life. this is what people felt as well before the smart phones but now it seem like people can't live a single day without browsing using their phones.

this robot is yet not needed but after a year or two of it at home, the kids will rely on it to light up the whole house and mow the lawn.
but if Tesla robots cater those single men and this robot is shaped to a beautiful woman and can serve on bed, tell you those men will leave their wives and prefer thr robot  ;D

Title: Re: Tesla Optimus Robots
Post by: pawel7777 on October 15, 2024, 10:42:37 PM
I agree that this is a huge step towards innovation It is like sci-fi movies like that movie Will Smith titled "I Am Robot" For now it will not be adopted because it is still developing and the cost is high but for some time there will be a possibility that robots will now be used such as for home making, etc like basic stuff. there are indeed threats to human jobs especially as it said that it can now do repetitive task or dangerous once but it will never replace a human being.

I might never replace a human being but, eventually, it will be capable of replacing pretty much any human work. Not necessarily humanoid robots, but automation and AI in general. It's just a question of when not if.
Title: Re: Tesla Optimus Robots
Post by: Rruchi man on October 18, 2024, 07:38:38 PM
What are your thoughts on Tesla robots (or other similar) and what would be the impact on society?
The future is here, and all those things that we've seen in movies where robots are entirely taking over jobs that could be handled by humans have come. My only concern, however, is that I hope these robots will not malfunction just as we have also seen from movies and turn against the humans who have gotten them for domestic purposes into their hostage.

Is it going to be just an expensive toy? A helpful assistant making life easier? Are those a threat to certain types of human jobs?
Are you looking forward to seeing those being widely used?
The toy is considered a luxury, so it definitely will be widely used by some people because luxury is attractive.  It will actually make life easier because it will reduce the cost they spend on domestic staff, and then on the side of domestic staff, It will make life worse for them because it will mean that they will be relieved of their job, so it goes sideways.
Title: Re: Tesla Optimus Robots
Post by: electronicash on October 18, 2024, 10:23:46 PM
What are your thoughts on Tesla robots (or other similar) and what would be the impact on society?
The future is here, and all those things that we've seen in movies where robots are entirely taking over jobs that could be handled by humans have come. My only concern, however, is that I hope these robots will not malfunction just as we have also seen from movies and turn against the humans who have gotten them for domestic purposes into their hostage.

Is it going to be just an expensive toy? A helpful assistant making life easier? Are those a threat to certain types of human jobs?
Are you looking forward to seeing those being widely used?
The toy is considered a luxury, so it definitely will be widely used by some people because luxury is attractive.  It will actually make life easier because it will reduce the cost they spend on domestic staff, and then on the side of domestic staff, It will make life worse for them because it will mean that they will be relieved of their job, so it goes sideways.

we've see those movies. scary as it may look but it seem to prove human still is more superior than these robots.

its not just toy they say. if these Tesla robots becomes cheaper an d people are actually buying it because they need a staff to do chores at home, the kids in the next generation are going to be lazier than the recent generation. they are just going to keep asking the robot to cook for them and maybe catch fish fore them from the river.
Title: Re: Tesla Optimus Robots
Post by: 0t3p0t on October 18, 2024, 10:27:26 PM

8 years ago i think they already see whats coming i thought Chappie will just something we are dreaming as a kid.



but if it comes from Tesla, i'm not sure how things will go although i wanted someone who can help me in the house i would have this think it over if my kid will have one. this is very expensive as well.  i'd probably wait for the Chinese version.

maybe when i get old like 70, i need one who would wipe my ass.  ;D
Not unless these companies are not weaponizing these robots because I can see what movies could bring if they really are in the race of that purpose. Since I see Chinese already doing that with their robot dog. But if this is for the good of humans where it was made for our convenience and company then there is no problem about that.

it didn't start in China afaik. there are lots of MIT videos with their robots carrying military stuff and it was back in 2006. these are the kind of stuff to be developed and i think they are just waiting for  which army is going to utilize it the first and then it will be a fullblown bot wars.  ;D but there must have been a treaty made regarding the use of robots in warfare so i'm not sure about info.

Until no one yet has info and tweaks about the configuration and the firmware of the robot, it will be hard to trust this. this robots listens and communicate to the skynet.  ;D it maybe washing the dishes and mopping the floor but its taking your data like Xi JinPings Hwawei phones  ;D
Yeah that really is possible. Until these bots will not have consciousness then they are not a threat but for me drones are also flying bots and look at what it has done in a war. It was terrible and is destructive. These modern innovation really can help humans about convenience in our daily lives but abusing it's capability and using it in criminal act could be catastrophic. In terms of robotics I think Japan has an edge on this since they already brought back to life the anime of bots like gundam.
Title: Re: Tesla Optimus Robots
Post by: electronicash on October 18, 2024, 11:40:21 PM

8 years ago i think they already see whats coming i thought Chappie will just something we are dreaming as a kid.



but if it comes from Tesla, i'm not sure how things will go although i wanted someone who can help me in the house i would have this think it over if my kid will have one. this is very expensive as well.  i'd probably wait for the Chinese version.

maybe when i get old like 70, i need one who would wipe my ass.  ;D
Not unless these companies are not weaponizing these robots because I can see what movies could bring if they really are in the race of that purpose. Since I see Chinese already doing that with their robot dog. But if this is for the good of humans where it was made for our convenience and company then there is no problem about that.

it didn't start in China afaik. there are lots of MIT videos with their robots carrying military stuff and it was back in 2006. these are the kind of stuff to be developed and i think they are just waiting for  which army is going to utilize it the first and then it will be a fullblown bot wars.  ;D but there must have been a treaty made regarding the use of robots in warfare so i'm not sure about info.

Until no one yet has info and tweaks about the configuration and the firmware of the robot, it will be hard to trust this. this robots listens and communicate to the skynet.  ;D it maybe washing the dishes and mopping the floor but its taking your data like Xi JinPings Hwawei phones  ;D
Yeah that really is possible. Until these bots will not have consciousness then they are not a threat but for me drones are also flying bots and look at what it has done in a war. It was terrible and is destructive. These modern innovation really can help humans about convenience in our daily lives but abusing it's capability and using it in criminal act could be catastrophic. In terms of robotics I think Japan has an edge on this since they already brought back to life the anime of bots like gundam.

what i know is Japan just creating robots for industrialization. i once worked for a Japanese cabinet company and their assembly lines are equipped with robots doing all the sucking and hole borings. i couldn't imagine then having a robots for warfare since they seem peaceful people already.

but it will still boils down to the spoiled generation we have today. too lazy to cook for themselves or attend military training, the robots will do it for them.

this is how we will be in the next few years when robots serves us.


Title: Re: Tesla Optimus Robots
Post by: JoyMarsha on October 21, 2024, 11:28:55 PM

8 years ago i think they already see whats coming i thought Chappie will just something we are dreaming as a kid.



but if it comes from Tesla, i'm not sure how things will go although i wanted someone who can help me in the house i would have this think it over if my kid will have one. this is very expensive as well.  i'd probably wait for the Chinese version.

maybe when i get old like 70, i need one who would wipe my ass.  ;D
Waiting for the Chinese version doesn't mean their robot product would be cheap, that many people would afford it.

The cost of producing one of these robots is expensive. They are not yet rampard that you can see them everywhere you go. It's only a few people or companies that can afford them for now. It will be in so many years to come when other countries and company will be producing their ''robot" That's when we can expect the cost of purchasing one robot will be less because there is a supply of it globally and the manufacturer of the robots are many, pushing the robots price to be affordable for people that need it in their homes and offices
Title: Re: Tesla Optimus Robots
Post by: rachael9385 on October 24, 2024, 12:23:03 AM
These Tesla robots they are good but creating robots to replace Humans is bad infact the robots are not welcomed at all he is looking for technology why don't he do better things other than intending to create robots that would act like humans, the worst of it all is that he is trying to launch now a robot that can carry babies for nine months. Even the lord God won't be happy for this, many people will lose their jobs in this kind of economy of hardship and you are creating these robots this man is mean.
Title: Re: Tesla Optimus Robots
Post by: electronicash on October 24, 2024, 09:18:57 PM

8 years ago i think they already see whats coming i thought Chappie will just something we are dreaming as a kid.



but if it comes from Tesla, i'm not sure how things will go although i wanted someone who can help me in the house i would have this think it over if my kid will have one. this is very expensive as well.  i'd probably wait for the Chinese version.

maybe when i get old like 70, i need one who would wipe my ass.  ;D
Waiting for the Chinese version doesn't mean their robot product would be cheap, that many people would afford it.

The cost of producing one of these robots is expensive. They are not yet rampard that you can see them everywhere you go. It's only a few people or companies that can afford them for now. It will be in so many years to come when other countries and company will be producing their ''robot" That's when we can expect the cost of purchasing one robot will be less because there is a supply of it globally and the manufacturer of the robots are many, pushing the robots price to be affordable for people that need it in their homes and offices

once they create one, it will be massive in the next few years. all it needs is a demand for they can produce it by millions in a day.  have you seen how they manufacture missiles?

its automated and operated by someone just operating a joystick, they don't need men to do it. China outpace everyone in terms of technology. they dwarf Tesla's robots if you have seen their AI humanoid exhibition. they even released those robots long before Elon did.







Title: Re: Tesla Optimus Robots
Post by: rachael9385 on October 30, 2024, 08:25:35 AM
It will be better to use these robots privately at home and maybe private offices as assistants but of what need are these robots while there are trillions of jobless people on earth. For crying out loud these robots will cost people their jobs.
I pray that my country men won't be among those to have these robots cause with the rate of unemployment in my country if these robots are brought in it will be 10x what we are seeing now and I know some countries are going to ban these product from entering their country.
Title: Re: Tesla Optimus Robots
Post by: pawel7777 on November 01, 2024, 05:28:05 PM
It will be better to use these robots privately at home and maybe private offices as assistants but of what need are these robots while there are trillions of jobless people on earth.

You got carried away there a bit with those trillions. There are only a bit above 8 billions of us on earth right now.
I a worst case scenario, we'll be stealing robots and make them work for us  ;D


I pray that my country men won't be among those to have these robots cause with the rate of unemployment in my country if these robots are brought in it will be 10x what we are seeing now
It's not just the unemployment issue. Even if automation replaces most of the human labour and there's an unconditional income introduced, there could still be a big negative mental impact resulting from people not having anything meaningful to do and feeling not needed and useless.
Title: Re: Tesla Optimus Robots
Post by: electronicash on November 01, 2024, 07:21:43 PM
It will be better to use these robots privately at home and maybe private offices as assistants but of what need are these robots while there are trillions of jobless people on earth.

You got carried away there a bit with those trillions. There are only a bit above 8 billions of us on earth right now.
I a worst case scenario, we'll be stealing robots and make them work for us  ;D


I pray that my country men won't be among those to have these robots cause with the rate of unemployment in my country if these robots are brought in it will be 10x what we are seeing now
It's not just the unemployment issue. Even if automation replaces most of the human labour and there's an unconditional income introduced, there could still be a big negative mental impact resulting from people not having anything meaningful to do and feeling not needed and useless.

seem the technology is deliberately released to disrupt economies adding to the economic problem we already have. to many technologies that already existed a longtime ago such as electric vehicle but only released in our time. back when they didn't have that climate change narrative and they didn't want oil industry to be disrupted, they didn't allow EVs but now it seems okay.

i'm not sure what robots will disrupt but most since covid 19 people are not working due to the stimulus package. and companies today are laying off which they may need robot workers soon.