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Learning & News => For Beginners => Basic questions about this forum => Topic started by: bitmover on November 14, 2024, 04:46:45 PM
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Again, these things are vaguely defined. I see that you @bitmover have been on 2000 activity for quite a long time, even though you have enough points, posts, and karma points... maybe you should ask the admin about what is happening there.
Indeed this looks strange. I will ask admin. We have joined the forum almost in the same time and you have 700+ activity than me
Edit: Split off-topic post from Karma requirements for ranks (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=325851.0) (dragononcrypto)
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You're oversimplifying the ranking up process by thinking it's only based on time and posts, see Activity has stopped increasing: https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=313216.0
Try voting in 50+ polls, that's the badge difference between the two of you it seems ;-)
Hopefully admin has an answer for you though.
I don't think this is the problem.. is it? Anyway, I just got the 50 pools badge.
But I can see it have less activity than most people. I see lucius has 2400 , and i don't think i was teleported much later than him.
I think there is some bug going on
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I don't think this is the problem.. is it? Anyway, I just got the 50 pools badge.
But I can see it have less activity than most people. I see lucius has 2400 , and i don't think i was teleported much later than him.
I think there is some bug going on
I actually have 2500 and just got the badge for it - and I registered on the forum (not teleported) a week before you. I don't know what the issue is with the activity being frozen at 2000 because it hasn't happened to me, but I think that you have to take into account what is written in the link posted by @dragononcrypto.
The requirement for rank increase varies, and can depend on these factors:
- Post count : how many topics and posts have you created ?
- Karma : are your topics and replies getting positive karma?
- Online presence: are you present on the forum often, or just logging in posting the out.
- Registration date: when you signed-up, to prevent cheating with ranking.
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but I think that you have to take into account what is written in the link posted by @dragononcrypto.
The requirement for rank increase varies, and can depend on these factors:
- Post count : how many topics and posts have you created ?
- Karma : are your topics and replies getting positive karma?
- Online presence: are you present on the forum often, or just logging in posting the out.
- Registration date: when you signed-up, to prevent cheating with ranking.
I have done all that, just like you. I see no reason to be stuck at 2000.
ranking is based on activity
activity is not based on post count
Can you clarify this problem with my account admin?
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but I think that you have to take into account what is written in the link posted by @dragononcrypto.
The requirement for rank increase varies, and can depend on these factors:
- Post count : how many topics and posts have you created ?
- Karma : are your topics and replies getting positive karma?
- Online presence: are you present on the forum often, or just logging in posting the out.
- Registration date: when you signed-up, to prevent cheating with ranking.
I have done all that, just like you. I see no reason to be stuck at 2000.
ranking is based on activity
activity is not based on post count
Can you clarify this problem with my account admin?
it is a normal behaviour, not a problem with your account don't worry
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I have done all that, just like you. I see no reason to be stuck at 2000.
Don't worry, Mate. It seems that almost all accounts experience it when we reach 2000, there have been cases like this, and it has become one of the discussions in our local forum. The point is, just let it be, later the number of activities will return to normal, it's just that, maybe each account will have a different period. At that time, I was stuck at 2000 activity for about 2 months or more, I don't really remember, I even forgot, and didn't realize that the activity had started again.
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I have done all that, just like you. I see no reason to be stuck at 2000.
Don't worry, Mate. It seems that almost all accounts experience it when we reach 2000, there have been cases like this, and it has become one of the discussions in our local forum. The point is, just let it be, later the number of activities will return to normal, it's just that, maybe each account will have a different period. At that time, I was stuck at 2000 activity for about 2 months or more, I don't really remember, I even forgot, and didn't realize that the activity had started again.
lol that makes absolutely no sense. This is completly pointless and random to just punish random people, preventing them from ranking up for no reason....
This just makes the whole system less efficient and less important than it should be.
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I have done all that, just like you. I see no reason to be stuck at 2000.
Don't worry, Mate. It seems that almost all accounts experience it when we reach 2000, there have been cases like this, and it has become one of the discussions in our local forum. The point is, just let it be, later the number of activities will return to normal, it's just that, maybe each account will have a different period. At that time, I was stuck at 2000 activity for about 2 months or more, I don't really remember, I even forgot, and didn't realize that the activity had started again.
lol that makes absolutely no sense. This is completly pointless and random to just punish random people, preventing them from ranking up for no reason....
This just makes the whole system less efficient and less important than it should be.
ok i will shed light on this
activity is linked in a way to post number but not fully
at certain points the activity will freeze till the conditions are fulfilled to rank up
because ranking up rely on activity directly.
the 2000 freeze point was linked to a previous ranking requirement, that requirement have been changed (more post counts), but the freeze remained
yes i could have moved up the freeze point , i was lasy i didn't
but then kept it on purpose so that users stop associating activity with post count
that's the truth, the whole truth, so help me [God*]
*insert here whatever you want based on your personal beliefs.
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I have done all that, just like you. I see no reason to be stuck at 2000.
Don't worry, Mate. It seems that almost all accounts experience it when we reach 2000, there have been cases like this, and it has become one of the discussions in our local forum. The point is, just let it be, later the number of activities will return to normal, it's just that, maybe each account will have a different period. At that time, I was stuck at 2000 activity for about 2 months or more, I don't really remember, I even forgot, and didn't realize that the activity had started again.
lol that makes absolutely no sense. This is completly pointless and random to just punish random people, preventing them from ranking up for no reason....
This just makes the whole system less efficient and less important than it should be.
I am stuck at 2000 I suppose I will go higher.
what comes after 2000?
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it is a normal behaviour, not a problem with your account don't worry
This shouldn't be normal.
The system is randomly punishing random users.
I joined with Lucius and examplens and there is no reason to be behind them...
This is discourage and unfair... makes no sense ...
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it is a normal behaviour, not a problem with your account don't worry
This shouldn't be normal.
Sounds completely normal.
The system is randomly punishing random users.
I joined with Lucius and examplens and there is no reason to be behind them...
This is discourage and unfair... makes no sense ...
It's not random, it's clearly calculated as admin explained. You didn't reach 2,000 activity before the ranking requirements changed, that's called "tough luck". This is literally what happens every-time rank requirements change; it effects users that haven't reached certain ranks or certain activity. Others might describe it as "you snooze you lose", as this is all that happened it seems.
It's like saying that it wasn't fair when merit was introduced on bitcointalk, because some users had already reached Legendary and others hadn't.
Have split off-topic posts to this new topic best I can (that had becoming nearly half of it) from here: https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=325851.0
It's a usual question that has come up quite a few times, and admin has answers, so best not buried in an unrelated suggestion topic for benefit of others.
Also just the perks of having self-moderated topic :)
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This shouldn't be normal.
The system is randomly punishing random users.
I joined with Lucius and examplens and there is no reason to be behind them...
This is discourage and unfair... makes no sense ...
I've seen before that someone gets stuck at 2000 activities, but I haven't found an exact algorithm for when and why that number is exceeded. admin gave a formal explanation, but not direct facts.
So your stats say:
Total Time Spent Online:7 days, 12 hours and 37 minutes.
Total Posts:1369 posts
Activity:2000 (5.952 per day)
Total Topics Started:63 topics
Karma: 312
while my stats:
Total Time Spent Online:16 days, 23 hours and 19 minutes.
Total Posts:1576 posts
Activity:2710 (7.901 per day)
Total Topics Started:60 topics
Karma: 317
Everything is mostly the same, except I have written about 200 more posts. (And now I'm surprised by this difference in time spent on the forum.)
As we often participate in the same discussions, I noticed that, for example, dkbit98 recently crossed the 2000 mark. He also has a slightly higher number of posts than you, so everything leads me to the conclusion that this is an important part of the activity count.
Total Time Spent Online:11 days, 7 hours and 18 minutes.
Total Posts:1412 posts
Activity:2184 (1.149 per day)
Total Topics Started:75 topics
Karma: 179
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activity freeze is what makes ranking harder, without activity freeze the post count would be the only factor
activity freezes till certain none post conditions are fulfilled
i will not go in details what these conditions are, to avoid users cheating their way through activity freeze
but in general what was mentioned multiple times before applies:
- including online presence (how often you visit the forum)
- other factors that i prefer not to disclose
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Everything is mostly the same, except I have written about 200 more posts. (And now I'm surprised by this difference in time spent on the forum.)
That's like the difference between many users with different ranks, around 40 posts (difference between dkbit and bitmover) ;D
So basically to summarise the info you provided there (nice work with that):
- Hasn't posted enough for activity to unfreeze (1400 would be my guess if so)
- Hasn't been online enough (7 days compared to 11 is a huge difference)
- Didn't reach 2000 activity before the ranking requirements were changed
So this isn't "punishing random users", there are three clear reasons why bitmover could be stuck at 2,000 activity.
Personally I like the mystery of it all, as it does avoid users gaming the system more than usual.
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activity freeze is what makes ranking harder, without activity freeze the post count would be the only factor
Does activity freeze exist on any other count or only in 2000?
Should we expect more surprises? :)
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activity freeze is what makes ranking harder, without activity freeze the post count would be the only factor
Does activity freeze exist on any other count or only in 2000?
Should we expect more surprises? :)
I recommend you propose to the senate that d team and/or senators are exempt from activity freezing. I'd actually support that, as users who contributing to the forum by reporting spammers etc, as well as representatives of the community, shouldn't fundamentally have their activity frozen imo. I'd also say that should be true for Royalty and upwards (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=63.0), rather than just the Lucky Pass (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=314922.0) that looks like a lottery.
You're probably not going to like what's in store ahead otherwise ;D
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i will not go in details what these conditions are, to avoid users cheating their way through activity freeze
but in general what was mentioned multiple times before applies:
- including online presence (how often you visit the forum)
- other factors that i prefer not to disclose
SO I understand now.
There are hidden rules that no one knows, only the admin.
Ranking up can be considered "cheating" the system? I don't get it... If they rules are clear, completing them is not cheating, but accomplishing.
Maybe something silly like sending 3 PM in a same day is a rule and I froze because of that. Makes zero sense to me.
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@bitmover, as I wrote to you in the chat, and the admin confirmed it - one of the important factors is the time spent on the forum - you have "only" 7 days, I have 17+, @examplens is on 16. It might seem a bit complicated, but remember how you became Legendary on BTT - you have the lowest and highest possible activity that can enable you to do that - someone is lucky enough to achieve it for 7xx activity points, others are waiting for 9xx activity points. The difference is literally in a few months.
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So basically to summarise the info you provided there (nice work with that):
- Hasn't posted enough for activity to unfreeze (1400 would be my guess if so)
- Hasn't been online enough (7 days compared to 11 is a huge difference)
- Didn't reach 2000 activity before the ranking requirements were changed
So this isn't "punishing random users", there are three clear reasons why bitmover could be stuck at 2,000 activity.
Personally I like the mystery of it all, as it does avoid users gaming the system more than usual.
The information you posted is wrong.
There are users with less posts than me who have unfreeze activity.
The "clear reasons" are just false. Post requirement isnt 1400.
We don't know if the online time is 7 or 10 or 5, because it is a hidden and unknown value (only known to the admin)
As rules are not clear, the reason might be something like sending 3 private messages in the same day, or opening 10 pools, nobody can really know for sure. The only thing that we dont have is a "Clear reason"
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The information you posted is wrong.
There are users with less posts than me who have unfreeze activity.
The "clear reasons" are just false. Post requirement isnt 1400.
We don't know if the online time is 7 or 10 or 5, because it is a hidden and unknown value (only known to the admin)
As rules are not clear, the reason might be something like sending 3 private messages in the same day, or opening 10 pools, nobody can really know for sure. The only thing that we dont have is a "Clear reason"
It's not about hiding things to make everything more difficult, it's about ensuring that users do not abuse the system. Lucius told you as is, and I have also told you in another of my posts, in another thread.
What is the difference between a user with an activity of 2,001 and you?.
Your total time spent online is not hidden, you can find it here: User statistics for: bitmover (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=profile;area=statistics;u=97360).
Anyone can view a user's statistics, you don't even need to log in to the forum.
The 3 PMs you sent have nothing to do with that.
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Your total time spent online is not hidden, you can find it here: User statistics for: bitmover (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=profile;area=statistics;u=97360).
What is hidden is the online presence requisite. Nobody knows if it is 5 day, or 10 days
This is what I meant.
As rules are hidden, it could be sending 3 pm a day. Anyone who says it is not is just lying, as admin already said that the rules are hidden.
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What is hidden is the online presence requisite. Nobody knows if it is 5 day, or 10 days
This is what I meant.
As rules are hidden, it could be sending 3 pm a day. Anyone who says it is not is just lying, as admin already said that the rules are hidden.
As I already told you, although this requirement is "hidden", as you say, the answer is simple and there are several users who have given you clues. The answer is in the question I asked you in my previous post.
There are things that cannot be said openly, I repeat, to prevent users (some) from abusing the system.
I would also like to repeat that ranking up is not going against the system or cheating the system, but not doing it correctly is cheating the system in a certain way.
Just because the administrator says the rules are hidden doesn't mean you can't see them. No one has ever told me about those rules and I have been able to see them over time, it is as simple as comparing profiles.
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As I already told you, although this requirement is "hidden", as you say, the answer is simple and there are several users who have given you clues.
So you know the rules which are supposed to hidden from everyone?
This looks now even less fair system now.
I am impressed by how the community is just not caring about such basic stuff.
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So you know the rules which are supposed to hidden from everyone?
This looks now even less fair system now.
You shouldn't let your frustration cloud your mind. You're taking things out of context and bringing them to a point where no one benefits and no one learns anything.
I don't have more information than other users (including you) but I do have the patience to observe.
I'm not here to argue badly with you or anyone. Please read my posts again.
And above all, you must know that I am here to help.
Thanks.
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As I already told you, although this requirement is "hidden", as you say, the answer is simple and there are several users who have given you clues.
So you know the rules which are supposed to hidden from everyone?
This looks now even less fair system now.
I am impressed by how the community is just not caring about such basic stuff.
simply put
whenever there is a monetary incentive there will be abuse
all the hacks in the blockchains and projects, proves this point
the hundreds of farm accounts that we took down, and the thousands of such account that signup on altt and btt, are exactly what we are fighting
this is a community, not a task list
once ranking up becomes fully transparent, it becomes a task list for users, and it will become a sheet code for farm account to rank up the accounts
again this is a community, we expect everyone to interact in a normal way not in a way to just increase rank (same on btt, why burst posts are rejected by bounty manager)
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Your total time spent online is not hidden, you can find it here: User statistics for: bitmover (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=profile;area=statistics;u=97360).
What is hidden is the online presence requisite. Nobody knows if it is 5 day, or 10 days
This is what I meant.
As rules are hidden, it could be sending 3 pm a day. Anyone who says it is not is just lying, as admin already said that the rules are hidden.
to avoid a surge in useless mail
sending pm is not involved in ranking, following topics or sections is not involved either
friend/ignore list not involved either
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again this is a community, we expect everyone to interact in a normal way not in a way to just increase rank (same on btt, why burst posts are rejected by bounty manager)
The burst post is something completely different. It happens here because that's the only requirement for a rank upgrade, and it was the same on Btt until the merit system was introduced.
The managers don't approve it, not because of the forum rules, but because it is less effective for the campaign if the user writes 25 posts in a couple of hours and fulfils the weekly quota. The campaign aims to get as much visibility as possible, and a burst post does not help with that.
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again this is a community, we expect everyone to interact in a normal way not in a way to just increase rank (same on btt, why burst posts are rejected by bounty manager)
The burst post is something completely different. It happens here because that's the only requirement for a rank upgrade, and it was the same on Btt until the merit system was introduced.
The managers don't approve it, not because of the forum rules, but because it is less effective for the campaign if the user writes 25 posts in a couple of hours and fulfils the weekly quota. The campaign aims to get as much visibility as possible, and a burst post does not help with that.
agree
so apply the same thing to ranking up
user 1: logs in , writes 3 posts in 15 minutes, logs out
user 2: logs in , reads , interact (total 3 posts), logs out
In this case, it is logical that ranking up should be easier for user 2
now imagine i give these details:
to unfreeze activity block 1, you'll need 30 posts and 24h of online presence
user 3 (account farm): know now the formula : can create multiple accounts, burst post in a couple days to reach 30 posts
then keep the website open on a browser for 24h - logged in, or use a browser extension to simulate interaction
voila ... hundreds of account farms will be created, and they will take a big percentage of the bounties and subscriptions
if it is automated and involved AI, in a clever undetectable way , an account farm can take most of the revenue and leave almost nothing for others
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agree
so apply the same thing to ranking up
user 1: logs in , writes 3 posts in 15 minutes, logs out
user 2: logs in , reads , interact (total 3 posts), logs out
In this case, it is logical that ranking up should be easier for user 2
now imagine i give these details:
to unfreeze activity block 1, you'll need 30 posts and 24h of online presence
user 3 (account farm): know now the formula : can create multiple accounts, burst post in a couple days to reach 30 posts
then keep the website open on a browser for 24h - logged in, or use a browser extension to simulate interaction
voila ... hundreds of account farms will be created, and they will take a big percentage of the bounties and subscriptions
if it is automated and involved AI, in a clever undetectable way , an account farm can take most of the revenue and leave almost nothing for others
I understand the problem you're talking about. Although I think it's wrong to freeze activity for Legendary members (like the bitmover case), and it certainly has no impact on account farmers.
In order not to be exclusively critical, here are a few suggestions that could perhaps influence the improvement of the ranking system.
I would consider what already exists on Btt, a maximum of 14 activities in 14 days. Even if you write 100 posts in two weeks, the activity can only increase by 14 points.
Also, add the condition that the user must be active for at least a few days during that period. Even if he writes 14 posts in one day, he must log in at least 3-5 more days in that period.
What I would introduce would be specific to this forum. activity points to have a different coefficient. So for example, trash post '1 activity *0', posts in bounty threads would have a very small value, so each post would be '1 activity *0.1'. Further, I would increase the coefficient according to the sections that require higher quality writing, for example, technical discussion '1 activity *1.5'
OK, this is just a suggestion, the numbers are arbitrary, I'm talking more about the concept. In the end, I don't even know if it is technically feasible
I think that this could be more efficient than the previously proposed badges according to the quality of the posts.
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I understand the problem you're talking about. Although I think it's wrong to freeze activity for Legendary members (like the bitmover case), and it certainly has no impact on account farmers.
Punishing legit users to try to catch abusers is clearly a bad rule.
Innocent should never be punished when trying to get abusers
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Punishing legit users to try to catch abusers is clearly a bad rule.
Innocent should never be punished when trying to get abusers
Am I a legit user?. Who knows.
You are wrong. No one freezes your activity to remain at 2,000 from the time the account reached that amount. The system is set up that way and it is something that all users who have exceeded that amount of activity have had to go through. The same thing happened to me years ago and shortly after I discovered the reason. It's nothing against you.
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@bitmover, I understand your frustration, although you have to accept that the rules of the game are not always clearly set for the reasons mentioned by the admin and the President. So even though you are asking to find out what exactly is the reason why your activity is frozen, I think that we have already found the reason and that it is about your total time online, which is significantly less than anyone with whom you have compared yourself.
We can conclude that this time is definitely longer than 5 or 7, and we can guess whether it is fixed at 10 (which I doubt) or is variable between 10 and 12. I didn't have my activity frozen at 2000 because I obviously met all the conditions, and I'm sure you will unfreeze your activity soon - for consolation, you're not the only one "stuck" at 2000.
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I understand the problem you're talking about. Although I think it's wrong to freeze activity for Legendary members (like the bitmover case), and it certainly has no impact on account farmers.
Punishing legit users to try to catch abusers is clearly a bad rule.
Innocent should never be punished when trying to get abusers
who said it is punishment?
this is how the ranking system was conceived, i do not understand all this fuss!
the freeze points apply to everyone
when you teleport you already skip multiple freeze points which make the next freeze point appear harder
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Punishing legit users to try to catch abusers is clearly a bad rule.
Innocent should never be punished when trying to get abusers
Am I a legit user?. Who knows.
I am legit.
Punishing legit users to try to catch abusers is clearly a bad rule.
Innocent should never be punished when trying to get abusers
You are wrong.
Am I wrong to say punshing legit users is a bad rule?
the freeze points apply to everyone
when you teleport you already skip multiple freeze points which make the next freeze point appear harder
This can't be verified, as rules are hidden. But I trust you that it happens to everyone. Anyway, it is a bad rule imo, because I see other people who joined with me, posted less, are way ahead of me... for reasons unknown...
That is fine, i will just ignore that stats as I always had....
We can conclude that this time is definitely longer than 5 or 7, and we can guess whether it is fixed at 10 (which I doubt) or is variable between 10 and 12.
You are just speculating. The rule is hidden, it can be something like using ALT tokens, using search button, whatever..
I know nothing will change, and the community is Ok with those rules as few people are affected. I will close this topic and will not discuss this anymore.
My opinion:
BAD RULE (whatever that is).
Should not be hidden (if it was good, it would not be hidden)
Legit users will get pissed for stupid reason.
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After a few months I decided to disable adblock in this website and then boom: My online time started growing at a much faster rate and I was able to finally unstuck my activity.
No big deal, but this online time is bugged. My suggestion is to disable this secret rule, as it is bugged and unfair (as some users know it and most dont).
At least the online time should count correctly and equally to every user. As it is, people who use adblock are getting their activity blocked.
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After a few months I decided to disable adblock in this website and then boom: My online time started growing at a much faster rate and I was able to finally unstuck my activity.
No big deal, but this online time is bugged. My suggestion is to disable this secret rule, as it is bugged and unfair (as some users know it and most dont).
At least the online time should count correctly and equally to every user. As it is, people who use adblock are getting their activity blocked.
i don't think adblock should have an influence on online time, i will need to test this
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After a few months I decided to disable adblock in this website and then boom: My online time started growing at a much faster rate and I was able to finally unstuck my activity.
No big deal, but this online time is bugged. My suggestion is to disable this secret rule, as it is bugged and unfair (as some users know it and most dont).
At least the online time should count correctly and equally to every user. As it is, people who use adblock are getting their activity blocked.
Congrats! You have to celebrate. :D
As far as I can see, you have just passed 10 hours, so I would conclude that this is the limit that is required to continue the activity count. If I remember correctly, it was similar to philipma.
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After a few months I decided to disable adblock in this website and then boom: My online time started growing at a much faster rate and I was able to finally unstuck my activity.
No big deal, but this online time is bugged. My suggestion is to disable this secret rule, as it is bugged and unfair (as some users know it and most dont).
At least the online time should count correctly and equally to every user. As it is, people who use adblock are getting their activity blocked.
i don't think adblock should have an influence on online time, i will need to test this
That's something the admin should checked since most users here uses adblock, even in mobile i'm using brave or sometimes firefox which has default ad blocker then uBlock in desktop.
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That's something the admin should checked since most users here uses adblock, even in mobile i'm using brave or sometimes firefox which has default ad blocker then uBlock in desktop.
Yeah, I just reached 10 days which is quite odd, as I joined very close to you and many other members who have nearly 20 days of online time.
I even noticed that my bot (bitmoverbot) gets online many times a day to scrap data. He has zero online time, which is weird.(and fundamentally wrong)
Comparing to my bot in bitcointalk, which has 5 days of online time.
I have a bot in bitcointalk which does basically the same thing, and it has 5 hours total online time:
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/03/01/qDzbH.png)
And bitmoverbot only has 5 minutes online time.
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/03/01/qDI9d.png)
So yeah, this is most likely a bug, as looks like admin decided to make online time something important to rank up. He probably changed some configurations to make it count time differently than other SMF forums
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Yeah, I just reached 10 days which is quite odd, as I joined very close to you and many other members who have nearly 20 days of online time.
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Comparing to my bot in bitcointalk, which has 5 days of online time.
So yeah, this is most likely a bug, as looks like admin decided to make online time something important to rank up. He probably changed some configurations to make it count time differently than other SMF forums
Do you mean the "Total Time Spent Online"? I looked at your stats, and you have higher numbers than me in almost every category except for the number of days spent. The only explanation I can think of is that if the time spent is tracked using JavaScript, its possible that using an ad blocker can affect this number.
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Do you mean the "Total Time Spent Online"? I looked at your stats, and you have higher numbers than me in almost every category except for the number of days spent. The only explanation I can think of is that if the time spent is tracked using JavaScript, its possible that using an ad blocker can affect this number.
Exactly that.
I had 7 days online until November (1 year of forum use), you can see in the first page of the thread.
I disabled the adblock like a month ago and got 2 days really quickly.
That is possible the reason...