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Further Discussions => Economics , Sociology & Politics => Topic started by: bitterguy28 on December 10, 2024, 12:31:32 PM
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came across a youtube video which discusses why mass shooting is common in the us but not in a specific country which in this video happens to be the philippines
some points that were discussed was how common guns were in both countries, what is the reason for owning said guns, and why do they think mass shootings happen more in the us than in their country
the discussion here doesn’t have to be specific to the philippines i was just curious what you thought of it since many people both in the video and in the comments thought that this is a cultural thing between a first world country and a third world one
they said that mass shooters might be mentally and emotionally unstable but many believe that citizens from a third world country not only have limited access to guns but also are too busy trying to survive life itself to create even more complications from shooting masses
do you agree with this? why or why not?
the youtube video (https://youtu.be/dB-Li28vrcM?si=aUQnxop5A8a742Xi)
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Maybe because we do have much security guards here like in villages, hotels, malls and more. We are also family oriented and we are I think more friendly than any other countries though that is what I've heard from foreigners that lives here. Well yeah it's really a fact that we do have millions of legal and loose firearms here in the country but mass shooting is an isolated case here and the reason might be political or personal motives.
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they said that mass shooters might be mentally and emotionally unstable but many believe that citizens from a third world country not only have limited access to guns but also are too busy trying to survive life itself to create even more complications from shooting masses
do you agree with this? why or why not?
the youtube video (https://youtu.be/dB-Li28vrcM?si=aUQnxop5A8a742Xi)
Yes I totally agree with you on this very important point that your making that third world countries can't be talking about owning a gun and be shooting sporadically because their first target is how they will eat and survive, the shooting in the united state of America can be attributed to allot of reasons and government should be held responsible for the continuous shooting taking place because they are given citizens so much leverage and right when it comes to the issues of guns, gun rights is something that the Senate and house of representatives should look into and come up with more stringent measure before you can be given a license gun again before you can be given a gun there should be a mental evaluation on the individual before given the gun
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I mean if gun laws allows people to carry in an area, what do you think will happen? Of course there are safeguards that are in place to prevent unlawful firing/discharge but the easier access to those guns alone makes the likelihood of a mass shooting higher. Assassinations seems to be another problem there. After the attempt on Trump, there's the CEO of a healthcare company.
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when a person has a gun, its easy to lose control and show dominance. a person with gun is cam be compared to a powerful king that lives of someone lies upon his judgement.
in the case of mass shooting in US, some of them re bullied kids where their patience run out and because its easy to buy a gun since they have this 2nd amendment (the right to arm) then anyone at the right age can own a gun. as far as i know an person with ADHD can still ow n gun.
some of the case was that of PTSD. soldier discharge from military already has trauma that whenever this man suddenly can't sustain his drug use, they just snap and shoot kids in the school nearby.
the CEO is something else. looks like they justify this guy like he is a hero.
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Maybe because we do have much security guards here like in villages, hotels, malls and more. We are also family oriented and we are I think more friendly than any other countries though that is what I've heard from foreigners that lives here. Well yeah it's really a fact that we do have millions of legal and loose firearms here in the country but mass shooting is an isolated case here and the reason might be political or personal motives.
that is also what surprised me apparently it is not normal for every single establishment to have security guards as it is common here in the philippines let us be honest though sometimes they can also just do as much if there is someone or a group of people enter an establishment and outstrenght the security guards then they are still not safe
but i guess filipinos associate guns or any weapons to security guards and police officers only that owning a firearm themselves seem unlikely and unthinkable it is a very interesting cultural difference that leads to a lack of specific crime that is prevalent in another
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but i guess filipinos associate guns or any weapons to security guards and police officers only that owning a firearm themselves seem unlikely and unthinkable it is a very interesting cultural difference that leads to a lack of specific crime that is prevalent in another
Well that is true and most probably the reason why we have isolated cases of mass shootings here in the country. Most mass shootings available online that happened in the Philippines are mostly political and personal motives like robberies and clan wars but they are uncommon unlike what has happened in other countries wherein it is very common. Here in the Philippines we do have strict gun laws which is currently being amended especially the possession and ownership and the government is serious about that so maybe that will also help reduce mass shooting incidents through proper implementation of laws especially at the moment because I think gun ban has already been lifted so we will soon expect random checkpoints for this.
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but i guess filipinos associate guns or any weapons to security guards and police officers only that owning a firearm themselves seem unlikely and unthinkable it is a very interesting cultural difference that leads to a lack of specific crime that is prevalent in another
Well that is true and most probably the reason why we have isolated cases of mass shootings here in the country. Most mass shootings available online that happened in the Philippines are mostly political and personal motives like robberies and clan wars but they are uncommon unlike what has happened in other countries wherein it is very common. Here in the Philippines we do have strict gun laws which is currently being amended especially the possession and ownership and the government is serious about that so maybe that will also help reduce mass shooting incidents through proper implementation of laws especially at the moment because I think gun ban has already been lifted so we will soon expect random checkpoints for this.
I get what you’re saying. In third-world countries, people are too busy just trying to get by, so guns aren’t a big thing for them. But in the U.S., it’s so much easier to get a gun, and that just makes things worse. They need stricter rules, like checking if someone’s mentally okay before handing them a gun. The government’s gotta step up and do more to keep everyone safe.
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but i guess filipinos associate guns or any weapons to security guards and police officers only that owning a firearm themselves seem unlikely and unthinkable it is a very interesting cultural difference that leads to a lack of specific crime that is prevalent in another
Well that is true and most probably the reason why we have isolated cases of mass shootings here in the country. Most mass shootings available online that happened in the Philippines are mostly political and personal motives like robberies and clan wars but they are uncommon unlike what has happened in other countries wherein it is very common. Here in the Philippines we do have strict gun laws which is currently being amended especially the possession and ownership and the government is serious about that so maybe that will also help reduce mass shooting incidents through proper implementation of laws especially at the moment because I think gun ban has already been lifted so we will soon expect random checkpoints for this.
I get what you’re saying. In third-world countries, people are too busy just trying to get by, so guns aren’t a big thing for them. But in the U.S., it’s so much easier to get a gun, and that just makes things worse. They need stricter rules, like checking if someone’s mentally okay before handing them a gun. The government’s gotta step up and do more to keep everyone safe.
3rd world countries like ours has no appetite for shooting spree. We are used to just fight with words and pens.
Just look at our soldiers, never even experience at least a local war against insurgents because the rebels are already in Senate and Congress.
But criminals in the country know they are easy to find. The ones not easy to find are the criminals protected by politicians.
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Because nobody cares about shootings in like 2/3 of the world and crimes in most countries don't make it to the news, second, it's about definitions.
So you have 600 mass shootings in the US, but at the same time you have only 11 with and with more than 3 fatalities, in Russia for a mass shooting to qualify as it you must have 6 killed, and in some countries, it's even worse as they don't even count and mark each as a homicide.
Plus, there is the financial aspect, in most poor countries it's too hard to try and buy a gun and ammo for it, you have to brie people, and you don't have the pleasure to try to go and train yourself, so harder for people that never had a gun in their hand to think like that, they use knives like the recent attacks in China or simply use a car to commit such things.
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they said that mass shooters might be mentally and emotionally unstable...
I believe that anyone who would pick up a gun to kill another person while they are not even military and not in self-defence is suffering from one kind of mental challenge or another because a person in his right senses will not want to do that knowing what the consequences of his action will be. Guns are also very easy to procure in the United States, so it's easy for anybody to get one and use it in the slightest situation or provocation.
If mass shooting would stop, then there would need to be a lot of rules and amendments as regards guns and having one.
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in answer to the thread title
because gun ownership is legal and particularly semi automatic guns and the fact that many people hold many guns.
and then there are those who feel that in order to solve issues and problems its ok to just go ahead and shoot someone
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and then there are those who feel that in order to solve issues and problems its ok to just go ahead and shoot someone
The solution to this problem of people feeling that the only way to solve problems is through shooting people is for government to crack down on people who have history of shooting and always take record of shooting events in the various districts and have a mental health check on people as mental disorder can make people to behave anyhow and begin shooting others
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in answer to the thread title
because gun ownership is legal and particularly semi automatic guns and the fact that many people hold many guns.
and then there are those who feel that in order to solve issues and problems its ok to just go ahead and shoot someone
in some other countries like Japan, only the authorities can have guns. even hand guns are very much controlled in the market that's why shootings are not very common. there are still people who solves issues with knives though.
crimes of passion always ends up in killing someone however they do it. its really just about the people having guns, when you know every house in the country have guns, you are also have to arm yourself. you just don't know who in the world you upset and has the plans to murder.
in the US where being in the service is pretty common, they learn to shoot at such early age.
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Every country has different view when it comes to carry guns for the safety purpose, in my place it's only restricted to very few circle of people but in US, it's available to many people that also lead to the black market guns that's what used in mass shootings. So I would say government should restrict to decrease such incidents but people from US has different view, they suggest anyone can carry gun so it helps them to save if someone attacks but to me that doesn't look an ideal solution.
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and then there are those who feel that in order to solve issues and problems its ok to just go ahead and shoot someone
The solution to this problem of people feeling that the only way to solve problems is through shooting people is for government to crack down on people who have history of shooting and always take record of shooting events in the various districts and have a mental health check on people as mental disorder can make people to behave anyhow and begin shooting others
The only way is to remove guns from society, close all opportunities for guns to be purchased over the counter.
Anyone can checkout fine or of sound mind and body, all it takes if during a moment of anger and loss of self control for someone to make the wrong decision and use their gun to solve an issue.
in answer to the thread title
because gun ownership is legal and particularly semi automatic guns and the fact that many people hold many guns.
and then there are those who feel that in order to solve issues and problems its ok to just go ahead and shoot someone
crimes of passion always ends up in killing someone however they do it. its really just about the people having guns, when you know every house in the country have guns, you are also have to arm yourself. you just don't know who in the world you upset and has the plans to murder.
I dont think thats a valid argument because it hasnt stopped crime. you might feel safe in your house because you have a gun but potentially everyone else has a gun too so it is actually the same as nobody having guns
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The only way is to remove guns from society, close all opportunities for guns to be purchased over the counter.
Anyone can checkout fine or of sound mind and body, all it takes if during a moment of anger and loss of self control for someone to make the wrong decision and use their gun to solve an issue.
yeah i do think that this can be actually the best solution we can come up with
in my opinion if you are not in any authority to own a gun for example being a police officer or a soldier then i do not think you have any business owning a gun you may not even know how to use it properly and a gun on your hands will give more harm to others than security to you i also know people who use guns as an intimidating factor so if they lack the title, they will have the weapon at least which should not be tolerated because if one has a gun then one would think he should have too how to fix this problem is that no one just gets a gun
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The only way is to remove guns from society, close all opportunities for guns to be purchased over the counter.
Anyone can checkout fine or of sound mind and body, all it takes if during a moment of anger and loss of self control for someone to make the wrong decision and use their gun to solve an issue.
yeah i do think that this can be actually the best solution we can come up with
in my opinion if you are not in any authority to own a gun for example being a police officer or a soldier then i do not think you have any business owning a gun you may not even know how to use it properly and a gun on your hands will give more harm to others than security to you i also know people who use guns as an intimidating factor so if they lack the title, they will have the weapon at least which should not be tolerated because if one has a gun then one would think he should have too how to fix this problem is that no one just gets a gun
Removing guns from the society will just make criminals another way and psychopaths to make commit crimes just like what happened in China and other parts of Europe wherein stabbing is one of the most common way of making terror. Let's just make Switzerland's gun laws and gun related cases an example.
An article says:
Switzerland’s relatively low levels of gun-related violence, despite widespread firearm ownership, often serve as a point of comparison in debates about gun control.
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they said that mass shooters might be mentally and emotionally unstable...
Anyone who derives joy from shooting their fellow beings should be insane and kill the exact way he or she shoots their fellow beings.
Mass shootings are what we learn of happening in the US, not always, but it happen from time to time because their citizens are allowed to use guns.
You don't give a civilian gun when they know that they can have you eliminated in the slightest disagreement or provocation. Many people have been killed because of this. Those who are mentally unstable see guns as a way to eliminate many people for fun or anger.