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Title: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: Bobcrypto on February 05, 2025, 10:42:10 AM
We have witnessed several unrest for the past four year of the last US president regime, talking about the middle east war, Russia and Ukraine war and many other social economics unrest. However, since the last bull run under the previous regime, crypto has performed avaregly, it is on records that we had bear run, precisely in 2022. Moreover, on a normal stable world economy, crypto can still go Bearish with out any war.
Now, we hear about economic war that I called a coincidence on the current bull run. I'm just being curious, do you think the current US economic war with some countries will alter the current Bull run? Your thoughts.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: TomPluz on February 05, 2025, 02:04:49 PM


The fear on trade war is just blown out of proportion and as of this writing everything seems to be settled between Canada and Mexico as these two countries can never afford an economic war with USA. What we should be concerned though is that of China but then this narrative will eventually be a non-issue weeks from now. Remember how China became a power years ago in terms of its influence on the market and then later everything settled down. the market is just looking for factors right now that it can use either to sell or buy more....most of these factors are just perceptions and speculations. In other words, this is just a temporary blip on the horizon.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: hugeblack on February 05, 2025, 02:55:08 PM
There will be no clear economic war in the coming months, and therefore its clear effects will not appear until Q4 of this year (if it happens). Since we expect this to happen in Q2 of this year, I do not expect these wars to have an impact on the rising peak of this cycle.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: 0t3p0t on February 05, 2025, 04:13:30 PM
As the time passes by trade wars between super power nations are going worst as we all witnessed sanctions here sanctions there, tariffs here and tarrifs there though I am not an expert on economics but trade wars will maybe affect the positive way as investors might be afraid of having stable assets because of the ongoing economic wars therefore they may now embrace Bitcoin. And if we try to look at the previous cycles it's normal to see bear and bull season so maybe if there's this economic war maybe it will only slightly affects the intensity of the current season.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: target on February 05, 2025, 04:32:52 PM

Could we say this trade war will pop the market or will this bull run continue to go up disregarding the cycle?

We are yet to see which of these will happen but I'm hoping the market will continue to go up after all they confirm the Bitcoin reserves. And also this may just be a BTC bull run, this will this pose a good impression to the investors.  And if its going to trigger a bear market then the best course of action is just to get out of the market before the price dips further.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: MrSpasybo on February 05, 2025, 05:35:14 PM
We have witnessed several unrest for the past four year of the last US president regime, talking about the middle east war, Russia and Ukraine war and many other social economics unrest. However, since the last bull run under the previous regime, crypto has performed avaregly, it is on records that we had bear run, precisely in 2022. Moreover, on a normal stable world economy, crypto can still go Bearish with out any war.
Now, we hear about economic war that I called a coincidence on the current bull run. I'm just being curious, do you think the current US economic war with some countries will alter the current Bull run? Your thoughts.
I think this trade war is necessary to maintain the cycle of BTC and the crypto market. Previously, many investors talked about a super cycle similar to 2021, which was indeed an unreasonable belief at this time. The recent adjustment has put investors expectations back in their place.

I believe this cycle will still take place normally: we will still have a very explosive 2025 for the crypto market before the crypto winter comes and blows away investors' profits. The trade war may create many consequences for the economy but it is not violent enough to change the behavior of the crypto market!
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: taufik123 on February 05, 2025, 06:21:43 PM
Economic wars are also influential because they will involve how investors spend their money to make more money.
Bitcoin may be an investment that has nothing to do with anything, and whales are also manipulating the crypto market to keep pace with how the world market is doing.

The bullrun has stalled a bit due to the US economic war issue, but then there will be an actual bullrun after it's all over and Bitcoin is ready to take off.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: bayu7adi on February 05, 2025, 06:36:32 PM
Talking about trade war, I immediately thought of China's policy... US trade is always disturbed by China's trade policy, and this is a barometer for world-class trade... the breakthroughs and innovations of these two giant countries are enough to make the market volatile... just a little topic that touches on BTC or the crypto market, it will really affect the demand for crypto...

The impact of the US and China trade war can really be felt by the crypto community, but it is not direct...
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: electronicash on February 05, 2025, 06:48:28 PM

anything that involves economic war indirect affects how investors are going to look at the future. this tariff war is already makiing the market dump.

if these two economic power houses are flexing their muscles, the countries dependent on these two China and US would do will benon the dark scrambling to see which side they want to go with.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: Baofeng on February 05, 2025, 07:25:48 PM
We have seen the worst in terms of magnitude during the pandemic, it's not only trade war but it really affected every country and yet we manage to have a bull run that time.

So this could be just a temporary setup for us, and I'm still very positive that we will bounce in this nose dive after everything settles down. We just need to stay positive that this will be resolve sooner by the countries involved.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: yhiaali3 on February 05, 2025, 08:38:27 PM
There is a lot of controversy about Trump's hostile economic policies towards neighboring countries, there are a lot of problems with Canada, Venezuela, Brazil, Mexico and above all China and Russia, old enemies of US hegemony.

The recent problems caused by Trump, especially the tariff problem with Canada, have caused great damage to the economy and this will certainly have negative repercussions on the crypto market, despite his open policies towards crypto, but on the other hand there is a policy of creating problems (if the name is correct) and therefore we do not know exactly where Bitcoin will head in the coming months.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: SmartGold01 on February 05, 2025, 11:26:40 PM
One thing I never forget is that Bitcoin bull run season and bear run season has never ceased for any reason, they will keep completing its current circle as it's already programmed, but sincerely whatever that relates with News surely affects the market, positively or negatively we may not see the market gain much interest and interaction the way it should be as we know, things like war, natural disaster affect price of cryptocurrency because there would be huge dump in the market which would also attributes to the dip.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: NotATether on February 06, 2025, 01:00:27 PM
Yes.

Everybody hates tariffs. SO it's no surprise that the market is reacting negatively to them. They literally take money away from people and businesses. And give it to the government.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: omori on February 06, 2025, 02:10:10 PM
Yes.

Everybody hates tariffs. SO it's no surprise that the market is reacting negatively to them. They literally take money away from people and businesses. And give it to the government.

The sentiment is shaken by that, and also what you described is happening too.
I do think it would that lever to make some dips here and there, before we would enter the biggest pump yet.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: Zed0X on February 06, 2025, 10:06:32 PM
Economic trade wars between/among countries happens every now and then but with different impacts. We'll see how long other countries could adjust to the US recent actions. Anyway, cryptocurrency is not exclusive and it can be affected by anything that shakes up the global economy.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: Aanuoluwatofunmi on February 06, 2025, 10:17:53 PM
Now, we hear about economic war that I called a coincidence on the current bull run. I'm just being curious, do you think the current US economic war with some countries will alter the current Bull run? Your thoughts.

Just as we already know before now that there is a way of how the economic news affect the market price and this may be to cause the rise or fall on the market, depending on the kind of new is it, this also often comes in as a shock, which mostly cause many market trades to liquidate because there is going to be a serious shock to cause them to miss out and loose, if truly we aren't done with the bull season yet, then no matter how the bear market may go, the bull will always overcome.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: sampoerna on February 06, 2025, 10:39:26 PM


The fear on trade war is just blown out of proportion and as of this writing everything seems to be settled between Canada and Mexico as these two countries can never afford an economic war with USA. What we should be concerned though is that of China but then this narrative will eventually be a non-issue weeks from now. Remember how China became a power years ago in terms of its influence on the market and then later everything settled down. the market is just looking for factors right now that it can use either to sell or buy more....most of these factors are just perceptions and speculations. In other words, this is just a temporary blip on the horizon.
The fear will really influence and it happens because of the FUD spreading's. The influence of the media is also quite high, sometimes the situation is fine, but there are some media that still exaggerate it, link it to other things, and so on. and this becomes FUD itself for many parties.

Maybe the economic war still exists, and globally, this may happen often, but to what extent or how severe, that varies. Of course, many countries with unstable economic strength and are still developing, will not be as brave as countries that are empowered, well, that's how it is.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: yohananaomi on February 07, 2025, 03:28:29 AM
There will be no clear economic war in the coming months, and therefore its clear effects will not appear until Q4 of this year (if it happens). Since we expect this to happen in Q2 of this year, I do not expect these wars to have an impact on the rising peak of this cycle.
I think what you said is real and true, and I agree with what you said that there is no economic war in the next few months or maybe even until the end of this year, and it will remain safe and under control.
So the cycle that should happen will run well, and my estimate is also that it will be in Q2 or Q3, of course we have to be patient about this.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: bitterguy28 on February 07, 2025, 06:45:19 AM
Now, we hear about economic war that I called a coincidence on the current bull run. I'm just being curious, do you think the current US economic war with some countries will alter the current Bull run? Your thoughts.
i don’t think so? i mean these countries are powerful influential ones that have products all over the world but this war is only between them and i can’t imagine why would they increase prices for products that will go to other countries or maybe decrease supply to other countries maybe i need more economical background to see what other implications there may be but i just think right now that there is no heavy affect to bitcoin’s cycle
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: philipma1957 on February 07, 2025, 07:30:19 AM
Don't know and I am not sure of the future at all except for one thing the musky trumpeter will be blowing his horn day after day. MAYBE he turns into the boy who cried wolf.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: PX-Z on February 07, 2025, 02:49:29 PM
Yes, an economic trade war can potentially impact Bitcoin current state, but of course, the extent of the effect depends on several factors. An example is countries affected by trade restrictions, some of them will adopt bitcoin or crypto as one of their options to buy/sell, just like Iran did.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: LogitechMouse on February 07, 2025, 03:45:13 PM
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Now, we hear about economic war that I called a coincidence on the current bull run. I'm just being curious, do you think the current US economic war with some countries will alter the current Bull run? Your thoughts.
US can engage in an economic war with other countries, but I don't think that other countries can do the same... or they are because we just saw that when Canada and Mexico retaliated with their own tariffs, Trump immediately postponed the implementation of tariffs in these countries.

TBH, it's hard because this economic war might affect those US companies and the stock price might be affected as well, and we know that the US Stock market and the crypto market moves almost the same. Still, it's unpredictable for the future of the crypto market. I remember back in 2017 when the China banned crypto (or ICO) in their country but didn't had a negative effect towards the market.

Maybe it's the same this time where the US can just make an economic war with other countries, but it will not have an effect towards the market at all.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: electronicash on February 07, 2025, 03:46:21 PM
Yes, an economic trade war can potentially impact Bitcoin current state, but of course, the extent of the effect depends on several factors. An example is countries affected by trade restrictions, some of them will adopt bitcoin or crypto as one of their options to buy/sell, just like Iran did.

the restrictions will force a country to use BTC especially if its sanctioned to trade somewhere else.nor they could just trade with someo.countroes that are also sanctioned by US. its a chaotic world in the end.

the tariff war stared already. Canad and Mexico i think gave in already.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: Faisal2202 on February 07, 2025, 05:24:19 PM
We have witnessed several unrest for the past four year of the last US president regime, talking about the middle east war, Russia and Ukraine war and many other social economics unrest. However, since the last bull run under the previous regime, crypto has performed avaregly, it is on records that we had bear run, precisely in 2022. Moreover, on a normal stable world economy, crypto can still go Bearish with out any war.
Now, we hear about economic war that I called a coincidence on the current bull run. I'm just being curious, do you think the current US economic war with some countries will alter the current Bull run? Your thoughts.
I don't think so because there were serious situations and wars in the past and BTC did not dumped much and now these tariffs and other restrictions, etc. by trump government is very small in compared to that war and I don't see any big war coming as I beleive we might see an end to all war or maybe few at least.

The market will pump due to USA's President but we must take other factors into account because blind trust on single entity to make the move in favor of crypto can make us lose money because what if that person did not do what we expected.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: yohananaomi on February 14, 2025, 05:51:35 AM
Yes, an economic trade war can potentially impact Bitcoin current state, but of course, the extent of the effect depends on several factors. An example is countries affected by trade restrictions, some of them will adopt bitcoin or crypto as one of their options to buy/sell, just like Iran did.
There will always be an impact from all situations that occur in the world, including of course, economic trade wars which will at least affect the movement of bitcoin, but I agree with you that the impact depends on which countries are in conflict and who are directly affected. So it is not wrong that there will be alternatives that can, be done so that it can continue to run and bitcoin is an alternative that can be done to release the constraints of the impact.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: enwi on February 14, 2025, 12:28:12 PM
Yes, an economic trade war can potentially impact Bitcoin current state, but of course, the extent of the effect depends on several factors. An example is countries affected by trade restrictions, some of them will adopt bitcoin or crypto as one of their options to buy/sell, just like Iran did.
There will always be an impact from all situations that occur in the world, including of course, economic trade wars which will at least affect the movement of bitcoin, but I agree with you that the impact depends on which countries are in conflict and who are directly affected. So it is not wrong that there will be alternatives that can, be done so that it can continue to run and bitcoin is an alternative that can be done to release the constraints of the impact.
Indeed it is very clear that any major event in the world does affect one way or the other different fronts from the financial market to digital assets. This is because the vagaries in the world economy make people search for other avenues to be able to continue with their operations without heavily leaning on this system which is affected. Bitcoin remains one of the choices that can be considered as usable in this case due to the nature of Bitcoin that is more or less not depending on the policies of a particular country. When many parties begin searching for ways and means of surviving in certain conditions, the peculiarities of assets which are available to a large number of people and which are not specific to particular companies are undoubtedly considered. In this manner, due to further constant monitoring of the existing developments it is then possible to understand how to approach every development that occurs.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: omori on February 14, 2025, 12:57:06 PM
There will be no clear economic war in the coming months, and therefore its clear effects will not appear until Q4 of this year (if it happens). Since we expect this to happen in Q2 of this year, I do not expect these wars to have an impact on the rising peak of this cycle.
I think what you said is real and true, and I agree with what you said that there is no economic war in the next few months or maybe even until the end of this year, and it will remain safe and under control.
So the cycle that should happen will run well, and my estimate is also that it will be in Q2 or Q3, of course we have to be patient about this.

My thoughts too.
2025 is the year for the rally to shine through in the end.
 8)
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: philipma1957 on February 14, 2025, 03:01:27 PM
Guys what world are you all living in. THE MUSKY Trumpeter  just declared tariffs on every country in the world.

They go into effect April 1st.

Basically this will cost every person in the world some money as prices will go up a bit everywhere.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: 0t3p0t on February 14, 2025, 03:14:46 PM
2025 is the year for the rally to shine through in the end.
 8)
Since we are currently on the four year cyle it really is possible to make new all time high this year and we will expect 2026 would be the start of bearish cycle which was supposed to happen every after bullrun so yeah I wish we all make gains this time.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: Aanuoluwatofunmi on February 14, 2025, 07:05:59 PM
World economic activities can cause a little or slightly changes in the bitcoin market price, we have to understand the effect of financial and economic news and how they play a specific role in determining for the state of the market on whether the investors will be buying or dumping for a certain reason, all these works out for us as we have wanted, only if we take a serious cognizance for the market season.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: rizqillah on February 14, 2025, 11:16:15 PM
World economic activities can cause a little or slightly changes in the bitcoin market price, we have to understand the effect of financial and economic news and how they play a specific role in determining for the state of the market on whether the investors will be buying or dumping for a certain reason, all these works out for us as we have wanted, only if we take a serious cognizance for the market season.
world activity does affect the price of bitcoin and altcoin, but by holding we will see the price will rise again according to the 4-year cycle. so in investing in bitcoin we don't need to worry because the longer we hold the more expensive our bitcoin will be.
and the advice for long-term holding, in my opinion is the best way to invest in crypto.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: Rruchi man on February 14, 2025, 11:44:52 PM
do you think the current US economic war with some countries will alter the current Bull run? Your thoughts.
The United States is a major player in the world economy. If they get into an economic war with another country like the world player, also in the world's economy, almost all economic activities, including the cryptocurrency market, may likely get affected. Those are examples of activities with enough magnitude to affect crypto IMO.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: philipma1957 on February 15, 2025, 12:07:32 AM
2025 is the year for the rally to shine through in the end.
 8)
Since we are currently on the four year cyle it really is possible to make new all time high this year and we will expect 2026 would be the start of bearish cycle which was supposed to happen every after bullrun so yeah I wish we all make gains this time.


I do not see any evidence that the four year cycle  is what it used to be.

We hit a new ATH before the 1/2 a first. And we may not go over 109k for this entire year.

I am hoping I am wrong but the retreat to gold that has happened since trump got into office makes me nervous.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: Bobcrypto on February 15, 2025, 07:49:22 AM
Every investor has the choice to swing to other investments options like Gold, but I think crypto remains an enviable best investments options, and with the growing pace of Bitcoin in on it's 15 years of existence, it is obvious that the future is very bright and there will be a massive returns for investors in near future.
Generally, i think an economic trade war has huge effects on the world economy even cryptocurrency has been affected too, an evidence of the current dips.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: KryptoBull on February 15, 2025, 09:23:29 AM
Every investor has the choice to swing to other investments options like Gold, but I think crypto remains an enviable best investments options, and with the growing pace of Bitcoin in on it's 15 years of existence, it is obvious that the future is very bright and there will be a massive returns for investors in near future.
Generally, i think an economic trade war has huge effects on the world economy even cryptocurrency has been affected too, an evidence of the current dips.
Currently, in the context of an unstable economy due to political decisions, Gold is the safest choice for investors. And the fact is, we have seen the impressive price increase of Gold while stocks and crypto have declined.

However, investors can look long-term and believe in the success of crypto in 2025 to continue buying and holding. It is very difficult to see Gold prices increase by 50%, but BTC could totally do this in the next few months to reach the 150K USD range if the trade war ends quickly thanks to agreements between countries.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: EluguHcman on February 15, 2025, 01:07:20 PM
[quote author=Bobcrypto
Now, we hear about economic war that I called a coincidence on the current bull run. I'm just being curious, do you think the current US economic war with some countries will alter the current Bull run? Your thoughts.
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When there is an economy crisis, it affects the Bitcoin market as there would be no revenues of income to use in executing public and interpersonal projects and holders might be alternated to sell their Bitcoin for the reason or the other side is that... It may bring poor adoption volume and even, investors might face it tough season to buy more of Bitcoin to their portfolio.

So this occasion might not really opt a bull run but a bear.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: martinex on February 16, 2025, 01:14:32 PM
When there is an economy crisis, it affects the Bitcoin market as there would be no revenues of income to use in executing public and interpersonal projects and holders might be alternated to sell their Bitcoin for the reason or the other side is that... It may bring poor adoption volume and even, investors might face it tough season to buy more of Bitcoin to their portfolio.

So this occasion might not really opt a bull run but a bear.

Those who make policies are also former entrepreneurs and those who are affected are also entrepreneurs. This trade war is quite confusing for market players where protectionist trade policies and economic sanctions can disrupt their performance and investor confidence is always hampered by convoluted policies so that the final impact is an economic war.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: dekafee79 on February 16, 2025, 03:26:18 PM
Every investor has the choice to swing to other investments options like Gold, but I think crypto remains an enviable best investments options, and with the growing pace of Bitcoin in on it's 15 years of existence, it is obvious that the future is very bright and there will be a massive returns for investors in near future.
Generally, i think an economic trade war has huge effects on the world economy even cryptocurrency has been affected too, an evidence of the current dips.
Currently, in the context of an unstable economy due to political decisions, Gold is the safest choice for investors. And the fact is, we have seen the impressive price increase of Gold while stocks and crypto have declined.

However, investors can look long-term and believe in the success of crypto in 2025 to continue buying and holding. It is very difficult to see Gold prices increase by 50%, but BTC could totally do this in the next few months to reach the 150K USD range if the trade war ends quickly thanks to agreements between countries.
If you compare  Bitcoin and gold, which can provide a higher profit and even reach 50% of course Bitcoin will be our choice.
 But we have to buy it when the bearish season, because at this time the price of Bitcoin is already high, of course the risk is bigger.
 Gold is the choice of investors who don't want to take a big risk by buying Crypto.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: target on February 16, 2025, 03:44:46 PM
Every investor has the choice to swing to other investments options like Gold, but I think crypto remains an enviable best investments options, and with the growing pace of Bitcoin in on it's 15 years of existence, it is obvious that the future is very bright and there will be a massive returns for investors in near future.
Generally, i think an economic trade war has huge effects on the world economy even cryptocurrency has been affected too, an evidence of the current dips.
Currently, in the context of an unstable economy due to political decisions, Gold is the safest choice for investors. And the fact is, we have seen the impressive price increase of Gold while stocks and crypto have declined.

However, investors can look long-term and believe in the success of crypto in 2025 to continue buying and holding. It is very difficult to see Gold prices increase by 50%, but BTC could totally do this in the next few months to reach the 150K USD range if the trade war ends quickly thanks to agreements between countries.
If you compare  Bitcoin and gold, which can provide a higher profit and even reach 50% of course Bitcoin will be our choice.
 But we have to buy it when the bearish season, because at this time the price of Bitcoin is already high, of course the risk is bigger.
 Gold is the choice of investors who don't want to take a big risk by buying Crypto.

Must be the reason why gold is skyrocketing, well known personalities that have been criticizing BTC have been saying Gold price will be $5k in few weeks.

Experience traders in crypto are warning investors that the price will dump to 91k again and even CZ was saying price could also dip to 80k. If this is what they are saying, the newbies following them will sell because of them especially because its price is slowly going that way.

Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: philipma1957 on February 16, 2025, 06:30:46 PM
Every investor has the choice to swing to other investments options like Gold, but I think crypto remains an enviable best investments options, and with the growing pace of Bitcoin in on it's 15 years of existence, it is obvious that the future is very bright and there will be a massive returns for investors in near future.
Generally, i think an economic trade war has huge effects on the world economy even cryptocurrency has been affected too, an evidence of the current dips.
Currently, in the context of an unstable economy due to political decisions, Gold is the safest choice for investors. And the fact is, we have seen the impressive price increase of Gold while stocks and crypto have declined.

However, investors can look long-term and believe in the success of crypto in 2025 to continue buying and holding. It is very difficult to see Gold prices increase by 50%, but BTC could totally do this in the next few months to reach the 150K USD range if the trade war ends quickly thanks to agreements between countries.
If you compare  Bitcoin and gold, which can provide a higher profit and even reach 50% of course Bitcoin will be our choice.
 But we have to buy it when the bearish season, because at this time the price of Bitcoin is already high, of course the risk is bigger.
 Gold is the choice of investors who don't want to take a big risk by buying Crypto.

Must be the reason why gold is skyrocketing, well known personalities that have been criticizing BTC have been saying Gold price will be $5k in few weeks.

Experience traders in crypto are warning investors that the price will dump to 91k again and even CZ was saying price could also dip to 80k. If this is what they are saying, the newbies following them will sell because of them especially because its price is slowly going that way.

It looks to me like the musky trumpeter has broken the 4 year pattern we have been used to.

We need more time to see if I am correct but I truly see an end in site to 4 year cycles
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: 0t3p0t on February 16, 2025, 06:47:52 PM
I do not see any evidence that the four year cycle  is what it used to be.

We hit a new ATH before the 1/2 a first. And we may not go over 109k for this entire year.

I am hoping I am wrong but the retreat to gold that has happened since trump got into office makes me nervous.
Well, for me it is too early to conclude for now because we are just on the half of the first quarter of this year so maybe things will get bullish somewhere between I should say third to fourth quarter which crypto or Bitcoin started to go uptrend based on its previous cycle so yeah.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: Stompix on February 16, 2025, 06:50:36 PM
Some here don't understand the impact of a trade war.
It means a lot of jobs, expensive goods, uncertainty, and investors stopping expansion projects and new business, it means recession!
Where do you think the money in such a situation to keep BTC and altcoins afloat will come?

From people who have no job and are diving into their savings?
Every single business in both Canada and the US is on its toes with this stuff and you think everything will be fine?

Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: philipma1957 on February 19, 2025, 03:59:01 PM
Some here don't understand the impact of a trade war.
It means a lot of jobs, expensive goods, uncertainty, and investors stopping expansion projects and new business, it means recession!
Where do you think the money in such a situation to keep BTC and altcoins afloat will come?

From people who have no job and are diving into their savings?
Every single business in both Canada and the US is on its toes with this stuff and you think everything will be fine?

yeah looks like musky trumpeter will attempt to crater the worlds economy. Cause mass USA riots. So he can use the military under marshall law. Suspending the constitution and stay in power til he dies from old age.

or not and the teardown of the US gov works brilliantly and both the US and its new 51st state Canada thrives.


The issue I see that seems to motivate Trump is he has realized Russia 🇷🇺 can and will melt the icecaps.


Not to side with anyone but Russia has vast amounts of frozen land that is extremely fertile and melting the icecaps is in Russias best interest.

If you believe that statement then Greenland Canada and Alaska will gain as they also have a lot of frozen land.

So not to side with Trump and Russia  but I see those sentences I just wrote. As a driving force in Trumps actions.

I am not the sharpest pencil in the box 📦 but I think others have come to this conclusion.

On the good side Eth fucked itself and they no longer burn power to melt the icecaps. So I see ETH DYING OFF. but btc and scrypt should thrive if my analysis is correct.

So be like Jjg and dca your btc.

also get guns.

I have two shotguns and a flare gun so far.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: Stompix on February 19, 2025, 08:49:03 PM
Not to side with anyone but Russia has vast amounts of frozen land that is extremely fertile and melting the icecaps is in Russias best interest.

That frozen land is useless.
The taiga is not suitable for anything, large vast forest of spruce and pine on hilly lands, nothing to do there but chop trees.
The tundra is just a rocky coastline where nothing grows.
That leaves the southern inland portion of Siberia which is covered in permafrost, rocks, and ice and once the ice melts will turn into something like Nevada as the wind will turn the rocks into sand and then into a desert.

Other than the northern passage for ships Russia has little to gain from global warming, it will actually put pressure on the rich fertile soil in the southern part of the country.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: philipma1957 on February 19, 2025, 10:00:20 PM
Not to side with anyone but Russia has vast amounts of frozen land that is extremely fertile and melting the icecaps is in Russias best interest.

That frozen land is useless.
The taiga is not suitable for anything, large vast forest of spruce and pine on hilly lands, nothing to do there but chop trees.
The tundra is just a rocky coastline where nothing grows.
That leaves the southern inland portion of Siberia which is covered in permafrost, rocks, and ice and once the ice melts will turn into something like Nevada as the wind will turn the rocks into sand and then into a desert.

Other than the northern passage for ships Russia has little to gain from global warming, it will actually put pressure on the rich fertile soil in the southern part of the country.

I know a lot about alaskan and Siberian tundra. my sources say the land is very fertile once it gets thawed out.

but maybe my sources are wrong and you are correct.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: rizqillah on February 19, 2025, 11:05:31 PM
I do not see any evidence that the four year cycle  is what it used to be.

We hit a new ATH before the 1/2 a first. And we may not go over 109k for this entire year.

I am hoping I am wrong but the retreat to gold that has happened since trump got into office makes me nervous.
Well, for me it is too early to conclude for now because we are just on the half of the first quarter of this year so maybe things will get bullish somewhere between I should say third to fourth quarter which crypto or Bitcoin started to go uptrend based on its previous cycle so yeah.
We should wait, I agree with you, this is only the first quarter, maybe we should hold on until the middle of this year if we want maximum profit. But I think we will see a decline at the end of this year so be more careful holding our coins at that time, don't get caught because the price has moved down
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: dave_strider on February 20, 2025, 10:27:14 AM
We should wait, I agree with you, this is only the first quarter, maybe we should hold on until the middle of this year if we want maximum profit. But I think we will see a decline at the end of this year so be more careful holding our coins at that time, don't get caught because the price has moved down

2025 should be a bullish year. So we should accumulate now, hodl till the end of the year, and then proceed to fix the creams.
 8)
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: itscryzie on February 20, 2025, 02:11:53 PM
I do not see any evidence that the four year cycle  is what it used to be.

We hit a new ATH before the 1/2 a first. And we may not go over 109k for this entire year.

I am hoping I am wrong but the retreat to gold that has happened since trump got into office makes me nervous.
Well, for me it is too early to conclude for now because we are just on the half of the first quarter of this year so maybe things will get bullish somewhere between I should say third to fourth quarter which crypto or Bitcoin started to go uptrend based on its previous cycle so yeah.
We should wait, I agree with you, this is only the first quarter, maybe we should hold on until the middle of this year if we want maximum profit. But I think we will see a decline at the end of this year so be more careful holding our coins at that time, don't get caught because the price has moved down

The crypto market is always unpredictable, and it seems like growth could start closer to the third or fourth quarter. But also important to consider that a correction is possible at the end of the year, so it's wise to be cautious with long-term holdings.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: philipma1957 on February 20, 2025, 07:43:17 PM
We should wait, I agree with you, this is only the first quarter, maybe we should hold on until the middle of this year if we want maximum profit. But I think we will see a decline at the end of this year so be more careful holding our coins at that time, don't get caught because the price has moved down

2025 should be a bullish year. So we should accumulate now, hodl till the end of the year, and then proceed to fix the creams.
 8)

Ice cream for Dec 2025 yea.

I am kind of considering 2025 to be a lost year. Maybe 2026 will be better and we are viewing a new different cycle

Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: yohananaomi on February 21, 2025, 03:01:15 AM
I do not see any evidence that the four year cycle  is what it used to be.

We hit a new ATH before the 1/2 a first. And we may not go over 109k for this entire year.

I am hoping I am wrong but the retreat to gold that has happened since trump got into office makes me nervous.
Well, for me it is too early to conclude for now because we are just on the half of the first quarter of this year so maybe things will get bullish somewhere between I should say third to fourth quarter which crypto or Bitcoin started to go uptrend based on its previous cycle so yeah.
We should wait, I agree with you, this is only the first quarter, maybe we should hold on until the middle of this year if we want maximum profit. But I think we will see a decline at the end of this year so be more careful holding our coins at that time, don't get caught because the price has moved down
The peak has not been shown yet, and we need to be patient and what you said is true. We have just entered Q1, and it seems that the awaited increase may be in Q2 or Q3, and please be patient about that. I totally agree that after the increase there will usually be a deep correction for that always be alert and set a goal to release later and not miss the momentum for that.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: philipma1957 on February 22, 2025, 03:06:30 PM
I do not see any evidence that the four year cycle  is what it used to be.

We hit a new ATH before the 1/2 a first. And we may not go over 109k for this entire year.

I am hoping I am wrong but the retreat to gold that has happened since trump got into office makes me nervous.
Well, for me it is too early to conclude for now because we are just on the half of the first quarter of this year so maybe things will get bullish somewhere between I should say third to fourth quarter which crypto or Bitcoin started to go uptrend based on its previous cycle so yeah.
We should wait, I agree with you, this is only the first quarter, maybe we should hold on until the middle of this year if we want maximum profit. But I think we will see a decline at the end of this year so be more careful holding our coins at that time, don't get caught because the price has moved down
The peak has not been shown yet, and we need to be patient and what you said is true. We have just entered Q1, and it seems that the awaited increase may be in Q2 or Q3, and please be patient about that. I totally agree that after the increase there will usually be a deep correction for that always be alert and set a goal to release later and not miss the momentum for that.

I do not know if you are correct as Trump is shifting a lot of stuff in the world as I type.

It very well may be that the 109.3 k was the high and that all the hope for Trump and crypto was false.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: Mia Chloe on February 22, 2025, 03:24:55 PM
I do not know if you are correct as Trump is shifting a lot of stuff in the world as I type.
It very well may be that the 109.3 k was the high and that all the hope for Trump and crypto was false.
Back then during the campaigns for the US election and after the US election when the whole crypto market was in a general bull everyone out there especially Bitcoin enthusiasts seemed to be supporting trump and many were of the opinion that the trump effect was the main cause of the bull.

However for some reason lately you're seem to be so many discussion kind of against the current moves trump has been making and I'm still a little surprised about the whole thing.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: target on February 22, 2025, 04:04:23 PM

It looks to me like the musky trumpeter has broken the 4 year pattern we have been used to.

We need more time to see if I am correct but I truly see an end in site to 4 year cycles

If its the case though there will be more people thinking the the price will continue to go up. This slight adjustment could just be a dip might will still scare the hell out of the traders thinking the bears are taking over.

When I saw a popular trader was converting his BTC to USDT days ago, I'm also doing it. Having them on USDT is a safer but I'm keeping the half as is because this preparation is just to buy whenever BTC really drop as low as possible.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: robelneo on February 22, 2025, 06:12:07 PM
We have to see the impact in the coming months, but the general consensus of the community is it will not. We are still in the bull run, and even the reports of hacking by the Lazarus group did not shake up the market; the bull run is well established.
Trump should stop making unpopular decisions; his America First policy is getting negative feedback from the international community.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: Stompix on February 22, 2025, 06:47:25 PM
~

I know a lot about alaskan and Siberian tundra. my sources say the land is very fertile once it gets thawed out.
but maybe my sources are wrong and you are correct.

I don't know a thing about what Alaska looks like but the thing about Siberia is that it will become good for agriculture but not in our lifetime, in most places it's just one or two inches of topsoil, you plow that and it's rock and actual sand beneath from glaciers plowing the soil.
It needs anywhere from 200 to even 500 years of vegetation and sediment deposits to become anything like the Midwest for example.

It will grow through different stages, once the ice is gone there will be swamps, then karsts funnels everywhere and drained lakes, then sedimentatio,n and by the time our grandchildren forget who we were finally suitable for agriculture.

Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: dave_strider on February 23, 2025, 08:33:47 PM
I do not know if you are correct as Trump is shifting a lot of stuff in the world as I type.

It very well may be that the 109.3 k was the high and that all the hope for Trump and crypto was false.

Maybe.
He is a wild card, so nothing is off the table.

I do think that he plays with the world to see its reaction to his bulldozer-like nature.
 8)
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: doc on February 23, 2025, 10:35:50 PM
We have to see the impact in the coming months, but the general consensus of the community is it will not. We are still in the bull run, and even the reports of hacking by the Lazarus group did not shake up the market; the bull run is well established.
Trump should stop making unpopular decisions; his America First policy is getting negative feedback from the international community.
I am also waiting for what Trump will do, what policies Trump will issue so that the price of Bitcoin and altcoins will soar again. The hacking issue has an impact on the crypto market which is not showing good progress, so the price of altcoins seems to still be struggling.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: enwi on February 24, 2025, 10:26:29 PM
We have to see the impact in the coming months, but the general consensus of the community is it will not. We are still in the bull run, and even the reports of hacking by the Lazarus group did not shake up the market; the bull run is well established.
Trump should stop making unpopular decisions; his America First policy is getting negative feedback from the international community.
I am also waiting for what Trump will do, what policies Trump will issue so that the price of Bitcoin and altcoins will soar again. The hacking issue has an impact on the crypto market which is not showing good progress, so the price of altcoins seems to still be struggling.
The policies formulated by leaders in the world like Trump most undoubtedly play a significant role when it comes to the shift of the market including the crypto assets. It is still too early after the Trump took the office of presidency, and many parties are still waiting for the actions to be made to determine which direction of the policies may alter the value of Bitcoins and altcoins. Unstable business environment does create pressure within the market especially for anything that is felt to affect the investors. However, the market is dynamic and shifts according to certain factors; shifts can happen from time to time. Using this logic, it is possible to better analyse new events and comprehend which action will lead to the changes in the market. Therefore, being calm and following the available information one is better placed to handle any possibility that may come along.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: bhadz on February 24, 2025, 11:58:34 PM
With the fundamentals that we see, we can say that it has an affection to the market and we can't ignore that. From the pandemic, to elections and wars, there has got something to do with it. Or if it's not, then it has some influence towards it. That's why if you go ahead and learn some of these matters that you can connect the dots, you might have an idea on how it goes but still, all are unpredictable.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: tequilla_sunset on February 25, 2025, 09:44:12 AM
With the fundamentals that we see, we can say that it has an affection to the market and we can't ignore that. From the pandemic, to elections and wars, there has got something to do with it. Or if it's not, then it has some influence towards it. That's why if you go ahead and learn some of these matters that you can connect the dots, you might have an idea on how it goes but still, all are unpredictable.

Knowledge is not affected by the news, it always works, and it is always viable to keep grinding it.

Because in the end, you are the one who is taking action, not the suggestions that are poured in your ears.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: yohananaomi on February 27, 2025, 03:22:23 AM
We have to see the impact in the coming months, but the general consensus of the community is it will not. We are still in the bull run, and even the reports of hacking by the Lazarus group did not shake up the market; the bull run is well established.
Trump should stop making unpopular decisions; his America First policy is getting negative feedback from the international community.
I am also waiting for what Trump will do, what policies Trump will issue so that the price of Bitcoin and altcoins will soar again. The hacking issue has an impact on the crypto market which is not showing good progress, so the price of altcoins seems to still be struggling.
The policies formulated by leaders in the world like Trump most undoubtedly play a significant role when it comes to the shift of the market including the crypto assets. It is still too early after the Trump took the office of presidency, and many parties are still waiting for the actions to be made to determine which direction of the policies may alter the value of Bitcoins and altcoins. Unstable business environment does create pressure within the market especially for anything that is felt to affect the investors. However, the market is dynamic and shifts according to certain factors; shifts can happen from time to time. Using this logic, it is possible to better analyse new events and comprehend which action will lead to the changes in the market. Therefore, being calm and following the available information one is better placed to handle any possibility that may come along.
Yes, it is inevitable that all policies by world leaders will greatly affect, especially if it is Trump where as a big country, the influence is very real and cannot be denied what policies are implemented later so that it will have a great impact on bitcoin and altcoins.
Besides that, there are also many factors that can affect, as you said, the unstable business situation, hacked Bybit information and many others.
Agree that we can always remain calm in any situation, especially with information that continues to develop at this time.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: vegasus on February 27, 2025, 11:10:11 PM
With the fundamentals that we see, we can say that it has an affection to the market and we can't ignore that. From the pandemic, to elections and wars, there has got something to do with it. Or if it's not, then it has some influence towards it. That's why if you go ahead and learn some of these matters that you can connect the dots, you might have an idea on how it goes but still, all are unpredictable.
Yes, it is indeed a fundamental factor that often affects market conditions. Whether it is FUD or good news, if it is related to crypto, it will definitely have a fairly high influence. There have been many times when FUD has caused the market to go down, even a bearish came too quickly. And conversely, good news can really make the prices of coins fly very quickly. So, we can indeed pay attention to what is happening in this world globally so that we can see what we should do later.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: rizqillah on March 02, 2025, 01:50:14 PM
With the fundamentals that we see, we can say that it has an affection to the market and we can't ignore that. From the pandemic, to elections and wars, there has got something to do with it. Or if it's not, then it has some influence towards it. That's why if you go ahead and learn some of these matters that you can connect the dots, you might have an idea on how it goes but still, all are unpredictable.
Yes, it is indeed a fundamental factor that often affects market conditions. Whether it is FUD or good news, if it is related to crypto, it will definitely have a fairly high influence. There have been many times when FUD has caused the market to go down, even a bearish came too quickly. And conversely, good news can really make the prices of coins fly very quickly. So, we can indeed pay attention to what is happening in this world globally so that we can see what we should do later.
In investing in crypto we must pay attention to global economic conditions, because it will also affect the crypto market.
We do not only look at the habits of the seasons in the crypto market, but we wait for good news that can make prices soar.
because the market is corrected when we see FUD, that's what happens all the time.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: enwi on March 05, 2025, 11:59:32 PM
With the fundamentals that we see, we can say that it has an affection to the market and we can't ignore that. From the pandemic, to elections and wars, there has got something to do with it. Or if it's not, then it has some influence towards it. That's why if you go ahead and learn some of these matters that you can connect the dots, you might have an idea on how it goes but still, all are unpredictable.
Yes, it is indeed a fundamental factor that often affects market conditions. Whether it is FUD or good news, if it is related to crypto, it will definitely have a fairly high influence. There have been many times when FUD has caused the market to go down, even a bearish came too quickly. And conversely, good news can really make the prices of coins fly very quickly. So, we can indeed pay attention to what is happening in this world globally so that we can see what we should do later.
In investing in crypto we must pay attention to global economic conditions, because it will also affect the crypto market.
We do not only look at the habits of the seasons in the crypto market, but we wait for good news that can make prices soar.
because the market is corrected when we see FUD, that's what happens all the time.
The movement of the crypto market does not only depend on the seasonality but also on some other factors such as the world’s economy. It is very possible to have a surge in prices especially when there is a positive news on the other hand correction is very possible whenever there is uncertainty. It is for this reason, I always recommended that we keep abreast with the market so as not to be caught up in the panic especially when the market is declining. Fluctuations of sentiment occur randomly and any right decision should not be made when one is emotionally charged. If these pieces of information are well utilised, there is the potential to make a profit at any times of the fluctuating market.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: yohananaomi on March 06, 2025, 06:45:41 PM
With the fundamentals that we see, we can say that it has an affection to the market and we can't ignore that. From the pandemic, to elections and wars, there has got something to do with it. Or if it's not, then it has some influence towards it. That's why if you go ahead and learn some of these matters that you can connect the dots, you might have an idea on how it goes but still, all are unpredictable.
Yes, it is indeed a fundamental factor that often affects market conditions. Whether it is FUD or good news, if it is related to crypto, it will definitely have a fairly high influence. There have been many times when FUD has caused the market to go down, even a bearish came too quickly. And conversely, good news can really make the prices of coins fly very quickly. So, we can indeed pay attention to what is happening in this world globally so that we can see what we should do later.
In investing in crypto we must pay attention to global economic conditions, because it will also affect the crypto market.
We do not only look at the habits of the seasons in the crypto market, but we wait for good news that can make prices soar.
because the market is corrected when we see FUD, that's what happens all the time.
The movement of the crypto market does not only depend on the seasonality but also on some other factors such as the world’s economy. It is very possible to have a surge in prices especially when there is a positive news on the other hand correction is very possible whenever there is uncertainty. It is for this reason, I always recommended that we keep abreast with the market so as not to be caught up in the panic especially when the market is declining. Fluctuations of sentiment occur randomly and any right decision should not be made when one is emotionally charged. If these pieces of information are well utilised, there is the potential to make a profit at any times of the fluctuating market.
Indeed, the reality is, as you say, that many references can occur from many factors that exist for movement.
Rising and down all can occur because of the factors which will affect the movement. Both will increase and negatives will occur that are not chill.
The reason that you suggest keeping following all developments is very good and, indeed, all who make investments so that things can not be missed that can be triggered.
But once again, all of that is the basis, and you determine whether it will do that or not, but with risks that might occur that are not according to your wishes.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: Stompix on March 06, 2025, 07:41:32 PM
There have been many times when FUD has caused the market to go down, even a bearish came too quickly. And conversely, good news can really make the prices of coins fly very quickly. So, we can indeed pay attention to what is happening in this world globally so that we can see what we should do later.

Every time the market goes down it's FUD for some!

No, it's as Clear As The Sky, the fucking trade war will ruin a lot of the global economy, it has just begin and there are companies bleeding already.
What do you thnk the people left unemployed will do, buy bitcoins with their debt they can't because they don't have a job?
What is going to happen if prices go up again and the FED will have nothing to do but raise the rates, how was that last time?

Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: yohananaomi on March 10, 2025, 11:18:23 AM
There have been many times when FUD has caused the market to go down, even a bearish came too quickly. And conversely, good news can really make the prices of coins fly very quickly. So, we can indeed pay attention to what is happening in this world globally so that we can see what we should do later.
Every time the market goes down it's FUD for some!

No, it's as Clear As The Sky, the fucking trade war will ruin a lot of the global economy, it has just begin and there are companies bleeding already.
What do you thnk the people left unemployed will do, buy bitcoins with their debt they can't because they don't have a job?
What is going to happen if prices go up again and the FED will have nothing to do but raise the rates, how was that last time?
I don't think unemployed people will have the funds to buy bitcoin at the already very high price even though it's currently down overall from a few days ago.
especially with debt, it's certainly very risky to do because they might not be able to pay the installments, there is no better way for unemployed people to invest if they don't have funds that are already available.
there will be no effect on what will happen with bitcoin increasing, the FED will definitely still have anticipations that can be done.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: dekafee79 on March 11, 2025, 07:36:48 PM
There have been many times when FUD has caused the market to go down, even a bearish came too quickly. And conversely, good news can really make the prices of coins fly very quickly. So, we can indeed pay attention to what is happening in this world globally so that we can see what we should do later.
Every time the market goes down it's FUD for some!

No, it's as Clear As The Sky, the fucking trade war will ruin a lot of the global economy, it has just begin and there are companies bleeding already.
What do you thnk the people left unemployed will do, buy bitcoins with their debt they can't because they don't have a job?
What is going to happen if prices go up again and the FED will have nothing to do but raise the rates, how was that last time?
I don't think unemployed people will have the funds to buy bitcoin at the already very high price even though it's currently down overall from a few days ago.
especially with debt, it's certainly very risky to do because they might not be able to pay the installments, there is no better way for unemployed people to invest if they don't have funds that are already available.
there will be no effect on what will happen with bitcoin increasing, the FED will definitely still have anticipations that can be done.
There are actually many things that can be done by those who do not have funds to invest in bitcoin. They can participate in airdrops and signature bounties, so they can get rewards for investing.
so even though they are unemployed they can still earn income.
the price of bitcoin is indeed high, but we can buy it according to the money we have.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: Stompix on March 11, 2025, 08:04:37 PM
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I don't think unemployed people will have the funds to buy bitcoin at the already very high price even though it's currently down overall from a few days ago.

Of course they won't, but god forbid you try to speak some sense into people here!
If we're facing a recession, job loss, trade war, who is going to buy crypto with the money they don't have?

We have been in two crises the last decade, the covid scare and the Russian invasion, how did Bitcoin perform? It crashed!
We had high inflation then, how did it do? It went down!

Anyone who thinks pennyless people will rush to buy crypto with money they don't have lives in lalaland and needs a check-up!
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: sampoerna on March 11, 2025, 11:41:38 PM
Anyone who thinks pennyless people will rush to buy crypto with money they don't have lives in lalaland and needs a check-up!
Indeed, and forcing ourselves to take out a loan to be able to buy crypto to invest with high hopes without multiplying the results?
Big NO, either.
(although we actually encounter this case a lot)
However, for those of us who have been in crypto for a long time or for people with mature considerations, that cannot be done.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: tequilla_sunset on March 12, 2025, 09:18:41 AM
^ Yep.
A person should work toward stability first, and investing second.
One cannot start without another.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: doc on March 12, 2025, 02:06:23 PM
Anyone who thinks pennyless people will rush to buy crypto with money they don't have lives in lalaland and needs a check-up!
Indeed, and forcing ourselves to take out a loan to be able to buy crypto to invest with high hopes without multiplying the results?
Big NO, either.
(although we actually encounter this case a lot)
However, for those of us who have been in crypto for a long time or for people with mature considerations, that cannot be done.
Taking a loan to invest in crypto is not recommended and should not be done because we understand the risks of investing in crypto and borrowed money requires us to pay according to maturity while the crypto market is difficult to predict. This is a consideration for not taking a loan.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: taufik123 on March 12, 2025, 10:09:42 PM
Taking a loan to invest in crypto is not recommended and should not be done because we understand the risks of investing in crypto and borrowed money requires us to pay according to maturity while the crypto market is difficult to predict. This is a consideration for not taking a loan.
There will be more and more burdens to bear when you have to borrow just to invest in crypto.
Instead of solving the problem, it will add new problems with installments that must be paid every month and yes, crypto is unpredictable and there will be no definite income when starting to invest or trade, even losses will occur if the market is still in bearish mode like today.
It's better to stay away from borrowing for any reason and get into crypto.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: enwi on March 13, 2025, 08:24:12 AM
Taking a loan to invest in crypto is not recommended and should not be done because we understand the risks of investing in crypto and borrowed money requires us to pay according to maturity while the crypto market is difficult to predict. This is a consideration for not taking a loan.
There will be more and more burdens to bear when you have to borrow just to invest in crypto.
Instead of solving the problem, it will add new problems with installments that must be paid every month and yes, crypto is unpredictable and there will be no definite income when starting to invest or trade, even losses will occur if the market is still in bearish mode like today.
It's better to stay away from borrowing for any reason and get into crypto.
It is extremely odd to take loans just to fund the investment, given the fact that one can earn a fixed amount of return from the digital currencies. The value of the assets shrinks with the current market and, at the same time, that there are constant demands for instalment payments. In fact, situations like this can create the pressure and interfere with further actions. However, when working with cash in the reserve, not taking financial obligations, we can take fewer emotional decisions because of extra liabilities. The crypto market does have prospects, but it is better not to add more problems in the subjects’ experiences from the beginning to make it harder for them later.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: albon on March 13, 2025, 10:02:08 AM
The recent decline in bitcoin prices has dampened investor confidence. Even with global economic turmoil and trade uncertainty, the market has become more volatile. However, several macroeconomic factors could also fuel a new upward trend. The imposition of tariffs by the US government has led to capital outflows from speculative assets, including cryptocurrencies as investors seek safe havens in the US. I think the trade war could have a lot of consequences for the economy, but it's not violent enough to change behavior so a breakout rally could happen this year.
Global economic instability has had a mixed impact of the bitcoin prices. While some investors see bitcoin as a hedge against inflation and financial uncertainty. Even the others tend to convert their risky assets into safe havens during times of uncertainty.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: snowpega on March 13, 2025, 11:18:33 AM
Now, we hear about economic war that I called a coincidence on the current bull run. I'm just being curious, do you think the current US economic war with some countries will alter the current Bull run? Your thoughts.

You have started a good topic for discussion, mate. Well, in my point of view, thats really matters: how much any country paying extra tax on any imported goods, If the rate of tariff is higher on any specific product, then obviously it will be available in the market at a higher rate, which in result can cause higher inflation, and we all know that inflation can highly effect the market sentiments and even it can effect the US stock market.

We know the recent CPI data rate was good but there is still inflation in America, like living expenses, According to one or maybe two days ago, I was reading a news headline that 1.75 trillion was wiped out of the US stock market, and also we can see crypto market performance as well; we all are down in losses.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: tequilla_sunset on March 13, 2025, 12:13:26 PM
^ The liquidity will pour back to the market eventually, what we see now is the uncertainty that engulfs most, big or small.

But it will be resolved as time goes on with the proper movement up, imo.
Because it's inevitable, the administration needs to get things up after they seem to be very much down  ;)
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: yohananaomi on March 13, 2025, 11:28:30 PM
Anyone who thinks pennyless people will rush to buy crypto with money they don't have lives in lalaland and needs a check-up!
Indeed, and forcing ourselves to take out a loan to be able to buy crypto to invest with high hopes without multiplying the results?
Big NO, either.
(although we actually encounter this case a lot)
However, for those of us who have been in crypto for a long time or for people with mature considerations, that cannot be done.
Too risky when forcing yourself to take a loan, but with the aim of not being able to produce greater than the borrowed, it is a big mistake that occurs. Borrowing must be measured by the ability to be able to restore well and without debt is very grateful and implemented.
There is always a calculation if you want to take a loan for investment in Crypto that is the ability to pay back. It needs to be taken into account so that there is no overlapping loss that can occur.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: tequilla_sunset on March 14, 2025, 09:17:27 AM
^ Yeah, truly.

There is no need to push every last penny into the investment department - otherwise, you would need to cash some of it along the way, breaking the whole process.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: yohananaomi on March 18, 2025, 02:25:24 AM
Taking a loan to invest in crypto is not recommended and should not be done because we understand the risks of investing in crypto and borrowed money requires us to pay according to maturity while the crypto market is difficult to predict. This is a consideration for not taking a loan.
There will be more and more burdens to bear when you have to borrow just to invest in crypto.
Instead of solving the problem, it will add new problems with installments that must be paid every month and yes, crypto is unpredictable and there will be no definite income when starting to invest or trade, even losses will occur if the market is still in bearish mode like today.
It's better to stay away from borrowing for any reason and get into crypto.
There will always be obstacles that occur if we borrow to invest in crypto, especially bitcoin. Some say that it is okay to borrow but at least be able to pay the installments properly. But if it is good, it is to use existing assets and not used and specifically for investment only.
But once again, all who know themselves are themselves and cannot follow the hearts of others who do not know our circumstances.
Once again, it all depends on yourself in borrow or not for invest. Acting sensibly that can be done.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: tequilla_sunset on March 18, 2025, 07:52:03 AM
There will always be obstacles that occur if we borrow to invest in crypto, especially bitcoin. Some say that it is okay to borrow but at least be able to pay the installments properly. But if it is good, it is to use existing assets and not used and specifically for investment only.
But once again, all who know themselves are themselves and cannot follow the hearts of others who do not know our circumstances.
Once again, it all depends on yourself in borrow or not for invest. Acting sensibly that can be done.

Depends on the person in question and how dire his situation is.

If it's not and he may be able to repay everything with his side jobs or the main job - no problems.
If he thinks he will repay the debt via the investment he may want to push through - nah, that won't end well.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: yohananaomi on March 21, 2025, 10:21:58 PM
There will always be obstacles that occur if we borrow to invest in crypto, especially bitcoin. Some say that it is okay to borrow but at least be able to pay the installments properly. But if it is good, it is to use existing assets and not used and specifically for investment only.
But once again, all who know themselves are themselves and cannot follow the hearts of others who do not know our circumstances.
Once again, it all depends on yourself in borrow or not for invest. Acting sensibly that can be done.
Depends on the person in question and how dire his situation is.

If it's not and he may be able to repay everything with his side jobs or the main job - no problems.
If he thinks he will repay the debt via the investment he may want to push through - nah, that won't end well.
It all comes down to the individual's ability to do what he can possibly do and no one else can know because the only one who knows is himself.
It could be that what you say is his ability, and we don't know and that can determine what will be done. I agree there is no problem to pay and the debt through the investment he may be able to continue and can produce according to the details he did.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: MUGNIA on March 22, 2025, 03:08:42 PM
Anyone who thinks pennyless people will rush to buy crypto with money they don't have lives in lalaland and needs a check-up!
Indeed, and forcing ourselves to take out a loan to be able to buy crypto to invest with high hopes without multiplying the results?
Big NO, either.
(although we actually encounter this case a lot)
However, for those of us who have been in crypto for a long time or for people with mature considerations, that cannot be done.
Too risky when forcing yourself to take a loan, but with the aim of not being able to produce greater than the borrowed, it is a big mistake that occurs. Borrowing must be measured by the ability to be able to restore well and without debt is very grateful and implemented.
There is always a calculation if you want to take a loan for investment in Crypto that is the ability to pay back. It needs to be taken into account so that there is no overlapping loss that can occur.

but the reality is that people today take crazy loans just for uncertain purposes, sometimes they borrow just for lifestyle, if it is true for business or investment then you are right to say we must estimate the limits of our payment capabilities and whether the business or investment we have can provide guarantees for payment
I personally prefer not to borrow, it is better to save and buy according to the funds available
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: rizqillah on March 22, 2025, 07:00:29 PM


but the reality is that people today take crazy loans just for uncertain purposes, sometimes they borrow just for lifestyle, if it is true for business or investment then you are right to say we must estimate the limits of our payment capabilities and whether the business or investment we have can provide guarantees for payment
I personally prefer not to borrow, it is better to save and buy according to the funds available
You are very wise in making decisions in investing by not going into debt and buying according to the available funds, we should save if we want to invest in large amounts.
because in bitcoin investment we can buy gradually with the DCA method, so we should avoid going into debt for investment.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: enwi on March 23, 2025, 11:40:36 AM


but the reality is that people today take crazy loans just for uncertain purposes, sometimes they borrow just for lifestyle, if it is true for business or investment then you are right to say we must estimate the limits of our payment capabilities and whether the business or investment we have can provide guarantees for payment
I personally prefer not to borrow, it is better to save and buy according to the funds available
You are very wise in making decisions in investing by not going into debt and buying according to the available funds, we should save if we want to invest in large amounts.
because in bitcoin investment we can buy gradually with the DCA method, so we should avoid going into debt for investment.
No debt financing is a better way of financing any project since the resources have to be sourced and utilized without necessarily borrowing. You know that the market can turn in any direction in short time and thus having complete say over your funds gives one better sense of security. Purchasing assets slowly gives the investor a way of remaining invested but they will not be caught up with too much of financial pressure. Even if the price dips low where it can be bought and diversions to other price oriented tasks can be made, you can still make good use of the opportunity at the lower price since no other task is limited by the price. Hence, investing can be something that is more managed and still has the possibility of making good money at worst and has extra costs for which it doesn’t need.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: dave_strider on March 24, 2025, 11:50:22 AM
You are very wise in making decisions in investing by not going into debt and buying according to the available funds, we should save if we want to invest in large amounts.
because in bitcoin investment we can buy gradually with the DCA method, so we should avoid going into debt for investment.

Totally right.

Btc is the way to go to stay afloat and keep the investment going.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: MUGNIA on March 24, 2025, 02:42:49 PM


but the reality is that people today take crazy loans just for uncertain purposes, sometimes they borrow just for lifestyle, if it is true for business or investment then you are right to say we must estimate the limits of our payment capabilities and whether the business or investment we have can provide guarantees for payment
I personally prefer not to borrow, it is better to save and buy according to the funds available
You are very wise in making decisions in investing by not going into debt and buying according to the available funds, we should save if we want to invest in large amounts.
because in bitcoin investment we can buy gradually with the DCA method, so we should avoid going into debt for investment.
not a wise problem, I said this I have experienced when I started a business with a loan without thinking about the risk, my business only lasted a few months, I was required to have to keep paying so that my credibility was good in loans, this is a lesson for me to start from 0 with minimal costs, as well as in the crypto system. DCA is actually very helpful for long-term investments,
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: tequilla_sunset on March 24, 2025, 05:20:40 PM
not a wise problem, I said this I have experienced when I started a business with a loan without thinking about the risk, my business only lasted a few months, I was required to have to keep paying so that my credibility was good in loans, this is a lesson for me to start from 0 with minimal costs, as well as in the crypto system. DCA is actually very helpful for long-term investments,

In crypto, we are our own kings.

And we can see far and beyond at where to put our efforts and funds to work.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: yohananaomi on March 24, 2025, 07:19:37 PM


but the reality is that people today take crazy loans just for uncertain purposes, sometimes they borrow just for lifestyle, if it is true for business or investment then you are right to say we must estimate the limits of our payment capabilities and whether the business or investment we have can provide guarantees for payment
I personally prefer not to borrow, it is better to save and buy according to the funds available
You are very wise in making decisions in investing by not going into debt and buying according to the available funds, we should save if we want to invest in large amounts.
because in bitcoin investment we can buy gradually with the DCA method, so we should avoid going into debt for investment.
not a wise problem, I said this I have experienced when I started a business with a loan without thinking about the risk, my business only lasted a few months, I was required to have to keep paying so that my credibility was good in loans, this is a lesson for me to start from 0 with minimal costs, as well as in the crypto system. DCA is actually very helpful for long-term investments,
I am not among those who do not like it if someone borrows for investment, which is clear but must be ensured in advance that every loan will be able to pay every month by not adding burden.
But if you do not have the ability to be able to pay, then there is no other way to avoid all forms of loans because you will be troubled by you later.
I agree more with DCA if there is no ability to be able to buy in full, because if painstaking, in the end, it can also be fulfilled.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: Blaze on March 24, 2025, 11:48:24 PM


but the reality is that people today take crazy loans just for uncertain purposes, sometimes they borrow just for lifestyle, if it is true for business or investment then you are right to say we must estimate the limits of our payment capabilities and whether the business or investment we have can provide guarantees for payment
I personally prefer not to borrow, it is better to save and buy according to the funds available
You are very wise in making decisions in investing by not going into debt and buying according to the available funds, we should save if we want to invest in large amounts.
because in bitcoin investment we can buy gradually with the DCA method, so we should avoid going into debt for investment.
not a wise problem, I said this I have experienced when I started a business with a loan without thinking about the risk, my business only lasted a few months, I was required to have to keep paying so that my credibility was good in loans, this is a lesson for me to start from 0 with minimal costs, as well as in the crypto system. DCA is actually very helpful for long-term investments,
I could also sense that this activity helped me learn many lessons that can be valuable in life. It attracts many people to start business through taking a loan then expand the business feels like a shortcut to grow faster, but it comes with much pressure when the plans do not work as planned. They can only survive in such conditions if they have to, all the while still having monetary obligations to attend to. One can consider being on a level of zero with less amount of money as an opportunity to learn with no pressure of initial capital. The concept of DCA is not unusual in the world of cryptos and has the same principle which means that one makes investments gradually and does not have to make large investments at once. In this manner, most dangers can be contained and its possibilities for development can still be achieved.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: Baofeng on March 25, 2025, 12:46:32 AM


but the reality is that people today take crazy loans just for uncertain purposes, sometimes they borrow just for lifestyle, if it is true for business or investment then you are right to say we must estimate the limits of our payment capabilities and whether the business or investment we have can provide guarantees for payment
I personally prefer not to borrow, it is better to save and buy according to the funds available
You are very wise in making decisions in investing by not going into debt and buying according to the available funds, we should save if we want to invest in large amounts.
because in bitcoin investment we can buy gradually with the DCA method, so we should avoid going into debt for investment.

For those who doesn't have collateral, it's very hard to loan and then invest it on Bitcoin. At least we should have a job so that in any case we still have some money to pay for that loan if we go that route.

But DCA is more safer, although again Michael Saylor uses this strategy as a leverage to borrow from banks, billions of it to invest in BTC. But for ordinary citizens like the majority of us, that is going to be very difficult method as the risk is very very high.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: MUGNIA on March 25, 2025, 12:56:03 PM

But if you do not have the ability to be able to pay, then there is no other way to avoid all forms of loans because you will be troubled by you later.
I agree more with DCA if there is no ability to be able to buy in full, because if painstaking, in the end, it can also be fulfilled.
In my opinion, the DCA system is the best for people who want to invest but have limited funds, maybe from coins that do not have a price above $ 100 or we can choose which coins can provide significant profits in the short and long term.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: densus88 on March 26, 2025, 07:13:02 PM

But if you do not have the ability to be able to pay, then there is no other way to avoid all forms of loans because you will be troubled by you later.
I agree more with DCA if there is no ability to be able to buy in full, because if painstaking, in the end, it can also be fulfilled.
In my opinion, the DCA system is the best for people who want to invest but have limited funds, maybe from coins that do not have a price above $ 100 or we can choose which coins can provide significant profits in the short and long term.
Yeah, the DCA method is very suitable for me to use because my capital is not large and we can gradually buy the coins we like. Moreover, during the bearish season, almost all coins go down in price, we can buy these coins at a low price with the DCA method and accumulate them, hold them until the bullish season to get big profits.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: sampoerna on March 26, 2025, 11:59:34 PM
Yeah, the DCA method is very suitable for me to use because my capital is not large and we can gradually buy the coins we like. Moreover, during the bearish season, almost all coins go down in price, we can buy these coins at a low price with the DCA method and accumulate them, hold them until the bullish season to get big profits.
Yes, the important thing in its implementation is to be consistent in doing DCA. Although the modality is small, if it is done consistently and routinely, then it will provide good benefits too. But indeed it will not be that easy, because the temptations and disturbances in investment are certainly very many, and sometimes we also do not realize it openly that we are experiencing something different and end up not doing DCA consistently. Sometimes, this happens. It's just that, when we have more efforts and consistency, then it will run much better and easier.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: yohananaomi on March 28, 2025, 12:43:22 AM

But if you do not have the ability to be able to pay, then there is no other way to avoid all forms of loans because you will be troubled by you later.
I agree more with DCA if there is no ability to be able to buy in full, because if painstaking, in the end, it can also be fulfilled.
In my opinion, the DCA system is the best for people who want to invest but have limited funds, maybe from coins that do not have a price above $ 100 or we can choose which coins can provide significant profits in the short and long term.
Of course, because of the limitations, we have to be able to buy at a unit price which is likely to be very high. It's good as you said that the DCA scheme is the best way that can be done, and it is possible to determine a certain nominal value or not all depending on the ability that is owned and we who know our whereabouts.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: Stompix on March 28, 2025, 02:21:54 PM
This thread is nuts, I feel like it's 6yo talking here!
Do you guys remember what happened in 2008?

The solution in a trade war that might bring the whole economy is DCA?
How do you DCA when your company goes bankrupt, you're fired, you have no job and no money to pay rent, everything is going through the roof with prices changing daily and people are left scrapping by?

Guess what!
You don't DCA anymore, you sale every day to have food and shelter, people didn't buy houses and cars in 2008 they either sold them or got them repoed by the banks.
Wake up from this fairy tale!

Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: MUGNIA on April 02, 2025, 03:31:58 PM

But if you do not have the ability to be able to pay, then there is no other way to avoid all forms of loans because you will be troubled by you later.
I agree more with DCA if there is no ability to be able to buy in full, because if painstaking, in the end, it can also be fulfilled.
In my opinion, the DCA system is the best for people who want to invest but have limited funds, maybe from coins that do not have a price above $ 100 or we can choose which coins can provide significant profits in the short and long term.
Yeah, the DCA method is very suitable for me to use because my capital is not large and we can gradually buy the coins we like. Moreover, during the bearish season, almost all coins go down in price, we can buy these coins at a low price with the DCA method and accumulate them, hold them until the bullish season to get big profits.
anything will be done if it finally provides benefits, even with the DCA system but many people have said that this system is the best, so if any of my friends who are still beginners want to try investing in crypto, apart from me suggesting the best and potential coins, I also teach the DCA system for buying coins
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: yohananaomi on April 03, 2025, 04:07:26 PM

But if you do not have the ability to be able to pay, then there is no other way to avoid all forms of loans because you will be troubled by you later.
I agree more with DCA if there is no ability to be able to buy in full, because if painstaking, in the end, it can also be fulfilled.
In my opinion, the DCA system is the best for people who want to invest but have limited funds, maybe from coins that do not have a price above $ 100 or we can choose which coins can provide significant profits in the short and long term.
Yeah, the DCA method is very suitable for me to use because my capital is not large and we can gradually buy the coins we like. Moreover, during the bearish season, almost all coins go down in price, we can buy these coins at a low price with the DCA method and accumulate them, hold them until the bullish season to get big profits.
anything will be done if it finally provides benefits, even with the DCA system but many people have said that this system is the best, so if any of my friends who are still beginners want to try investing in crypto, apart from me suggesting the best and potential coins, I also teach the DCA system for buying coins
I think now the DCA scheme is the best if you want to do it, but it does take quite a long time if you want maximum results and continue to do it.
So this scheme is indeed very suitable for bitcoin investment during the bearish season.
But I agree that you can also invest in potential altcoins that are widely available because the results are also not disappointing.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: MUGNIA on April 03, 2025, 06:32:09 PM
This thread is nuts, I feel like it's 6yo talking here!
Do you guys remember what happened in 2008?

The solution in a trade war that might bring the whole economy is DCA?
How do you DCA when your company goes bankrupt, you're fired, you have no job and no money to pay rent, everything is going through the roof with prices changing daily and people are left scrapping by?

Guess what!
You don't DCA anymore, you sale every day to have food and shelter, people didn't buy houses and cars in 2008 they either sold them or got them repoed by the banks.
Wake up from this fairy tale!
surviving in  the onslaught of layoffs, high prices only by selling assets when we are really in a tight position if we still have the opportunity to do other things such as selling and turning capital to get profit, I am sure we can still save, be more independent and entrepreneurial spirit is the best choice at this time when the economy is not doing well
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: legend45 on April 03, 2025, 06:38:17 PM

 think now the DCA scheme is the best if you want to do it, but it does take quite a long time if you want maximum results and continue to do it.
So this scheme is indeed very suitable for bitcoin investment during the bearish season.
But I agree that you can also invest in potential altcoins that are widely available because the results are also not disappointing.
investment with the DCA method is indeed suitable for those of us who have small capital, because we can buy gradually like many people do. but we have to see the market conditions and the price of the coin we are going to buy, if the price is still low it is good for us to be able to get maximum results. However, if the price of the coin is already high, we should first understand the risks.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: Stompix on April 03, 2025, 06:51:18 PM
I am sure we can still save, be more independent and entrepreneurial spirit is the best choice at this time when the economy is not doing well

Seeling what?Farting unicorns?
What is your entrepreneurial spirit going to do when people who were supposed to be your clients have no money?
If you're that confident in your skills why aren't you putting those to use right now and starting a business?

Oh wait, that means actually doing something in real life not typing utopias on the forum.

Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: Jating on April 04, 2025, 11:59:12 AM

 think now the DCA scheme is the best if you want to do it, but it does take quite a long time if you want maximum results and continue to do it.
So this scheme is indeed very suitable for bitcoin investment during the bearish season.
But I agree that you can also invest in potential altcoins that are widely available because the results are also not disappointing.
investment with the DCA method is indeed suitable for those of us who have small capital, because we can buy gradually like many people do. but we have to see the market conditions and the price of the coin we are going to buy, if the price is still low it is good for us to be able to get maximum results. However, if the price of the coin is already high, we should first understand the risks.
I disagree though, with DCA you don't need to look at the market conditions, because if you did, then your emotions will be involved. And that's primarily what DCA is trying to overcome, you invest base on the average price not whether it is going up or going down during your buying. Perhaps you are talking about the risk, but again, that's what DCA is the best because you are somewhat mitigating the risk by just buying on how much you can afford.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: yohananaomi on April 09, 2025, 03:43:03 AM

 think now the DCA scheme is the best if you want to do it, but it does take quite a long time if you want maximum results and continue to do it.
So this scheme is indeed very suitable for bitcoin investment during the bearish season.
But I agree that you can also invest in potential altcoins that are widely available because the results are also not disappointing.
investment with the DCA method is indeed suitable for those of us who have small capital, because we can buy gradually like many people do. but we have to see the market conditions and the price of the coin we are going to buy, if the price is still low it is good for us to be able to get maximum results. However, if the price of the coin is already high, we should first understand the risks.
I disagree though, with DCA you don't need to look at the market conditions, because if you did, then your emotions will be involved. And that's primarily what DCA is trying to overcome, you invest base on the average price not whether it is going up or going down during your buying. Perhaps you are talking about the risk, but again, that's what DCA is the best because you are somewhat mitigating the risk by just buying on how much you can afford.
The DCA program should no longer require and look at market conditions even though it is possible if you want to do it, but in the end it is not effective because a program like this makes installments with the ability that we have in the long term without looking at how much we have to pay for the purchase.
There is no risk in doing DCA because in time you will receive better results after being collected.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: dave_strider on April 09, 2025, 03:20:01 PM

 think now the DCA scheme is the best if you want to do it, but it does take quite a long time if you want maximum results and continue to do it.
So this scheme is indeed very suitable for bitcoin investment during the bearish season.
But I agree that you can also invest in potential altcoins that are widely available because the results are also not disappointing.
investment with the DCA method is indeed suitable for those of us who have small capital, because we can buy gradually like many people do. but we have to see the market conditions and the price of the coin we are going to buy, if the price is still low it is good for us to be able to get maximum results. However, if the price of the coin is already high, we should first understand the risks.
I disagree though, with DCA you don't need to look at the market conditions, because if you did, then your emotions will be involved. And that's primarily what DCA is trying to overcome, you invest base on the average price not whether it is going up or going down during your buying. Perhaps you are talking about the risk, but again, that's what DCA is the best because you are somewhat mitigating the risk by just buying on how much you can afford.

Overall, emotions are not needed at all with BTC on the spot investing process - you can't be wrong with it, if you hodl appropriate amount of time.

Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: snowpega on April 09, 2025, 04:29:57 PM
This thread is nuts, I feel like it's 6yo talking here!
Do you guys remember what happened in 2008?

The solution in a trade war that might bring the whole economy is DCA?
How do you DCA when your company goes bankrupt, you're fired, you have no job and no money to pay rent, everything is going through the roof with prices changing daily and people are left scrapping by?

Guess what!
You don't DCA anymore, you sale every day to have food and shelter, people didn't buy houses and cars in 2008 they either sold them or got them repoed by the banks.
Wake up from this fairy tale!
surviving in  the onslaught of layoffs, high prices only by selling assets when we are really in a tight position if we still have the opportunity to do other things such as selling and turning capital to get profit, I am sure we can still save, be more independent and entrepreneurial spirit is the best choice at this time when the economy is not doing well
 

I agree with both of you here on some points, as I know when inflation starts, it becomes very difficult to handle or manage your daily living costs, but things are now not the same as they were back in 2008. The reason I am saying this is a lot of people start to depend on online jobs and earn a handsome amount, and in case the physical market is disturbed due to some situation, then the online system helps you to reach your customers easily, and in my humble opinion, we can do DCA and manage our expenses.

again, All people's buying power is not same so only those will buy after seeing online products who have good buying power in the time where inflation rates are higher. But we can still target those customers who have good buying power using ad techniques. I was seeing such a method that can help us to target those customers who have great buying power, and I was impressed by that technique. What you guys have opinion on this? CMIIW!  :)
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: densus88 on April 09, 2025, 05:38:10 PM

The DCA program should no longer require and look at market conditions even though it is possible if you want to do it, but in the end it is not effective because a program like this makes installments with the ability that we have in the long term without looking at how much we have to pay for the purchase.
There is no risk in doing DCA because in time you will receive better results after being collected.
When the market condition is correcting I buy some potential coins, without DCA. because currently it has entered the bullish season. but if the market experiences a long correction like now, in my opinion the DCA method is still relevant to use. so using the DCA method must also consider the risk and market conditions at that time, this is according to my analysis. unless we use the DCA method during the bearish season 2 years ago
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: tequilla_sunset on April 10, 2025, 08:56:45 AM
We can see now that the broader market reacted with a bit of an up-movement to the end of the tariff wars (at least for some time), and the crypto market got the same vibe too.

We will see how it goes from there.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: Kemarit on April 10, 2025, 10:30:07 AM

The DCA program should no longer require and look at market conditions even though it is possible if you want to do it, but in the end it is not effective because a program like this makes installments with the ability that we have in the long term without looking at how much we have to pay for the purchase.
There is no risk in doing DCA because in time you will receive better results after being collected.
When the market condition is correcting I buy some potential coins, without DCA. because currently it has entered the bullish season. but if the market experiences a long correction like now, in my opinion the DCA method is still relevant to use. so using the DCA method must also consider the risk and market conditions at that time, this is according to my analysis. unless we use the DCA method during the bearish season 2 years ago

It's that we have somewhat recovered again, from $76,000, we are now trading around $82,000-$83,000. So it's a good sign for investors or even for traders as they can make some money with the current 8% movement of Bitcoin.

Fortunately, for long term investors, even if there is a current uptick in prices, we are not affected by it because we are looking for the bigger picture. So even with the economic trade war, I think we can still go and see a good price at the end of the year as our last all time high, maybe in the range of $150,000-$180,000.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: MUGNIA on April 10, 2025, 11:47:34 AM
I am sure we can still save, be more independent and entrepreneurial spirit is the best choice at this time when the economy is not doing well

Seeling what?Farting unicorns?
What is your entrepreneurial spirit going to do when people who were supposed to be your clients have no money?
If you're that confident in your skills why aren't you putting those to use right now and starting a business?

Oh wait, that means actually doing something in real life not typing utopias on the forum.
There are many kinds of entrepreneurship, not just about investment and crypto, if you are an entrepreneur for basic needs (daily needs) at least there are still those who need it, not an entrepreneur for the middle and upper classes, you will lose customers like today where people try to be as economical as possible to reduce the budget, not to splurge
those people are looking for solutions, not just accepting, it's different if you are a rich billionaire, doesn't feel the hardship when the economy outside your scope is difficult
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: Stompix on April 10, 2025, 03:02:02 PM
Fortunately, for long term investors, even if there is a current uptick in prices, we are not affected by it because we are looking for the bigger picture. So even with the economic trade war, I think we can still go and see a good price at the end of the year as our last all time high, maybe in the range of $150,000-$180,000.

If you're looking at long term and you look at the bigger picture where does the optimism come from since tariffs will be restored in 90 days?
Where is the money for a push to 180k going to come from when just the perspective of a tariff war erased 10 trillions of wealth?

~
There are many kinds of entrepreneurship, not just about investment and crypto, if you are an entrepreneur for basic needs (daily needs) at least there are still those who need it, not an entrepreneur for the middle and upper classes, you will lose customers like today where people try to be as economical as possible to reduce the budget, not to splurge those people are looking for solutions, not just accepting, it's different if you are a rich billionaire, doesn't feel the hardship when the economy outside your scope is difficult

Juts as I said before, bla bla bla an nothing concrete, selling unicorn farts!
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: Hisbullah on April 10, 2025, 03:04:46 PM
I am sure we can still save, be more independent and entrepreneurial spirit is the best choice at this time when the economy is not doing well

Seeling what?Farting unicorns?
What is your entrepreneurial spirit going to do when people who were supposed to be your clients have no money?
If you're that confident in your skills why aren't you putting those to use right now and starting a business?

Oh wait, that means actually doing something in real life not typing utopias on the forum.
There are many kinds of entrepreneurship, not just about investment and crypto, if you are an entrepreneur for basic needs (daily needs) at least there are still those who need it, not an entrepreneur for the middle and upper classes, you will lose customers like today where people try to be as economical as possible to reduce the budget, not to splurge
those people are looking for solutions, not just accepting, it's different if you are a rich billionaire, doesn't feel the hardship when the economy outside your scope is difficult
if you are an entrepreneur for diaper needs, there are still many enthusiasts, but the competition there is quite a lot so we must have a good strategy so that the goods we sell sell. while entrepreneurs with few competitors are also more profitable, because we can get higher profits.
service businesses actually have a better future, if the services we offer are needed by many people.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: gunhell16 on April 10, 2025, 03:27:06 PM

The DCA program should no longer require and look at market conditions even though it is possible if you want to do it, but in the end it is not effective because a program like this makes installments with the ability that we have in the long term without looking at how much we have to pay for the purchase.
There is no risk in doing DCA because in time you will receive better results after being collected.
When the market condition is correcting I buy some potential coins, without DCA. because currently it has entered the bullish season. but if the market experiences a long correction like now, in my opinion the DCA method is still relevant to use. so using the DCA method must also consider the risk and market conditions at that time, this is according to my analysis. unless we use the DCA method during the bearish season 2 years ago

It's that we have somewhat recovered again, from $76,000, we are now trading around $82,000-$83,000. So it's a good sign for investors or even for traders as they can make some money with the current 8% movement of Bitcoin.

Fortunately, for long term investors, even if there is a current uptick in prices, we are not affected by it because we are looking for the bigger picture. So even with the economic trade war, I think we can still go and see a good price at the end of the year as our last all time high, maybe in the range of $150,000-$180,000.

That is what long-term investors expect, where this year, 2025, the price you mentioned as ATH for bitcoin is possible to be reached and if that really happens,
many top altcoins in the market will also be pulled up.

So for now, I am still observing because just today there was a pause in tariffs because many countries are actually negotiating with the US because of Trump,
what is the market movement so far, in fact.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: Blaze on April 10, 2025, 06:41:48 PM
if you are an entrepreneur for diaper needs, there are still many enthusiasts, but the competition there is quite a lot so we must have a good strategy so that the goods we sell sell. while entrepreneurs with few competitors are also more profitable, because we can get higher profits.
service businesses actually have a better future, if the services we offer are needed by many people.
In fact, it becomes challenging to compete in a competitive market whereby ideas have to be devised more often and perhaps in unique ways. It is also relevant to always listen to the market and to respond to it as soon as possible. Today, besides price and quality, there is always an additional important determinant, namely how one can make a customer happy to use a certain product or avail of a particular service. The conjectural perception of patterns and early identification of patterns give more effective solutions in most cases make entrepreneurs successful. This may not entail the number of players as this may be better off staying that we give so much more value as opposed to other players.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: yohananaomi on April 16, 2025, 03:31:45 AM
I am sure we can still save, be more independent and entrepreneurial spirit is the best choice at this time when the economy is not doing well

Seeling what?Farting unicorns?
What is your entrepreneurial spirit going to do when people who were supposed to be your clients have no money?
If you're that confident in your skills why aren't you putting those to use right now and starting a business?

Oh wait, that means actually doing something in real life not typing utopias on the forum.
There are many kinds of entrepreneurship, not just about investment and crypto, if you are an entrepreneur for basic needs (daily needs) at least there are still those who need it, not an entrepreneur for the middle and upper classes, you will lose customers like today where people try to be as economical as possible to reduce the budget, not to splurge
those people are looking for solutions, not just accepting, it's different if you are a rich billionaire, doesn't feel the hardship when the economy outside your scope is difficult
if you are an entrepreneur for diaper needs, there are still many enthusiasts, but the competition there is quite a lot so we must have a good strategy so that the goods we sell sell. while entrepreneurs with few competitors are also more profitable, because we can get higher profits.
service businesses actually have a better future, if the services we offer are needed by many people.
Until now, basic needs still occupy the best business compared to other businesses, because basic needs are those needed every day and cannot be avoided by this.
But what you say is also very good if it is run well and continuously where service businesses are very much needed in today's modern technology and cannot be separated from existing needs.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: joshua graham on April 16, 2025, 09:19:10 AM
Until now, basic needs still occupy the best business compared to other businesses, because basic needs are those needed every day and cannot be avoided by this.
But what you say is also very good if it is run well and continuously where service businesses are very much needed in today's modern technology and cannot be separated from existing needs.

I agree through and through, but to be good at such business, it needs so much more than just capital, whereas investing - it's about not having shaky hands and keeping the head cool.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: Azharul on April 16, 2025, 08:59:49 PM

The DCA program should no longer require and look at market conditions even though it is possible if you want to do it, but in the end it is not effective because a program like this makes installments with the ability that we have in the long term without looking at how much we have to pay for the purchase.
There is no risk in doing DCA because in time you will receive better results after being collected.
When the market condition is correcting I buy some potential coins, without DCA. because currently it has entered the bullish season. but if the market experiences a long correction like now, in my opinion the DCA method is still relevant to use. so using the DCA method must also consider the risk and market conditions at that time, this is according to my analysis. unless we use the DCA method during the bearish season 2 years ago
Your opinion is appropriate in cryptocurrency world. We also know that, Russia and Ukraine is war also held which will be a effective reason in cryptocurrency market. If we follow in the worldwide we can see that american tariff war is also the best reason for economic trade war.so i believe that when this war will be finish, then we expect bull run in cryptocurrency market will comeback gradually. So i believe that if we wait in this war, i believe that gradually we can see next bull run in bitcoin.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: yohananaomi on April 23, 2025, 02:23:20 AM

The DCA program should no longer require and look at market conditions even though it is possible if you want to do it, but in the end it is not effective because a program like this makes installments with the ability that we have in the long term without looking at how much we have to pay for the purchase.
There is no risk in doing DCA because in time you will receive better results after being collected.
When the market condition is correcting I buy some potential coins, without DCA. because currently it has entered the bullish season. but if the market experiences a long correction like now, in my opinion the DCA method is still relevant to use. so using the DCA method must also consider the risk and market conditions at that time, this is according to my analysis. unless we use the DCA method during the bearish season 2 years ago
Your opinion is appropriate in cryptocurrency world. We also know that, Russia and Ukraine is war also held which will be a effective reason in cryptocurrency market. If we follow in the worldwide we can see that american tariff war is also the best reason for economic trade war.so i believe that when this war will be finish, then we expect bull run in cryptocurrency market will comeback gradually. So i believe that if we wait in this war, i believe that gradually we can see next bull run in bitcoin.
The influence of every war, both in real terms and also economic wars, will certainly always affect everything that happens in crypto and cannot be avoided and all will suffer the consequences.
Of course, what you want can happen in real terms if the trade or physical war is over. It will provide a good positive side so that it can provide a good increase for bitcoin.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: Rickoevolve162 on April 23, 2025, 04:08:48 AM
That could be very possible, and with the US having a BTC reserve, they could want to dump the price so they would be able to have a discount price, cause the last time a country decided to have a BTC reserve which is El Salvador that was when the bear market started, so history could repeat itself, we just have to watch and see how things unfold
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: MUGNIA on April 23, 2025, 04:50:45 PM
Until now, basic needs still occupy the best business compared to other businesses, because basic needs are those needed every day and cannot be avoided by this.
But what you say is also very good if it is run well and continuously where service businesses are very much needed in today's modern technology and cannot be separated from existing needs.

I agree through and through, but to be good at such business, it needs so much more than just capital, whereas investing - it's about not having shaky hands and keeping the head cool.

It all comes back to each individual on how to respond to the situation, whether it is trading or investing, it all requires a process, it is not immediately successful, and the intention of how we want to be successful itself must also be a part besides money capital, this is just my observation about business and investment
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: Mr. Magkaisa on April 23, 2025, 05:07:10 PM

The DCA program should no longer require and look at market conditions even though it is possible if you want to do it, but in the end it is not effective because a program like this makes installments with the ability that we have in the long term without looking at how much we have to pay for the purchase.
There is no risk in doing DCA because in time you will receive better results after being collected.
When the market condition is correcting I buy some potential coins, without DCA. because currently it has entered the bullish season. but if the market experiences a long correction like now, in my opinion the DCA method is still relevant to use. so using the DCA method must also consider the risk and market conditions at that time, this is according to my analysis. unless we use the DCA method during the bearish season 2 years ago
Your opinion is appropriate in cryptocurrency world. We also know that, Russia and Ukraine is war also held which will be a effective reason in cryptocurrency market. If we follow in the worldwide we can see that american tariff war is also the best reason for economic trade war.so i believe that when this war will be finish, then we expect bull run in cryptocurrency market will comeback gradually. So i believe that if we wait in this war, i believe that gradually we can see next bull run in bitcoin.

         -     We have seen and witnessed the effect of this tariff war that Trump is using, the effect it is having is not good when the news that Trump is planning is that the result of the tariff will be negative and will affect all countries around the world.

But this tariff can also be an alter ego for Trump, because when Trump says something positive about the Tariff, the market behavior worldwide suddenly becomes good, have you noticed that?
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: Mia Chloe on April 23, 2025, 05:47:11 PM
We have seen and witnessed the effect of this tariff war that Trump is using, the effect it is having is not good when the news that Trump is planning is that the result of the tariff will be negative and will affect all countries around the world.
It may actually sound crazy but the truth is every instrument and asset is tied to each other in one way or the other which could be directly or even indirectly. The thing is liquidity moves the market and big firms and investors are very calculative on the effects of certain fundamental factors.

This is the reason a sudden economic trade war will affect many instruments that it seems it isn't supposed to affect all because investors move their liquidity all of a sudden. Same thing can definitely affect bitcoin. Infact it was part of the reasons for the prolonged retracement.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: pieppiep on April 24, 2025, 11:04:04 AM
We have seen and witnessed the effect of this tariff war that Trump is using, the effect it is having is not good when the news that Trump is planning is that the result of the tariff will be negative and will affect all countries around the world.
It may actually sound crazy but the truth is every instrument and asset is tied to each other in one way or the other which could be directly or even indirectly. The thing is liquidity moves the market and big firms and investors are very calculative on the effects of certain fundamental factors.

This is the reason a sudden economic trade war will affect many instruments that it seems it isn't supposed to affect all because investors move their liquidity all of a sudden. Same thing can definitely affect bitcoin. Infact it was part of the reasons for the prolonged retracement.
In my understanding, global trade cannot exist without liquidity and I concur with the notion that a movement in one sector impacts another, volatile or not. Indeed, trade wars or any forms of economical conflicts can lead to fluctuation of the overall-relative liquidity in the market. This also applies to cryptocurrencies which, despite being decentralised, is sensitive to the movements in the global money flows. Bitcoin itself may be a type of asset that is different from real-world assets but is not a standalone asset that many believe experiences those long retracements based on its own fundamentals but such retracements tend to follow larger trends around the globe.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: yohananaomi on April 30, 2025, 02:09:59 AM
Until now, basic needs still occupy the best business compared to other businesses, because basic needs are those needed every day and cannot be avoided by this.
But what you say is also very good if it is run well and continuously where service businesses are very much needed in today's modern technology and cannot be separated from existing needs.

I agree through and through, but to be good at such business, it needs so much more than just capital, whereas investing - it's about not having shaky hands and keeping the head cool.
It all comes back to each individual on how to respond to the situation, whether it is trading or investing, it all requires a process, it is not immediately successful, and the intention of how we want to be successful itself must also be a part besides money capital, this is just my observation about business and investment
I agree. Indeed, in the end, the determination is up to you, and it cannot be avoided if you want to invest or trade, Because the process cannot trick the situation and all of that process always happens without the process. Then what exists is the inability to complete it perfectly.
For that, let the process run well without forgetting the funds that are also needed.
Title: Re: Can Economic Trade war alter the current Bitcoin bull run?
Post by: Blaze on May 01, 2025, 12:25:51 PM
I agree. Indeed, in the end, the determination is up to you, and it cannot be avoided if you want to invest or trade, Because the process cannot trick the situation and all of that process always happens without the process. Then what exists is the inability to complete it perfectly.
For that, let the process run well without forgetting the funds that are also needed.
I also agree with you when you said that no process is a one way process. But there is a part of that sentence that creates an oxymoron of the fact that all processes occur without a process. Perhaps, you meant that something is stagnant, but it also changes always, no matter how dish order or chaotic it may seem. You are correct regarding the fact that when it comes to investing and trading, the choice always lies in your hands, and this is something that can be delegated. However, I would like to stress that the process in question is not have to be perfect. What you lack is the receptivity to change and the patience not to act when conditions in the market are causing your head to boil. You cannot fake youth, but you do not have to be guilty of failure the moment something does not go as planned. As long focusing on the heart direction and counting the steps, that is enough.