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2. Mixers tied to centralized exchanges (CEX)This is certainly not true for Jambler partners, as they may have different investors, with different origin coins. It's not even always about exchanges, coins can also come from mining pools.
Cons:
Coins are sent from one or several accounts on centralized exchanges.
Conversion to Privacy Coins: Coins are initially converted into privacy coins such as Monero, severing any former transaction history. We use multiple anonymized cryptocurrencies to safeguard against de-anonymization tactics.I am not sure that coins from decentralized exchanges guarantee a low percentage of AML risk.
— Integration into Legitimate Trading: Coins converted back and mixed into the trading pools using decentralized exchanges and other methods commonly employed by crypto traders, ensuring that the coins' history mirrors that of numerous other participants in the crypto ecosystem.
Interesting.
It was to be expected that new solutions would be found after pressure on mixers and coinjoin services.Quote2. Mixers tied to centralized exchanges (CEX)This is certainly not true for Jambler partners, as they may have different investors, with different origin coins. It's not even always about exchanges, coins can also come from mining pools.
Cons:
Coins are sent from one or several accounts on centralized exchanges.QuoteConversion to Privacy Coins: Coins are initially converted into privacy coins such as Monero, severing any former transaction history. We use multiple anonymized cryptocurrencies to safeguard against de-anonymization tactics.I am not sure that coins from decentralized exchanges guarantee a low percentage of AML risk.
— Integration into Legitimate Trading: Coins converted back and mixed into the trading pools using decentralized exchanges and other methods commonly employed by crypto traders, ensuring that the coins' history mirrors that of numerous other participants in the crypto ecosystem.
Also, what more does your service offer than a user making a swap, for example, BTC->XMR->BTC and then paying 2x 0.5% exchange fee?
minimum 0.03BTC for custom amount is quite high, especially for a relatively new and unproven service.
As a client of your service, do I want to end up on some kind of watchlist or be subject to suspicion? Most likely not. Do I want to receive funds from the same address/CEX account as people who are potentially involved in highly illicit activities? The answer is no. This is precisely the problem our service aims to solve. Please correct me if I've misunderstood something.I mentioned Jambler (https://jambler.io/become-seller.php) which, in the simplest terms, resells output transactions from cryptocurrency stock exchanges. Of course, the coins come from the same cex account or the same address.
Now, regarding why our service is superior to a quick BTC→XMR→BTC swap: Firstly, you avoid the risk of triggering KYC verification when exchanging BTC for XMR. Secondly, exchanges keep logs, order histories, often lack TOR mirrors, and so on. All of this significantly simplifies the deanonymization of the chain you proposed. The AML risk score is a separate discussion, and it's highly dependent on the provider. Funds from noKYC sources can lead to account freezes and additional verifications. We prepare coins for our clients using services that are utilized by tens of thousands of traders, making them safe to use on CEXs.]Now, regarding why our service is superior to a quick BTC→XMR→BTC swap: Firstly, you avoid the risk of triggering KYC verification when exchanging BTC for XMR. Secondly, exchanges keep logs, order histories, often lack TOR mirrors, and so on. All of this significantly simplifies the deanonymization of the chain you proposed. The AML risk score is a separate discussion, and it's highly dependent on the provider. Funds from noKYC sources can lead to account freezes and additional verifications. We prepare coins for our clients using services that are utilized by tens of thousands of traders, making them safe to use on CEXs.There are reliable no-KYC CEXs (https://exch.cx/) with Tor mirror too also accept XMR.
Even setting aside the above, the very need to use noKYC exchanges can be suspicious in itself. Our service is designed to conceal the *very fact* that you are attempting to anonymize your funds' history. We aim to make the transaction history look completely ordinary.]Even setting aside the above, the very need to use noKYC exchanges can be suspicious in itself. Our service is designed to conceal the *very fact* that you are attempting to anonymize your funds' history. We aim to make the transaction history look completely ordinary.Finally, your service is also no-KYC, coins go through DEX, which can certainly attract attention for additional checks.
There are reliable no-KYC CEXs (https://exch.cx/) with Tor mirror too also accept XMR.I've been an early user and really like eXch, but their BTC->XMR fee is 5%, which kinda breaks your point
Finally, your service is also no-KYC, coins go through DEX, which can certainly attract attention for additional checks.Again, this isn't entirely accurate. The thing is, our wallets are not linked to our service, unlike typical mixers. This is a fundamental difference. Simply using popular DEX tools is unlikely to attract any attention.
I've been an early user and really like eXch, but their BTC->XMR fee is 5%, which kinda breaks your pointWell, that's an additional topic for discussion. The 5% fee can vary a lot depending on the exchange rate used. Regardless of your system, we often see that somewhere 3% is more expensive than 5% in the second case.
How can Empty.clash claim to be better than classic and modern mixers, or to be untraceable?
Keeping coins in The Coin Separation Concept is not going to make them untraceable in any way.
Sure it can prevent connection with other addresses, but that doesn't mean they become untraceable in any way.
I understand that many here are trying to defend the tools they promote in their signatures. However, I believe users have the right to be informed about the risks of using these services.Don't immediately associate a critical opinion with what is written in the signatures. Higher-quality campaigns prefer to have participants who express criticism. You can also see that other mixers are criticized, regardless of what is written in the signatures.
It's crucial to understand that a low AML score *does not* guarantee the legality or safety of coins. Government agencies use entirely different metrics to flag funds, and coins originating from mixers that pool funds from a single or a few wallets are exceptionally easy to trace and tag. I'm confident that this has already been done extensively.The largest number of members of this community are against any AML selection or labelling of coins in any way. We have also made sure so far that the government or some CEX can always have its way of giving an AML score, which can result in the blocking of funds. Therefore, it is logical that there is scepticism if someone comes up with a superior way to overcome the AML score problem.
I understand that many here are trying to defend the tools they promote in their signatures. However, I believe users have the right to be informed about the risks of using these services.I did read what you wrote and I never tried to defend anything here.
One design suggestion. Perhaps you could make a greater contrast between the colour of individual text and the background. For example, this part "read more" and the hint about the cart is almost invisible (at least for me)
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How will you manage the case if Ethereum from the Bybit hack reaches your ETH service?
If you have already used our services, please share your feedbackI suggest you start a short review campaign. Such a campaign does not necessarily have to cost you a lot, and you can get useful feedback and potentially new users when they become familiar with your platform.
Note on Bybit:You should clarify this a bit. What exactly depends on whether the order will be processed or not?
In any case, our policy never involves blocking funds in any form. If we’re unable to process them using our standard methods, we will issue a full refund. Moreover, the process heavily depends on the volumes involved.
Congratulations empty and welcome to the forum. I have read the Op and understood how it works. It's great.It's not a simple question.
But on a nutshell, what can your project or service be called?
- An exchange?
- An exchanger?
- A mixer?
- ¿?
It's not a simple question.You are a mixer.
Mixer? But we're not mixing users' money - that’s the major difference.
Exchange? It doesn't seem like the best idea to swap BTC for BTC at 4.9% (but you can swap btc to eth and vv with our service)
AML cleaning service? I don't even know.
it'd be interesting to come up with something unusual
Maybe OP is looking for an uncommon name to camouflage the mixer. It could be a cross-chain mixerIt's not a simple question.You are a mixer.
Mixer? But we're not mixing users' money - that’s the major difference.
Exchange? It doesn't seem like the best idea to swap BTC for BTC at 4.9% (but you can swap btc to eth and vv with our service)
AML cleaning service? I don't even know.
it'd be interesting to come up with something unusual
You have the option to send Bitcoin to Bitcoin, as well as Ethereum to Ethereum. Conversion in the same currency does not exist and this is a key feature of the mixer. The entire process is done so that the user receives a coin of a different origin at an address known only to him.
Mixer? But we're not mixing users' money - that’s the major difference.You can make up any defintion you want, but you are a mixing service.
Exchange? It doesn't seem like the best idea to swap BTC for BTC at 4.9% (but you can swap btc to eth and vv with our service)
AML cleaning service? I don't even know.