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Cryptocurrency Ecosystem => Crypto Wallets => Topic started by: Forsyth Jones on March 27, 2025, 03:20:22 AM
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Trezor offers four devices, with the latest releases being the Safe 3/5 line, which include the OPTIGA Trust M V3 secure element (including Bitcoin-only safe line versions).
Trezor supports SLIP-39 (Shamir Backup) for multi-share backups, in addition to BIP-39 (I personally prefer BIP-39).
Bitbox02 comes in two versions: one that supports multiple coins (Bitcoin + alts) and U2F, and another Bitcoin-only version.
Bitbox02 allows seedphrase backups via MicroSD (not encrypted), so it must be kept offline in a secure place. Using a passphrase is recommended.
Both brands are opensource.
Note: BitBox02 is the only hardware wallet that features the Anti-Klepto/Anti-Exfil protocol (https://bitbox.swiss/blog/anti-klepto-explained-protection-against-leaking-private-keys/).
Additionally, bitbox offers a powerful feature called BIP-85 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5505458.0), making smart backups easier.
You can compare both brands/models on the The Bitcoin Hole site (https://thebitcoinhole.com/hardware-wallets).
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I like BitBox02 very well before when I read this article https://bitbox.swiss/blog/best-of-both-worlds-using-a-secure-chip-with-open-source-firmware/.
Switzerland started Address Ownership Proof Protocol (AOPP) later and the wallet support it, although for Swiss but I disliked the fact that they supported it.
Is the wallet still supporting AOPP?
I prefer Trezor for this reason. Trezor support AOPP but they listened to their customers and removed it.
Trezor is more of open source wallet than Bitbox02. That best of both worlds means something about both close source and open source. That is, something in-between. I do not really remember about the hardware wallet againnas I give no attention to it unlike before.
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I remember this fact in 2021 (I had almost forgotten about it). AOPP is a KYC method to prove that a certain user owns the address, right?
Although it facilitates providing a simple and automated solution for signing a message with the wallet address that supports AOPP, it would be better if BitBox02 took a similar approach to Trezor by offering a guide for manual address verification.
The problem is that they are based in Switzerland, where it seems they are legally required to enforce AOPP.
However, from what I read on the BitBox blog (https://support.bitbox.swiss/en_US/1-other/what-is-the-address-ownership-proof-protocol-aopp), during the execution of AOPP, the wallet displays the message to be signed by the address and the user confirms the signature. The problem is that the message and signature are automatically sent to the exchange, although they claim that only the signed message and the address in question are sent and not the extended public key or any other metadata.
They also state that using AOPP is voluntary and only necessary when using exchanges/services in jurisdictions that require it, but this is what is problematic.
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Trezor is better option for me but choosing Bitbox02 would not be a mistake if you prefer that.
I would probably look for something that is airgapped now, like Passport or Keystone, that are more expensive but I think are worth the money.
It's a good ide to apply some discount codes to save money when purchasing any wallets.
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You're right, I'm keeping an eye on the launch of the Passport Prime, which is promising, but the price they're asking is putting me off a bit. The Coldcard Q is a wallet I still want to have. But I'm worried about importing it and having it stopped by br customs or having some problem and it ending up being returned to the sender.
The Coldcards sold here in brazil can cost up to $500.
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You're right, I'm keeping an eye on the launch of the Passport Prime, which is promising, but the price they're asking is putting me off a bit. The Coldcard Q is a wallet I still want to have. But I'm worried about importing it and having it stopped by br customs or having some problem and it ending up being returned to the sender.
The Coldcards sold here in brazil can cost up to $500.
Are you also looking for a new hardwallet?
We went through the same problems hehe, here in Brazil it's very complicated because we don't have a customs office with clear rules and practices regarding hardwallet imports, and we have example cases where hardwallets have been stopped and kept at the customs or even returned
Price is another problem for us, I only know one website that is official reseller, but I'm paranoic about trust
So I'll follow this thread, at the moment the wallet I'm inclined to buy is Trezor Safe 3, 79 USD
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Note: BitBox02 is the only hardware wallet that features the Anti-Klepto/Anti-Exfil protocol (https://bitbox.swiss/blog/anti-klepto-explained-protection-against-leaking-private-keys/).
I'm not technically savvy enough to say whether this makes sense or whether they wrote a wall of text, trying to make a story out of it all that transactions are only secure if their device is used. If this were true, then this device would have an advantage over all the others, but I think this seems like a marketing gimmick.
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I like BitBox02 very well before when I read this article https://bitbox.swiss/blog/best-of-both-worlds-using-a-secure-chip-with-open-source-firmware/.
Switzerland started Address Ownership Proof Protocol (AOPP) later and the wallet support it, although for Swiss but I disliked the fact that they supported it.
Is the wallet still supporting AOPP?
I prefer Trezor for this reason. Trezor support AOPP but they listened to their customers and removed it.
Trezor is more of open source wallet than Bitbox02. That best of both worlds means something about both close source and open source. That is, something in-between. I do not really remember about the hardware wallet againnas I give no attention to it unlike before.
Trezor has several versions, there is version 1, version 3 and version 5? Which of these would you recommend as good to use? Do you think dude that version 3 is okay for a first timer like me to use? Because I have really wanted to have a hardware wallet for a long time.
But right now they seem to be out of stock, then can you please provide the legit website to buy it in this section because later I might end up on the wrong platform website, which would be difficult and a waste of my money to buy it.
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Are you also looking for a new hardwallet?
Not at the moment, but I'd love to have a coldcard or passport hardware wallet, but I already have a lot of hardware wallets (trezor, ledger, bitbox) and few sats to justify so much hardware, hehehe.
We went through the same problems hehe, here in Brazil it's very complicated because we don't have a customs office with clear rules and practices regarding hardwallet imports, and we have example cases where hardwallets have been stopped and kept at the customs or even returned
Price is another problem for us, I only know one website that is official reseller, but I'm paranoic about trust
So I'll follow this thread, at the moment the wallet I'm inclined to buy is Trezor Safe 3, 79 USD
You're absolutely right, my friend, huezil is complicated on all levels when it comes to taxes.
I'm sure you'll like it a lot and won't regret it. Although I like Bitbox more, Trezor is a great choice too.
I'm not technically savvy enough to say whether this makes sense or whether they wrote a wall of text, trying to make a story out of it all that transactions are only secure if their device is used. If this were true, then this device would have an advantage over all the others, but I think this seems like a marketing gimmick.
This is a somewhat complex topic to discuss. While I read about it some time ago and recognize its importance, it's not an urgent issue. Currently, neither soft nor hardware wallets are fully protected protected from this type of attack at the moment if the firmware is corrupted, there are ways to prevent it like Trezor which checks the firmware before it is installed (https://trezor.io/learn/a/trezor-firmware-revision-check).
For you or other people who want to know how this attack works, I recommend reading this article: https://help.blockstream.com/hc/en-us/articles/9641573399961-What-is-Anti-Exfil-and-how-does-it-work
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Trezor has several versions, there is version 1, version 3 and version 5? Which of these would you recommend as good to use? Do you think dude that version 3 is okay for a first timer like me to use? Because I have really wanted to have a hardware wallet for a long time.
I will recommend all but it depends on what you want. If you visit Trezor website, you can see the differences between the hardware wallets.
I do not know if it is still like this, Trezor Model 1 supports less coins. You need to check the coins they are supporting and compare. You can do that on official Trezor website. It does not has secure element. That makes it vulnerable to successfully physical attack to reveal the seed phrase.
Trezor Safe 3 has secure element.
Safe 5 has secure element, torch screen and gorilla glass 3. Safe 3 does not have these.
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Trezor has several versions, there is version 1, version 3 and version 5? Which of these would you recommend as good to use? Do you think dude that version 3 is okay for a first timer like me to use? Because I have really wanted to have a hardware wallet for a long time.
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Regardless of which one you choose, I'm sure you'll be satisfied, as Trezor is a reference in hardware wallets (non air-gapped).
In short, if you're on a budget, the Trezor One and Trezor Safe 3 lines might be interesting. If you can invest more, go with Trezor model T or Trezor Safe 5.
Use passphrase: https://blog.trezor.io/10-common-faqs-around-passphrases-in-trezor-wallets-07f30c7e6a91
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The Coldcards sold here in brazil can cost up to $500.
Coldcard is crap with lunatic owner, not open source, and I would not spend even $5 paying for any of their devices.
Safe 5 has secure element, torch screen and gorilla glass 3. Safe 3 does not have these.
Trezor Safe 5 is overpriced in my opinion, and they are not offering that much advantages compared to Trezor Safe 3.
Bitbox02 is much older device than both of this Trezors, and I am surprised they didnt release some new device like Bitbox03.
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Trezor has several versions, there is version 1, version 3 and version 5? Which of these would you recommend as good to use? Do you think dude that version 3 is okay for a first timer like me to use? Because I have really wanted to have a hardware wallet for a long time.
I will recommend all but it depends on what you want. If you visit Trezor website, you can see the differences between the hardware wallets.
I do not know if it is still like this, Trezor Model 1 supports less coins. You need to check the coins they are supporting and compare. You can do that on official Trezor website. It does not has secure element. That makes it vulnerable to successfully physical attack to reveal the seed phrase.
Trezor Safe 3 has secure element.
Safe 5 has secure element, torch screen and gorilla glass 3. Safe 3 does not have these.
Thanks dude @Charles-Tim for explaining the function of each version of trezor that can be given to users regardless of the choice made among the above. So I think I might buy the trezor version 5 and it seems like its price is around 176$ on their website platform.
But right now they are out of stock, it seems like I will have to wait and I don't know when they will have a version safe 5 of trezor again, so at least I can be confident that the assets that I have been doing dca with since last year are 100% safe. Thanks again and God bless you ;)
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Trezor Safe 5 is overpriced in my opinion, and they are not offering that much advantages compared to Trezor Safe 3.
Bitbox02 is much older device than both of this Trezors, and I am surprised they didnt release some new device like Bitbox03.
The bitbox02 may seem old, but I consider it a better device than the Trezor for now. While Trezor is focusing on attracting shitcoiner customers like Ledger, Bitbox is focused on bringing more privacy-oriented features, such as Silent Payments (partial), BIP-85 for unified seedphrase backups and other features I can't recall at the moment.
But... both brands are excellent for beginner and advanced users. Trezor is simpler due to its touchscreen (Model T/Safe 5) and even the Trezor One is still supported by them, despite being vulnerable to seedphrase extraction, but this can be mitigated if the user enables a passphrase.
I just have a greater preference for the Bitbox02 because it focuses more on Bitcoin and offers some additional features I mentioned, as well as SD card backups (although it could have an encryption option).
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The bitbox02 may seem old, but I consider it a better device than the Trezor for now. While Trezor is focusing on attracting shitcoiner customers like Ledger, Bitbox is focused on bringing more privacy-oriented features, such as Silent Payments (partial), BIP-85 for unified seedphrase backups and other features I can't recall at the moment.
Yeah, Bitbox have a good developing team, and I think they are making a solid device, but it's far from perfect.
I think most computers today use USB type-c, and Bitbox is still using old USC connection.
Sure you can just buy an adapter, but hardware is getting older and I like to see more innovation.
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My bitbox02 came with a USB-C (female) to USB-C (male) cable and a USB-A adapter. With this adapter, I can connect the device with only USB-A inputs. Since my notebook has both types of USB inputs, I can use either one.
I think I've had it since 2021, so I don't know if it still comes with this adapter.
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My bitbox02 came with a USB-C (female) to USB-C (male) cable and a USB-A adapter. With this adapter, I can connect the device with only USB-A inputs. Since my notebook has both types of USB inputs, I can use either one.
Interesting, I didn't know about the fact they are already sending adapters in packages by default.
All other hardware wallets released in last few years converted from micro-usb connection/cables to usb type-c, that has become the new standard.
For me best hardware wallets are airgapped and they ''connect'' with camera scanning... so no need for cables except for charging/updating.
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Are you also looking for a new hardwallet?
Not at the moment, but I'd love to have a coldcard or passport hardware wallet, but I already have a lot of hardware wallets (trezor, ledger, bitbox) and few sats to justify so much hardware, hehehe.
Hey Forsyth Jones, which model of Trezor do you have?
Is it good to do a lot of transactions if necessary?
I have a Ledger nano S, but it's not good to use in a lot of txs like I need to operate some DeFi, sometimes I do more than 20txs in a few minutes, maybe 30 txs a day, and I need a wallet that makes this easy
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Hey Forsyth Jones, which model of Trezor do you have?
Is it good to do a lot of transactions if necessary?
I have a Ledger nano S, but it's not good to use in a lot of txs like I need to operate some DeFi, sometimes I do more than 20txs in a few minutes, maybe 30 txs a day, and I need a wallet that makes this easy
I have the Trezor Model T, but if you add about $50 (or 300R$) more to the price of a Trezor Model T, you should get the most up-to-date model, which is the Trezor Safe 5.
If you use passphrase frequently, I recommend getting the touchscreen models, which in this case is the Trezor model T or Trezor Safe 5.
That's what I'd do. Otherwise, a Trezor Safe 3 will do the trick.
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I have a Ledger nano S, but it's not good to use in a lot of txs like I need to operate some DeFi, sometimes I do more than 20txs in a few minutes, maybe 30 txs a day, and I need a wallet that makes this easy
I think Keystone hardware wallet is probably one of the best for this purpose, if you install multi-coin firmware.
Old Trezor One is not recommended and I would personally avoid any old devices with weak processing power.
Having address and change verification is also important when you are making many transactions.
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I have the Trezor Model T, but if you add about $50 (or 300R$) more to the price of a Trezor Model T, you should get the most up-to-date model, which is the Trezor Safe 5.
If you use passphrase frequently, I recommend getting the touchscreen models, which in this case is the Trezor model T or Trezor Safe 5.
That's what I'd do. Otherwise, a Trezor Safe 3 will do the trick.
Thanks, I just went to the Trezor website and it's on sale
The Model T is 90 USD instead of 129 while the Safe 5 is 152 instead of 169
I'll see if I can get the Model T, it's a good discount
I think the touchscreen will make a difference to me
I think Keystone hardware wallet is probably one of the best for this purpose, if you install multi-coin firmware.
Old Trezor One is not recommended and I would personally avoid any old devices with weak processing power.
Having address and change verification is also important when you are making many transactions.
Wow, that's a beautiful wallet
149 dollars, I'll look into this model as I don't know anyone who has one, but the touch screen would be very nice
About the Trezor Model T, is it also an old processor like the One?
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About the Trezor Model T, is it also an old processor like the One?
It is a bit stronger than one in Trezor One, but it's not a big difference.
Last time I cheked Trezor One was using STM32F2 and Trezor ModelT STM32F4 microprocessor.
There was a difference in supported coins in this two devices, but it's better to check that on Terzor website, if you need them for altcoins:
https://trezor.io/coins
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I recently brought trezor 3, before it I had tangem (which was bought after my ledger nano s's screen had died) but it lost my trust after their recent incident.
I have heard about Bitbox, but have got no idea about it, I went to trezor because of it's reputation over the years and tangem incident made me hesitant to trust any new brands.
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I recently brought trezor 3, before it I had tangem (which was bought after my ledger nano s's screen had died) but it lost my trust after their recent incident.
I have heard about Bitbox, but have got no idea about it, I went to trezor because of it's reputation over the years and tangem incident made me hesitant to trust any new brands.
It's quite common for the Ledger Nano S screen to stop working
But it's also quite easy and cheap to buy another one and replace it
Have you tried it?
If you have it, you may still be able to recover it
How do you like the Trezor Safe 3?
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I recently brought trezor 3, before it I had tangem (which was bought after my ledger nano s's screen had died) but it lost my trust after their recent incident.
I have heard about Bitbox, but have got no idea about it, I went to trezor because of it's reputation over the years and tangem incident made me hesitant to trust any new brands.
It's quite common for the Ledger Nano S screen to stop working
But it's also quite easy and cheap to buy another one and replace it
Have you tried it?
If you have it, you may still be able to recover it
I knew about screen replacement, it's just alibaba where screens are available for about a dollar don't ship to my country (it's banned by Indian gov) and I couldn't be bothered to use those indirect shipping sites, there was another site where I was getting it for about $20 and quite unsure of my ability to replace it and thinking this $20 could go waste, so I moved to tangem and then trezor.
How do you like the Trezor Safe 3?
I like it, it's better than ledger nano S.
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I recently brought trezor 3, before it I had tangem (which was bought after my ledger nano s's screen had died) but it lost my trust after their recent incident.
There are many cases of people having issues with nono S cheap screen, some of them can be fixed by using phone camera over ledger device.
I used both trezor and ledger devices and all I can say is that Trezor Safe 3 is better device in every way.
So far I never heard anyone having screen issues with any of trezor devices... even oldest Trezor One still works fine.
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I recently brought trezor 3, before it I had tangem (which was bought after my ledger nano s's screen had died) but it lost my trust after their recent incident.
There are many cases of people having issues with nono S cheap screen, some of them can be fixed by using phone camera over ledger device.
I used both trezor and ledger devices and all I can say is that Trezor Safe 3 is better device in every way.
So far I never heard anyone having screen issues with any of trezor devices... even oldest Trezor One still works fine.
Trezor's quality is indescribable and unmatched, unlike the Nano S that always gave problems, they had to update to a newer model like the Nano S Plus to ease things a bit. I have a Nano S that no longer turns on (maybe it's the USB cable) and a Nano X that I use on the iPhone, but for small amounts, as I don't trust Ledger very much.
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I recently brought trezor 3, before it I had tangem (which was bought after my ledger nano s's screen had died) but it lost my trust after their recent incident.
There are many cases of people having issues with nono S cheap screen, some of them can be fixed by using phone camera over ledger device.
I think we have talked about this before, camera thingy don't work because letters appear broken to the extent them being unreadable (display still shows letters in dark place, no need of mobile camera).