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Title: Two Paths to Financial Growth: Trading vs Investing
Post by: Agbe on March 28, 2025, 09:32:39 PM
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When it comes to the financial markets, what lies ahead is either the path of trading or investing. Both strategies are geared towards making money, but are inherently different in their approach, time investment and risk. To make it easier for you to decide what may be the best path, let’s look into each of these professions individually.

TRADING
Trading is often likened to a high-speed race. It’s quick, intense, and calls for quick decision making. Traders seek to capitalize on short-term price fluctuations in assets such as stocks, currencies, or commodities. Trading is mostly about the short term and rarely about long term. Some traders, known as scalpers, hold positions for just seconds or minutes, aiming to profit from tiny price changes. Day traders buy and sell within the same day, while swing traders may hold positions for several days or weeks to capitalise on short-term trends.
Trading cares less about long-term asset value and more about the direction of the market right at the moment. This is the reason traders strongly rely on technical analysis, which is basically the study of price charts, patterns, and the use of tools like indicators, RSI (Relative Strength Index), Candle stick pattern, etc making traders prone to market volatilily which makes trading risky. Traders need strong emotional discipline to handle the heat of making split-second trading decisions that can lose them thousands of dollars in the blink of an eye.

Additionally, frequent buying and selling lead to higher transaction costs, with brokers including things like commissions, spreads, and fees which can eat into profits. These costs can add up quickly, making it essential for traders to factor them into their strategies. There is long term and short term Traders and short term Traders are more than long term Traders. More details as you read further. Crypto Trading is much more riskier than Fiat Trading because of  it volatile nature. Crypto is unpredictable currency, mostly bitcoin while fiat currency is stable currency so traders in bitcoin can't predict the nearest outcome of the market.

Pros of Trading
1.With trading, there is potential for traders to generate significant returns in a short period of time by capitalizing on market volatily
2.Traders can easily adapt to market changes and switched between different assets and strategies as they rely mostly on technical analysis
3.Unlike investing, which relies mostly on price appreciation, trading allows for profit in any market direction. This means that even in a bullish market, traders can sell, profiting from liquidity grabs (retracement) before trend continuation.
4.In trading, there is availability of leverage (borrowed money) which can amplify traders return in a successful trade.
5. They used risk management tools like Take Profit and Stop Loss (TP/SL).

Cons of Trading
1.Trading is riskier than investing because the market is basically engineered to prey on traders. Short term positions are vulnerable to stop hunts, fake breakouts and liquidity grabs
2.Trading requires significant time and effort because traders need a deep understanding of market dynamics to monitor market conditions and actively manage trades and also stay updated on news and events that will likely impact the market.
3.The fast-paced nature of trading can take a toll on traders emotions. FOMO(Fear Of Missing Out) and greed can cloud judgement and lead to impulsive actions.
4.While leverage can amplify potential profits, it also amplifies potential losses.

INVESTING
If trading is a sprint, investing is more of a marathon. A more deliberate path to wealth, a slower path, focusing on your long-term story(the bigger picture) than hoping for a giant one-off windfall.
Investing is always about the long term. Investors purchase assets like stocks, bonds, or real estate hoping they will rise in value with time often through the sheer power of basic math: compounding. They are willing to wait years or even decades making asset owners generally less exposed to market swings and so lower risk than trading. Value investors look for stocks that are undervalued, growth investors look for stocks with high growth potential, whereas dividend investors aim stocks with regular dividend payouts.
Investments rely heavily on fundamental analysis to make decisions and they do so by digging into a company’s financial statements, evaluating its management team and it’s position withing the industry.
Contrary to trading, investors are less likely to come under pressure. What they need is patience as they know that markets will inevitably experience ups and downs.
 Lastly, Investment requires less transactions which automatically leads to lesser fees thus making investment a cost effective option for low risk takers.

Pros of Investing
1.Investing is less risky when compared to trading as it focuses more on long-term growth without fear of market volatility.
2.Investing requires less active management than trading.
3.Most investments, such as dividend-paying stocks and bonds, generate passive income streams, providing a steady flow of cash.
4.Many investments, such as dividend-paying stocks and bonds, generate passive income streams, providing a steady flow of cash.
5.Profits from investments are typically taxed at a lower rate than ordinary income.

Cons of Investing
1.Investing typically generates slower returns than trading, as it relies on long-term growth rather than short-term price fluctuations.
2.While investments are considered more stable over trading, they're not completely free from the risk of losing value when overall market conditions are poor. Investors endure prolonged drawdowns, while traders can profit from both rising and falling markets.
3.Investing involves little to no leverage which can reduce potential returns when compared to trading.

Conclusion:
Bitcoin being a digital currency in the world has been used in the trading field for a very large scale but seconded to the US dollar in general. But from the perspective of the youth, bitcoin is the highest trading currency digitally. The profit is depends on the mathematical calculation of the trading. Mostly the tools.

Investment in the area of store of value Bitcoin is the highest even more than the US dollar because it is volatile and US dollar is stable coin. But it is the longevity of the investment that determines the investor's profit. You can still make profit within a short period of time but it will not huge as the long term investment.

Unlike the fiat that relies on the central bank and governments for its stability, Bitcoin is decentralised and independent on control which is both it's strength and its weakness. investors also used DCA tool to lessing their burden/heavy investment at once.

My Thread in the other forum Two Paths to Financial Growth: Trading vs Investing (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5536573.0)
Title: Re: Two Paths to Financial Growth: Trading vs Investing
Post by: SmartGold01 on March 29, 2025, 04:48:05 AM
This two depending on the individual purposes and likeness and I could decides to invest and have peace of mind without me facing that hard time to keep speculating and analyzing the market that regularly unlike those who could be doing trading, which implies that they can segment themselves to either daily, weekly or monthly and these are how they positioned themselves within the various moment depending on how their schedules are that is why some people preferred doing investment over trading but though both can be profitable but depends on how good you could be while trading.
Title: Re: Two Paths to Financial Growth: Trading vs Investing
Post by: bitmover on March 29, 2025, 10:35:46 AM
Every good investor says something like this:

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You can try trading, but the real money is in waiting
Title: Re: Two Paths to Financial Growth: Trading vs Investing
Post by: SamReomo on March 29, 2025, 10:50:57 AM
You can try trading, but the real money is in waiting
Trading is quite lucrative as well but only for the ones who can control their emotions and for the ones who have patience. A good trader can earn so much money in short time period and that's a fact but similarly a weak hand trader can lose hundreds of dollars within a day.
Title: Re: Two Paths to Financial Growth: Trading vs Investing
Post by: Hamza2424 on March 29, 2025, 12:15:14 PM
You can try trading, but the real money is in waiting
Trading is quite lucrative as well but only for the ones who can control their emotions and for the ones who have patience. A good trader can earn so much money in short time period and that's a fact but similarly a weak hand trader can lose hundreds of dollars within a day.

This is why it is always recommended to the new traders that they should not fall for the short term gains, and better up scale their skills in the risk management, charts and other analysis plays a 30% of role in a successful trade the rest is based on the risk management, including the emotional control and strategy execution.
Title: Re: Two Paths to Financial Growth: Trading vs Investing
Post by: bitmover on March 29, 2025, 12:56:15 PM
You can try trading, but the real money is in waiting
Trading is quite lucrative as well but only for the ones who can control their emotions and for the ones who have patience. A good trader can earn so much money in short time period and that's a fact but similarly a weak hand trader can lose hundreds of dollars within a day.

I agree people can earn money trading. But even good traders lose money some times

In the end it is a matter of personal preference , but usually people make more money in holding good assets.
Title: Re: Two Paths to Financial Growth: Trading vs Investing
Post by: Themepen on March 29, 2025, 01:26:11 PM
This two depending on the individual purposes and likeness and I could decides to invest and have peace of mind without me facing that hard time to keep speculating and analyzing the market that regularly unlike those who could be doing trading, which implies that they can segment themselves to either daily, weekly or monthly and these are how they positioned themselves within the various moment depending on how their schedules are that is why some people preferred doing investment over trading but though both can be profitable but depends on how good you could be while trading.
You are right that investing can give people peace of mind because it usually means holding onto something for long time and not checking on it all time. This can be good for people who do not want to think about it too much or do not have a lot of time to look at market. If we see other side trading means being more active and paying attention to market a lot which can be done every day week or month. Both investing and trading can make money but key is being good at understanding market no matter which way you choose. At end whether someone chooses investing or trading depends on what they like how much risk they are willing to take and what they want to achieve with their money.
Title: Re: Two Paths to Financial Growth: Trading vs Investing
Post by: SmartGold01 on March 29, 2025, 01:57:35 PM
This two depending on the individual purposes and likeness and I could decides to invest and have peace of mind without me facing that hard time to keep speculating and analyzing the market that regularly unlike those who could be doing trading, which implies that they can segment themselves to either daily, weekly or monthly and these are how they positioned themselves within the various moment depending on how their schedules are that is why some people preferred doing investment over trading but though both can be profitable but depends on how good you could be while trading.
You are right that investing can give people peace of mind because it usually means holding onto something for long time and not checking on it all time. This can be good for people who do not want to think about it too much or do not have a lot of time to look at market. If we see other side trading means being more active and paying attention to market a lot which can be done every day week or month. Both investing and trading can make money but key is being good at understanding market no matter which way you choose. At end whether someone chooses investing or trading depends on what they like how much risk they are willing to take and what they want to achieve with their money.
Of course people may not understand how important investment is because investment gives a reliability and um a peace of mind while holding the coin could be bitcoin or altcoin that is reputable in the market.
Investment should have another means of supporting it than relying on that particular investment which they would never have that experience to hold for long instead it could pushes them to sell off their investments as quickly as possible.
Title: Re: Two Paths to Financial Growth: Trading vs Investing
Post by: Rruchi man on March 29, 2025, 02:57:33 PM
Like I said in another forum, it will be easier if the individual first commits to starting one first before trying to add another one. If the person already has some skill in trading and decides to add investment on top of it, doing both will not be so difficult because investment basically is not as skill or time demanding as trading, especially when there is no other commitment taking one's time.
It will be hard when one tries to do both, especially trading when they have other things taking their time already.
Title: Re: Two Paths to Financial Growth: Trading vs Investing
Post by: jeraldskie11 on March 29, 2025, 04:24:02 PM
Like I said in another forum, it will be easier if the individual first commits to starting one first before trying to add another one. If the person already has some skill in trading and decides to add investment on top of it, doing both will not be so difficult because investment basically is not as skill or time demanding as trading, especially when there is no other commitment taking one's time.
It will be hard when one tries to do both, especially trading when they have other things taking their time already.
If we compare trading with investing, there is a big difference. It is harder to make money in trading because the risk is higher. So if you are a good trader, you can combine investing with it because it is not that difficult to learn investing. But if you are only investing and then want to combine trading with it, you will have a hard time making money here, especially if you are new to trading.
Title: Re: Two Paths to Financial Growth: Trading vs Investing
Post by: Findingnemo on March 29, 2025, 05:40:02 PM
Trading can be a good side hustle for many people but I won't suggest it as a way of achieving success in our financial status because it's high risky and similar to Gambling. I don't remember anyone constantly making profits by doing trading and crypto is highly volatile so it will be like a swing and miss on most cases.

On the other side, investment is gradual and long term plan so anyone can start investing as much as they can and now they don't need a middle men like stocks investment.
Title: Re: Two Paths to Financial Growth: Trading vs Investing
Post by: Mr. Magkaisa on March 29, 2025, 06:27:48 PM
Every good investor says something like this:

(https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/5f036fefdbfbd843bc423b8a/64c40aeb0822dc205697f347_Charlie%20Munger_QUOTE.png)

You can try trading, but the real money is in waiting

         -      That quote is true, I also believe it, you see that there are more losers among those who frequently conduct trading activity than long-term holders who invest in the cryptocurrency industry and I know you see that. Especially among those who frequently enter futures trades.

Then there are also many who have witnessed long-term holders who have made profits in bitcoin and other top altcoins in this crypto trading business.
Look Michael Saylor, Elon Musk, at others.
Title: Re: Two Paths to Financial Growth: Trading vs Investing
Post by: milewilda on March 29, 2025, 07:54:22 PM
This two depending on the individual purposes and likeness and I could decides to invest and have peace of mind without me facing that hard time to keep speculating and analyzing the market that regularly unlike those who could be doing trading, which implies that they can segment themselves to either daily, weekly or monthly and these are how they positioned themselves within the various moment depending on how their schedules are that is why some people preferred doing investment over trading but though both can be profitable but depends on how good you could be while trading.
You are right that investing can give people peace of mind because it usually means holding onto something for long time and not checking on it all time. This can be good for people who do not want to think about it too much or do not have a lot of time to look at market. If we see other side trading means being more active and paying attention to market a lot which can be done every day week or month. Both investing and trading can make money but key is being good at understanding market no matter which way you choose. At end whether someone chooses investing or trading depends on what they like how much risk they are willing to take and what they want to achieve with their money.
Of course people may not understand how important investment is because investment gives a reliability and um a peace of mind while holding the coin could be bitcoin or altcoin that is reputable in the market.
Investment should have another means of supporting it than relying on that particular investment which they would never have that experience to hold for long instead it could pushes them to sell off their investments as quickly as possible.
All matters about someones preference when it comes to this on which we know that it will really be that important that you do really know on what you are really that indeed doing specially on dealing with both things that requires proper knowledge and skills or simply having those awareness on how it works. When it comes on being a good choice then btoh are that best it is are ally just that on depending on which one is really that you do really want and havin that risks tolerance and something on which that fits up tino your risksmanagement or something that you would really be that able to make yourself that do able to handle out things accordingly but we do know that its never been that so easy on dealing up with these things.
Title: Re: Two Paths to Financial Growth: Trading vs Investing
Post by: Wiwo on March 30, 2025, 05:36:18 AM
Every good investor says something like this:

(https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/5f036fefdbfbd843bc423b8a/64c40aeb0822dc205697f347_Charlie%20Munger_QUOTE.png)

You can try trading, but the real money is in waiting
That is to say that investors that just buy assets like Bitcoin and wait for a long period are most likely to make real money and with fewer risks, so sure trading can be advised they be a fast means to make much money, but note also that trading comes with a lot of risks and that is why holding and waiting is to best option considering the level of low risks that come with holdings.

So generally investors already know the prone and corns in all the aspects of making money from their investments and also are very aware of the risks that are associated with all those options.
Title: Re: Two Paths to Financial Growth: Trading vs Investing
Post by: taufik123 on March 30, 2025, 07:05:01 AM
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On the other side, investment is gradual and long term plan so anyone can start investing as much as they can and now they don't need a middle men like stocks investment.
But one also needs to know what they are investing in, what the platform is, because there are a lot of unlucky people who get into obscure investments or even scam coins if we talk about investing in crypto.

It takes some education early on about what investments are safe to make, such as Bitcoin by making purchases gradually and for the long term it is still very safe, but of course there will be risks for each.
Title: Re: Two Paths to Financial Growth: Trading vs Investing
Post by: bitmover on March 30, 2025, 07:58:38 AM

That is to say that investors that just buy assets like Bitcoin and wait for a long period are most likely to make real money and with fewer risks, so sure trading can be advised they be a fast means to make much money, but note also that trading comes with a lot of risks and that is why holding and waiting is to best option considering the level of low risks that come with holdings.

So generally investors already know the prone and corns in all the aspects of making money from their investments and also are very aware of the risks that are associated with all those options.

Yeah, in really doubt investors would make 50-100x by trading, while from 2017-2025 bitcoin investors had that gains by just holding.

This is also true for other markets, such as tesla and Nvidia stocks. The profits were even higher depending on the range you look at. Just by holding
Title: Re: Two Paths to Financial Growth: Trading vs Investing
Post by: Bobcrypto on March 30, 2025, 08:37:09 AM
Every good investor says something like this:

(https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/5f036fefdbfbd843bc423b8a/64c40aeb0822dc205697f347_Charlie%20Munger_QUOTE.png)

You can try trading, but the real money is in waiting

Yeah, I think this saying goes perfectly well especially for the investors that will take a critical look into it. Big money is actually in the hand of the waiting, that is, exactly being patient as an investors/holders. Those who has the capacity to wait will always be rewarded at lon run. For example, those who invested on Bitcoin in 2019, and still holding knows exactly how the crypto market work and the importance of being patience.
In a nutshell, patience remains the key to a successful investment journey.
Title: Re: Two Paths to Financial Growth: Trading vs Investing
Post by: Mr. Magkaisa on March 30, 2025, 11:53:06 AM
Every good investor says something like this:

(https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/5f036fefdbfbd843bc423b8a/64c40aeb0822dc205697f347_Charlie%20Munger_QUOTE.png)

You can try trading, but the real money is in waiting

Yeah, I think this saying goes perfectly well especially for the investors that will take a critical look into it. Big money is actually in the hand of the waiting, that is, exactly being patient as an investors/holders. Those who has the capacity to wait will always be rewarded at lon run. For example, those who invested on Bitcoin in 2019, and still holding knows exactly how the crypto market work and the importance of being patience.
In a nutshell, patience remains the key to a successful investment journey.

       -      That's why many of us here always invest in long-term investments, because most people know that if you are patient, you are sure to have good results from what you do while waiting for the bitcoins or cryptocurrencies you hold.

And I have also heard from many people who have actually made earnings from their long-term holdings because of their patience in waiting for the right time and period for the price of the assets they hold to rise and they are always the winners in the end. I have also not seen anyone who has lost from holding.
Title: Re: Two Paths to Financial Growth: Trading vs Investing
Post by: Mate2237 on March 30, 2025, 07:09:03 PM
Investment is not only for long term but also foe short term. If your bitcoin investment can give you huge profit in one year time, it is an investment. And it is also in other areas of investment. Example. In landed property. If I bought a land this year with the sum of $5, 000,000 for a plot and reaching next year that land has appreciated to $15,000,000, so it is a short term investment I should not sell it? No that is a good profit I have made from the land and sell it and buy again in another location. That is Bitcoin investment is also.

Bitcoin investment is not risky as trading as it was said by different people here and there.
Title: Re: Two Paths to Financial Growth: Trading vs Investing
Post by: SmartGold01 on March 30, 2025, 11:11:25 PM
This two depending on the individual purposes and likeness and I could decides to invest and have peace of mind without me facing that hard time to keep speculating and analyzing the market that regularly unlike those who could be doing trading, which implies that they can segment themselves to either daily, weekly or monthly and these are how they positioned themselves within the various moment depending on how their schedules are that is why some people preferred doing investment over trading but though both can be profitable but depends on how good you could be while trading.
You are right that investing can give people peace of mind because it usually means holding onto something for long time and not checking on it all time. This can be good for people who do not want to think about it too much or do not have a lot of time to look at market. If we see other side trading means being more active and paying attention to market a lot which can be done every day week or month. Both investing and trading can make money but key is being good at understanding market no matter which way you choose. At end whether someone chooses investing or trading depends on what they like how much risk they are willing to take and what they want to achieve with their money.
Trading and investment are all aiming at making profits but what matters most is how desperate they could be while choosing the two, I mean anyone who is that desperate would never want to hold for long time because he might think holding may delay their time therefore they wouldn't mind venturing into trading and, it's true trading are for people who are that in a hurry to make profits from their money but had also forgotten that the more they hurry to Make profit the more they also lose in hurry as well.
Title: Re: Two Paths to Financial Growth: Trading vs Investing
Post by: bhadz on March 31, 2025, 12:36:03 AM
Charlie Munger is right and no doubt why he's the bestfriend of Warren Buffett. They might be old but that's the best approach towards successful investing. Patience is one of the big factor that most investors don't have anymore today. The truth in waiting is a real thing and that's what Bitcoin investors have, we're patient and good in the waiting game. That's why when BTC reached $100k, others didn't even had a second thought of selling at that price because they've taken a long road for that to see.
Title: Re: Two Paths to Financial Growth: Trading vs Investing
Post by: Kemarit on March 31, 2025, 07:46:14 AM
Charlie Munger is right and no doubt why he's the bestfriend of Warren Buffett. They might be old but that's the best approach towards successful investing. Patience is one of the big factor that most investors don't have anymore today. The truth in waiting is a real thing and that's what Bitcoin investors have, we're patient and good in the waiting game. That's why when BTC reached $100k, others didn't even had a second thought of selling at that price because they've taken a long road for that to see.

Everything here should include patience as our main weapon. Just like those old and traditional investors, it took them time and obviously money and the patience to stay in the market and make money.

And it's no secret, and if we are going to apply it currently, we are down like 30% from the last all time high of $109,000. So we can't do anything but to wait for the price to go up again. But it will take some time, as others predict that it will take at least the end of the year. So around nine months to still wait and see how the price will go and hopefully it will be on what we are seeing, around $150,000-$180,000.
Title: Re: Two Paths to Financial Growth: Trading vs Investing
Post by: Nheer on March 31, 2025, 08:48:01 AM
Charlie Munger is right and no doubt why he's the bestfriend of Warren Buffett. They might be old but that's the best approach towards successful investing. Patience is one of the big factor that most investors don't have anymore today. The truth in waiting is a real thing and that's what Bitcoin investors have, we're patient and good in the waiting game. That's why when BTC reached $100k, others didn't even had a second thought of selling at that price because they've taken a long road for that to see.

Everything here should include patience as our main weapon. Just like those old and traditional investors, it took them time and obviously money and the patience to stay in the market and make money.

And it's no secret, and if we are going to apply it currently, we are down like 30% from the last all time high of $109,000. So we can't do anything but to wait for the price to go up again. But it will take some time, as others predict that it will take at least the end of the year. So around nine months to still wait and see how the price will go and hopefully it will be on what we are seeing, around $150,000-$180,000.
patience is the key and as a trader being able to master that mindset will keep you going and consistency really play a big role also. Nine month you said some investors might get tired but the patience is really the key that will lead you to the profitable investment you did. Perfecting patience will really help a trader a lot not only a trader investors also waiting for the perfect time to sell or buy a currency pair will give you a lot of experience.
Title: Re: Two Paths to Financial Growth: Trading vs Investing
Post by: Azharul on March 31, 2025, 08:56:48 AM
Charlie Munger is right and no doubt why he's the bestfriend of Warren Buffett. They might be old but that's the best approach towards successful investing. Patience is one of the big factor that most investors don't have anymore today. The truth in waiting is a real thing and that's what Bitcoin investors have, we're patient and good in the waiting game. That's why when BTC reached $100k, others didn't even had a second thought of selling at that price because they've taken a long road for that to see.

Everything here should include patience as our main weapon. Just like those old and traditional investors, it took them time and obviously money and the patience to stay in the market and make money.

And it's no secret, and if we are going to apply it currently, we are down like 30% from the last all time high of $109,000. So we can't do anything but to wait for the price to go up again. But it will take some time, as others predict that it will take at least the end of the year. So around nine months to still wait and see how the price will go and hopefully it will be on what we are seeing, around $150,000-$180,000.
Actually, i think that your comment is very prefer in this time. So i am also agree with your prefer comment. So if we want to growth our financial asset, we should follow above this financial source. Because we know that trading is one of the best profitable source for earn best profit from cryptocurrency market. So when we start to understand in cryptocurrency market, then gradually trading will be very easy for us. We also know that investment is also very important earning source for earn best profit. So if we can understand clearly in this two sections,  then i think that our financial growth will be sure.
Title: Re: Two Paths to Financial Growth: Trading vs Investing
Post by: bitterguy28 on March 31, 2025, 10:36:09 AM
Yeah, in really doubt investors would make 50-100x by trading, while from 2017-2025 bitcoin investors had that gains by just holding.
to be fair how many people you know have held bitcoin from 2017-2025 without selling at least a cent? holding is easier but it’s still difficult than people can imagine especially once you see that you have made profit already the temptation to sell is high
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This is also true for other markets, such as tesla and Nvidia stocks. The profits were even higher depending on the range you look at. Just by holding
the way you can make significant profit from trading is if you traded huge amounts of money from the start if you have big capital then profit can come earlier and bigger but otherwise it may take you longer
Title: Re: Two Paths to Financial Growth: Trading vs Investing
Post by: JISAN on March 31, 2025, 07:19:11 PM
You can try trading, but the real money is in waiting
Trading is quite lucrative as well but only for the ones who can control their emotions and for the ones who have patience. A good trader can earn so much money in short time period and that's a fact but similarly a weak hand trader can lose hundreds of dollars within a day.
Trading is a means of earning quick money. And quick things are not always good for a person. Investment is a solid framework for earning money. Here it takes a long time to get good earnings but the risk is much less here compared to trading and on the other hand you can earn long term income from investment. I always support investment because investment can change a person's life after a long time. But trading will often behave like gambling which can destroy a person financially. Because no one can ever fully control their emotions when trading.
Title: Re: Two Paths to Financial Growth: Trading vs Investing
Post by: taufik123 on April 02, 2025, 11:53:51 PM
the way you can make significant profit from trading is if you traded huge amounts of money from the start if you have big capital then profit can come earlier and bigger but otherwise it may take you longer
Depending on where you start investing, because with a big modla if you can get the right coin with a good timing it will get big profits too.
Trading scalping certainly gives a commensurate profit with large capital. But the risk will also be bigger. Managing large funds must be done correctly somewhat more optimal.
Title: Re: Two Paths to Financial Growth: Trading vs Investing
Post by: MrSpasybo on April 03, 2025, 07:08:44 PM
Trading is a means of earning quick money. And quick things are not always good for a person. Investment is a solid framework for earning money. Here it takes a long time to get good earnings but the risk is much less here compared to trading and on the other hand you can earn long term income from investment. I always support investment because investment can change a person's life after a long time. But trading will often behave like gambling which can destroy a person financially. Because no one can ever fully control their emotions when trading.
Well, I don't think traders would agree with you on that. Trading is also an art of capital and psychological management. Trading not only generates profits but also creates short-term losses and only yields long-term profits if traders choose a suitable method and adhere to discipline absolutely.

For me, trading is also investing, because traders also put money into the market. Investing includes many areas such as marketing, hunting, supporting, and trading. If investors trade in the short term, they are often called traders, and if they hold assets for the long term and pay little attention to temporary fluctuations in the market, they are holders.
Title: Re: Two Paths to Financial Growth: Trading vs Investing
Post by: ZAINmalik75 on April 03, 2025, 07:41:16 PM
Every good investor says something like this:

You can try trading, but the real money is in waiting
Real money is in waiting but only if we have invested in BTC and waiting. If we invested in some low cap or a memecoin and waiting that waiting won't make us money because mostly those tokens will make us lose. In trading we can give chance to any coin because evenwith memecoins in trading we can make good profit and chances are much better.

For financial growth, we should explore both methods. We should allocate most of the funds for holding and other funds for trading purposes.
Title: Re: Two Paths to Financial Growth: Trading vs Investing
Post by: Bobcrypto on April 03, 2025, 07:42:36 PM
Yeah, in really doubt investors would make 50-100x by trading, while from 2017-2025 bitcoin investors had that gains by just holding.
to be fair how many people you know have held bitcoin from 2017-2025 without selling at least a cent? holding is easier but it’s still difficult than people can imagine especially once you see that you have made profit already the temptation to sell is high
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This is also true for other markets, such as tesla and Nvidia stocks. The profits were even higher depending on the range you look at. Just by holding
the way you can make significant profit from trading is if you traded huge amounts of money from the start if you have big capital then profit can come earlier and bigger but otherwise it may take you longer

Yeah, during holding, at some market bullish momentum, many investors, holders will always take profits, at least, they take profits as a rewards for their efforts. However, i think that there could be some diamonds hands that are still holding on to their bitcoin since 2017 in their cold wallets. Some of this wallet informations is difficult to give figure, that is, the owners as you have asked.
Again, There are still Bitcoin holders who has remained anonymous, it will be very difficult to get the figures or identity of crypto holders. Those with experienced can only trace bitcoin owners addresses and may be able to figure out these holders since 2017.
Title: Re: Two Paths to Financial Growth: Trading vs Investing
Post by: MUGNIA on April 24, 2025, 01:58:26 PM
This two depending on the individual purposes and likeness and I could decides to invest and have peace of mind without me facing that hard time to keep speculating and analyzing the market that regularly unlike those who could be doing trading, which implies that they can segment themselves to either daily, weekly or monthly and these are how they positioned themselves within the various moment depending on how their schedules are that is why some people preferred doing investment over trading but though both can be profitable but depends on how good you could be while trading.
true because everyone has the most comfortable place, whether it's trading or investing, but it's true that our investment doesn't need to have a daily, weekly or even monthly target, where investment is the goal of saving with promising products and every year experiences a normal increase if before there was BTC,  physical gold was the most favorite investment, easy to cash in and the price is also stable if there is a decrease it is not up to 50%
Title: Re: Two Paths to Financial Growth: Trading vs Investing
Post by: SmartGold01 on April 24, 2025, 02:46:24 PM
This two depending on the individual purposes and likeness and I could decides to invest and have peace of mind without me facing that hard time to keep speculating and analyzing the market that regularly unlike those who could be doing trading, which implies that they can segment themselves to either daily, weekly or monthly and these are how they positioned themselves within the various moment depending on how their schedules are that is why some people preferred doing investment over trading but though both can be profitable but depends on how good you could be while trading.
true because everyone has the most comfortable place, whether it's trading or investing, but it's true that our investment doesn't need to have a daily, weekly or even monthly target, where investment is the goal of saving with promising products and every year experiences a normal increase if before there was BTC,  physical gold was the most favorite investment, easy to cash in and the price is also stable if there is a decrease it is not up to 50%
Bitcoin is that volatile in way that it could or may actually dump upto 50 percent from its original price but, however people are still finding it that worthy than other altcoin.
Although physical gold is actually good for those who doesn't believe that much in digitalization, they could invest in gold for less risky investment or if they wouldn't be that panicking over there investment holding physical gold could be a good investment plan than buying or holding Bitcoin for less volatility.
Title: Re: Two Paths to Financial Growth: Trading vs Investing
Post by: Alone055 on April 24, 2025, 03:27:35 PM
Bitcoin is that volatile in way that it could or may actually dump upto 50 percent from its original price but, however people are still finding it that worthy than other altcoin.
Although physical gold is actually good for those who doesn't believe that much in digitalization, they could invest in gold for less risky investment or if they wouldn't be that panicking over there investment holding physical gold could be a good investment plan than buying or holding Bitcoin for less volatility.

You know, money is the most important thing for people these days. People have come to realize that Bitcoin is the most profitable investment asset out there, and this is making people so confused because some people are also afraid of its volatile nature. Still, they also want to get quick profits, and they know Bitcoin can do that for them. This is the reason why most people these days prefer Bitcoin over gold and other investment assets.

Even hardcore gold lovers or those who were always fans of stable returns are getting attracted towards Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies because they can see how so many people are making so much money from this space, and they don't want to miss out on the potential profits they can get.

This fact is the reason why Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies are getting adopted all around the globe.
Title: Re: Two Paths to Financial Growth: Trading vs Investing
Post by: Mr. Magkaisa on April 24, 2025, 06:10:59 PM
This two depending on the individual purposes and likeness and I could decides to invest and have peace of mind without me facing that hard time to keep speculating and analyzing the market that regularly unlike those who could be doing trading, which implies that they can segment themselves to either daily, weekly or monthly and these are how they positioned themselves within the various moment depending on how their schedules are that is why some people preferred doing investment over trading but though both can be profitable but depends on how good you could be while trading.
true because everyone has the most comfortable place, whether it's trading or investing, but it's true that our investment doesn't need to have a daily, weekly or even monthly target, where investment is the goal of saving with promising products and every year experiences a normal increase if before there was BTC,  physical gold was the most favorite investment, easy to cash in and the price is also stable if there is a decrease it is not up to 50%
Bitcoin is that volatile in way that it could or may actually dump upto 50 percent from its original price but, however people are still finding it that worthy than other altcoin.
Although physical gold is actually good for those who doesn't believe that much in digitalization, they could invest in gold for less risky investment or if they wouldn't be that panicking over there investment holding physical gold could be a good investment plan than buying or holding Bitcoin for less volatility.

         -     Aren't there other bitcoin investors who, when they know the market is returning to bear season, will exchange their bitcoin holdings for gold, stablecoins or other cryptocurrencies that are on the top altcoins list? But we must be 100% sure.

But if you are long-term, it's probably okay even if you don't convert to other assets. These are just a few tips or reminders for others who will do or are thinking
about changing crypto assets.
Title: Re: Two Paths to Financial Growth: Trading vs Investing
Post by: Bobcrypto on April 24, 2025, 08:38:06 PM
the way you can make significant profit from trading is if you traded huge amounts of money from the start if you have big capital then profit can come earlier and bigger but otherwise it may take you longer
Depending on where you start investing, because with a big modla if you can get the right coin with a good timing it will get big profits too.
Trading scalping certainly gives a commensurate profit with large capital. But the risk will also be bigger. Managing large funds must be done correctly somewhat more optimal.

Managing large capital on trading, especially Bitcoin is far better than managing smaller capital. In fact, a trader with $100k is far better than a trader with just $10k. For example if both trader enter at the same price, the profit margin at the slightest upward price movements will be obviously bigger.
Again, a trader with $100k will always exit the his position faster than the trader with $10k. Traders with smaller capital bear more market Borden because they may try to wait for longer time for prices to increase further to make tangible profit.
 
Title: Re: Two Paths to Financial Growth: Trading vs Investing
Post by: SmartGold01 on April 25, 2025, 03:32:13 PM
This two depending on the individual purposes and likeness and I could decides to invest and have peace of mind without me facing that hard time to keep speculating and analyzing the market that regularly unlike those who could be doing trading, which implies that they can segment themselves to either daily, weekly or monthly and these are how they positioned themselves within the various moment depending on how their schedules are that is why some people preferred doing investment over trading but though both can be profitable but depends on how good you could be while trading.
true because everyone has the most comfortable place, whether it's trading or investing, but it's true that our investment doesn't need to have a daily, weekly or even monthly target, where investment is the goal of saving with promising products and every year experiences a normal increase if before there was BTC,  physical gold was the most favorite investment, easy to cash in and the price is also stable if there is a decrease it is not up to 50%
Bitcoin is that volatile in way that it could or may actually dump upto 50 percent from its original price but, however people are still finding it that worthy than other altcoin.
Although physical gold is actually good for those who doesn't believe that much in digitalization, they could invest in gold for less risky investment or if they wouldn't be that panicking over there investment holding physical gold could be a good investment plan than buying or holding Bitcoin for less volatility.

         -     Aren't there other bitcoin investors who, when they know the market is returning to bear season, will exchange their bitcoin holdings for gold, stablecoins or other cryptocurrencies that are on the top altcoins list? But we must be 100% sure.

But if you are long-term, it's probably okay even if you don't convert to other assets. These are just a few tips or reminders for others who will do or are thinking
about changing crypto assets.
Of course there are people who do convert their assets to stablecoin while exiting the market and if mostly for those who trading on the cryptocurrency market, and like I know there are traders who doesn't hold their assets in Bitcoin and immediately they are exiting the market they convert to stable coin, especially when they are trading altcoin or memecoin they don't hold it while exiting the market.
Title: Re: Two Paths to Financial Growth: Trading vs Investing
Post by: milewilda on April 26, 2025, 11:29:08 AM
Of course there are people who do convert their assets to stablecoin while exiting the market and if mostly for those who trading on the cryptocurrency market, and like I know there are traders who doesn't hold their assets in Bitcoin and immediately they are exiting the market they convert to stable coin, especially when they are trading altcoin or memecoin they don't hold it while exiting the market.
Each trader do have their own target or goals on which it will be that varying on the duration whether they will be that selling on the peak of bull run and buyback on bearish market or they would be continuing to hold no matter what? It will be that up to you on how you do made out such approach and thats why its important that you do really know on when to take up profits on and when you do make out such buyback. When it comes to financial growth then trading and investing will be giving out that opportunity. It is really just that there are those moments or times that you do get influenced by other factors on which it will be that affecting overall plans you do have. So it will be that up to you on how to set up things.
Title: Re: Two Paths to Financial Growth: Trading vs Investing
Post by: SmartGold01 on April 26, 2025, 02:11:21 PM
Of course there are people who do convert their assets to stablecoin while exiting the market and if mostly for those who trading on the cryptocurrency market, and like I know there are traders who doesn't hold their assets in Bitcoin and immediately they are exiting the market they convert to stable coin, especially when they are trading altcoin or memecoin they don't hold it while exiting the market.
Each trader do have their own target or goals on which it will be that varying on the duration whether they will be that selling on the peak of bull run and buyback on bearish market or they would be continuing to hold no matter what? It will be that up to you on how you do made out such approach and thats why its important that you do really know on when to take up profits on and when you do make out such buyback. When it comes to financial growth then trading and investing will be giving out that opportunity. It is really just that there are those moments or times that you do get influenced by other factors on which it will be that affecting overall plans you do have. So it will be that up to you on how to set up things.
Usually a trader or an investor I mean those who are devoted on their investments do know when and how they should hold their investments or even decide to sell of their investments. Most times traders do like selling off their holdings to a stable currency to close their market because they're aren't sure of the market and how it would definitely close by the night and they wouldn't want lose much on their holdings. But real time investors aren't that panicking on how they should sell off their holdings rather could be thinking of doubling their investments through the dollar cost average (DCA) methods.
Title: Re: Two Paths to Financial Growth: Trading vs Investing
Post by: Asiska02 on April 26, 2025, 08:42:35 PM
This two depending on the individual purposes and likeness and I could decides to invest and have peace of mind without me facing that hard time to keep speculating and analyzing the market that regularly unlike those who could be doing trading, which implies that they can segment themselves to either daily, weekly or monthly and these are how they positioned themselves within the various moment depending on how their schedules are that is why some people preferred doing investment over trading but though both can be profitable but depends on how good you could be while trading.

This two of them has one difference between them even though both of them have those features, it’s more peculiar to one than the other. When you want to go for investment, then you’ve made up your mind to be patient. And when you’re going for trading, you’ve made up your mind to be a risk taker. The two are coherent in nature but you just have to pick the one that fits your niche most.

When you decide to go for trading, you’ve made up your mind to risk more often than just sitting and not taking any risk. While going for investment requires you to exercise patient till the investment is matured enough to take profits. The market is very volatile and unstable but when you pick the one you can handle and work towards achieving it, you’ll earn well from the market.
Title: Re: Two Paths to Financial Growth: Trading vs Investing
Post by: Faisal2202 on April 26, 2025, 09:40:13 PM
This two depending on the individual purposes and likeness and I could decides to invest and have peace of mind without me facing that hard time to keep speculating and analyzing the market that regularly unlike those who could be doing trading, which implies that they can segment themselves to either daily, weekly or monthly and these are how they positioned themselves within the various moment depending on how their schedules are that is why some people preferred doing investment over trading but though both can be profitable but depends on how good you could be while trading.
Right, and trading requires more energy, knowledge and activeness. People like me who are lazy, don't follow market when they starts to dump, don't comprehend why it dumped, so I could gather some funds if market shows some pumping from that dump, these times are sensitive and I left market at these times.

We should really schedule everything, make some pattern, and should stick to it. BTW I just noticed the OP got that red tag, first I don't know what this mean, second why did he get that.
Title: Re: Two Paths to Financial Growth: Trading vs Investing
Post by: doc on April 26, 2025, 10:32:52 PM
This two depending on the individual purposes and likeness and I could decides to invest and have peace of mind without me facing that hard time to keep speculating and analyzing the market that regularly unlike those who could be doing trading, which implies that they can segment themselves to either daily, weekly or monthly and these are how they positioned themselves within the various moment depending on how their schedules are that is why some people preferred doing investment over trading but though both can be profitable but depends on how good you could be while trading.
Right, and trading requires more energy, knowledge and activeness. People like me who are lazy, don't follow market when they starts to dump, don't comprehend why it dumped, so I could gather some funds if market shows some pumping from that dump, these times are sensitive and I left market at these times.

We should really schedule everything, make some pattern, and should stick to it. BTW I just noticed the OP got that red tag, first I don't know what this mean, second why did he get that.
Trading really requires focus, activity and sufficient knowledge. Where we have to really monitor the market, make analysis and develop the right strategy, as many traders explain in their comments. And this requires good experience to become a professional trader. If we are lazy, we should choose to become a hoder.
Title: Re: Two Paths to Financial Growth: Trading vs Investing
Post by: Legion on April 30, 2025, 03:45:38 PM
Trading really requires focus, activity and sufficient knowledge. Where we have to really monitor the market, make analysis and develop the right strategy, as many traders explain in their comments. And this requires good experience to become a professional trader. If we are lazy, we should choose to become a hoder.
Becoming a professional trader I would guess does take time and practise, but that does not mean that somebody can not be in the crypto world. Here is the value add of patience and calmness. Not everyone would wish to follow schemes that offer a couple of bucks which can easily disappear in a couple of minutes. If you prefer to judge an asset by its future beliefs and if you think that you are at ease with such a strategy, there is nothing wrong. This also means that investing is passible, so as any other form of investment, if one knows what they own. The most significant problem is that one can have no idea of the goal, whether it is in trading or in saving.
Title: Re: Two Paths to Financial Growth: Trading vs Investing
Post by: Faisal2202 on April 30, 2025, 04:56:35 PM
Trading really requires focus, activity and sufficient knowledge. Where we have to really monitor the market, make analysis and develop the right strategy, as many traders explain in their comments. And this requires good experience to become a professional trader. If we are lazy, we should choose to become a hoder.
Haha so you are directly calling all these holders lazy, haha I hope they won't mind it haha. Although I am a holder too but I did not meant to hold my investments this long but due to dump I have to hold my funds till now. If it recovers to the point I wanted it before, I will be out.

Speaking of focus, and good experience, all these are totally necessary, but one more thing is necessary, and that is time. If we don't have time we can't really focus on anything, like if we are students, doing part-time job, and studying, and also giving time to trading. This can work out for them, but it is really tiresome because I have been there, so I had to leave trading. In such cases, we can follow some famous influencers and can join their paid groups if we manage some funds.
Title: Re: Two Paths to Financial Growth: Trading vs Investing
Post by: Mr. Magkaisa on April 30, 2025, 08:02:32 PM
Of course there are people who do convert their assets to stablecoin while exiting the market and if mostly for those who trading on the cryptocurrency market, and like I know there are traders who doesn't hold their assets in Bitcoin and immediately they are exiting the market they convert to stable coin, especially when they are trading altcoin or memecoin they don't hold it while exiting the market.
Each trader do have their own target or goals on which it will be that varying on the duration whether they will be that selling on the peak of bull run and buyback on bearish market or they would be continuing to hold no matter what? It will be that up to you on how you do made out such approach and thats why its important that you do really know on when to take up profits on and when you do make out such buyback. When it comes to financial growth then trading and investing will be giving out that opportunity. It is really just that there are those moments or times that you do get influenced by other factors on which it will be that affecting overall plans you do have. So it will be that up to you on how to set up things.
Usually a trader or an investor I mean those who are devoted on their investments do know when and how they should hold their investments or even decide to sell of their investments. Most times traders do like selling off their holdings to a stable currency to close their market because they're aren't sure of the market and how it would definitely close by the night and they wouldn't want lose much on their holdings. But real time investors aren't that panicking on how they should sell off their holdings rather could be thinking of doubling their investments through the dollar cost average (DCA) methods.

         -      That's exactly how an investor's character should be, to be critical and do a due diligence first, give value to the capital for the cryptocurrency assets that we will buy besides bitcoin. So that other communities can also see how they value the investment capital that they will use if ever they see or hear crypto that they are being cautious about this matter.

So if they are hesitant to trade, the safest thing is to just do it long-term and at least wait and set what price and when they will sell, that's it.
Title: Re: Two Paths to Financial Growth: Trading vs Investing
Post by: albon on April 30, 2025, 08:41:22 PM
To me, there is very little difference between crypto trading and investing but there is a strong similarity in that you have to deal with a lot of risk in both. One of the great advantages of investing in crypto is that you can have a great opportunity to grow your capital over time. Being a long term investor can potentially benefit one but in many cases, short term investments are also profitable. Also, to me investing in crypto is less risky than trading. Therefore, investors should ensure that they understand the fundamentals of crypto and the risks involved. However, those who understand trading well can make good profits because you will get profits from trading every day.