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Title: Have you ever suspected a casino of using a fake RNG? How did you figure it out?
Post by: DragonSlots on April 15, 2025, 01:41:01 PM
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When you start playing slots, you might not know what a Random Number Generator (RNG) is. I didn’t either ;D. I chose slots based on looks or what others said. But understanding RNG is key to ensuring fair play.
An RNG quickly generates random numbers, deciding the outcome the moment you press "spin." Without it, games like slots and blackjack wouldn’t be fair. RNG makes sure the game is based on luck, not manipulation (by third parties).
Honestly, I tried to understand the mathematical process from scratch, but I couldn't. This is pure math, and I hate numbers ;D. In simple terms, RNG uses a starting point called a "Seed" (like the computer’s clock) and creates a number through it. This happens before you even spin. The result is decided instantly, so you won’t notice it.
RNG ensures fairness, giving all players the same chance. If you win, it’s RNG choosing you as the lucky one. Luck is really just math behind the scenes.
Many casinos claim to use RNG, but only trusted ones use verified systems. Licensed casinos must pass checks from authorities like eCOGRA or iTech Labs, ensuring their RNG is safe. While fake RNGs have existed, they’re rare today due to strict rules.
So, when you play, remember RNG keeps things fair. You can’t control luck, but you can control how you play. I stick to slots with high RTP (97% or more) and low volatility. I set a budget, bet small, and enjoy bonuses (even the smaller ones). For me, it’s about fun... Thanks to RNG, I accept losses as part of the luck process (or at least I try hard ;)).
This question is for you guys: Have you ever suspected a casino of using a fake RNG? How did you figure it out?
P.S. No need to mention the name of the casino.
Title: Re: Have you ever suspected a casino of using a fake RNG? How did you figure it out?
Post by: SmartGold01 on April 16, 2025, 04:17:03 AM
I don't put my eyes so much on slot games, but one thing I understand about this RNG is since the system is designed by the gaming company it's also possible to be manipulative because they wouldn't that to be that favoring the gamers instead, it would favor the operators ( casino owners). That is why you must trust those gambling site.
Title: Re: Have you ever suspected a casino of using a fake RNG? How did you figure it out?
Post by: |MINER| on April 16, 2025, 01:41:09 PM
Casino sites promote themselves in such a way that they play fair games in their casinos. But in reality we don't know if they are actually running fair gaming or not.
And I don't think I have the knowledge to know this because we don't know which game software provider they are getting from and what code they are using in the games, and it is normal for a common person not to know.

So until now I never suspected a casino for using a fake random number generate. And this is why most of the time I spend my gambling on the sports betting.
Title: Re: Have you ever suspected a casino of using a fake RNG? How did you figure it out?
Post by: Zed0X on April 16, 2025, 01:42:19 PM
Have you ever encountered the term 'provably fair'? It's pretty common for crypto casinos nowadays to let their customers verify that the results are fair through the blockchain. I think there are still some crypto casinos that aren't provably fair but most high rollers tend to avoid them. Perhaps they aren't faking RNG but I don't see the point why they do not allow verification.
Title: Re: Have you ever suspected a casino of using a fake RNG? How did you figure it out?
Post by: target on April 16, 2025, 05:26:31 PM
Quote from: Zed0X on April 16, 2025, 01:42:19 PM
Have you ever encountered the term 'provably fair'? It's pretty common for crypto casinos nowadays to let their customers verify that the results are fair through the blockchain. I think there are still some crypto casinos that aren't provably fair but most high rollers tend to avoid them. Perhaps they aren't faking RNG but I don't see the point why they do not allow verification.

This is where we can verify the fairness by checking the server and client seed. Although this makes them fair, I somehow feel like they can manipulate these seeds. This is why I am not playing to dice games anymore. They seem convincing that the casinos are fair with their luck base games, but some are not easy to believe it.

But is RNG uses 3rd party for its fairness verification. Maybe they are more fair.
Title: Re: Have you ever suspected a casino of using a fake RNG? How did you figure it out?
Post by: bitterguy28 on April 16, 2025, 06:33:17 PM
Quote from: SmartGold01 on April 16, 2025, 04:17:03 AM
I don't put my eyes so much on slot games, but one thing I understand about this RNG is since the system is designed by the gaming company it's also possible to be manipulative because they wouldn't that to be that favoring the gamers instead, it would favor the operators ( casino owners). That is why you must trust those gambling site.
some government has laws about this they do check the randomness of the system and while the casino may design the system into their benefit, the government may require them to put in odds where payout is possible still

true rng is not possible we just try to stimulate or create randomness so it’s all just pseudo rng but it doesn’t mean that it’s manipulated or rigged completely
Title: Re: Have you ever suspected a casino of using a fake RNG? How did you figure it out?
Post by: Kemarit on April 18, 2025, 06:11:22 AM
No, I haven't suspected a casino that is rigging it's RNG because I only played on casino that has the reputation already and gained the trust of the community. Although around 2017, I have play on one casinos, have some minor losses and suddenly this casino exited and there are players that still have some balance or those who have won big money.

But it's totally different right now, although if I caught one of them then obviously, I will have to exposed them and give them proved and tell others not to play on that casino.
Title: Re: Have you ever suspected a casino of using a fake RNG? How did you figure it out?
Post by: bisdak40 on April 19, 2025, 05:24:25 PM
I had experienced that too. Spun so many times with no wins, and it felt rigged on online casinos. I didn’t know about RNG back then, so I thought the game was fake.
Title: Re: Have you ever suspected a casino of using a fake RNG? How did you figure it out?
Post by: Aanuoluwatofunmi on April 19, 2025, 08:42:21 PM
I don't think I've ever once suspected any gambling casino for this and even if I do, I don't think I will have to take any necessary action as against them, because gambling to them is a business and that may be part of their own way of making money, once am gambling, I don't make use of any amount not money I can't afford on bet, so checking on whether they try to present a fake RNG is nothing but a serious headache on anyone trying to do so, because at the end, you achieve nothing.
Title: Re: Have you ever suspected a casino of using a fake RNG? How did you figure it out?
Post by: Rruchi man on April 19, 2025, 09:18:25 PM
Some paranoid individuals who happen to also be gamblers may be quick to suspect a casino even though the casino is legitimate and not trying to cheat in any way. They cannot just agree that it could just be their luck, but they keep blaming the casino without any good reason. Gamblers like these are not different from others who always seek for other people to blame; it is a sign of irresponsibility when an individual suspects a casino without any real proof or reason to.
Title: Re: Have you ever suspected a casino of using a fake RNG? How did you figure it out?
Post by: SamReomo on April 19, 2025, 09:30:33 PM
Quote from: |MINER| on April 16, 2025, 01:41:09 PM
Casino sites promote themselves in such a way that they play fair games in their casinos. But in reality we don't know if they are actually running fair gaming or not.
Well, that's a question most of us think and to be honest no one really knows exactly that what happens behind the scenes with that fair play system.

We only understand and know what casinos tell us.  Like when it comes to house edge they tell us that they have 1% or 4% house edge but in reality that can be higher but no one can prove that.
Title: Re: Have you ever suspected a casino of using a fake RNG? How did you figure it out?
Post by: Baofeng on April 20, 2025, 12:19:11 AM
Just a hunch, but I didn't verify it, maybe I was just too lazy or just doesn't want to go to that routine. But with a lot of casinos right now, who knows, maybe there are still rigging the results.

So it's really better at least to learn how to check it. You need to understand what is:

a hash of the server seed
the client seed (browser-generated)
the nonce
the final result
Title: Re: Have you ever suspected a casino of using a fake RNG? How did you figure it out?
Post by: 0t3p0t on April 20, 2025, 08:56:20 AM
Quote from: SmartGold01 on April 16, 2025, 04:17:03 AM
I don't put my eyes so much on slot games, but one thing I understand about this RNG is since the system is designed by the gaming company it's also possible to be manipulative because they wouldn't that to be that favoring the gamers instead, it would favor the operators ( casino owners). That is why you must trust those gambling site.
Yeah I also think that most of them are manipulating it in favor of them though based on my gambling activities before, I have never tried to do research or even asked the platform about it but just play and go. But I have thoughts of that possibility they've been doing that for so many years.
Title: Re: Have you ever suspected a casino of using a fake RNG? How did you figure it out?
Post by: bitterguy28 on April 20, 2025, 04:37:45 PM
Quote from: Baofeng on April 20, 2025, 12:19:11 AM
Just a hunch, but I didn't verify it, maybe I was just too lazy or just doesn't want to go to that routine. But with a lot of casinos right now, who knows, maybe there are still rigging the results.
without evidence you will only look like you are defaming the platform since you can’t present any concrete proof so it is better to not jump to conclusions and post about the casinos all over the internet lest you might be the one to experience serious consequences
Title: Re: Have you ever suspected a casino of using a fake RNG? How did you figure it out?
Post by: Findingnemo on April 21, 2025, 10:32:11 PM
Don't trust, just verify.

Casinos allows their users fo verify the fairness of the results which is done by seed client and the user client that generates prior to the one so when you verify it tells us that whether the casino is playing rigged game or not.

Casinos won't be doing that, if they are exposed then it's their loss that took millions of dollars to create the reputation.
Title: Re: Have you ever suspected a casino of using a fake RNG? How did you figure it out?
Post by: Kemarit on April 23, 2025, 01:06:07 PM
Quote from: bitterguy28 on April 20, 2025, 04:37:45 PM
Quote from: Baofeng on April 20, 2025, 12:19:11 AM
Just a hunch, but I didn't verify it, maybe I was just too lazy or just doesn't want to go to that routine. But with a lot of casinos right now, who knows, maybe there are still rigging the results.
without evidence you will only look like you are defaming the platform since you can’t present any concrete proof so it is better to not jump to conclusions and post about the casinos all over the internet lest you might be the one to experience serious consequences

Yes, that is correct, we can't have that gut feeling that casinos are cheating because we need to show prove of evidence and so you need to have that before you can make accusations.

But in any case, it could be a good practice from time to time to check everything if it is really provably fair or not. It's not like a physical casinos that you can't do it. Everyone has the power to see it for themselves.