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Cryptocurrency Ecosystem => Bitcoin Forum => Topic started by: Bobcrypto on April 18, 2025, 03:10:00 PM
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Its very clear that speculators are integral part the Bitcoin market makers/takers, and the reason for the up or downward price movements over times. For some times, many schools of thought (analysis)believe that speculators are responsible for the market dumps, while other believe that short term/middle term holders are to blame for Btc dumps. Some analyst also thought that short term holders are panic sellers who could actually be these speculators, unfortunately, this argument continues to linger.
Now, just want to be curious, who do you think are to be blame for btc dumps?
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If the market truly works with the principles of demands and supplies, taking calculated steps in trading and investing will not be too difficult, except with the influence of economic development or decline, as it won't be difficult to articulate the direction of the market. Speculators yes, have their part to take from the blame on why Bitcoin is on a dump, yet whales also have their own effect on the price dump on Bitcoin as well. With an overview, there will always be speculators as we will always have some big whales, very rich and wealthy people, who when they speak, their influence goes across the world and the stock/crypto market.
There are numerous factors that are all together that causes the dump in the price of Bitcoin.
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Now, just want to be curious, who do you think are to be blame for btc dumps?
Which dump again? No dump recently. When bitcoin fall from $100000 to $75000 which occur not long ago? Everybody know that it has something to do with Trump trade war. The tariff he imposed on other countries at the time caused it.
He paused the tariffs for 90 days and the price went up immediately after the news. Bitcoin is still always above $83000 now which as been a strong support since.
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Which dump again? No dump recently. When bitcoin fall from $100000 to $75000 which occur not long ago? Everybody know that it has something to do with Trump trade war. The tariff he imposed on other countries at the time caused it.
He paused the tariffs for 90 days and the price went up immediately after the news. Bitcoin is still always above $83000 now which as been a strong support since.
What I see is trump playing with the crypto market. The number of sudden fluctuations and movement in price ever since trump became president of the United States is just way too much. The market ranges trump does something and then price falls drastically.
The next moment something else happens and then price retraces back up super fast. We seem to be growing in price gradually who knows what will happen next?
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Its very clear that speculators are integral part the Bitcoin market makers/takers, and the reason for the up or downward price movements over times. For some times, many schools of thought (analysis)believe that speculators are responsible for the market dumps, while other believe that short term/middle term holders are to blame for Btc dumps. Some analyst also thought that short term holders are panic sellers who could actually be these speculators, unfortunately, this argument continues to linger.
Now, just want to be curious, who do you think are to be blame for btc dumps?
Actually, the majority of dumps happen because of the circulation of different kinds of news, and as of the current time frame, the current dump reason was tariffs, and those whom you are calling short-term holders are becoming prey to FOMO, and they sold their holdings. In this way, it also affects the market holdings. In the Bitcoin, FOMO plays a big role in washing short-term holder portfolios, and in this way, those who are long-term holders get another opportunity to fill their bags again in the dips.
I personally believe that short-term holders have a large amount of money, which means they are also big holders, and their exit from the market due to the circulating news affects the market condition. What do you think? CMIIW!
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Just talking about this recent downward price movement, from 109k to 78k
I believe that the biggest influences on the price were the exchanges, especially after the Bybit hack, and the big investors via ETFs
I could see a lot of selling of ETFs, and after Bybit was hacked there was a lot of suspicious movement to liquidate longs and then shorts on the market
But it's hard to prove, since exchanges can't do anything with the information they have on leveraged positions
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Its very clear that speculators are integral part the Bitcoin market makers/takers, and the reason for the up or downward price movements over times. For some times, many schools of thought (analysis)believe that speculators are responsible for the market dumps, while other believe that short term/middle term holders are to blame for Btc dumps. Some analyst also thought that short term holders are panic sellers who could actually be these speculators, unfortunately, this argument continues to linger.
Now, just want to be curious, who do you think are to be blame for btc dumps?
I don't think so because everytime I hear massive market movement Big players are involved so maybe some kind of market manipulation rather than just speculators and short term holders. Market is what big players battleground is.
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Its very clear that speculators are integral part the Bitcoin market makers/takers, and the reason for the up or downward price movements over times. For some times, many schools of thought (analysis)believe that speculators are responsible for the market dumps, while other believe that short term/middle term holders are to blame for Btc dumps. Some analyst also thought that short term holders are panic sellers who could actually be these speculators, unfortunately, this argument continues to linger.
Now, just want to be curious, who do you think are to be blame for btc dumps?
Speculators? I thought we were all blaming Trump for the price fall.
Well, a lot has happened recently that has affected Bitcoin's price in one way or the other, ranging from high expectations from Trump, the Bybit hack, tariffs, the forces of demand and supply, and even speculations. We cannot blame only the speculators; a lot has happened during this period.
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;D Just blame everyone who buys and sells BTC because everyone speculates on where the market is going. The timing just differs for everyone. Even the guys who seem to be believers/hodlers now will someday sell at a point where they speculate that it's the peak price.
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Its very clear that speculators are integral part the Bitcoin market makers/takers, and the reason for the up or downward price movements over times. For some times, many schools of thought (analysis)believe that speculators are responsible for the market dumps, while other believe that short term/middle term holders are to blame for Btc dumps. Some analyst also thought that short term holders are panic sellers who could actually be these speculators, unfortunately, this argument continues to linger.
Now, just want to be curious, who do you think are to be blame for btc dumps?
Bitcoin is an asset not a company so the supply and demand specifically driven by the holders so yeah speculators are the sole responsibility for price trends but is that wrong in any way?
Or, are we talking about whales here?
Who dump and bump the prices whenever they intend to bag money but it's not even wrong they're taking risk by liquidating their billions.
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Its very clear that speculators are integral part the Bitcoin market makers/takers, and the reason for the up or downward price movements over times. For some times, many schools of thought (analysis)believe that speculators are responsible for the market dumps, while other believe that short term/middle term holders are to blame for Btc dumps. Some analyst also thought that short term holders are panic sellers who could actually be these speculators, unfortunately, this argument continues to linger.
Now, just want to be curious, who do you think are to be blame for btc dumps?
I think speculators are just part of dumping the price of cryptocurrency, and then it depends on the speculators if they are influential people, for example Trump is a very influential person and has connections, he can give a cause no matter how to dump the price of bitcoin.
Elon Musk has quite a strong influence to give a rally to the price of a cryptocurrency especially when he posts meme coins even if it's just a name, for sure many communities will sell or buy the price of whatever meme coins it is.
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Now, just want to be curious, who do you think are to be blame for btc dumps?
Which dump again? No dump recently. When bitcoin fall from $100000 to $75000 which occur not long ago? Everybody know that it has something to do with Trump trade war. The tariff he imposed on other countries at the time caused it.
He paused the tariffs for 90 days and the price went up immediately after the news. Bitcoin is still always above $83000 now which as been a strong support since.
Not current dumps but who could be responsible for the Btc past and present dumps. Put your thought on this immediate past to alliened with everyone.
Again, President Trump economic policies does affected the markets and cause Bitcoin dumps, there are other reasons that could cause market dumps at intervals. Speculators, whales, short/term holders, bad news, wars/remor of wars, etc has been some of the reasons why Bitcoin will experience dumps.
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Its very clear that speculators are integral part the Bitcoin market makers/takers, and the reason for the up or downward price movements over times. For some times, many schools of thought (analysis)believe that speculators are responsible for the market dumps, while other believe that short term/middle term holders are to blame for Btc dumps. Some analyst also thought that short term holders are panic sellers who could actually be these speculators, unfortunately, this argument continues to linger.
Now, just want to be curious, who do you think are to be blame for btc dumps?
Big whales are to be blame for BTC dumps because these speculators are small they don't have enough money to pump or dump the BTC but these whales have big impact. Although mostly say, we can't dump and pump BTC price but whales can easily do that.
They don't do that directly but with the help of social media and news all that, they share some bad news and spread the heat and these small speculators buy that and with the whales money combined with these small speculators money market dumps.
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Getting into the blame game is not actually something people should NOT focus on...instead we have to concentrate on how to make money when the market is up and when the market is down. Nobody can stop speculators...and I don't think the market will be the same if we delete these people from the scene. Of course, nobody can stop speculators because this is already a free market where all may try to influence the market in the direction one may wish to happen. Maybe we should instead discuss if there is a possibility that speculators can be removed from the market and what would happen if they would be gone.
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Getting into the blame game is not actually something people should NOT focus on...instead we have to concentrate on how to make money when the market is up and when the market is down. Nobody can stop speculators...and I don't think the market will be the same if we delete these people from the scene. Of course, nobody can stop speculators because this is already a free market where all may try to influence the market in the direction one may wish to happen. Maybe we should instead discuss if there is a possibility that speculators can be removed from the market and what would happen if they would be gone.
It will be difficult to remove speculators from the market, a free market just like you said, and speculation is also a free market options for every traders/ investors, others. There are certain things which can never be removed because Btc is a decentralized ecosystem, not controlled by any body and the only means to identify everyone that are involved from its activities is through transactions addresses, unfortunately, some addresses may be dormant for long periods. Again, if everyone can influence the market, then it is obvious that speculation could be some traders/investors trading strategies and is part of crypto business. This is my view.
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There is a single "thing" that is to be blamed for the situation and that is the orange clown sitting in the WhiteHouse.
If it hadn't been for him, there would be nothing to speculate about, simple as that.
Big whales are to be blame for BTC dumps because these speculators are small they don't have enough money to pump or dump the BTC but these whales have big impact. Although mostly say, we can't dump and pump BTC price but whales can easily do that.
Well, everyone blames the whales for dumps but nobody is grateful for the pumps when they are buying in...weird ;)
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Getting into the blame game is not actually something people should NOT focus on...instead we have to concentrate on how to make money when the market is up and when the market is down. Nobody can stop speculators...and I don't think the market will be the same if we delete these people from the scene. Of course, nobody can stop speculators because this is already a free market where all may try to influence the market in the direction one may wish to happen. Maybe we should instead discuss if there is a possibility that speculators can be removed from the market and what would happen if they would be gone.
It will be difficult to remove speculators from the market, a free market just like you said, and speculation is also a free market options for every traders/ investors, others. There are certain things which can never be removed because Btc is a decentralized ecosystem, not controlled by any body and the only means to identify everyone that are involved from its activities is through transactions addresses, unfortunately, some addresses may be dormant for long periods. Again, if everyone can influence the market, then it is obvious that speculation could be some traders/investors trading strategies and is part of crypto business. This is my view.
whales can manipulate the market, this is the reality that we see. and they have a community to be able to manipulate the market because it takes a lot of capital to be able to do it.
Maybe [speculators blame bitcoin for falling, but I think the current price of bitcoin is falling because of the influence of the tariff war between the US and China, not the actions of whales.
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Getting into the blame game is not actually something people should NOT focus on...instead we have to concentrate on how to make money when the market is up and when the market is down. Nobody can stop speculators...and I don't think the market will be the same if we delete these people from the scene. Of course, nobody can stop speculators because this is already a free market where all may try to influence the market in the direction one may wish to happen. Maybe we should instead discuss if there is a possibility that speculators can be removed from the market and what would happen if they would be gone.
It will be difficult to remove speculators from the market, a free market just like you said, and speculation is also a free market options for every traders/ investors, others. There are certain things which can never be removed because Btc is a decentralized ecosystem, not controlled by any body and the only means to identify everyone that are involved from its activities is through transactions addresses, unfortunately, some addresses may be dormant for long periods. Again, if everyone can influence the market, then it is obvious that speculation could be some traders/investors trading strategies and is part of crypto business. This is my view.
whales can manipulate the market, this is the reality that we see. and they have a community to be able to manipulate the market because it takes a lot of capital to be able to do it.
Maybe [speculators blame bitcoin for falling, but I think the current price of bitcoin is falling because of the influence of the tariff war between the US and China, not the actions of whales.
For me that is expected from speculators, they are going to sell no matter what the circumstances, and only for one thing, to make profit. I do not think that they are selling to manipulate, perhaps that is the role of whales and maybe speculators follow them. But then again, the market is big enough for everyone, speculators, average joe investors, whales and so it's very hard to manipulate it even if they have billions here. And it doesn't make sense for whales to manipulate the market as they already have a huge amount in their wallet. So there is no one to blame for the crash.
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Well, everyone blames the whales for dumps but nobody is grateful for the pumps when they are buying in...weird ;)
That's right, we should not only blame them for the bad but for the good too and I did mentioned dump and pump both together, but it might sound like I am trying to say they are the main cause for the dumps and that's true too but when pumps happen they are also a good reason, but not that big as they are in dump.
Whales have their place and work, no one should blame no one, we should blame only ourselves ;)
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There is a single "thing" that is to be blamed for the situation and that is the orange clown sitting in the WhiteHouse.
If it hadn't been for him, there would be nothing to speculate about, simple as that.
Big whales are to be blame for BTC dumps because these speculators are small they don't have enough money to pump or dump the BTC but these whales have big impact. Although mostly say, we can't dump and pump BTC price but whales can easily do that.
Well, everyone blames the whales for dumps but nobody is grateful for the pumps when they are buying in...weird ;)
It's because we are happy when we see the price going up and being pump by this whales.
Not saying that we are ungrateful, but in life we only see the bad side of things or even people that we know. And with that, it is the same in every aspect even in crypto. That we blame the whales for dumping, but when we have a good pump, we don't give credit to them. :)
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There is a single "thing" that is to be blamed for the situation and that is the orange clown sitting in the WhiteHouse.
If it hadn't been for him, there would be nothing to speculate about, simple as that.
Big whales are to be blame for BTC dumps because these speculators are small they don't have enough money to pump or dump the BTC but these whales have big impact. Although mostly say, we can't dump and pump BTC price but whales can easily do that.
Well, everyone blames the whales for dumps but nobody is grateful for the pumps when they are buying in...weird ;)
It's because we are happy when we see the price going up and being pump by this whales.
Not saying that we are ungrateful, but in life we only see the bad side of things or even people that we know. And with that, it is the same in every aspect even in crypto. That we blame the whales for dumping, but when we have a good pump, we don't give credit to them. :)
Blaming one party that is even a market driver like the Pope is not going to be a solution, It's about how fundamentals are played by influential people like the people in the white house as @Stompix said, they play the market with a positive narrative at first but then there is no response whatsoever about bitcoin and such.
Whales just like retail traders want to profit from the trades made, they have more money and will have an effect on the rise and fall of market prices in the meantime.
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If the market truly works with the principles of demands and supplies, taking calculated steps in trading and investing will not be too difficult, except with the influence of economic development or decline, as it won't be difficult to articulate the direction of the market. Speculators yes, have their part to take from the blame on why Bitcoin is on a dump, yet whales also have their own effect on the price dump on Bitcoin as well. With an overview, there will always be speculators as we will always have some big whales, very rich and wealthy people, who when they speak, their influence goes across the world and the stock/crypto market.
There are numerous factors that are all together that causes the dump in the price of Bitcoin.market,
you're right the cryptocurrency market, including Bitcoin is influence by various factors. I think buying and selling activities can impact market sentiment and price movement. also large scale investors can significantly influence the market with their transactions,the interplay withing these factors creates complex market dynamics.
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Maybe, but i don’t sure it will be main reason for dumb bitcoin in cryptocurrency market. We know that bitcoin is one of the best profitable crypto in cryptocurrency world. But we also know that cryptocurrency market always depending on up and down. So i think that there will be many reason for dumping bitcoin in cryptocurrency market. I think that war will be a best source for decrease bitcoin price. But if we follow in the Worldwide, we can see that Trump’s tariff war is also be a main reason in this time.