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Title: Low Quality Posts & LQP Penalties: How to deal with shitposters
Post by: RianDrops on April 07, 2018, 03:24:04 PM
Good solution for the problem admin, but my concern is, how about supporting ICO ANN or Thread like: This is a great project! I will support this. Should we include that? And another concern, how about those member who already ranked up to their respective ranks now who posted low quality posts? Should it affect their previous posts?
Title: Re: Low Quality Posts & LQP Penalties: How to deal with shitposters
Post by: admin on April 07, 2018, 04:01:06 PM
Good solution for the problem admin, but my concern is, how about supporting ICO ANN or Thread like: This is a great project! I will support this. Should we include that? And another concern, how about those member who already ranked up to their respective ranks now who posted low quality posts? Should it affect their previous posts?

this penalty will only address those who abuse,
meaning, from time to time everyone will post a low quality reply, they are not the ones targeted in this penalty
The people targeted are those who do this all the time or very frequently , to rank up
i will no go backward, but if i happen to find anyone doing it since this penalty is introduced, then he will lose a certain amount of post counts, 10, 20, 30 etc ...
thus please everyone, no more shitty posts!
Title: Re: Low Quality Posts & LQP Penalties: How to deal with shitposters
Post by: RianDrops on April 07, 2018, 04:05:54 PM
Good solution for the problem admin, but my concern is, how about supporting ICO ANN or Thread like: This is a great project! I will support this. Should we include that? And another concern, how about those member who already ranked up to their respective ranks now who posted low quality posts? Should it affect their previous posts?

this penalty will only address those who abuse,
meaning, from time to time everyone will post a low quality reply, they are not the ones targeted in this penalty
The people targeted are those who do this all the time or very frequently , to rank up
i will no go backward, but if i happen to find anyone doing it since this penalty is introduced, then he will lose a certain amount of post counts, 10, 20, 30 etc ...
thus please everyone, no more shitty posts!

Copy sir! I will translate this on my local language and post this as a warning to everyone!
Title: Re: Low Quality Posts & LQP Penalties: How to deal with shitposters
Post by: dragononcrypto on April 07, 2018, 04:24:44 PM
There is a saying This Is Why We Can’t Have Nice Things

There is always some people that will try to cheat the system,

On this forum as you might have noticed we have an easy ranking up system, no waiting for several month to rank up ...
this led some to abuse of the system just to rank up, giving these people negative karma will not prevent them from improving their contribution.

For example, i have came accross many account that reply by 1 or 2 words, just to increase the post count. Even one account was replying "this is great" for practically everything ...

We can not let this pass by, that's why i am introducing the low quality penalty.

If you find such a member, please pm me, or send him a link to this post.

The penalty will be the reduction of posts count, thus loss or reduce in rank.

Anyone posting low quality replies very frequently or bumping threads with duplicated content or quoting of previous text, will suffer from this penalty.

My advise:
If you want to rank up, there is absolutely no problem, and i have nothing against that, but rank with quality posts, not shit posts!!
Best option:
1- Post questions/ answers in your local language section.
2- Contribute in discussions give your opinion.

Good thinking. I'd also like to recommend that there be a minimum karma level at some point soon to rank up. Although there is no real benefit to ranking up, it'd be nice to have an incentive to become a Sr member and above, rather than just by posting a lot. Starting with the idea of having Jr Members requiring neutral karma (which is similar to idea of for airdrops/withdrawals requiring 0 karma anyway) followed by Sr and above requiring a small amount of karma. For me, someone isn't a Jr Member if they have negative karma, they are more likely a spammer. This is so that someone Sr has at least contributed something worthwhile (rather than just a lot of posts), while Hero and above needing to contribute "enough" for said rank.

For example:
Jr Member: 0 karma
Sr Member: 1 karma
Hero Member: X karma
Legendary Member: X karma.

I realise this might be a controversial proposal to some, as BTT has the Merit system, but please remember that the main failure of this system is the bar is set so high (100 for full member for example). I'd therefore suggest a very low karma minimum requirement level, as an experiment.
It'd be nice to hear people's thoughts on this issue.
Title: Re: Low Quality Posts & LQP Penalties: How to deal with shitposters
Post by: admin on April 07, 2018, 04:43:13 PM
There is a saying This Is Why We Can’t Have Nice Things

There is always some people that will try to cheat the system,

On this forum as you might have noticed we have an easy ranking up system, no waiting for several month to rank up ...
this led some to abuse of the system just to rank up, giving these people negative karma will not prevent them from improving their contribution.

For example, i have came accross many account that reply by 1 or 2 words, just to increase the post count. Even one account was replying "this is great" for practically everything ...

We can not let this pass by, that's why i am introducing the low quality penalty.

If you find such a member, please pm me, or send him a link to this post.

The penalty will be the reduction of posts count, thus loss or reduce in rank.

Anyone posting low quality replies very frequently or bumping threads with duplicated content or quoting of previous text, will suffer from this penalty.

My advise:
If you want to rank up, there is absolutely no problem, and i have nothing against that, but rank with quality posts, not shit posts!!
Best option:
1- Post questions/ answers in your local language section.
2- Contribute in discussions give your opinion.

Good thinking. I'd also like to recommend that there be a minimum karma level at some point soon to rank up. Although there is no real benefit to ranking up, it'd be nice to have an incentive to become a Sr member and above, rather than just by posting a lot. Starting with the idea of having Jr Members requiring neutral karma (which is similar to idea of for airdrops/withdrawals requiring 0 karma anyway) followed by Sr and above requiring a small amount of karma. For me, someone isn't a Jr Member if they have negative karma, they are more likely a spammer. This is so that someone Sr has at least contributed something worthwhile (rather than just a lot of posts), while Hero and above needing to contribute "enough" for said rank.

For example:
Jr Member: 0 karma
Sr Member: 1 karma
Hero Member: X karma
Legendary Member: X karma.

I realise this might be a controversial proposal to some, as BTT has the Merit system, but please remember that the main failure of this system is the bar is set so high (100 for full member for example). I'd therefore suggest a very low karma minimum requirement level, as an experiment.
It'd be nice to hear people's thoughts on this issue.

incentive to ranking up is a greater share, i will write a post on the way the members can get share of distribution
karma to rank up implementation is risky as we already have a lot changed, but will look into it
Title: Re: Low Quality Posts & LQP Penalties: How to deal with shitposters
Post by: Geey on April 07, 2018, 05:45:32 PM
I have evaluated what you are making right now. and even then I delete the comments of each low level member as you explain.
I know which ones are qualified and not. for warning I will put my subforum on.

so far i keep monitoring comments comments every member for my part.
Title: Re: Low Quality Posts & LQP Penalties: How to deal with shitposters
Post by: claudio2 on April 07, 2018, 07:00:26 PM
Good solution. Also, I will translate this topic to portuguese section.
Title: Re: Low Quality Posts & LQP Penalties: How to deal with shitposters
Post by: mnixxo.crypto on April 07, 2018, 11:05:04 PM
My two cents. I fully agree with Low Quality Penalty.

But don't agree with you dragononcrypto.

Rule in Low Quality Penalty: The penalty will be the reduction of posts count, thus loss or reduce in rank.

your words: it'd be nice to have an incentive to become a Sr member and above, rather than just by posting a lot.

Users with no quality posts will be penalized, so if user's posts are good in quality, let him/her to write many posts and rank up. I don't see any sense to have some karma for ranking up.
Title: Re: Low Quality Posts & LQP Penalties: How to deal with shitposters
Post by: Joankii on April 08, 2018, 03:37:35 AM
My two cents. I fully agree with Low Quality Penalty.

But don't agree with you dragononcrypto.

Rule in Low Quality Penalty: The penalty will be the reduction of posts count, thus loss or reduce in rank.

your words: it'd be nice to have an incentive to become a Sr member and above, rather than just by posting a lot.

Users with no quality posts will be penalized, so if user's posts are good in quality, let him/her to write many posts and rank up. I don't see any sense to have some karma for ranking up.

I agree with what you say, because deleting the low quality postings is reasonable and there is no karma for them. chances are they are new to the forum unless they have long members to be affirmed again
Title: Re: Low Quality Posts & LQP Penalties: How to deal with shitposters
Post by: Domithra on April 08, 2018, 11:41:19 PM
At long last the solution is set on board. I totally agree with this idea as many members are just particular with the rank and not the quality of the post. I will do my best to support this implementation in whatever way.
Title: Re: Low Quality Posts & LQP Penalties: How to deal with shitposters
Post by: EmoneyABC on April 09, 2018, 01:57:18 AM
What to do with this posts?


Delete if found and is dated after penalty introduction, later on check the profile for another spam post and if found then report to Admin?
Title: Re: Low Quality Posts & LQP Penalties: How to deal with shitposters
Post by: CryptoNewbie on April 09, 2018, 01:57:13 PM
Using karma to increase rank, most likely, a premature idea. As for the shitposting, it's necessary that the moderators simply delete such meaningless messages.
Title: Re: Low Quality Posts & LQP Penalties: How to deal with shitposters
Post by: akhjob on April 14, 2018, 08:23:32 AM
Using karma to increase rank, most likely, a premature idea. As for the shitposting, it's necessary that the moderators simply delete such meaningless messages.

I agree with this one. If karma is needed to rank up like BTT we cannot grow enough. Since this is early stages of the forum we'll have to be somewhat lenient. I don't say that we should spare bad quality posts. But show some leniency.
Title: Re: Low Quality Posts & LQP Penalties: How to deal with shitposters
Post by: ALT Legendary on May 01, 2018, 09:12:09 AM
I see the forum is trying it's best to stop the shitposters. Once an member become loyal to any forum then basically do not care about ranking up or this kind of stuffs. I hope I will have good time here. Just a newbie expecting to hangup with the community.
Title: Re: Low Quality Posts & LQP Penalties: How to deal with shitposters
Post by: EmoneyABC on May 02, 2018, 12:32:32 AM
I see the forum is trying it's best to stop the shitposters. Once an member become loyal to any forum then basically do not care about ranking up or this kind of stuffs. I hope I will have good time here. Just a newbie expecting to hangup with the community.


This is still very easy to rank up on this forum especially if you don't spam. If you are quality content poster this is enough to post frequently to be hero member in few months. I think this is good and Admin is doing great job adding all new features, requirements and penalties. This all will help to grow this forum in steady and healthy way.
Title: Re: Low Quality Posts & LQP Penalties: How to deal with shitposters
Post by: ALT Legendary on May 02, 2018, 08:46:14 PM
This is still very easy to rank up on this forum especially if you don't spam. If you are quality content poster this is enough to post frequently to be hero member in few months. I think this is good and Admin is doing great job adding all new features, requirements and penalties. This all will help to grow this forum in steady and healthy way.
Finally I feel like I am having some companion on this forum. Thanks for your feedback on this topic plus on the other topics as well.
Title: Re: Low Quality Posts & LQP Penalties: How to deal with shitposters
Post by: Madapaka05 on May 03, 2018, 03:40:25 PM
There is a saying This Is Why We Can’t Have Nice Things

There is always some people that will try to cheat the system,

On this forum as you might have noticed we have an easy ranking up system, no waiting for several month to rank up ...
this led some to abuse of the system just to rank up, giving these people negative karma will not push them to improve their contribution.

For example, i have came accross many account that reply by 1 or 2 words, just to increase the post count. Even one account was replying "this is great" for practically everything ...

We can not let this pass by, that's why i am introducing the low quality penalty.

If you find such a member, please pm me, or send him a link to this post.

The penalty will be the reduction of posts count, thus loss or reduce in rank.

Anyone posting low quality replies very frequently or bumping threads with duplicated content or quoting of previous text, will suffer from this penalty.

My advise:
If you want to rank up, there is absolutely no problem, and i have nothing against that, but rank with quality posts, not shit posts!!
Best option:
1- Post questions/ answers in your local language section.
2- Contribute in discussions give your opinion.


update:
quick replies and posts with few words are no longer counted.
I have seen a lot of post in this forum with meaningless point just for rank up this will be consider it because they are newbie into crypto world.
Title: Re: Low Quality Posts & LQP Penalties: How to deal with shitposters
Post by: EmoneyABC on June 19, 2018, 11:45:52 PM
Admin, shall we report such a low quality poster and put in report that he should be punished with low quality penalty or report straight to you via PM. Because I don't think that  moderator has the ability to execute this penalty so he has to inform you about this, correct?
You can do either one. When you report a spam or a low quality post, we always check post historic from user. If he/she is a frequent spammer or shitposter we pass the case to Admin.
Thanks for this explanation Claudio2. I'll have to wait for report button to appear again to continue my Crusade against spam. This is so annoying to read  two words answers 70% of the time. Low quality penalty should be enforced with full confidence and determination if spammer has been detected.

don't report the 2 word replies, as they no longer count in post count, and just generate false urgency


What will happen with all this spammy two words posts? If we don't report them there is a big chance that they won't be deleted because moderators don't find them.

time is the most valuable thing,
i do not want to waste the time of moderators just to hunt down comments with little value.
1- it is unfriendly
2- it's a waste of time
3- it takes time from more important tasks

I understand reasons behind such a decision about spam. After thoughts, I think, I know why you don't want to delete this posts Admin.

I close my eyes to spam and we come back to this discussion later on when AltcoinsTalks forum will be more recognizable and trample on the heels of the competition ie BTT.  ;)