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Title: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: bettyhill on October 31, 2018, 04:21:25 PM
Nowadays, a lot of people no longer see the importance of attending or engaging in formal classroom education. Below are some of the reasons I've noticed or heard about
1. Most people feel formal education is no longer worth the time and stress as they more lucrative opportunities outside the four walls of the classroom.
2. Others believe that formal education don't teach one how to earn cool money, rather it teaches us to serve others.
3. Some see formal education as a waste of time that could be invested in things they term 'more important'
4. Recently, a lot of inspirational articles have openly discouraged formal education, thus influencing the mentality of many.
What's your opinion? Do you think the reasons for shunning formal education are valid? Or are they just lazy excuses to avoid stress?
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: Nautilus on January 04, 2019, 07:14:48 PM
It is not overrated. IT is always needed but from the right hands. Because wrong people can direct you to wrong way, even worse, you can believe that the wrong way is actually true.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: Menwes on February 07, 2019, 03:50:58 PM
I am interested! I was also assigned to write a paper on this topic... This helped:  but I also added a lot from myself.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: mlawson71 on February 09, 2019, 03:50:00 PM
Education is never overrated, but one needs to be careful what schools they pick and what topics they focus on.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: ShadowCrypto on February 16, 2019, 12:52:04 AM
Yes, I agree, Everything changed in years, but the method of education still the same, we need to change that, schools are creating people to be machines.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: mlawson71 on February 18, 2019, 06:00:41 PM
It depends on the country and it depends on the school, I think. But in general, I do agree that standartized test, for example, are not the best approach for all kids.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: Annalise on March 01, 2019, 02:37:40 PM
Just like the previous commentator said, it all depends on your country of residence .
Having said that, I think formal education is overrated in my country.
You will see a graduate after spending so many years in the university,still roaming the streets for lack of job .
Those doing menial jobs seems to be doing well more than those who spent years in the class rooms.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: mlawson71 on March 02, 2019, 05:12:21 PM
I think it also depends on your area of study in university. Some are more practical than others, it's important to pick something that you both enjoy and that has practical applications.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: kreiskleidolon on March 04, 2019, 12:27:48 PM
Formal Education is commonly viewed as overrated especially when you came from third-world countries, poor families, and rural areas.
Although there exists some communities with no "formal"  school to begin with (most tribal people really strive to cope with modern society and others are just wanna stay isolated.

Honestly, It depends on how one person views it.
Some would rather choose rather what they have considered more important than formal education.
Some may boast of it. and some views as some sort of privilege like nobility.

Welp, back on the Era of Knights, Bards, Hunters, Mages, Witches..
Education is also viewed this way. but on some sort of dilemma and unrefined
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: mlawson71 on March 06, 2019, 04:12:38 PM
On the other hand sometimes it's exactly people in such poor communities that fight tooth and nail for their children to get formal higher education because they view it as a way to have a better life in the future. It really depends on the people.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: Abiodun on March 21, 2019, 07:58:00 PM
No knowledge is a waste and as such we can never know it all, we all need knowledge about things we think we know and things we don't so as to build our self in a very unique way and manners.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: mlawson71 on March 22, 2019, 04:55:25 PM
There are many ways to acquire knowledge, formal education is an important way, but ultimately it's just one option.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: Aulore on April 23, 2019, 10:04:52 AM
Formal education serves well for one thing - your socialisation in early young life and maybe your lifetime friends or so. That's something you cannot get everywhere else really. It maybe not always will lead you to something that will require that skills, but I assume it's needed really. A must even;)
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: mlawson71 on April 23, 2019, 03:33:51 PM
Depending on one's school and degree one can learn more than socialization. But even socialization alone is a pretty important step into adulthood.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: VladEx on May 01, 2019, 04:47:53 AM
I think the reasons are valid. It is true that formal education brings and teaches you nothing, we need to reform the educational system.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: cheekwit on June 13, 2019, 08:07:38 PM
There are many ways to acquire knowledge, formal education is an important way, but ultimately it's just one option.

Certainly, but I do feel that it requires good research skills in order to educate yourself. My partner is excellent at it... whereas i do better in a structured lesson plan and hands-on classroom style form of education.

It is obviously very dependant on the skill being learned and the individual.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: Noverteno on June 14, 2019, 07:18:46 AM
Education of a person is still very important for the overall formation of a person’s worldview. The ability to earn in this world is not the main thing in our life. We come to this world to enhance our spirituality, and this also comes largely from universal education.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: mlawson71 on June 14, 2019, 05:37:20 PM
I think that expanding your horizons, learning more about yourself and about the world at large is never overrated.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: mlawson71 on July 09, 2019, 05:18:02 PM
I think one can learn a lot of useful things through formal education.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: Payme21 on July 11, 2019, 09:59:38 AM
I'm a student in this school of thought and very sure that in no distant future, we will experience a revolution in this regard. Not saying formal education will be totally relegated but I see it undergoing much needed changes so as to raise its ultimate use in life
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: ShadowCrypto on October 02, 2019, 06:54:16 PM
Yes it is, Alot of people do the formal education and become idiots, don't think by ourselves and more, Schools are made to create machines for our system, and not to be creative and think outside the box.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: Delgboke on October 10, 2019, 04:45:33 PM
I think the reason is because in some place they don't value those that have the formal education because there's no physical things to show that they're really educated but for me formal education is not bad.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: mlawson71 on October 11, 2019, 05:07:03 PM
Different places have different values, and unfortunately a lot of people aren't taught to value non-material things.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: Akicage on October 14, 2019, 08:21:48 PM
I think it's really depends overall, if you do want to take degree in medicine in something like that we should really stop that totally and completely anyway. I hope we can really make it possible from many many matters. Law also, but it also takes some research.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: mlawson71 on October 15, 2019, 06:15:43 PM
People can find fulfillment in many times of education, not just medicine and law, I think.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: mlawson71 on November 13, 2019, 06:37:00 PM
We'd live in a boring world if that was the case. :D
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: gabbie2010 on May 03, 2021, 07:55:51 AM
Formal education is important but the world is gradually changing to skills orientated such that some courses taught in the universities is becoming irrelevant and obsolete,  there are a lot of programmers are self taught who have never been to the university besides crypto traders who makes huge profits most of them are acquire the skills themselves or with mentorship thus acquiring a formal education is just to read and write while you develop yourself with any relevant skill.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: Sahillatif78 on May 03, 2021, 12:27:42 PM
Yes formal education is necessary. But people are not interested in getting this. It also depends upon univerties or schools.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: mohdelayo on May 04, 2021, 12:01:09 PM
I do not believe that formal education could be overrated in any way. However its very true that many of the disciplines in which people struggle to acquire knowledge on has to a large extent became obsolete with no real world application of the knowledge. This thus cause some people to believe they just wasted their precious time on going to school. But on the other hand, what can one say about acquiring knowledge in engineering and medical line? Could knowledge in these fields be termed as obsolete?
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: Mas Bro on May 07, 2021, 05:37:50 PM
It all depends on a person in how to react. But I believe formal education is important because we can learn many things. But there is something more important, namely moral and moral education that we must instill in us and our children from an early age. Because someone without good morals and morals will easily fall into and be damaged.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: Honor20 on May 09, 2021, 07:31:37 AM
I think formal education is overrated in my country. It depends on how one person views it. Some would rather choose rather what they have considered more important than formal education You will see a graduate after spending so many years in the university, still roaming the streets for lack of job Education is commonly viewed as overrated especially when you came from third-world countries, poor families, and rural areas. Although there exists some communities
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: Chloe Shappe on August 16, 2021, 02:51:11 PM
it may varies from countries and culture. Others may think that formal education is not a priority but still part of a goal even the billionaires who are college dropouts are pursuing to finish a formal education later in their life like Mark Zuckerberg who finishes his education after he stabilized his company. What most important is that acquiring special skills and being extra ordinary in your field, need not require a formal education as long as you are successful in life and getting formal education is just a plus factor.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: mlawson71 on September 02, 2021, 03:40:31 PM
I think formal education is a great thing to have. You don't just learn facts and work skills, you also meet new, different people, you learn to communicate, you learn how to research information and how to ask questions. Those are vital life skills to have, regardless of one's occupation.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: amzexpert on November 10, 2021, 05:12:40 AM
You are right I think that the main thing is that we study to earn. I also do not prefer a more formal education. We study to earn money in the future. But if you have any skill then you can earn money in your child age and that is too good then I think you have to give more importance to the online work, not the formal education.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: arnold dudicove on November 24, 2021, 05:42:44 PM
In the real world, expertise and skills are the most important thing. But in reality, the entrance still requires the legality of formal education. If both were owned by someone, it would be easier to achieve success.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: mlawson71 on March 09, 2022, 06:43:01 PM
I think higher education's best quality is that it teaches critical thinking skills, which are indispensable if one is to be a well-rounded person.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: Dora Walletinvestor on March 09, 2022, 09:46:30 PM
In my opinion formal higher education can be a great and useful thing, but I do sometimes feel like it is overrated in that so many parents pressure their kids to go to university even if they don't want to or aren't sure about what field they want to work in. Depending on a person's goals and the kind of work they want to do / are good at, a diploma is often not necessary, and some people only realize what they really want to study a little later in life.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: mlawson71 on March 16, 2022, 09:35:57 PM
I think it is a prudent thing to figure out what your kid is actually good at and has an affinity too, rather than push them toward a degree that seems prestigious but something the kid enjoys.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: mlawson71 on April 09, 2022, 07:00:02 PM
Playing to your child's strengths makes for happy, successful kids, I believe, and even happier, successful adults.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: HopeBSV on June 13, 2022, 03:59:51 AM
I don't believe it's overrated. It is a right and a privilege for others especially for those who cannot afford to study. It's important in shaping people's lives and helps develop critical thinking.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: snowglobe on June 18, 2022, 05:23:37 PM
I reckon you need to define first, what exactly you mean by formal education, as many people will interpret many different things. A college degree? Highschool? A standard education compared to homeschooling/alternative school concepts? In my opinion, you don’t need a degree, but education is always invaluable and if you decide to take it into your own hands, you need to be very considerate as humans tend to focus on what they’re good at and what they deem important. This may lead to a lot of blind spots though.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: salihajeff on June 23, 2022, 03:19:43 PM
Nowadays, a lot of people no longer see the importance of attending or engaging in formal classroom education. Below are some of the reasons I've noticed or heard about
1. Most people feel formal education is no longer worth the time and stress as they more lucrative opportunities outside the four walls of the classroom.
2. Others believe that formal education don't teach one how to earn cool money, rather it teaches us to serve others.
3. Some see formal education as a waste of time that could be invested in things they term 'more important'
4. Recently, a lot of inspirational articles have openly discouraged formal education, thus influencing the mentality of many.
What's your opinion? Do you think the reasons for shunning formal education are valid? Or are they just lazy excuses to avoid stress?

Unfortunately, formal education does not teach you how to earn money or pay taxes
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: libertasbella on June 27, 2022, 07:01:52 AM
Too many people who would have been happier in the trades go into debt for degrees with few job opportunities. We need to stop treating college like something you're incomplete without
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: HeavLeighGill on June 27, 2022, 04:48:28 PM
I’d say it depends. If you want to be a doctor, a formal education is a necessity. If you want to do art or even trade online, then you can learn that on your own and don’t need a degree.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: lolapaluuza on July 04, 2022, 06:28:43 PM
For me there are several options:
a) you want to extend a relatively carefree time since you have the opportunity to study and got some money
b) you want to get an education because you know exactly what you want to do
c) you understand that such an education will allow you to go up the standard social ladder and you want to learn how to live in a "standard" world.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: Freexicor on April 01, 2024, 10:43:29 PM
Hey there! Education is such a multifaceted journey, isn't it? I've been thinking about it a lot lately, especially with the option of boarding school coming up.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: DaNNy001 on April 03, 2024, 12:10:17 AM
I think formal education is overrated in my country. It depends on how one person views it. Some would rather choose rather what they have considered more important than formal education You will see a graduate after spending so many years in the university, still roaming the streets for lack of job Education is commonly viewed as overrated especially when you came from third-world countries, poor families, and rural areas. Although there exists some communities
I think In my own country it is the whole system that is messed up and thats why the educated ones are looking like the ones who have waisted their whole fixed years in the higher institution. They are some people who will go and read all the courses and even get a very good results at that but when you come out to the labour market to actually secure a Job, the system fucks you up and corner you or position you like someone who doesn't know what he is doing.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: Mr. Allcrypto on April 03, 2024, 02:32:21 AM

I think In my own country it is the whole system that is messed up and thats why the educated ones are looking like the ones who have waisted their whole fixed years in the higher institution. They are some people who will go and read all the courses and even get a very good results at that but when you come out to the labour market to actually secure a Job, the system fucks you up and corner you or position you like someone who doesn't know what he is doing.
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Yes I agree with you on this one, some countries due to the rate of high level of corruption and and bad government which has result to poor economic system, and lack of job opportunities for the citizens, many people just look at formal education as a waste of time and resources.
I had a friend who was telling me that he wanted to leave the country for business and he was still in school then, I thought it was after he rand up his education before he would travel out m, but he told me that he would leave everything and travel out to look for the money first before he can continue his education, and he gave me reasons to believe that he was right.
Doe formal education is not bad, but in a country that has poor economic system and bad government, where many graduates are out doing manual labours to make earns, I think making money first is not a bad idea, but you have to acquire your degree as well.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: kulkhan on April 03, 2024, 10:39:18 PM
We are leaving in digital era. Now a days in our country being digital and our Educational system also being digital. After pandemic we saw and we introduced about online class. We saw primary School to University everywhere online class system. Every Student buy or manage smartphone and buying internet package for online Education.

I think it has some positive side. From very earlier a students being familiar with online and digital world. And they are introducing with different people from different countrys. And they knowing  about different culture. So i think our education system being Smart day by day.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: KingsDen on April 04, 2024, 12:17:06 AM
I think formal education is overrated in my country. It depends on how one person views it. Some would rather choose rather what they have considered more important than formal education You will see a graduate after spending so many years in the university, still roaming the streets for lack of job Education is commonly viewed as overrated especially when you came from third-world countries, poor families, and rural areas. Although there exists some communities
I think In my own country it is the whole system that is messed up and thats why the educated ones are looking like the ones who have waisted their whole fixed years in the higher institution. They are some people who will go and read all the courses and even get a very good results at that but when you come out to the labour market to actually secure a Job, the system fucks you up and corner you or position you like someone who doesn't know what he is doing.
Former education in the past wasn't overrated because for someone to get a high paying job, the person must have a certain decree in formal education but in recent years a lot of skills that doesn't require much of formal education to get them are more financially beneficial than most of the jobs that formerly educated people can boast of and that's what significantly reduced the importance of formal education.
Despite the recent developments, some people still have the thought that to get formally educated is the best way to progress in their different life endeavors but will still have to run back to those who aren't highly educated for acquisition of skills and that's why people of today now think that formal education is overrated
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: Alston Liu on April 23, 2024, 11:01:00 AM
It really depends. Generally speaking, Formal education is not overrated at all. For example, the job market in Korea is pretty competitive. The whole thing is a rat race. You literally can't get a job if you're only with a high school degree. To work in a big corporation like Samsung, you normally need to graduate from the top 3 universities in Korea.
Similar situations happen in other Asian countries. A degree is actually an entry ticket for many companies.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: Findingnemo on April 24, 2024, 09:51:14 PM
Still we need that useless degree to get job in most of the companies so for someone who is not having stable financial background has to go through the useless things for years to have basic financial security of their future.

But as I said it's useless since it doesn't reach any real world applications/solutions still we need that to get job means it's highly overrated...
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on April 25, 2024, 12:16:29 AM
It really depends. Generally speaking, Formal education is not overrated at all. For example, the job market in Korea is pretty competitive. The whole thing is a rat race. You literally can't get a job if you're only with a high school degree. To work in a big corporation like Samsung, you normally need to graduate from the top 3 universities in Korea.
Similar situations happen in other Asian countries. A degree is actually an entry ticket for many companies.
Yeah in so many cultures, formal education is highly valued, most especially in civilized countries. A degree from a reputable university can give a person a sure ticket to companies and can also give a person more advantage in the job market than someone without a degree.

So saying formal education in this sense, is overrated is absolutely wrong.
The fact that the education system has failed in some countries doesn't mean it's like that in other countries, there are still places where the educational structures are still very functional and active.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: JoyMarsha on April 26, 2024, 11:33:23 PM
Formal education can never be overrated. Just because our government has failed its citizens to provide employment and an enabling environment for them to succeed in life, we will begin to find no need to have a formal education.

How to do think the upcoming generation will look like, if there is no formal education introduced to them? Will they be able to read and write and also have logical reasoning on how to make the world a better place for all? Like producing vaccines or drugs for human beings, being technologically inclined, being calculative, how to rule the country and her economy, and so on.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: LogitechMouse on April 27, 2024, 04:13:14 AM
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Re: Formal education. Overrated?
It isn't overrated, and we all need it as much as possible. It's just that, we can't rely too much on our current education system in terms of knowledge.

What I mean is that, not that many schools in the world are teaching about money. Correct me on this one, but no school is teaching financial literacy to their students. This is why Robert Kiyosaki hate schools that much. They aren't teaching the students how to handle money.

On the other hand, they might not teach you financial literacy, but they are teaching you the fundamentals that will help you in the future. The traits, ethics, things to do when you're doing this one, and this one, etc. At the end of the day, we all need education in order for us to succeed. As for it being termed as overrated? It does not. It's just that, in order for one to be successful, you don't necessarily need to finish college.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: bisdak40 on July 02, 2024, 04:45:25 PM
Formal education is not overrated they are teaching skills and values to students and molding them to become knowledgeable persons with skills in their chosen course but somehow the education system where students care a lot more for grades than learning. Education is something that we need to take seriously because it benefits us.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on July 03, 2024, 06:39:24 PM
Formal education is not overrated they are teaching skills and values to students and molding them to become knowledgeable persons with skills in their chosen course but somehow the education system where students care a lot more for grades than learning. Education is something that we need to take seriously because it benefits us.
I think the problem why it looks like formal education is being overrated is because many educational system has gradually drifted away from what true education represents, just like you rightly said, most educational system are now mostly concerned with grades rather than learning.
Different colleges produces 1st class grade students every year, but if you check very well, not all of these graduates can actually defend the grades they graduated with, which has really messed up the today's educational system.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: Gurujebs on July 03, 2024, 07:27:52 PM
Formal education is not overrated they are teaching skills and values to students and molding them to become knowledgeable persons with skills in their chosen course but somehow the education system where students care a lot more for grades than learning. Education is something that we need to take seriously because it benefits us.

Been educated doesn't really mean one will make it in life but if you have it, you will definitely make a difference from the rest of the world when you remove the financial value it brings to people because of the white collar jobs, you have something upstairs different from someone who doesn't have a formal education and in term of opportunities, you stand a bigger chance in formal settings.

Getting education is also an individual achievement, you have some great knowledge and been offer that digree and with it, you can use that explore other part of the world and enjoy where it is value, this is why you see nurses and medical doctors are migrating to places like UK and Canada for jobs.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: JoyMarsha on July 03, 2024, 10:42:48 PM
Formal education is not overrated they are teaching skills and values to students and molding them to become knowledgeable persons with skills in their chosen course but somehow the education system where students care a lot more for grades than learning. Education is something that we need to take seriously because it benefits us.
I think the problem why it looks like formal education is being overrated is because many educational system has gradually drifted away from what true education represents, just like you rightly said, most educational system are now mostly concerned with grades rather than learning.
Different colleges produces 1st class grade students every year, but if you check very well, not all of these graduates can actually defend the grades they graduated with, which has really messed up the today's educational system.
All these are happening in our educational sector all because there are more theoretical aspects of learning than analytical practicals of learning that a student would practicalize what they are been taught by their teachers than for them to read just to pass their exams with good grades.

Our educational system is getting messed up are days pass by. The government has to do the needful because people's minds are beginning to move away from schooling since it has turned out to be a tradition that after schooling for many years, someone will have nothing to show for it
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on July 06, 2024, 10:21:43 AM
Formal education is not overrated they are teaching skills and values to students and molding them to become knowledgeable persons with skills in their chosen course but somehow the education system where students care a lot more for grades than learning. Education is something that we need to take seriously because it benefits us.
I think the problem why it looks like formal education is being overrated is because many educational system has gradually drifted away from what true education represents, just like you rightly said, most educational system are now mostly concerned with grades rather than learning.
Different colleges produces 1st class grade students every year, but if you check very well, not all of these graduates can actually defend the grades they graduated with, which has really messed up the today's educational system.
All these are happening in our educational sector all because there are more theoretical aspects of learning than analytical practicals of learning that a student would practicalize what they are been taught by their teachers than for them to read just to pass their exams with good grades.

Our educational system is getting messed up are days pass by. The government has to do the needful because people's minds are beginning to move away from schooling since it has turned out to be a tradition that after schooling for many years, someone will have nothing to show for it
Yes, in this case, it is about time that educational system receives a new face lift! I mean, it’s like we are trapped in this mentality where all that matters is cramming one’s head full of information and then vomiting up the contents on the exam. Oh and you are so right, it is about getting good grades, not about learning information.

And that is regrettable, as the population finally begins to lose trust in the accepted principles of the society. They’re like, “I don’t see the value of going to school for years now I won’t get any practical skills or a good job.” It’s like, the system is in a way becoming a disappointment to people and it is about time for change.

What we actually need is more practical experience, more trials and errors, more imagination! This is why we have to motivate individuals to start looking at things with a different perspective, how creativity can help the world, how it can be used to solve problems. This is how we are going to progress and not by opening of books and passing of tests. The government def needs to get involved, and bring some much needed change to the educational system and enter the new millennium!
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: Agbe on July 06, 2024, 05:16:52 PM
Formal education is still important in the life all and just that the government is not doing well with the formal education and that is why informal education is about to take over from formal education. From my own view point, informal education can't do well without the knowledge from formal education. Formal education teaches you good English to speak more communicate then other things which you need in life and when your attend informal education then the knowledge gotten from formal education can be used. They are both useful.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: Gurujebs on July 06, 2024, 05:32:26 PM
Formal education is still important in the life all and just that the government is not doing well with the formal education and that is why informal education is about to take over from formal education. From my own view point, informal education can't do well without the knowledge from formal education. Formal education teaches you good English to speak more communicate then other things which you need in life and when your attend informal education then the knowledge gotten from formal education can be used. They are both useful.

I even wonder how OP was going to read and write properly if he doesn't get a formal education, how are you going to challenge people formally if economy isn't working if you don't have proper education because all you will be doing is blindly making arguments without understanding where the problem lies. You might also not get a chance to teach your kids the basic ones at home if you don't have one as you wouldn't be able to correct them when they make a mistake. Everyone need a formal education but don't depend on it to make a living like it was done in the 80s and 90s.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: Asiska02 on July 07, 2024, 07:23:35 PM
I even wonder how OP was going to read and write properly if he doesn't get a formal education, how are you going to challenge people formally if economy isn't working if you don't have proper education because all you will be doing is blindly making arguments without understanding where the problem lies. You might also not get a chance to teach your kids the basic ones at home if you don't have one as you wouldn't be able to correct them when they make a mistake. Everyone need a formal education but don't depend on it to make a living like it was done in the 80s and 90s.

In today’s world, people continue to think that formal education is a waste of time and will not add anything to your life. But the fact is that, only an ignorant will think that way and not see the use of formal education in the now times. I have a lot of hope on the use of formal education to have a good grasp and fashion your life even though you don’t have to get a living from it. With an education, you can strive farther than one without education even when you don’t get a white collar job as intended for the purpose of you going to school.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: albon on July 18, 2024, 02:19:53 PM
This can really be analyzed based on the countries we live in. Because there are many countries where the education rate is high but the job quota is very low. You will see a graduate after spending so many years in university roaming the streets for lack of job. Also in many countries getting a good job before graduation. Therefore i think that along with education, it is important to strengthen one foundation as a skilled worker. The value of a laborer will never decrease and if you gain hands-on experience skillfully it will help you to run towards success in the future.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: JoyMarsha on September 05, 2024, 10:45:54 PM
I even wonder how OP was going to read and write properly if he doesn't get a formal education, how are you going to challenge people formally if economy isn't working if you don't have proper education because all you will be doing is blindly making arguments without understanding where the problem lies. You might also not get a chance to teach your kids the basic ones at home if you don't have one as you wouldn't be able to correct them when they make a mistake. Everyone need a formal education but don't depend on it to make a living like it was done in the 80s and 90s.

In today’s world, people continue to think that formal education is a waste of time and will not add anything to your life. But the fact is that, only an ignorant will think that way and not see the use of formal education in the now times. I have a lot of hope on the use of formal education to have a good grasp and fashion your life even though you don’t have to get a living from it. With an education, you can strive farther than one without education even when you don’t get a white collar job as intended for the purpose of you going to school.
I blame the government for all this. If the government has provided enough job opportunities for its citizens, this kind of ignorant saying about education being overreacted won't be reoccurring all the time.

Sadly, our government is not doing much to stop this unwavering misconception of our education system by those who see no value in education because they are doing financially better than some of the educated ones.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 06, 2024, 01:18:52 PM
I advice people to go for what comes first, let them go for the first opportunity they get  and the one they can easily grab. Formal education doesn't prevent anyone from making money, you can be in school and still participate in any skill you want, it might be so distracting, but you can always think of a better plan to manage the two.  Some people usually have the opportunity to attend to school first before they think of making money, while some people usually have the opportunity to make money first, some people are faced with both opportunities at once. I know of a man that was working and still running his BSc program in school and today he has acquired the certificate and is a millionaire as well. Everyone is not the same.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: bitterguy28 on September 06, 2024, 02:55:57 PM
I blame the government for all this. If the government has provided enough job opportunities for its citizens, this kind of ignorant saying about education being overreacted won't be reoccurring all the time.
in such a capitalistic world everything has to be money otherwise we are not going to survive but I believe no knowledge is overrated any knowledge should be valued and appreciated because it can take us to places not everyone would be able to go to it’s sad that most people just go to school for the sake of having a degree to get a job later on some even cheat and don’t really learn anything just because they want to be the best as easy as they can
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Sadly, our government is not doing much to stop this unwavering misconception of our education system by those who see no value in education because they are doing financially better than some of the educated ones.
i doubt it will ever change we are way in too deep into this system that i don’t think there can ever be a time where people would choose to be educated rather than financially stable

but if you could choose to be both: educated and financially stable then why not?
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: Rruchi man on September 06, 2024, 10:43:53 PM
Nowadays, a lot of people no longer see the importance of attending or engaging in formal classroom education.
Being educated is more important, whether it is formal or informal education. The advantage I think formal education has is that it will teach you how to read and write, but formal education may not teach you money making skills in the real world. People who are more informally educated are usually more prepared to face the real world because learning is more practical than theoretical as you will find in the formal educational system were learning follows a curriculum.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: milewilda on September 07, 2024, 04:23:14 PM
Nowadays, a lot of people no longer see the importance of attending or engaging in formal classroom education.
Being educated is more important, whether it is formal or informal education. The advantage I think formal education has is that it will teach you how to read and write, but formal education may not teach you money making skills in the real world. People who are more informally educated are usually more prepared to face the real world because learning is more practical than theoretical as you will find in the formal educational system were learning follows a curriculum.
Talking practically or something that have sense  then having education is really indeed important specially on what you have said that reading and writing is really that somewhat
we do know at least because having no ability to write or read then you cant be able to progress your life on something better but we do know that not all would really be that lucky
on doing into schools or learning institutions and thats why we are lucky if ever we do have that kind of education. One thing that you should be having in mind is that
finishing up studies or having a degree wont be giving out that assurance of success but this one will really be giving at least that advantage.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: Hatchy on September 18, 2024, 10:53:46 PM
I would like to say i get where these people are coming from but I think there’s more to it.yes, you can find success outside of school, infact success is not actually tied to formal education or any education at all, especially with things like tech and business but then formal education gives you important skills and connections that are hard to find elsewhere. It might not teach you directly how to make quick money but it helps you think better and make smarter choices in the long run and communicate better. So, while these reasons have some truth, skipping education altogether might limit your potential and limit you to some extent in life.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: NotATether on September 19, 2024, 02:58:37 PM
I would like to say i get where these people are coming from but I think there’s more to it.yes, you can find success outside of school, infact success is not actually tied to formal education or any education at all, especially with things like tech and business but then formal education gives you important skills and connections that are hard to find elsewhere. It might not teach you directly how to make quick money but it helps you think better and make smarter choices in the long run and communicate better. So, while these reasons have some truth, skipping education altogether might limit your potential and limit you to some extent in life.

The problem is, if you don't, you're in trouble. Because most jobs give preference to people who have degrees, even freelancing websites prioritize those candidates with degrees (on average). So whatever venture you are getting into had better work, because if it doesn't, then that is going to be a very, very big mountain for you to climb in the job market.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: bhadz on September 19, 2024, 03:03:26 PM
Here in our country in the Philippines, formal education is going to be your best weapon to land a good paying job. However, that good paying job doesn't guarantee you to have good life because things are increasing in prices. I've always remembered what my parents told me about having a formal education as this is the only treasure that they can inherit to me that will never be stolen by anybody. Opportunities here are a lot but for the less privileged and didn't finished studies won't get those.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: NotATether on September 19, 2024, 03:18:39 PM
Here in our country in the Philippines, formal education is going to be your best weapon to land a good paying job. However, that good paying job doesn't guarantee you to have good life because things are increasing in prices. I've always remembered what my parents told me about having a formal education as this is the only treasure that they can inherit to me that will never be stolen by anybody. Opportunities here are a lot but for the less privileged and didn't finished studies won't get those.

And to add to that, even when you do have a degree and you went to university and all that, you're going to find that the baseline salaries are getting lower and lower while managers try to cut costs. And I'm not talking about AI or automation either, just downsizing or just even straight up reducing wages. And it's not like living expenses are going to do down as well. So you are usually left with less savings than before.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: _act_ on September 19, 2024, 09:03:18 PM
There is need for going after formal education in learning because this has been part of what led us through where we are today, things are getting advanced each day and we cant keep on being underdeveloped by not going along with the current rend in the society, which also talks more about civilization, modern education and advanced technology in this digital and contemporary world.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 22, 2024, 09:06:20 PM
There is need for going after formal education in learning because this has been part of what led us through where we are today, things are getting advanced each day and we cant keep on being underdeveloped by not going along with the current rend in the society, which also talks more about civilization, modern education and advanced technology in this digital and contemporary world.
While we may not be able to overemphasize the importance of formal education, it’s important to remember that there are country of the world where their system and the government have already failed its citizens, and still forcing their citizens accept and embrace formal education, knowing fully well that formal education wouldn’t effect any much change considering their current state. It’s essential for an individual to have formal education but also important to acknowledge just how far formal education can carry you as an individual, it’ll be wrong to assume that formal education is all you as an individual needs to succeed even after knowing too well that the system has already failed in your country.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: The transformer on September 23, 2024, 07:48:11 PM


Very interesting topic that don't have a definite answer if you ask me.

Nationality and personality matters.
Undermining or overrating formal schooling is not healthy. There should be a healthy balance between formal education and other educational approaches..  Or ways of earning a living...
Imagine a president of a country without schooling (to the least, can't read and write in any language) He might be a good person but just imagine what it would be like?

In my view, there is no need for any comparison because a healthy balance is just as healthy as education generally whether formal or not..
Not to forget, money making is the major driver behind this comparison which somehow makes it a mindset issue no matter what country and the level of national development..

 To note also, the mindset that after school is job is also a driver of such comparison, since some might never get a job and this is why schools actually need innovation to level up with the present civilization and needs mostly in poor industrialized nations.

One should be able to know the advantages and the limits ( not disadvantages) of formal schooling/education. That school dropouts made things happen does not mean they haven't benefited from the advantages of formal education...

That  formal education settings do need innovations does not render it useless.
Don't forget, there is no how one person will not work for another whether by formal education or not.
So, the advantages and the limits in personal life is what should be identified (as far as also seeing if you need it or not)

Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: bayu7adi on September 24, 2024, 07:17:19 PM
What's your opinion? Do you think the reasons for shunning formal education are valid? Or are they just lazy excuses to avoid stress?
It really depends on the mindset, starting from the family environment certainly has a big role and influence on this... because it is true, schools educate us too generally, while it will not make us professionals in all fields... while what is needed in the business world, the world of work, the world of careers is professionalism in one field...

For those who understand more deeply, maybe education up to elementary school is enough, while for targeted education it can be started when the child is 12 years old.. there forming an individual into a soccer athlete, or guitarist, or sniper, or something specific related to the individual's talent is better in my opinion.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: Jating on September 25, 2024, 05:25:24 AM
There is need for going after formal education in learning because this has been part of what led us through where we are today, things are getting advanced each day and we cant keep on being underdeveloped by not going along with the current rend in the society, which also talks more about civilization, modern education and advanced technology in this digital and contemporary world.

This is how we are being set already, when we are born, we go to school and finished our formal education. And we see this is a norm and we didn't question this paradigm. But as we can see, there are a few selected individuals who didn't finished their high school or even college but still become rich and successful.

But it doesn't mean that it is for everyone though, the world is changing and it's better to have our formal education before anything else. And if you have that education, maybe you can used it to travel or get a job abroad and for sure you will earn a lot of money because your parents sent you to a good school.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: MUGNIA on September 25, 2024, 04:37:18 PM
since when is formal education considered excessive. where if there is no formal education how can we learn from the beginning how to read and count, since ancient times there has been something called formal education only considering status, unlike now anyone can go to school and get an education
how was bitcoin created if a sathosi did not have a formal education
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: bisdak40 on September 25, 2024, 04:55:55 PM
since when is formal education considered excessive. where if there is no formal education how can we learn from the beginning how to read and count, since ancient times there has been something called formal education only considering status, unlike now anyone can go to school and get an education
how was bitcoin created if a sathosi did not have a formal education
Education is never excessive but essential. It is needed for the person to learn skills we must be thankful that we had an opportunity for education. Education helps us mold to become knowledgable that help us survive in life because we learn. we must not take it for granted because without it, we would find it hard to grow and be our best selves.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: Agbe on November 04, 2024, 02:24:36 PM
Nowadays, a lot of people no longer see the importance of attending or engaging in formal classroom education. Below are some of the reasons I've noticed or heard about
1. Most people feel formal education is no longer worth the time and stress as they more lucrative opportunities outside the four walls of the classroom.
The truth of the matter is that formal education is needed and is very essential in the making process of any individual who's ready to make a difference and is determined to go far in life, it's true that success in life is not determine by your level of education but the truth is that formal education also play a key role in making sure that your are equipped to succeed any where
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: Chilwell on November 05, 2024, 01:03:19 PM
Nowadays, a lot of people no longer see the importance of attending or engaging in formal classroom education. Below are some of the reasons I've noticed or heard about
1. Most people feel formal education is no longer worth the time and stress as they more lucrative opportunities outside the four walls of the classroom.
2. Others believe that formal education don't teach one how to earn cool money, rather it teaches us to serve others.
3. Some see formal education as a waste of time that could be invested in things they term 'more important'
4. Recently, a lot of inspirational articles have openly discouraged formal education, thus influencing the mentality of many.
What's your opinion? Do you think the reasons for shunning formal education are valid? Or are they just lazy excuses to avoid stress?
All your reasons are valid, I don't deny  and would never deny any of your statements, but it is not overrated, neither is underrated, everybody is speaking their minds, they are just expressing their thoughts openly, but I think formal education is very important in our lives not just because of getting white collar jobs or job security, but for our own good(growth and development), it increased wise thinking, it gives us the ability to think wisely and make a good decision by engaging ourselves in a business that will be profitable, it promotes self awareness and self esteem and so on.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: libert19 on November 05, 2024, 01:49:24 PM
I only realized need of education recently. Education plays a huge role in making person independent, so I don't think formal education is overrated, at least until secondary school. I personally don't find much use to whatever I did after though.

Once you know basics (reading/writing/basic maths), Internet allows one to learn any thing he wants at his own pace.
Title: Re: Formal education. Overrated?
Post by: Agbe on November 06, 2024, 07:13:32 PM
Yes, I agree, Everything changed in years, but the method of education still the same, we need to change that, schools are creating people to be machines.
Yes it's true that because of the country we find our self that things are still the same way we ment it but we can't substitute the role of education in any society as it's the bedrock that every progressive nation is built in so I will say that education is not overrated. Yes it's true that you can make money without going to school and not having any formal education but we can't use that as a yastic in judging education