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Crypto Discussion Forum => Cryptocurrency discussions => Topic started by: Zed0X on November 26, 2018, 07:38:21 PM
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While everyone does not want the crypto market to crash, skilled traders are quite happy even if the market is crashing since they can still gain from market volatility. This is why it's important to master the art of trading. You can have consistent profits whether the market is going up or going down.
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Actually the only people gaining in this bear market are the traders because they are acquire crypto little by little which will turns out valuable while holding are only hoping for the market to be better
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I believe that some good traders are gaining in this downtrend of crypto, but I think they will be few people really gaining anyway.
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I agree. If we are skilled traders, a volatile market is favorable. Instead of just saying HODL in a downtrend market, we might as well take advantage of the fluctuations and earn real good.
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While everyone does not want the crypto market to crash, skilled traders are quite happy even if the market is crashing since they can still gain from market volatility. This is why it's important to master the art of trading. You can have consistent profits whether the market is going up or going down.
I think its not good on both sides! Both on small traders and whales are not benificial too this kind of market situation its hard to earned in this kind of market situation i been through this before its not easy to handle.
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Those that are gaining now is those that have valuable coins in their wallet can gain if their coin value doesn't drop as the market continues falling but even now there's mega buying and selling in Binance exchange.
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That's right, but even experienced traders have problems and they lose money, so in order to know the trading completely, you need at least a few years engage in trading.
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While everyone does not want the crypto market to crash, skilled traders are quite happy even if the market is crashing since they can still gain from market volatility. This is why it's important to master the art of trading. You can have consistent profits whether the market is going up or going down.
If you are profesional., You can do trading when the market crashing. But I personally prefer to hold and wait. Because I am not trader.
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People who have been shorting this market have no doubt made a killing. Only the bounce from February was a worthwhile trade imo, the rest was garbage for long positions. Imagine if you traded longs in 2017 and shorts in 2018 though, you'd be rich by now! I would never short BTC, though I can understand why people do tbh.
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I think its not good on both sides! Both on small traders and whales are not benificial too this kind of market situation its hard to earned in this kind of market situation i been through this before its not easy to handle.
There is no market situation that is bad on both sides. When the price is down, it is always good for buyers.
I never said it is going to be easy to earn when the market is crashing, that is why I said only skilled traders are earning. I define a skilled trader as someone who understands TA well and has managed to control his/her emotion.
People who have been shorting this market have no doubt made a killing. Only the bounce from February was a worthwhile trade imo, the rest was garbage for long positions. Imagine if you traded longs in 2017 and shorts in 2018 though, you'd be rich by now! I would never short BTC, though I can understand why people do tbh.
Not sure if there is really a worthwhile trade but I get your point.
That's right, but even experienced traders have problems and they lose money, so in order to know the trading completely, you need at least a few years engage in trading.
True. No experienced trader has a 100% winning record.
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Looking at the topic, I don't think there is anyone gaining as a result of the market crashing, even if that will be, it will be few people.
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Yes I agree with you that is only the professional traders that is benefiting now that the market price is crashing. Why others are patiently waiting for the price to bounce back.
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But the fact of the matter is that this bull market won’t last forever. Stock market corrections are a healthy and normal part of the investing process. Data from market analytics firm Yardeni Research shows that there have been 36 corrections in the S&P 500 of at least 10% since 1950. That equates to about one every two years.
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I thought no one are gained when the market is crashing, but now I know that skilled trades are still gaining when the market is crashing right now.
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While everyone does not want the crypto market to crash, skilled traders are quite happy even if the market is crashing since they can still gain from market volatility. This is why it's important to master the art of trading. You can have consistent profits whether the market is going up or going down.
Even though you have the skill to be trading crypto when the market is having a massive fall in the end you are still in the crypto and if you want to cash out to fiat you are also at the losing end so there is no point in trading for short in crypto.
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When the market is down, I think only a few people are profitable. that is, investors who want to buy at low prices and investors who have a lot of crypto assets. they can just manipulate prices according to their wishes.
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Possible that those traders are good enough to analyze the trend of the particular tokens out there. Also possible that they are old enough to understand the cycles of this volatile place. Mastering the trend could be another way to earn profit even the market is bloody.
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Looking at the topic, I don't think there is anyone gaining as a result of the market crashing, even if that will be, it will be few people.
I think there are but only a few of them. In a bull market, almost everyone who claim to be a trader earns but in a bear market, only legit traders earn.
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Even though you have the skill to be trading crypto when the market is having a massive fall in the end you are still in the crypto and if you want to cash out to fiat you are also at the losing end so there is no point in trading for short in crypto.
I get your point. Perhaps I should have been more specific with what skilled traders are gaining (cryptocurrencies).
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The converter are the gainer in the market when it turn red as they are in btc or fiat which give them best chance to buy more when the token dip .
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This question has been on my mind for quite some time now. but i think those who benefit from a red market are thoae who buy coins at this period
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This question has been on my mind for quite some time now. but i think those who benefit from a red market are thoae who buy coins at this period
Although buying the dips is good, it does not necessarily mean that buyers are gaining. Whether or not they'll gain remains to be seen.
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In my opinion, people gaining in this bear market are the traders because they are acquire crypto little by little which will turns out valuable while holding are only hoping for the market to be better. Thank u
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The game on the course of market relations has always been attractive not only for professional players. The main thing is to master the technique of the game and have enough patience because hasty decisions without constant analytics can have quite large risks not in favor of the player. as practice has shown, not everyone was lucky to play in favor of multiplication
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but even experienced traders have problems and they lose money, so in order to know the trading completely, you need at least a few years engage in trading.
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Instead of just saying HODL in a downtrend market, we might as well take advantage of the fluctuations and
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People who have been shorting this market have no doubt made a killing. Only the bounce from February was a worthwhile trade imo, the rest was garbage for long positions. Imagine if you traded longs in 2017 and shorts in 2018 though, you'd be rich by now! I would never short BTC, though I can understand why people do tbh.
Not sure if there is really a worthwhile trade but I get your point.
I haven't personally shorted Bitcoin or other cryptos this year, but I know for a fact traders have been making small fortunes this year. Whether it be from $12K, $10K, $7.8K or $6K, people have managed to double ot triple their fiat (or BTC holdings) by shorting on Bitmex and other exchanges. Not forgetting the epic BCH short from 0.1 BTC down to nearly 0.3 BTC, I know traders who doubled their money on this trade this month, or more if using leverage.
In summary, the gains people made last year when BTC went up 4x in value, people have made the same if not more by shorting BTC, BCH, ETH and others. Saying that shorting this year was pointless when BTC went from $20k to $4k, is like saying there was no worthwhile trade when BTC went from $4k to $20k ;)
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While everyone does not want the crypto market to crash, skilled traders are quite happy even if the market is crashing since they can still gain from market volatility. ~snip~
I am interested to know about "skilled traders". Have you experienced it yourself? I don't know if skilled traders quite happy when market is crashing. Do the skilled traders mean whales? I think It is not about skill, but about the power.
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While everyone does not want the crypto market to crash, skilled traders are quite happy even if the market is crashing since they can still gain from market volatility. This is why it's important to master the art of trading. You can have consistent profits whether the market is going up or going down.
Lets assume if the market really crash what you are earning from crypto will not be profitable as well as we know crypto is not like fiat which has its value you still need to change it to bitcoin or ethereum in order to get the funds.
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Depends on how much traders experience. If experienced, traders can benefit from difficult times like this year. they can analyze well and predict crypto prices.
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Experienced traders always trade, they are not somewhat hampered by the fall in prices on the market, and often the opposite is good for them, at such moments they make good profits.
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The issue of market decline is alarming for some of us here thinking about maybe this is the beginning of crypto's end sinking and sinking. Remember that we are on the year of correction. By the way, volatile is really unstable and cannot be to rely on.
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Of course the whales and the sharks. Little fish are crashing with the market as well but the bears are winning. We should improve ourselves and get rid of being greedy in order to be a shark or a shrimp. I am okay with being a shrimp and winning :)
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It is very easy to profit from a falling market, if you are dedicated to it. Let's assume that I have an asset, and I expect fall. I sell the asset now, and buy lower. Let's see an example:
I have 100 coins that have a value of 10, this means the asset costs 1000 dollars. I sell, and have 1000 dollars in my pocket. Price falls 50%, so the coins cost 5 dollars. I buy, again 100 coins, and I give 500 dollars. After that trade, I have my 100 coins, and 500 dollars in my pocket as a profit.
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Indeed, in a falling market, traders win well. But traders should have a lot of experience and have good intuition. And such traders are few, not everyone can have time to buy and sell and always make a profit.
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Indeed, in a falling market, traders win well. But traders should have a lot of experience and have good intuition. And such traders are few, not everyone can have time to buy and sell and always make a profit.
As the OP suggested already "This is why it's important to master the art of trading. You can have consistent profits whether the market is going up or going down." It's good to be part of the few.
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You are right. the most important thing in crypto is learning about a trade. we cannot trade if we don't master it. from what I can see, there are still many people who benefit from trade even though the market situation like this.
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While everyone does not want the crypto market to crash, skilled traders are quite happy even if the market is crashing since they can still gain from market volatility. This is why it's important to master the art of trading. You can have consistent profits whether the market is going up or going down.
Yup traders are skilled even in this bear market. They know when to enter and exit the market. They enhanced their skills so that they can adopt even the market is good or bad.
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Experienced traders know how to gain profits in every time and every condition. I think they have found formula to get right coins/tokens to trade, and set certain targets for re-selling the coins/tokens.
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I think that during this period, when the market falls, no one wins everything in the red. But this is done specifically so that in the future, when everyone starts to panic and sell coins at a low price, the big players will once again raise the market
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For some experienced traders there really is no hard time or calm period, because indeed they are already accustomed to this situation, and even in difficult times like this they can still benefit from trading results, and that is the advantage of experienced traders large.
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I still hold Ethereum all this time, and I believe this ethereum will be a very valuable coin in the future, and this is indeed my hope in holding ethereum, but I am certain that there will be risks in this investment, good or bad, there must always be risks in investing cryptocurrency.
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I think professional traders as well as whales or big investors are gaining when the market is crashing. Other people who related with this word patiently waiting for the right time.
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Even its not easy for a good skillset trader to earn in the crashing market. But a good skillset trader grab the opportunity at the right time and take the benefit of crashing market. It is true traders earn money through the volatility of the market but in cryptos everyone is not successful in making consistent profit from this market as this is highly unpredictable market.
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A good trader can earn money either with the rise or fall of the market... where there is volatility, there is money to be gained... nevertheless I do not agree with "consistent profit", that is something i think will be very rare on crypto space... the market has become very small and easy to manipulate, making the impredictability something always present
cheers
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While everyone does not want the crypto market to crash, skilled traders are quite happy even if the market is crashing since they can still gain from market volatility. This is why it's important to master the art of trading. You can have consistent profits whether the market is going up or going down.
What a question, of course no one will gained aside from those professional traders and swing traders who knows how to shift from buy mode to sell mode at the right time. But still many are loses compared to winning.
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of course the skilled traders, I think it's easy for them to gain profit with this bad condition of the market.
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I totally agree with this the only party that is still able to make a good amount of profit in this market condition is the traders, they simply trade the price they do not care how much this price is as long as they can buy and sell with profits, but we need to not forget that the long-term traders got rekt same as us, so in reality short term traders are the one that is making real profit.
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of course the skilled traders, I think it's easy for them to gain profit with this bad condition of the market.
I think it is not skilled traders but experienced traders. Experienced traders know well how to do in every market conditions. While skilled traders know good strategies, but it doesn't guarantee for proper efforts on certain market conditions.
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im not quite sure all skilled trader gain from the crashed market. i dont buy that idea, even you are skilled or newbie, everyone are loss when market crashed. Only exchanges won the fight. How could you gain profit if you buy that big then suddenly the price crashed. Some of the skilled trader way back 2017 is not yet recovered from the loss they got.
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I think it is not skilled traders but experienced traders. Experienced traders know well how to do in every market conditions. While skilled traders know good strategies, but it doesn't guarantee for proper efforts on certain market conditions.
I agree with this comment. I think what you said it makes sense. Experienced traders must know proper strategies to deal with the current market condition. While skilled traders only depend on their abilities. ;D
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Of course the whales and the sharks. Little fish are crashing with the market as well but the bears are winning. We should improve ourselves and get rid of being greedy in order to be a shark or a shrimp. I am okay with being a shrimp and winning :)
Check out your favourite Cryptos and see if there is Whale signs. If not then it is a good time to buy in as many things are at nice buy in prices right now. You just have to predict if there is going to be a further crash or not.
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On the opposite hand, most "investors" into ICOs are garbage speculators United Nations agency are solely curious about creating a fast buck. If they're a small amount a lot of educated and understand how to create some deductions then okay, market cap, token economic science and what not are of interest to them. however the typical capitalist doesn't care regarding actual technical school or maybe decide to use these coins. therefore once the profit potential goes, therefore will the invest potentia
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im not quite sure all skilled trader gain from the crashed market. i dont buy that idea, even you are skilled or newbie, everyone are loss when market crashed. Only exchanges won the fight. How could you gain profit if you buy that big then suddenly the price crashed. Some of the skilled trader way back 2017 is not yet recovered from the loss they got.
You can actually gain even when the market crashes. It does not have to be in fiat when we say gaining, it could also be in crypto. Increasing the size of your bags thru trading (scalping) are also gains
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Cryptocurrency exchanges and professional traders are making money regardless of the market condition :)
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Cryptocurrency exchanges and professional traders are making money regardless of the market condition :)
Very well said, I haven't seen anyone else mention this and it's very true. Exchanges only care about volume, when the market is crashing, there is more volume so exchanges gain even more. Hi by the way, I noticed you joined the forum recently and already received 5 karma for it, I'm happy for you.