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Re: BG shilling and forum actions!
« Reply #75 on: September 18, 2024, 05:48:50 PM »
As an update have sent warnings to half a dozen users, some received the badge and strikes as had already been warned and naturally ignoring advise to use IP section, a few of them multiple times already. Was a bit disappointed to see some users warned multiple times and still not tagged or given strikes, as most of the users could have been tagged sometime ago already based on previous warnings.

I have already expressed before that there are simply too many "warnings" which unfortunately, as we can see, do not change anything. All those who came to this forum because of shilling will continue to do so until you permanently ban them, and then they will create a new profile and continue where they left off.



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The reality is 95% of users who are discussing Bitget are shilling it. Not all, some respectable members are also discussing, but the reality is the discussion is 99% of the time is raised by shills who are posting primarily about Bitget and not much else. So if you want to help keep the forum clean, when you see a newer user casually discussing Bitget, check their recent posts and see if that what they're doing most of the time. Then report them here and let mods do the rest: https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=112178.0


This is visible to anyone who wants to see, but as you can see for yourself, instead of reporting such behavior, a good part of forum users will engage in a discussion that was created only with the reason to shill that company. Whether someone likes it or not, in this way they participate in shilling, the only question remains whether consciously or unconsciously.

It might otherwise seem that this is just one of the most popular exchanges like Binance and OKX. This is exactly the deceptive trickery of the innovative ways in which these shill have been promoting the exchange. The reality is the exchange is only as popular as Kucoin and MEXC, which you hear much less about on this forum. I wouldn't be surprised if this exchange reached this level of popularity primarily because of shilling which is a worrying reality.

I have no doubt that their tactics brought them very good results with literally minimal costs. Given that shilling is against the rules of the forum and given that we know that it happens in an organized manner, I would again suggest that the administration consider blacklisting the keyword (Bitget) or at least making it impossible for anyone below a certain rank to post it.

I have also already suggested to check who gives all of them +karma, because I believe that they have at least one teleported acc from BTT which is Senior+ rank. When I first started researching these accounts, I was surprised that most of them had +5 or even +10 karma, which is completely illogical to me then and now.
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Re: BG shilling and forum actions!
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Re: BG shilling and forum actions!
« Reply #76 on: September 18, 2024, 06:42:32 PM »
As an update have sent warnings to half a dozen users, some received the badge and strikes as had already been warned and naturally ignoring advise to use IP section, a few of them multiple times already. Was a bit disappointed to see some users warned multiple times and still not tagged or given strikes, as most of the users could have been tagged sometime ago already based on previous warnings.

I have already expressed before that there are simply too many "warnings" which unfortunately, as we can see, do not change anything. All those who came to this forum because of shilling will continue to do so until you permanently ban them, and then they will create a new profile and continue where they left off.

This is not wrong, and it turns out after reviewing this topic again that most of the users that received a tag or strike because they continued shilling were your reports from before. It's also correct that they will continue shilling until punished, usually a tag or strike is enough for them to ditch the account and create a new one, rather than needing to be banned in fairness. But otherwise users will give up reporting users if all that occurs is warnings which are ignored, so there is a need for more aggressive moderation.  The annoying thing is it doesn't solve the problem either, instead new accounts will spring up to shill again. Will be requesting admin support on this so that IPs can be tracked when accounts become inactive.

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The reality is 95% of users who are discussing Bitget are shilling it. Not all, some respectable members are also discussing, but the reality is the discussion is 99% of the time is raised by shills who are posting primarily about Bitget and not much else. So if you want to help keep the forum clean, when you see a newer user casually discussing Bitget, check their recent posts and see if that what they're doing most of the time. Then report them here and let mods do the rest: https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=112178.0


This is visible to anyone who wants to see, but as you can see for yourself, instead of reporting such behavior, a good part of forum users will engage in a discussion that was created only with the reason to shill that company. Whether someone likes it or not, in this way they participate in shilling, the only question remains whether consciously or unconsciously.

Indeed those who feed the shills are part of the problem, whether they are aware or not. This is exactly what the shilling is intended for, to create the false impression of organic discussion around the exchange by respected members, which in itself is more effective than the shilling itself. It gives it credibility and respected members should no better.

Will recommend to admin that the IP section isn't public, and only for members of the forum. Potentially this would help to discourage shilling here.

It might otherwise seem that this is just one of the most popular exchanges like Binance and OKX. This is exactly the deceptive trickery of the innovative ways in which these shill have been promoting the exchange. The reality is the exchange is only as popular as Kucoin and MEXC, which you hear much less about on this forum. I wouldn't be surprised if this exchange reached this level of popularity primarily because of shilling which is a worrying reality.

I have no doubt that their tactics brought them very good results with literally minimal costs. Given that shilling is against the rules of the forum and given that we know that it happens in an organized manner, I would again suggest that the administration consider blacklisting the keyword (Bitget) or at least making it impossible for anyone below a certain rank to post it.

It's not a bad idea, especially the idea of being say blacklisted for lower ranks, as the shilling is coming from lower ranks. Hopefully shills would simply be deterred by more aggressive moderation, but I realise that's being a bit too optimistic. From experience with previous shill campaigns such as Veil, as long as they are being paid, they will continue to create new accounts in order to shill.

I have also already suggested to check who gives all of them +karma, because I believe that they have at least one teleported acc from BTT which is Senior+ rank. When I first started researching these accounts, I was surprised that most of them had +5 or even +10 karma, which is completely illogical to me then and now.

I'd checked karma before as Jokers mentioned it in mod section, and generally they have been received from a variety of respectable members, presumably (hopefully) for posts that weren't shilling the exchange. The reality is after before warned for shilling BG in 100% of their posts, they will often do so in only 50%, in order to try and disguise the shilling and pretend to be respectable members of the forum. This also doesn't reduce the shilling, but instead doubles the number of posts from these shills, and shouldn't be excusable either.
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Re: BG shilling and forum actions!
« Reply #76 on: September 18, 2024, 06:42:32 PM »

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Re: BG shilling and forum actions!
« Reply #77 on: September 18, 2024, 11:56:34 PM »
Came here because I noticed a new tag on their profile (Shillers) ;D It seems they don't mind it because I still see them logging in and posting but at least some members (who are still unaware) will know their intention. Is it possible to put some colors for better visibility?

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Re: BG shilling and forum actions!
« Reply #78 on: September 19, 2024, 12:16:21 AM »
Came here because I noticed a new tag on their profile (Shillers) ;D It seems they don't mind it because I still see them logging in and posting but at least some members (who are still unaware) will know their intention. Is it possible to put some colors for better visibility?

What do you mean by "some colors"? It sounds like you just mean more strikes lol. Respectfully please put the crack away senator. Their titles are literally shill, or otherwise 1st strike, misbheaving, etc. If other members don't notice that, then these users have issues. Personally I'm waiting on the usual complaints of "you're being too harsh" not "you should do more" here.

Please just "toe the line: here and distribute negative karma appropriately. At this point I consider it your duty as both a senator and long-term d team members, thanks  :)
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Re: BG shilling and forum actions!
« Reply #79 on: September 19, 2024, 11:05:52 PM »
Simply changing the text into a red one or other color would be enough. Something that would quickly draw the attention of the reader of a shiller's post. If I would immediately notice that, I wouldn't bother reading the whole post because I already know what's to come.

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Re: BG shilling and forum actions!
« Reply #80 on: September 20, 2024, 12:58:51 PM »
Simply changing the text into a red one or other color would be enough. Something that would quickly draw the attention of the reader of a shiller's post. If I would immediately notice that, I wouldn't bother reading the whole post because I already know what's to come.

I agree, it's rather lenient where another exchange decided to imitate BG action. Today i noticed user Pips Flow[1] mention exchange called BingX on almost of all his recent posts. Their shilling also spotted on different forum[2].

[1] https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=profile;u=99292
[2] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5507115.0
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Re: BG shilling and forum actions!
« Reply #81 on: September 20, 2024, 03:13:50 PM »
Simply changing the text into a red one or other color would be enough. Something that would quickly draw the attention of the reader of a shiller's post. If I would immediately notice that, I wouldn't bother reading the whole post because I already know what's to come.

I agree, it's rather lenient where another exchange decided to imitate BG action. Today i noticed user Pips Flow[1] mention exchange called BingX on almost of all his recent posts. Their shilling also spotted on different forum[2].

[1] https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=profile;u=99292
[2] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5507115.0

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Aside from the disruption to forum, this is the issue of letting an exchange like Bitget get away with shilling and treated with a soft touch, it encourages others to do so the same if they see that it yields good results. Only when these campaign managers acknoledge that it has the potential to do more harm than good (tarnish the reputation of an exchange) will they stop doing this.
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Re: BG shilling and forum actions!
« Reply #81 on: September 20, 2024, 03:13:50 PM »


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Re: BG shilling and forum actions!
« Reply #82 on: September 20, 2024, 03:32:15 PM »
~snip~
Aside from the disruption to forum, this is the issue of letting an exchange like Bitget get away with shilling and treated with a soft touch, it encourages others to do so the same if they see that it yields good results. Only when these campaign managers acknoledge that it has the potential to do more harm than good (tarnish the reputation of an exchange) will they stop doing this.


I hate to repeat myself (and I don't know if it makes sense), but with the soft way of approaching the problem, we can hardly hope to turn things in our favor. For those who do this, it is not a problem to be marked as shills and to receive strikes, because when they assess that that profile is no longer usable, they simply create a new one and start all over again.

Their strength is in numbers, and until stricter measures are taken, we are spinning in a vicious circle.
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Re: BG shilling and forum actions!
« Reply #83 on: September 20, 2024, 03:52:52 PM »
~snip~
Aside from the disruption to forum, this is the issue of letting an exchange like Bitget get away with shilling and treated with a soft touch, it encourages others to do so the same if they see that it yields good results. Only when these campaign managers acknoledge that it has the potential to do more harm than good (tarnish the reputation of an exchange) will they stop doing this.


I hate to repeat myself (and I don't know if it makes sense), but with the soft way of approaching the problem, we can hardly hope to turn things in our favor.

The "soft approach" is over, it didn't work as shills simply ignored warnings and continued shilling regardless, as they have nothing to lose apart from an account they don't care about or value. It also went against the recommended manner to deal with shills, such as giving the appropriate badge as well as the original strategy of having posts moderated (under misbhehaving group).

For those who do this, it is not a problem to be marked as shills and to receive strikes, because when they assess that that profile is no longer usable, they simply create a new one and start all over again.

This is something we can do very little about, if users ditch the account to create a new account then we just have to catch the new accounts. It's always a cat and mouse game.

Their strength is in numbers, and until stricter measures are taken, we are spinning in a vicious circle.

This is otherwise the current mod strategy I'm using and have recommended to others:

1st offence: +20% warning*
2nd offence: Add shill badge and 1st strike
3rd offence: Add to misbehaving and 2nd strike
4th offence: 3 strikes

*Unless 100% of posts are shilling, then can receive shill tag immediately

To clarify:
- The shill tag is not a real punishment, it's just an accurate and appropriate label
- The strikes are the punishments (costs $5/10/25 to remove)
- Misbehaving means all posts require approval from mods
- 3 strikes means posts require approval by admin


Worth noting that the shill badge has so far led to most shills not shilling anymore, but only time will tell. Once they end up in misbehaving then they nearly always give up, as mods simply won't approve posts from shills that are still shilling, and instead more likely to give negative karma (or mods get -karma themselves if they approve shill posts).
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Re: BG shilling and forum actions!
« Reply #84 on: September 21, 2024, 07:31:27 PM »
Simply changing the text into a red one or other color would be enough. Something that would quickly draw the attention of the reader of a shiller's post. If I would immediately notice that, I wouldn't bother reading the whole post because I already know what's to come.

I agree, it's rather lenient where another exchange decided to imitate BG action. Today i noticed user Pips Flow[1] mention exchange called BingX on almost of all his recent posts. Their shilling also spotted on different forum[2].

[1] https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=profile;u=99292
[2] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5507115.0

Thanks for sharing +1. User has been tagged and warned, clear case of "Sign up here solely to promote a project for a forum advertising bounty".

As an update this user has already made it to misbheaving group with a strike after ignoring previous warning, so shouldn't see their shilling anymore unless mods slip up.

Obviously thought that shilling BingX as "B!ngx" and "Blngx" would somehow work  ::)

Doesn't realise I'm a human who can read ;D
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