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[KingsDen]

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According to dkbit98, it is not about posting graphics because it is easy to design. They should show a real life example of demixing coins mixed by just coinjoin technology

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I never heard about them, but I would like to see them prove demixing anything, not just posting graphics and images.
They even added Tornafo Cash, and I see they added probably all important agencies and police law enforcement forces in the world, claiming they are working with them.

They confronted eXch with their amateur analysis, so I looked into what it was all about. It is popular these days to do blockchain forensics, which results in the easy placement of negative marks on addresses and coins.

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[NotATether]

Jambler does not even "mix" the coins with the blockchain. They literally buy the coins from market makers well above the exchange rate. Some of their own clients (the chain analysis company I mean) sell their coins at a profit in this way. So that business model is not going to get weeded out anytime soon.

[dkbit98]

They confronted eXch with their amateur analysis, so I looked into what it was all about. It is popular these days to do blockchain forensics, which results in the easy placement of negative marks on addresses and coins.

I was following situation with eXch, but I didnt investigate all services involved with investigation.
I guess we have this new experts popping up like mushrooms everywhere.

They literally buy the coins from market makers well above the exchange rate. Some of their own clients (the chain analysis company I mean) sell their coins at a profit in this way. So that business model is not going to get weeded out anytime soon.

That is true, they are getting fresh coins directly from miners or from centralized exchanges.
But they are still accepting all Bitcoins and they earn fees for sending coins back.

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I was following situation with eXch, but I didnt investigate all services involved with investigation.
I guess we have this new experts popping up like mushrooms everywhere.

Bybit's promised reward encouraged many to change their profession and enroll in blockchain forensics.
With the help of AI, they create tools that monitor connected addresses and at the end submit some kind of complicated report in the form of graphics where all addresses are connected in one chain.

[dkbit98]

Bybit's promised reward encouraged many to change their profession and enroll in blockchain forensics.
With the help of AI, they create tools that monitor connected addresses and at the end submit some kind of complicated report in the form of graphics where all addresses are connected in one chain.

I can understand they are pissed and angry because they lost a lot of money, but what they are doing now can hurt everyone long term.
As for new blockchain forensics ''experts'' who became that over night... I am not surprised hearing about that.
We can see how services like Jambler are very important to exist, and I know Bybit would not agree with this

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I can understand they are pissed and angry because they lost a lot of money, but what they are doing now can hurt everyone long term.

They had to act like that. The demonstration that they have money to survive the loss of 1.4B, the promise of a 140 million reward (in fact 10% of the confiscated funds), aimed to appease investors and prevent a mass withdrawal from their exchange. This would certainly lead to the collapse of Bybit.

[dkbit98]

They had to act like that. The demonstration that they have money to survive the loss of 1.4B, the promise of a 140 million reward (in fact 10% of the confiscated funds), aimed to appease investors and prevent a mass withdrawal from their exchange. This would certainly lead to the collapse of Bybit.

I think Bybit is going to collapse soon anyway, and I don't think they learned anything from this hack.
If I was their ex customer I would never use them again, and same goes for someone new who want to use centralized exchange.
I would never trust any centralized exchange, but I understand why some people are using them.

[Wiwo]

Jambler does not even "mix" the coins with the blockchain. They literally buy the coins from market makers well above the exchange rate. Some of their own clients (the chain analysis company I mean) sell their coins at a profit in this way. So that business model is not going to get weeded out anytime soon.

Can we make such a method of coin mixing a sustainable one, from the above explanation, it looks as if Jambler will be running their services at a loss since their purchasing the coins above market price, how then will they generate profits and revenue for the company?

[dkbit98]

Can we make such a method of coin mixing a sustainable one, from the above explanation, it looks as if Jambler will be running their services at a loss since their purchasing the coins above market price, how then will they generate profits and revenue for the company?

Isn't is obvious, Jambler is charging fees for their services, that includes coins received and partners they are working with.
They are surely making a profit or they would not continue to exist for years and have many partners.
As long as bitcoin remains like this Jambler will survive and thrive.

[SamReomo]

Isn't is obvious, Jambler is charging fees for their services, that includes coins received and partners they are working with.
They are surely making a profit or they would not continue to exist for years and have many partners.
As long as bitcoin remains like this Jambler will survive and thrive.

Yes, very true, they are charging fees for their services and that's why they're still part of the market. I think a service like Jambler will always remain but the ones who were truly against the privacy enhancing services like Jambler did very bad by banning it from Bitcointalk. It isn't directly a mixer.

[Wiwo]

Isn't is obvious, Jambler is charging fees for their services, that includes coins received and partners they are working with.
They are surely making a profit or they would not continue to exist for years and have many partners.
As long as bitcoin remains like this Jambler will survive and thrive.

Yes, very true, they are charging fees for their services and that's why they're still part of the market. I think a service like Jambler will always remain but the ones who were truly against the privacy enhancing services like Jambler did very bad by banning it from Bitcointalk. It isn't directly a mixer.

We just have to face the reality of things because if jambler does not charge fees for their services how then do you expect them to remain in the market and providing such services, because as it is, it most definitely that revenue is needed for any service to remain live, so for that we shouldn't think that jamblers services will be 100% fee free.

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Yes, very true, they are charging fees for their services and that's why they're still part of the market. I think a service like Jambler will always remain but the ones who were truly against the privacy enhancing services like Jambler did very bad by banning it from Bitcointalk. It isn't directly a mixer.

Who knows, with the current new changes in the approach to mixing bitcoins by the US government, maybe now there would be no banning of Jambler from Btt.

[dkbit98]

Who knows, with the current new changes in the approach to mixing bitcoins by the US government, maybe now there would be no banning of Jambler from Btt.

Jambler is not really a mixer so it should never been banned in the first place, but now there is a chance for a comeback.
However, many things can change in one year, and that is the period theymos gave to reconsider his pervious decision.
Meanwhile we should all be thankful to AltcoinsTalks.

[Wiwo]

Yes, very true, they are charging fees for their services and that's why they're still part of the market. I think a service like Jambler will always remain but the ones who were truly against the privacy enhancing services like Jambler did very bad by banning it from Bitcointalk. It isn't directly a mixer.

Who knows, with the current new changes in the approach to mixing bitcoins by the US government, maybe now there would be no banning of Jambler from Btt.

I read a couple of posts that speculated that mixer is going to return to btt next year, or late this year. although we are not certain of that yet, but that not withstanding, the US government is making some policies that regulate mixers operations within their region, so there is hope for friendly environment for good mixers to exist.

But my biggest how privacy will be enhanced by allowing government involvement in mixers operations.