Whales and Manipulation....do you believe it?

[bayu7adi]

In cryptocurrency, we often hear the term whales which refers to an individual or group who has very large assets and is thought to have a big influence on crypto.
Meanwhile, it is also related to market manipulation, which also deviates slightly from the laws of nature, where one individual or group intends to change the direction of market movements using their own means...
Between whales and market manipulation activities, they are usually interconnected, and that is a normal thing in the world of investment...

so do you believe that current market movements are no longer influenced by supply and demand, but rather by interference from other parties who want market movements? in the direction they want?

[philipma1957]

both not one or the other.

whales can only twist it to a degree.

and sometimes demand overcomes whales moves

[yhiaali3]

There is no doubt that whales manipulate the market, but in the end it is a matter of supply and demand. Therefore, yes, whales manipulate, but according to the law of the market, whale manipulation is through supply and demand.

For example, if whales want to manipulate, they buy large quantities, and this is called increasing demand, which leads to an increase in the price. When the price increases, the whales sell the large quantities they bought, which leads to an increase in supply and a decrease in the price again. In summary, whales manipulate by increasing supply or demand.

[hugeblack]

What whales do is impacting on supply and demand. Given the size of the Bitcoin market, the impact is within a narrow time frame and requires billions. Therefore, the impact of whales on the market is less and their influence decreases over time. It is completely different from relatively small cryptocurrencies, where a trader with a million dollars can influence the market

[Bobcrypto]

There is one important area of the market that may be difficult for Whales to manipulate at times. There are major demand Zone that some times pushes the market price to these areas. I think some of these big Whale may be responsible when the market is moving to these demand Zones, but there could be other market makers who want to buy Btc at low price when there are news of market dump like the MTGOX exchange pay out sales, plus the German government Btc sells off.

[Charles-Tim]

If you know how to read buy and sell candles, you can put it in 15 minutes time and be going through some altcoins. Do this for like a month. You will see how some whales are manipulating coins. There are many of them that I am seeing. But the one I can easily remember was Troll (TRB) which was pumped from around $200 to almost $630 within 2 days and got dumped to around $200 within just 30 minutes. It happened on 31st of December 2023.

[ABCbits]

Yes, although it's more accurate that i believe whale and manipulation attempt exist. Existence of so many pump and dump group prove that, although usually owner of such group is the only one who make profit.

[EluguHcman]

Like the news flies, Crypto enthusiasts like Trumps Elon said to be crypto whales not really that proven of their crypto assets but having influence over the crypto markets.
Previous times, there was a speculation that in publicity where Trump is criticized, the values of cryptocurrencies drops but when he's being hailed, the value of the crypto markets increases.
So likely to say there are personalities over holding the market derivations at some extend.

[0t3p0t]

Yes, although it's more accurate that i believe whale and manipulation attempt exist. Existence of so many pump and dump group prove that, although usually owner of such group is the only one who make profit.

Yeah it actually existed and is attacking the market in a coordinated way and they are more common in pre-market shitcoins or even in known memecoins. Whales and Devs are the reasons why there is this what we called rug pulls. Whales uses their buying power to manipulate the market and that will benefit them the way they wanted it to be.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

The crypto market is a dynamic and complex market which is influenced by a lot of things, while it's true that supply and demand are the major drivers of the market movement, it's true that there are several other factors that drives the markets too, the whales do indeed have the ability to manipulate and divert market directions since they hold a significant amount of the assets, they automatically possess an advantage over the market because then can use the power of supply and demand to their own personal advantage.

A whale can possess the purchasing power of thousands of investors which means, if they decide to remove all or part of their money from the market, it'll definitely have quite a significant impact on the market and automatically change the market's current movement.

We also have other factors that can equally influence the market, like some real life world events/occurrences, if you noticed very well, you discover that the assassination attempt on Donald Trump has also influenced the Bitcoin market by at increasing Bitcoin's performance by at least 2%.
The COVID-19 pandemic apocalypse is also another good example of how events and world occurrence ls can influence the market.

[Freemind]

Manipulation is as old as life itself. Of course I believe that there are whales and groups of whales manipulating the market according to their interests, and I also believe that the market moves by supply and demand, but in a much smaller size. The clearest example is how politicians influence (manipulate) the population of any country when elections approach, or how companies manipulate their products, something that we have been able to see especially in technological devices. Whenever we talk about “market” we talk about manipulation.

[electronicash]

its what they said so and i think there really is that manipulated us to sell our coins. the news German government selling their coins although its true that they are selling, it would have been kept private but they intend to make the retail investors panic to make them sell their coins too. and then there's Mtgox along with that news, i guess the coordination is there.

they didn't even hide it. unlike before the regulation where whales are just in the forum spreading fud and along the articles in crypto.

[Captain Corporate]

To me this not about if it happens or not, but it is about if its successful or not. I am sure that there are whales out there everyday trying to do the best they can do, but that doesn't mean that we are going to end up with a good result all that easily. We should realize that things aren't going to be easy, we are going to see that its going to take a while for even a whale to manipulate the market. This means that, yeah they are trying all the time, there is no doubt about that part, but are they always hitting the nail on the head? I do not think so, I think some of the time they succeed and sometimes they fail.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

its what they said so and i think there really is that manipulated us to sell our coins. the news German government selling their coins although its true that they are selling, it would have been kept private but they intend to make the retail investors panic to make them sell their coins too. and then there's Mtgox along with that news, i guess the coordination is there.

they didn't even hide it. unlike before the regulation where whales are just in the forum spreading fud and along the articles in crypto.

Sometimes there can actually be some sort of a clash of interest amongst the whales, some whales may want the market to proceed In an upward trend, according to their personal interests, while some other whales might be interested in quite the opposite so the both parties employ their manipulation strategies and whoever's technique is more effective tends to win and end up driving the market according to their own personal interest, and sometimes they can even end up leaving the market in a bearish trend, not going up and not going down. It's quite funny how they manage to twist the market to suit their personal interests, this shows just how much influence the whales have on the crypto market

[Wiwo]

What is supply and demand, because even the whales can still influence the supply and demand of bitcoin or any other asset's on the exchange market, because as long as they have a large amount of the assets that means they have higher influence on the direction that the market will go, because their can decide to withold the supply to increase scarcity.

This have alot to do with the outcome of the market and what the outcome will be, because when you are a whale you hold 80% power to manipulate the market to favour themselves.