Karma review request

[examplens]

concerning karma logs, as a first step, a copy of these logs (with a delay of one week) will be available for top management.
president, vice president , as well as ex presidents.
later on, if we see there is a need, it will be also available to selected few admins.

Opening the karma log for moderators could certainly be a useful thing if only to make moderation easier. (At least as far as I've seen, active moderators do their job pretty well)

Otherwise, is the karma log permanent or is it cleaned periodically?

in your case the abuser was punished and can no longer issue karma, and i'll add +10 karma

It's good to know that things like this are being resolved.
I will leave the topic unlocked for a little while longer if the other side has something to say about the whole case.

[dragononcrypto]

concerning karma logs, as a first step, a copy of these logs (with a delay of one week) will be available for top management.
president, vice president , as well as ex presidents.
later on, if we see there is a need, it will be also available to selected few admins.

Happy to keep an eye on these and can help with future requests if needed 

[philipma1957]

This is my request to review the negative karma points I received in the last few two days.

It lasted a bit longer, even when I was less active on the forum, but it has become quite frequent lately, especially after several dramas with certain users. It probably helped that I exposed some of them as spammers.
I'm pretty sure it comes from a childishly persistent user, because -karma repeats itself every ~12 hours. Immediately after I receive the notification, by checking the current online users, one member is always active at that moment. I am quite sure who it is, but I demand that the administration check it to confirm.

What is the procedure, how many ALTT tokens are needed to burn for this check the last 4x -karma in the last 2 days?

here is a positive karma as I appreciate your work.

If every poster on this thread gave you a positive karma your negative guy would have ended up helping you.

we could use this thread to be a negative karma cancel thread .

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I see ten responsible members here . that would be ten plus karmas which would mean the negative person ended up helping the person he hates.


If admin was to say I looked at the op of a karma post and see a pattern of abuse we can give the victim karma.

the admin can freeze the abuser.

so this pretty much would end abuse.

[God Of Thunder]

It's good to know that things like this are being resolved.
I will leave the topic unlocked for a little while longer if the other side has something to say about the whole case.

I guess most of us know what that was, and I believe he will not write a word here because he is proven guilty and punished by the admin. Since only the admin knows his name, we don't want to point fingers towards someone even if it is too obvious, but unfortunately, we are not a hundred per cent sure.

If any other member plans to do something like that because of a heated argument, they should learn from this case and forget their plan. They should know that the logs are available to the admin, who checks them when necessary.

[Freemind]

for karma linked to post, please forget it for now, i might work on it later. and if so it's not a guarantee that it will go live, because ... bugs and errors.
any slight error can crash the system and have done so in the past, that's why i avoid messing too much.

concerning karma logs, as a first step, a copy of these logs (with a delay of one week) will be available for top management.
president, vice president , as well as ex presidents.
later on, if we see there is a need, it will be also available to selected few admins.

opening karma logs is not a solution, because it would lead to petty retaliation.

Thank you for the update and for allowing us to see the logs, it will be interesting when looking for possible patterns and being able to track the forum.


As all users have been able to verify, the administrator has solved the problem without users having had any discussions or tensions. I still think this is the way of Karma.

And since this has been a lesson for users who plan to "attack" others through Karma, @examplens +2 from me.

[examplens]

Thank you for the update and for allowing us to see the logs, it will be interesting when looking for possible patterns and being able to track the forum.

You should thank the karma abuser, he provoked this change. This is already the second change or new forum rule on the forum for which he is responsible 

I guess most of us know what that was, and I believe he will not write a word here because he is proven guilty and punished by the admin. Since only the admin knows his name, we don't want to point fingers towards someone even if it is too obvious, but unfortunately, we are not a hundred per cent sure.

I'm pretty sure I know who it is, but I didn't want to point the finger at anyone without concrete evidence. He certainly accused me of "discriminating against his working conditions" and "all rights from the employment relationship"

we could use this thread to be a negative karma cancel thread .

The thread could be a good guide for all those who want to abuse karma.

If every poster on this thread gave you a positive karma your negative guy would have ended up helping you.

I'm fine with the way everything was handled.

[God Of Thunder]

I'm pretty sure I know who it is, but I didn't want to point the finger at anyone without concrete evidence. He certainly accused me of "discriminating against his working conditions" and "all rights from the employment relationship"

I posted on chat on the same day you created this thread that another D***la rule was coming up, which ended up being true. Sometimes, people cannot understand what they should do and what they should not, but they attack when questioned for their behaviour.

I am surprised that the admin was too patient in handling that guy. This is not the first thing he did, which is frowned upon. Even the admin talked to him multiple times and warned him not to continue, but sometimes people want to prove themselves. I am happy to see the case closed nicely, as expected.

[Freemind]

~snip~
You should thank the karma abuser, he provoked this change. This is already the second change or new forum rule on the forum for which he is responsible 

Well, you're partly right, since that user was the one who took the first step regarding all of this for things to end up like this, but keep in mind that the final decision to allow moderators to see Karma logs was made by administrator. The important thing is that all this ended well and that other users will think twice before making certain decisions.

[dragononcrypto]

Thank you for the update and for allowing us to see the logs, it will be interesting when looking for possible patterns and being able to track the forum.

You should thank the karma abuser, he provoked this change. This is already the second change or new forum rule on the forum for which he is responsible 

To be fair, Presidents have previously had access to karma logs, but it was never regular and only when requested or dumped upon, so wouldn't call it a new rule per say. But having a weekly or monthly log is certainly an improvement.

Per your other point above, I otherwise think certainly best to keep away from mods, no offence to any of them, only we've had bad apples before (N***man) and it would definitely be very easy to abuse such data (I'm thinking mainly retaliation against -k). Global mods would also be fine as a trusted group who have all been around for time so could be posted into that section otherwise. Probably useful also for some of the bigger local language GMs.

I am surprised that the admin was too patient in handling that guy. This is not the first thing he did, which is frowned upon. Even the admin talked to him multiple times and warned him not to continue, but sometimes people want to prove themselves. I am happy to see the case closed nicely, as expected.

If you haven't noticed yet, admin is a complete soft touch. It took years before he agreed to even allow global mods to block users from posting. This is certainly not a bad thing even if it has been frustrating in the past. There are plenty of users who change their behaviour with some encouragement, even if most don't. I've always admired his efforts to give users an out, even when it has been a waste of time, or completely backfired. (I'm thinking N****man yet again, he had way too many chances and abused them all).

Freemind rules with an iron fist by comparison (mod in joke). On this note, our President should probably have access to 3 strikes, plaga penalty, and spammer groups by now wouldn't you say admin? VP and the rest of us have it, and I think he can be trusted by now 

[Lucius]

After all, advice to everyone - considering how @examplens has established that someone is systematically targeting him with negative karma, the only way to be sure that someone is not doing the same to you is to start using a Telegram bot that will notify you every time you get +/karma . This is the only way you can have proof and ask for your karma log to be reviewed.

AltcoinsTalks Telegram Notifier

[dragononcrypto]

After all, advice to everyone - considering how @examplens has established that someone is systematically targeting him with negative karma, the only way to be sure that someone is not doing the same to you is to start using a Telegram bot that will notify you every time you get +/karma . This is the only way you can have proof and ask for your karma log to be reviewed.

AltcoinsTalks Telegram Notifier

It's a good suggestion +1, was looking for that link after seeing screenshots so thanks for sharing (I'm still catching up here).

It's otherwise not easy to identify karma abuse in the logs unless you are looking for it, ie checking a particular users usage of karma, specifically towards another.

In the past users have just noticed that they were dropping karma, which had been the case for decentralized team members a number of times (as obvious retaliation). It's basically the reason karma revoking was created. The only issue is you might not notice if you get as much + as you do -, and thus it might just seem like you're not receiving any I guess. As examplens has done, and has always been the case in the past, it's best to report these things and presidents can check it over.

[Lucius]

It's a good suggestion +1, was looking for that link after seeing screenshots so thanks for sharing (I'm still catching up here).

You're welcome, it's a good tool that can be of great help in some situations - because having doubts is one thing, and having proof is something completely different.

It's otherwise not easy to identify karma abuse in the logs unless you are looking for it, ie checking a particular users usage of karma, specifically towards another.

In the past users have just noticed that they were dropping karma, which had been the case for decentralized team members a number of times (as obvious retaliation). It's basically the reason karma revoking was created. The only issue is you might not notice if you get as much + as you do -, and thus it might just seem like you're not receiving any I guess. As examplens has done, and has always been the case in the past, it's best to report these things and presidents can check it over.

If someone targets you on purpose and is just a little intelligent, then they will do it in a way that they will send negative karmas when they find that you are not online. If, for example, I have 180 karmas for days (and this is the case), it is possible that every day when someone notices that I got +karma, they cancel it with -karma, and I can't possibly know that unless I check the forum 24 hours a day.

Let's hope that there will be fewer cases like this, and there will be fewer if everyone is a little more careful.

[admin]

Freemind rules with an iron fist by comparison (mod in joke). On this note, our President should probably have access to 3 strikes, plaga penalty, and spammer groups by now wouldn't you say admin? VP and the rest of us have it, and I think he can be trusted by now 

yeah it seams i have forgotten to add him, rectified

[examplens]

It's otherwise not easy to identify karma abuse in the logs unless you are looking for it, ie checking a particular users usage of karma, specifically towards another.

In the past users have just noticed that they were dropping karma, which had been the case for decentralized team members a number of times (as obvious retaliation). It's basically the reason karma revoking was created. The only issue is you might not notice if you get as much + as you do -, and thus it might just seem like you're not receiving any I guess. As examplens has done, and has always been the case in the past, it's best to report these things and presidents can check it over.

If someone targets you on purpose and is just a little intelligent, then they will do it in a way that they will send negative karmas when they find that you are not online. If, for example, I have 180 karmas for days (and this is the case), it is possible that every day when someone notices that I got +karma, they cancel it with -karma, and I can't possibly know that unless I check the forum 24 hours a day.

At the bottom of the home page of the forum, the last active users are listed. As I received -karma notifications a minimum of once every day, it was very easy to determine which user was always active during that period.

[philipma1957]

Thank you for the update and for allowing us to see the logs, it will be interesting when looking for possible patterns and being able to track the forum.

You should thank the karma abuser, he provoked this change. This is already the second change or new forum rule on the forum for which he is responsible 

I guess most of us know what that was, and I believe he will not write a word here because he is proven guilty and punished by the admin. Since only the admin knows his name, we don't want to point fingers towards someone even if it is too obvious, but unfortunately, we are not a hundred per cent sure.

I'm pretty sure I know who it is, but I didn't want to point the finger at anyone without concrete evidence. He certainly accused me of "discriminating against his working conditions" and "all rights from the employment relationship"

we could use this thread to be a negative karma cancel thread .

The thread could be a good guide for all those who want to abuse karma.

If every poster on this thread gave you a positive karma your negative guy would have ended up helping you.

I'm fine with the way everything was handled.

I gave you more karma today as the time of 12 hours passed.

Fo me I like the way this thread approached the problem.
Admin also did well hoping that this becomes a sticky so that angry people or simple trolls do not abuse karma since it is pointless to do it if it is handled the way of this thread.