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Further Discussions => General Discussion => Topic started by: jesuschrist! on December 04, 2023, 05:07:00 PM
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it seems like the btctalk forum is already announcing the mixers are not allowed to advertise there. this forum needs to shine and do its work to accommodate them.
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The forum doesn't need to but it all depends on the admin. I wouldn't fault him if he's going to follow the same path. I don't think anybody in here will come to his aid in case authorities come knocking.
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it seems like the btctalk forum is already announcing the mixers are not allowed to advertise there. this forum needs to shine and do its work to accommodate them.
Yes, why not! If forum admin grants permission we can freely promote mixers here, and soon we might witness a mixer signature campaign on this forum. It will be managed by Royse777 a respected and reputable manager on Bitcointalk. I believe mixers are facing restrictions on Bitcointalk hence need for an alternative platform. Hopefully, in the future we will see more of these initiatives, fostering community growth and attracting additional traffic.
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it seems like the btctalk forum is already announcing the mixers are not allowed to advertise there. this forum needs to shine and do its work to accommodate them.
Yes, why not! If forum admin grants permission we can freely promote mixers here, and soon we might witness a mixer signature campaign on this forum. It will be managed by Royse777 a respected and reputable manager on Bitcointalk. I believe mixers are facing restrictions on Bitcointalk hence need for an alternative platform. Hopefully, in the future we will see more of these initiatives, fostering community growth and attracting additional traffic.
Right, Its great to see Royse777 Launched a mixers signature compaign and its will officially start from 1st January of 2024.
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=312833.0
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Yup Royse is just so quick to haave figured it out. That this is the most alternative forum to go over since the forum has also more users. Kudos to altcoinstalks.com I guess we're all be moving here sooner than we thought.
Party will continue after all.
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Already we can see the mixer campaign ads started on AltcoinTalk. When the mixer campaign is announced to be closed in Bitcoin, it is most useful to choose AltcoinTalk forum as an alternative, which @Royse777 already started with the first campaign. Thanks @Royse777 sir and my best wishes and congratulations in advance to anyone preparing to come here.
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Better to search for an alternative than to just swallow whatever the authorities are shoving in our throats. If you lose one opportunity, you must seek another. Time and tide waits for none. I think this forum is much more suitable to advertise mixer services than other forums out there. Seems a bit non-active forum but with this move, I think this forum will also gain popularity. And as long as those mixer services are not into some shady business, they are all good.
Always remember that mixing services is not illegal. But bad people will use it for criminal purposes. If those services can somehow prevent this form happening, they can stay here as long as they want.
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The forum doesn't need to but it all depends on the admin. I wouldn't fault him if he's going to follow the same path. I don't think anybody in here will come to his aid in case authorities come knocking.
Mixers are not illegal services. You sounds like it some kind of darknet services.
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it seems like the btctalk forum is already announcing the mixers are not allowed to advertise there. this forum needs to shine and do its work to accommodate them.
Lets say all mixers come here to promote their service, will the admin of altcointalks do the same action as bitcointalk later?
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Lets say all mixers come here to promote their service, will the admin of altcointalks do the same action as bitcointalk later?
I highly doubt it. If you look closely, the Mixero thread is not in the rewards section, it is in the marketplace section, and that is a very important detail that can avoid future problems if there are any.. Each country has its own regulations and laws, and although some claim to be the world's police, it is not the case. More than 98% of money laundering is done with FIAT, but that doesn't matter to some, cryptocurrencies do, because they are not under their control. Mixers are not illegal, we just have to act thinking about the future.
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it seems like the btctalk forum is already announcing the mixers are not allowed to advertise there. this forum needs to shine and do its work to accommodate them.
Lets say all mixers come here to promote their service, will the admin of altcointalks do the same action as bitcointalk later?
here's your answer : https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=312821.0
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I know they're going to be allowed to advertise here as the admin has pointed out. I'm curious the policy on whether or not to cooperate with law enforcement? If they come in asking for IPs of people promoting mixers 1 day, will the forum comply?
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I know they're going to be allowed to advertise here as the admin has pointed out. I'm curious the policy on whether or not to cooperate with law enforcement? If they come in asking for IPs of people promoting mixers 1 day, will the forum comply?
That's a valid concern and if promoting of those mixers is in any way against the policies of the law enforcement agencies then that could be harmful for the participants who might be promoting those on their profiles.
But, if a mixer isn't doing anything wrong then in that case I don't think that the participants should worry or even the admin of this forum as it won't cause any problems for admin or the participants who are promoting that campaign.
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I know they're going to be allowed to advertise here as the admin has pointed out. I'm curious the policy on whether or not to cooperate with law enforcement? If they come in asking for IPs of people promoting mixers 1 day, will the forum comply?
Indeed a good question.
1- Server is not in the US
2- I highly doubt they even have the right to ask for IPs, also most people use VPN
3- I personally think that mixers do not have a worse role than HSBC or Swiss banks, and that they are important for privacy. And mixers are not illegal.
4- We are not operating a mixer.
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I know they're going to be allowed to advertise here as the admin has pointed out. I'm curious the policy on whether or not to cooperate with law enforcement? If they come in asking for IPs of people promoting mixers 1 day, will the forum comply?
simple answer No,
because they do not have the right, and i am not a US citizen, nor the server is in the US
there are a 1000 other reason that i will not go into in details.
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More than 98% of money laundering is done with FIAT, but that doesn't matter to some, cryptocurrencies do, because they are not under their control. Mixers are not illegal, we just have to act thinking about the future.
You are actually right, @Freemind. I still remember an article I was reading about banks that were found to be mostly used in money laundering, and then I saw the name of the bank, like Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI), Nauru, Danske Bank, Standard Chartered Bank, and Wachovia Bank. The fact is that billions of dollars of laundered money have actually passed through those banks, and I believe that the record that those authorities took was only for the one that they caught; there were still many other laundering cases that were not noticed.
Money laundering is not only done through crypto or Bitcoin mixers. I think the problem that the government has with Bitcoin mixers is the privacy they give to Bitcoin users. Although we cannot completely dispute the fact that some money launderers might use mixers to commit illegal acts, but it doesn't condemn Bitcoin mixers illegal. Or should we say that "Banks" are illegal because some have been used for money laundering?
@OP, The Bitcointalk global admin has only taken precautions to protect himself and the forum from government claims in the future that could lead to shutting down the forum. The global administrator of bitcointalk is a US citizen and known by his identity.
I have already read the admin's topic regarding promoting any service on this forum, and it is not an offense even if all the mixers come here to promote their service.
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Indeed a good question.
1- Server is not in the US
2- I highly doubt they even have the right to ask for IPs, also most people use VPN
3- I personally think that mixers do not have a worse role than HSBC or Swiss banks, and they are important for privacy. And mixers are not illegal.
4- We are not operating a mixer.
Thanks, admin, for the clarification. So, this will be a safe place for Mixers' services. I have seen a lot of members asking why a platform has to censor a specific service while they do not operate it, nor are they connected with the service anyway. I don't think the admin has a valid answer to the question. Anyway, I do not expect any censorship unless something is illegal.
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I know they're going to be allowed to advertise here as the admin has pointed out. I'm curious the policy on whether or not to cooperate with law enforcement? If they come in asking for IPs of people promoting mixers 1 day, will the forum comply?
simple answer No,
because they do not have the right, and i am not a US citizen, nor the server is in the US
there are a 1000 other reason that i will not go into in details.
Pretty bold answer I believe and yes I guess it's your right to not allow anyone to get details of the users who are active on your site and are working as members of the site. I believe that in that forum the admin had no other option and that's why he decided to take actions in the form of not allowing mixers to run their campaigns anymore.
I believe that law enforcement agencies aren't against the mixers in general but they are against those mixers that might have done shady mixings which were somehow involved with money laundering cases. That's the reason for seizing of those mixers and the good mixers should not get any problem because they aren't doing any shady things.
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Indeed a good question.
1- Server is not in the US
2- I highly doubt they even have the right to ask for IPs, also most people use VPN
3- I personally think that mixers do not have a worse role than HSBC or Swiss banks, and they are important for privacy. And mixers are not illegal.
4- We are not operating a mixer.
Thanks, admin, for the clarification. So, this will be a safe place for Mixers' services. I have seen a lot of members asking why a platform has to censor a specific service while they do not operate it, nor are they connected with the service anyway. I don't think the admin has a valid answer to the question. Anyway, I do not expect any censorship unless something is illegal.
We are libertarians , we don't like governments involvements
so it's not about mixers , but about F the government censorship and meddling in everything.
It's an ideological position.
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From the business perspective, it depends on whether or not the campaign attracts enough traffic. But at least the admin already said it's okay to advertise so it's up to the masses and Google SERP God.
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Thanks, admin, for the clarification. So, this will be a safe place for Mixers' services. I have seen a lot of members asking why a platform has to censor a specific service while they do not operate it, nor are they connected with the service anyway. I don't think the admin has a valid answer to the question. Anyway, I do not expect any censorship unless something is illegal.
We are libertarians , we don't like governments involvements
so it's not about mixers , but about F the government censorship and meddling in everything.
It's an ideological position.
We are here for a reason. Crypto users never wanted to be dominated by the government, which was the reason Satoshi created Bitcoin decades ago. Then, other currencies were invented, and anonymity lovers widely accepted the concept of cryptocurrency. The government always wanted to control everything people do, including their digital footprint. Now, they are trying to limit us on the internet as well. We always needed people who would stand against them.
Instead, most platform owners started cooperating with the government and transferring users' data. That's not what we wanted. We wanted an internet where we could write anything. We can raise our voices! I was never been a fan of altcoins! Nor altcoinstalks. But if it gives me more freedom than another centralized platform, let it become my other home.
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We are here for a reason. Crypto users never wanted to be dominated by the government, which was the reason Satoshi created Bitcoin decades ago. Then, other currencies were invented, and anonymity lovers widely accepted the concept of cryptocurrency. The government always wanted to control everything people do, including their digital footprint. Now, they are trying to limit us on the internet as well. We always needed people who would stand against them.
I believe that standing against government isn't a good step and in fact that's not possible fully because we are living in the matrix which we can't avoid and that's why it won't be helpful for anyone to stand against governments. I agree that Satoshi created Bitcoin because he really didn't like the concept of centralized currencies and wanted to have something that would allow anyone to trade goods without any interference from third parties(Centralized Banks,) and he created Bitcoin.
But, now the Bitcoin isn't the same it used to be because the centralized exchanges control a lot of Bitcoin and most users save their Bitcoin on those centralized exchanges. Which's something Satoshi never thought of but that's a truth which we can't neglect. I'm pretty impressed by the statement of the admin that he won't share any information of the users to any authorities which's something great to hear and I believe that's enough for our satisfaction.
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The only reason the government is making mixers seem like a taboo is the fact that it offers privacy without giving access to the government and you know that, whatever offers such privacy is always kicked against by the government and one sweetest ting is that admin isn’t from the states neither is the proxy of this site state based so I think this place is a safe haven for mixers
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The only reason the government is making mixers seem like a taboo is the fact that it offers privacy without giving access to the government and you know that, whatever offers such privacy is always kicked against by the government and one sweetest ting is that admin isn’t from the states neither is the proxy of this site state based so I think this place is a safe haven for mixers
Definitely a safe Haven indeed, because just like you said mixers are service that don't allow anyone control it, I mean they are the epitome of decentralized mechanism and the government for one knows this and is using the fact that criminal also exploit their use to actually fight against their legality in the cryptocurrency industry.
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it seems like the btctalk forum is already announcing the mixers are not allowed to advertise there. this forum needs to shine and do its work to accommodate them.
It sure would be nice to start advertising mixers here, because I love the idea of mixers, the anonymity and security it offers,
I still don't get why BitcoinTalk decided to stop advertising mixers on the forum. But regardless, it depends completely on the admins to decide if or not they'd allow it or not.
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it seems like the btctalk forum is already announcing the mixers are not allowed to advertise there. this forum needs to shine and do its work to accommodate them.
Lets say all mixers come here to promote their service, will the admin of altcointalks do the same action as bitcointalk later?
There is a reason for everything and if the admin of altcointalk see it as something worth doing for the good of altcointalk then it is a good decision.
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We are here for a reason. Crypto users never wanted to be dominated by the government, which was the reason Satoshi created Bitcoin decades ago. Then, other currencies were invented, and anonymity lovers widely accepted the concept of cryptocurrency. The government always wanted to control everything people do, including their digital footprint. Now, they are trying to limit us on the internet as well. We always needed people who would stand against them.
I believe that standing against government isn't a good step and in fact that's not possible fully because we are living in the matrix which we can't avoid and that's why it won't be helpful for anyone to stand against governments. I agree that Satoshi created Bitcoin because he really didn't like the concept of centralized currencies and wanted to have something that would allow anyone to trade goods without any interference from third parties(Centralized Banks,) and he created Bitcoin.
People always had to stand against the government to get freedom from them. Nothing is easier. If you know that you are right and they are forcing you illegally, you have to protest. If you say it's not a good idea, we cannot be friends, buddy. I always believe in the right thing. If the government forcibly takes my own land, won't I protect it?
The government does not have the right to violate my privacy. They do not have the right to know where I kept my hard-earned money. It's my money. I paid tax for it. Now, what else do they want from me? Mixers are not illegal until they prove they are doing shady things.
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People always had to stand against the government to get freedom from them. Nothing is easier. If you know that you are right and they are forcing you illegally, you have to protest. If you say it's not a good idea, we cannot be friends, buddy. I always believe in the right thing. If the government forcibly takes my own land, won't I protect it?
The government does not have the right to violate my privacy. They do not have the right to know where I kept my hard-earned money. It's my money. I paid tax for it. Now, what else do they want from me? Mixers are not illegal until they prove they are doing shady things.
We don't need to get freedom from government but we have to do something that would protect our privacy. Going against a government isn't the best approach I believe because we always have to have some government taking control of our countries and we can't harm the government at all. I also support your concerns about the privacy and it's our right to do something that's not against the rules or laws of our region.
Governments should not be allowed to take our own land or properties and we can legally take action against them. Brother we can only fight for our rights and it's not possible to fight the governments. Let's say if we get freedom from one government then we get under another government that forms after the freedom. That's why I believe we can't be free from the governments. I agree with you that the mixers aren't illegal and they should not be treated as illegal but they're providing privacy and that can be hurdle for some guys who want to interfere with others privacy.
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It's like you agree with my point of view regarding protecting your privacy, but when it is the government, you decide not to stand against them. It's like, I will talk against illegal things, but if it's my boss, It's not a good idea to stand against him. Isn't that sound like that? I will not stand against the government for something that only benefits me. I won't stand against the government when they ask for tax because it's their right to take tax and VAT.
Do you always co-operate with the police? Do you allow them to enter your home, be searched, and get arrested without a warrant? I don't think so. If you are innocent, stand against them and don't get arrested.
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It's like you agree with my point of view regarding protecting your privacy, but when it is the government, you decide not to stand against them. It's like, I will talk against illegal things, but if it's my boss, It's not a good idea to stand against him. Isn't that sound like that? I will not stand against the government for something that only benefits me. I won't stand against the government when they ask for tax because it's their right to take tax and VAT.
Do you always co-operate with the police? Do you allow them to enter your home, be searched, and get arrested without a warrant? I don't think so. If you are innocent, stand against them and don't get arrested.
We agree that when a government wants (I am not going to say which country because we all know it) everything is for “citizen protection.” We also know that it is a lie and that all they want is to have us under their control. Any government fears what it does not know, but it fears much more what it does not know and cannot control. We have a clear example of what I just said in China with the CBDC currency tests. Every government will condemn (with more or less excuses) the mixers, they are out of their control.
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Every government will condemn (with more or less excuses) the mixers, they are out of their control.
Not only mixers, but there are many things that won't be controlled. Would they have allowed Bitcoin to grow if they knew how to stop it? It's not like they didn't know. But, the task is impossible. When Bitcoin has less than a hundred active nodes, they could have chased them down if they wanted. But that was a lot of work to do, which was not worth the time they had to spend. People cared about privacy decades ago and used Tor to run their nodes. Now, Bitcoin has more than 15K active nodes. Do you think they would be able to control the Bitcoin network? Fortunately, NO. We needed more people like Julian Assange. We needed more cypherpunks!
Instead, we say "Going against a government isn't the best approach".
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it seems like the btctalk forum is already announcing the mixers are not allowed to advertise there. this forum needs to shine and do its work to accommodate them.
Definitely, I see that happening soonest, but maybe more activities needs to kick start. Engagement needs to be encouraged, because investors loves a busy place. Sometimes, I come across post that gets over 2000 views, but end up getting 20 comments. What happened to the 1980 viewers?, Why do they choose not to comment?. Ok, I agree to the fact that it is impossible for everyone to make a comment, but it is also unrealistic for 20/2000 to make a comment also.
In conclusion, our activities matters.
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I dont understand why some people are so against mixers. Not all mixers are the same, not all of them are connected with criminals or made only to laundry dirty money. People forgot what cryptocurrency was made for in the beginning. People forgot about anonymity. I am using mixers not to clean my crypto, but because I dont like full transparency, I dont like to be monitored, I feel uncomfortable when there is always someone behind my back watching how I spend. That is I am really happy that we have mixers representatives finally on the forum.
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I dont understand why some people are so against mixers. Not all mixers are the same, not all of them are connected with criminals or made only to laundry dirty money. People forgot what cryptocurrency was made for in the beginning. People forgot about anonymity. I am using mixers not to clean my crypto, but because I dont like full transparency, I dont like to be monitored, I feel uncomfortable when there is always someone behind my back watching how I spend. That is I am really happy that we have mixers representatives finally on the forum.
I guess only few of us in the crypto space still understand the protocols that guides crypto. Privacy, security, decentralization is our major concern in this space. Nobody is actually enjoying how SEC and other agencies are buzzing around, thereby monitoring people's financial life.
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I dont understand why some people are so against mixers. Not all mixers are the same, not all of them are connected with criminals or made only to laundry dirty money. People forgot what cryptocurrency was made for in the beginning. People forgot about anonymity. I am using mixers not to clean my crypto, but because I dont like full transparency, I dont like to be monitored, I feel uncomfortable when there is always someone behind my back watching how I spend. That is I am really happy that we have mixers representatives finally on the forum.
I guess only few of us in the crypto space still understand the protocols that guides crypto. Privacy, security, decentralization is our major concern in this space. Nobody is actually enjoying how SEC and other agencies are buzzing around, thereby monitoring people's financial life.
We all know that not all mixers are without sin. Many of the mixers have committed sins in the eyes of the authorities. And in most cases, even when they do not commit any sin, the government will input the sins on them and shut them down. I do not think that anyone will listen to them when they cry and in most cases, since they have cockroach in their cupboard, they do not cry. I am happy that mixers are here so that I won't want to be looking for them when I want to use them.
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I catch you Icopress...you have been teleported to Altcoinstalks ;D I am first to welcome you.
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I dont understand why some people are so against mixers. Not all mixers are the same, not all of them are connected with criminals or made only to laundry dirty money. People forgot what cryptocurrency was made for in the beginning. People forgot about anonymity. I am using mixers not to clean my crypto, but because I dont like full transparency, I dont like to be monitored, I feel uncomfortable when there is always someone behind my back watching how I spend. That is I am really happy that we have mixers representatives finally on the forum.
Every good idea at some point becomes an opposition to itself. The more massive the use of something, the greater the chances and possibilities for abuse. You have as many examples as you want in real life, mixers are just one more in a series of cases.
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Glad to see you here ;)
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I dont understand why some people are so against mixers.1
Some people..? Or practically, the government or the SEC? The people I assume they don't like Bitcoin mixers are only those who are not Bitcoiners. I can undoubtedly say that more than 80% of Bitcoiners love mixers, although some of them might not have used them.
Obviously, the government is the only person who is greatly opposed to Bitcoin mixers.
Not all mixers are the same, not all of them are connected with criminals or made only to laundry dirty money.2
Yeah, all mixers are never the same, but they run the same service, which is Bitcoin mixing. There are more than 10 existing mixers, and apart from the ones that have been discontinued and short down by the government, you cannot actually tell if the rest have been used in some minor cases for mixing stolen coins. I am not practically saying all have been used for cases of money laundering. I still concur with what you said, but even if some hackers have mixed a stolen coin in a particular mixer, the mixer will not stop the mixing process of such coins.
Most of the time, some dirty (criminal) money passes through the bank and can still go undetected; that's how it could also be with the mixers. For one reason I know, the government is angry because they cannot apply sensor on mixers anyhow they like, and mixers could never make that sensory process possible for the government because their service is to provide privacy.
People forgot what cryptocurrency was made for in the beginning. People forgot about anonymity. I am using mixers not to clean my crypto, but because I dont like full transparency, I dont like to be monitored, I feel uncomfortable when there is always someone behind my back watching how I spend. That is I am really happy that we have mixers representatives finally on the forum.
The government wants transparency and not privacy; they are angry that they can't have all the information they want about investors crypto assets.They are also angry because some criminal activity goes on freely, and that's true, but sometimes there is also some fiat criminal activity that goes on freely too even in the bank.
Crypto, Bitcoin, and mixers are not the only tools used for illegal money cleaning.
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Glad to see you here ;)
I'm here to become the next president of Altcointalk) :)
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I dont understand why some people are so against mixers. Not all mixers are the same, not all of them are connected with criminals or made only to laundry dirty money.
You should rephrase your words! People have nothing against mixers. It is the government and its entity that has the problem against mixers. Have you ever seen an average Joe saying something negative about mixers? I don't know if you have seen one, but I didn't see any of them yet. All I see is theymos decided to ban mixers on Bitcointalk and the government running after the mixer services to shut them down.
People use mixers for their privacy and they will use it till they exist. Some stupid may disagree, but it will be their unpopular own opinion about mixers which I do not count.
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All I see is theymos decided to ban mixers on Bitcointalk and the government running after the mixer services to shut them down.
This was done so that Bitcointalk would continue its work since both the domain and the forum admin are subject to US jurisdiction (not to mention the 1200 bitcoins at the forum’s disposal).
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Glad to see you here ;)
I'm here to become the next president of Altcointalk) :)
Great ambition, I think that's achievable. I'm glad you are here too.
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All I see is theymos decided to ban mixers on Bitcointalk and the government running after the mixer services to shut them down.
This was done so that Bitcointalk would continue its work since both the domain and the forum admin are subject to US jurisdiction (not to mention the 1200 bitcoins at the forum’s disposal).
Yes, I understand that. But the interesting fact is, the forum did not get any requests or any kind of threats, nothing - according to theymos. So, I consider the decision to be precautious. I thought as a Bitcointalk admin, he would care about his privacy. I never knew he was in the USA. It's true that theymos did not answer many personal questions regarding himself. But what makes him reveal his location? Cyrus is Romanian. Can't they transfer the ownership of domain and the hosting to Cyrus? Well, this will be too muck work for him which he won't do just to allow some specific services. But who knows, maybe he will start censoring casinos next, and then DEX. ???
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Yes, I understand that. But the interesting fact is, the forum did not get any requests or any kind of threats, nothing - according to theymos. So, I consider the decision to be precautious.
Once it happens, it's probably too late. The admin saw several seized pages that were quite present and active on the forum, so he decided not to take the slightest risk.
Cyrus is Romanian. Can't they transfer the ownership of domain and the hosting to Cyrus? Well, this will be too muck work for him which he won't do just to allow some specific services.
It's not as simple as it is to write here. Plus, Romania is in the EU, where perhaps the regulations are stricter than in the US.
But who knows, maybe he will start censoring casinos next, and then DEX. ???
More and more regulation of cryptocurrencies is coming, whether we like it or not. In this way, some things change directly, while others will be affected indirectly. Rather, I believe that there will soon be a complete ban on signature campaigns on BTT.
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Yes, I understand that. But the interesting fact is, the forum did not get any requests or any kind of threats, nothing - according to theymos. So, I consider the decision to be precautious.
Once it happens, it's probably too late. The admin saw several seized pages that were quite present and active on the forum, so he decided not to take the slightest risk.
Cyrus is Romanian. Can't they transfer the ownership of domain and the hosting to Cyrus? Well, this will be too muck work for him which he won't do just to allow some specific services.
It's not as simple as it is to write here. Plus, Romania is in the EU, where perhaps the regulations are stricter than in the US.
But who knows, maybe he will start censoring casinos next, and then DEX. ???
More and more regulation of cryptocurrencies is coming, whether we like it or not. In this way, some things change directly, while others will be affected indirectly. Rather, I believe that there will soon be a complete ban on signature campaigns on BTT.
bitcointalk is essential for bitcoin, thus it is important to avoid any threats even if they are not yet materialised.
However, concerning our stance, let me summarise it in this : F governments, wherever they are, whatever form they are!
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I think the best response to this thread is the forum banner. I laughed a lot and thought the same as the admin. If people read the text below the banner they can understand why there should be no problem, it is a disclaimer and that exempts the forum and its owner.
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Glad to see you here ;)
I'm here to become the next president of Altcointalk) :)
You will have to bypass or kill The Sheriff for the position cause it's going to be a rough ride for you buddy
Good to see the Mixtum banner ad above our heads. Answered every doubts about mixer campaign here.
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bitcointalk is essential for bitcoin, thus it is important to avoid any threats even if they are not yet materialised.
This is exactly the path that theymos toed and he explained it his stance but many people insisted that he must have had encounter with the government before he took the drastic decision. Theymos is just being proactive because bitcoin is 1 and its forum is targetable but then altcoins are thousands and maybe the US government cannot come here.
However, concerning our stance, let me summarise it in this : F governments, wherever they are, whatever form they are!
A bolded F word to the controversial government. +1karma
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Well it all depends on the admins and mod, the for itself has all it takes to advertise mixers and even run mixer campaigns here which I believe is already happening. Starting from the 1st of Jan 2024, BTT will officially stop advertising mixers and I believe this forum can take up that responsibility
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bitcointalk is essential for bitcoin, thus it is important to avoid any threats even if they are not yet materialised.
This is exactly the path that theymos toed and he explained it his stance but many people insisted that he must have had encounter with the government before he took the drastic decision. Theymos is just being proactive because bitcoin is 1 and its forum is targetable but then altcoins are thousands and maybe the US government cannot come here.
The path theymos took is 100% right, and i do support him for taking it 100%, even though i am taking another path.
Why?
Because if btt is shot down, it would be a big deal for the btt community and the entire crypto community.
You would say "there are thousands of communities", true but not like btt, it is the original community, and an important part of the ecosystem
as for us or any other crypto community, we are not that essential or critical to the crypto ecosystem. They shot this forum down 10 others would popup.
This said, we would do our best, with our modest means and capabilities to protect and defend BTT whatever way possible (many ideas are brewing, for now nothing tangible).
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We will redirect traffic from search engines here on Altcoinstalks.com ;)
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bitcointalk is essential for bitcoin, thus it is important to avoid any threats even if they are not yet materialised.
This is exactly the path that theymos toed and he explained it his stance but many people insisted that he must have had encounter with the government before he took the drastic decision. Theymos is just being proactive because bitcoin is 1 and its forum is targetable but then altcoins are thousands and maybe the US government cannot come here.
The path theymos took is 100% right, and i do support him for taking it 100%, even though i am taking another path.
Why?
Because if btt is shot down, it would be a big deal for the btt community and the entire crypto community.
You would say "there are thousands of communities", true but not like btt, it is the original community, and an important part of the ecosystem
as for us or any other crypto community, we are not that essential or critical to the crypto ecosystem. They shot this forum down 10 others would popup.
This said, we would do our best, with our modest means and capabilities to protect and defend BTT whatever way possible (many ideas are brewing, for now nothing tangible).
These were my exact words in BTT. You got the whole picture as it ought to be. BTT is a brand that is very well associated with the whole cryptocurrency. A win against BTT is partly a win against Bitcoin. That is why it is important for theymos to protect the forum with all available resources and ideas.
However things may change in the near future, who knows and theymos may still accept mixer back
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However things may change in the near future, who knows and theymos may still accept mixer back
I highly doubt that because theymos is firm with his decision as of now and I don't think that he will ever change his decision. In a statement theymos even stated that the mixers are not allowed even if someone uses url shortener to link those.
Like admin said, this forum is also in favor of Bitcointalk decision because that's the most important place for all Bitcoin and crypto-currency users. Although, this forum is also getting huge attention from crypto-community and I hope it may grow to good levels but still the Bitcointalk will always remain the pioneer forum of the community.
The best thing I have noticed about this forum is that they will continue to accept mixers and mixers will surely start advertising on this forum. 3 good mixers already have their running campaigns on this forum and the 4th one is also advertising via the banner ads. I'm pretty sure that in coming days people would find trusted mixer services on this forum instead of finding them anywhere else.
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These were my exact words in BTT. You got the whole picture as it ought to be. BTT is a brand that is very well associated with the whole cryptocurrency. A win against BTT is partly a win against Bitcoin. That is why it is important for theymos to protect the forum with all available resources and ideas.
However things may change in the near future, who knows and theymos may still accept mixer back
I'm not sure theymos will allow mixers-related advertising again in the future. Until we have more news, we can say that what happened was just a wake-up call for theymos, but if he accepts that type of advertising in the forum again it could be more serious and more dangerous. I just hope that theymos doesn't have problems and that everything stays as it is even if he loses that market niche.
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I'm here to become the next president of Altcointalk) :)
You just came here and you already want to be El Presidente and to replace current president ;)
This was done so that Bitcointalk would continue its work since both the domain and the forum admin are subject to US jurisdiction (not to mention the 1200 bitcoins at the forum’s disposal).[/size]
I heard rumors that Altcointalks forum secretly hold more bitcoins. [/size] 8)
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I'm here to become the next president of Altcointalk) :)
You just came here and you already want to be El Presidente and to replace current president ;)
This was done so that Bitcointalk would continue its work since both the domain and the forum admin are subject to US jurisdiction (not to mention the 1200 bitcoins at the forum’s disposal).[/size]
I heard rumors that Altcointalks forum secretly hold more bitcoins. [/size] 8)
haha ,
you can check the forum wallet: 18stTKwJBL7xFGwVgSCnVZv1wPwHt3n9gQ
we are way below poor, dust poor
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haha ,
you can check the forum wallet: 18stTKwJBL7xFGwVgSCnVZv1wPwHt3n9gQ
we are way below poor, dust poor
It's not to late yet with more legends teleporting, and I see altcoin donation addresses are more active
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More and more regulation of cryptocurrencies is coming, whether we like it or not. In this way, some things change directly, while others will be affected indirectly. Rather, I believe that there will soon be a complete ban on signature campaigns on BTT.
Internet people hate the words Ban and Censoring!
I hope everyone agrees with that. If something is illegal just because the government decided it is illegal, I don't care about it. Illegal is what we also believe is unethical. For example, Bitcoin is not illegal, but a lot of governments banned it. My country's government also banned Bitcoin, and it's illegal there. But in general, do you think Bitcoin is illegal? Law is man-made. We made it for our own benefit. Now, you have to see who is the beneficiary!
There should not be any kind on limit on the Internet. When you are operating a platform that could be illegal in your country, either you should not live there, or you should give it to someone who can control it. I always planned to open an Crypto exchange. But, I didn't because the government banned it. But, If I could move somewhere, I will open one. If Bitcointalk start banning everything, people will look for alternatives.
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I'm here to become the next president of Altcointalk) :)
Glad to see you in this space, Icopress-ident. :)
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I dont understand why some people are so against mixers.1
Some people..? Or practically, the government or the SEC? The people I assume they don't like Bitcoin mixers are only those who are not Bitcoiners. I can undoubtedly say that more than 80% of Bitcoiners love mixers, although some of them might not have used them.
Obviously, the government is the only person who is greatly opposed to Bitcoin mixers.
Let's not be deceived, this government and top agencies also have Bitcoin in their possession. But they clearly see it as a threat when large number of people are beneficiary from it's scheme. They literally want to have control over it, thereby dictating for Bitcoin users in anyway as possible.
Not all mixers are the same, not all of them are connected with criminals or made only to laundry dirty money.2
Yeah, all mixers are never the same, but they run the same service, which is Bitcoin mixing. There are more than 10 existing mixers, and apart from the ones that have been discontinued and short down by the government, you cannot actually tell if the rest have been used in some minor cases for mixing stolen coins. I am not practically saying all have been used for cases of money laundering. I still concur with what you said, but even if some hackers have mixed a stolen coin in a particular mixer, the mixer will not stop the mixing process of such coins.
The whole situation here is that, the sins of few is affecting the majority. Definitely, not all mixers are involved in all these allegations.
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These were my exact words in BTT. You got the whole picture as it ought to be. BTT is a brand that is very well associated with the whole cryptocurrency. A win against BTT is partly a win against Bitcoin. That is why it is important for theymos to protect the forum with all available resources and ideas.
However things may change in the near future, who knows and theymos may still accept mixer back
I'm not sure theymos will allow mixers-related advertising again in the future. Until we have more news, we can say that what happened was just a wake-up call for theymos, but if he accepts that type of advertising in the forum again it could be more serious and more dangerous. I just hope that theymos doesn't have problems and that everything stays as it is even if he loses that market niche.
Bitcointalk is older than AltcoinTalks forum so maybe it is way more preferred by some advertisers and will receive more ads offers than this one. The concern of Theymos was the possible use of mixing services in illegal activities that is why he tried his best to regulate such act and protect the reputation of the forum.
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Bitcointalk is older than AltcoinTalks forum so maybe it is way more preferred by some advertisers and will receive more ads offers than this one.
It doesn't matter which one is older. The advertisers focus on their traffic. Bitcointalk has over 3.5 Million visits each month on average. But I don't know how many visits the Altcoinstalks have yet. The advertisers look for crowded places where the visitors will view their products. So, If altcoinstalks can attract more visitors each month, advertisers would be interested in advertising here as well.
The concern of Theymos was the possible use of mixing services in illegal activities, which is why he tried his best to regulate such acts and protect the forum's reputation.
theymos himself said that he does not think all mixers are related to illegal activities. You cannot blame the entire industry just because of some perticuler mixers. But yeah, whatever was done to save the forum.
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Bitcointalk is older than AltcoinTalks forum so maybe it is way more preferred by some advertisers and will receive more ads offers than this one. The concern of Theymos was the possible use of mixing services in illegal activities that is why he tried his best to regulate such act and protect the reputation of the forum.
As @Learn Bitcoin says in the previous post, what matters to companies is the forum traffic, not the years it has been active. Products must be seen to be sold; Otherwise, no one would be interested. Yes, it's true, BTT has a lot more traffic than Altcoins Talks, but it seems like that is starting to change. When a range of products (mixers) moves to another site and attracts traffic, the rest of the products (whether related to mixers or not) also move.
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OP, you can lock this topic, since it is more than obvious that mixers will be promoted on Altcointalk. It seems to me that everyone, or at least most of them, has moved from the BTT forum.
We have to give them support because it is obvious that they have a significant contribution to the increased activity on this forum.
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it seems like the btctalk forum is already announcing the mixers are not allowed to advertise there. this forum needs to shine and do its work to accommodate them.
We are very thankful for this event in cryptocurrency forums that we hare to find this great forum accommodating us(from that other forums) when mixers needs to say goodbye as for some reasons that needs to be followed so here we are.
Sometimes doors needs to be closed so another windows must be open.
Thanks to Altcoinstalk forun for this and hope this will bring more shine for this humble forum .
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Finally OP questionable about possibility with mixers will advertise in altcoinstalks is answering, have been third of mixer project advertise their campaign here and some of them have start in December and Coinomize start in the early of this month. I am so excited with altcointalk forum because can take chance active here after having campaign of mixer because less of user from side forum active here without any advertise of mixer project.
Likely in the future when having many project advertise here not only mixer but also several project platform like gambling or ICO will make altcointalk more looking by all user and they will active here for longer time.
''Thanks altcointalk forum for great opportunity''.
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So far so good, the ATT forum has been accommodating to new members who teleported their account from the BTT forum to here, just to promote mixers campaigns. Although we don't know what the future holds for the mixer campaigns that will be promoted here. Whether any of them would fall victim or get accused of having anything to do with fraudulent money laundering in them that will result from the admin of this forum taking a drastic decision like Themos of BTT forum, to ban mixer campaigns so as not to get the forum to be shut down because they are promoting mixers that are known for money laundering.
Nevertheless, about four mixer campaigns from the BTT forum are being promoted here. In the future, many may join or not depending on the traffic generated here since there 6666 guests visited this forum because of the mixer campaigns promising to come to this forum to continue their advertisement of the Bitcoin mixer offer.
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Nevertheless, about four mixer campaigns from the BTT forum are being promoted here. In the future, many may join or not depending on the traffic generated here since there 6666 guests visited this forum because of the mixer campaigns promising to come to this forum to continue their advertisement of the Bitcoin mixer offer.
I'm sure more are coming there are a lot of mixers in the mixing industry, and maybe they are observing how good advertising here, and maybe the popular casino will also create a promotion here, this is a good year for altcoin talk I have an account here since 2018 but it's just now that I'm more active here, like all the rest its the additional incentives and also I'm looking for an active community and its good to see all the great managers here like Royse777 and all my co-members from the other forums, familiar names that I am so used to converse in the other forum.
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Well btt already have a massive user base system and they are more uniform then any other crypto platform and forum. So there rules are quite different. Altcointalk on the other hand has different priority.
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Yes, I agree with examplens and I would also say that OP should lock this topic as we already have around 4 mixers that are advertising on this forum and in future we may have more mixers that may advertise their services on this forum.
This forum is getting more active due to the mixers and I hope that mixers will play very important role in growth of this forum and at the same time they have found the best place to advertise their services after Bitcointalk.
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Yes, I agree with examplens and I would also say that OP should lock this topic as we already have around 4 mixers that are advertising on this forum and in future we may have more mixers that may advertise their services on this forum.
That's possible or if this forum becomes more active, then we can expect that even those non-mixer related campaigns can think of starting to use this platform to advertise their websites/companies.
This forum is getting more active due to the mixers and I hope that mixers will play very important role in growth of this forum and at the same time they have found the best place to advertise their services after Bitcointalk.
Indeed, even now we can see the growth, especially in the number of active users every single day. This is the only remaining place to actively promote the mixing companies without having any worries, aside from that, there are also fewer restrictions in this forum, for example, in terms of payment if ever the fee in Bitcoin is high, they can use altcoin to pay the participants.
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Indeed, even now we can see the growth, especially in the number of active users every single day. This is the only remaining place to actively promote the mixing companies without having any worries, aside from that, there are also fewer restrictions in this forum, for example, in terms of payment if ever the fee in Bitcoin is high, they can use altcoin to pay the participants.
[/quote] Agree with you. But we also have to check number in. fewer and fewer actives member are here. and many seniors are not even loing for a long time. needed more community engagement.