Do you think mixers will advertise in altcoinstalks?

[Learn Bitcoin]

Every government will condemn (with more or less excuses) the mixers, they are out of their control.

Not only mixers, but there are many things that won't be controlled. Would they have allowed Bitcoin to grow if they knew how to stop it? It's not like they didn't know. But, the task is impossible. When Bitcoin has less than a hundred active nodes, they could have chased them down if they wanted. But that was a lot of work to do, which was not worth the time they had to spend. People cared about privacy decades ago and used Tor to run their nodes. Now, Bitcoin has more than 15K active nodes. Do you think they would be able to control the Bitcoin network? Fortunately, NO. We needed more people like Julian Assange. We needed more cypherpunks!

Instead, we say "Going against a government isn't the best approach".

[Tribalchief]

it seems like the btctalk forum is already announcing the mixers are not allowed to advertise there.  this forum needs to shine and do its work to accommodate them.

Definitely, I see that happening soonest, but maybe more activities needs to kick start. Engagement needs to be encouraged, because investors loves a busy place. Sometimes, I come across post that gets over 2000 views, but end up getting 20 comments. What happened to the 1980 viewers?, Why do they choose not to comment?. Ok, I agree to the fact that it is impossible for everyone to make a comment, but it is also unrealistic for 20/2000 to make a comment also.

In conclusion, our activities matters.

[bitbit97]

I dont understand why some people are so against mixers. Not all mixers are the same, not all of them are connected with criminals or made only to laundry dirty money. People forgot what cryptocurrency was made for in the beginning. People forgot about anonymity. I am using mixers not to clean my crypto, but because I dont like full transparency, I dont like to be monitored, I feel uncomfortable when there is always someone behind my back watching how I spend. That is I am really happy that we have mixers representatives finally on the forum.

[Tribalchief]

I dont understand why some people are so against mixers. Not all mixers are the same, not all of them are connected with criminals or made only to laundry dirty money. People forgot what cryptocurrency was made for in the beginning. People forgot about anonymity. I am using mixers not to clean my crypto, but because I dont like full transparency, I dont like to be monitored, I feel uncomfortable when there is always someone behind my back watching how I spend. That is I am really happy that we have mixers representatives finally on the forum.

I guess only few of us in the crypto space still understand the protocols that guides crypto. Privacy, security, decentralization is our major concern in this space. Nobody is actually enjoying how SEC and other agencies are buzzing around, thereby monitoring people's financial life.

[icopress]

 

[KingsDen]

I dont understand why some people are so against mixers. Not all mixers are the same, not all of them are connected with criminals or made only to laundry dirty money. People forgot what cryptocurrency was made for in the beginning. People forgot about anonymity. I am using mixers not to clean my crypto, but because I dont like full transparency, I dont like to be monitored, I feel uncomfortable when there is always someone behind my back watching how I spend. That is I am really happy that we have mixers representatives finally on the forum.

I guess only few of us in the crypto space still understand the protocols that guides crypto. Privacy, security, decentralization is our major concern in this space. Nobody is actually enjoying how SEC and other agencies are buzzing around, thereby monitoring people's financial life.

We all know that not all mixers are without sin. Many of the mixers have committed sins in the eyes of the authorities. And in most cases, even when they do not commit any sin, the government will input the sins on them and shut them down. I do not think that anyone will listen to them when they cry and in most cases, since they have cockroach in their cupboard, they do not cry. I am happy that mixers are here so that I won't want to be looking for them when I want to use them.

I catch you Icopress...you have been teleported to Altcoinstalks  I am first to welcome you.

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I dont understand why some people are so against mixers. Not all mixers are the same, not all of them are connected with criminals or made only to laundry dirty money. People forgot what cryptocurrency was made for in the beginning. People forgot about anonymity. I am using mixers not to clean my crypto, but because I dont like full transparency, I dont like to be monitored, I feel uncomfortable when there is always someone behind my back watching how I spend. That is I am really happy that we have mixers representatives finally on the forum.

Every good idea at some point becomes an opposition to itself. The more massive the use of something, the greater the chances and possibilities for abuse. You have as many examples as you want in real life, mixers are just one more in a series of cases.

Glad to see you here 

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

I dont understand why some people are so against mixers.¹

Some people..? Or practically, the government or the SEC? The people I assume they don't like Bitcoin mixers are only those who are not Bitcoiners. I can undoubtedly say that more than 80% of Bitcoiners love mixers, although some of them might not have used them.
Obviously, the government is the only person who is greatly opposed to Bitcoin mixers.

Not all mixers are the same, not all of them are connected with criminals or made only to laundry dirty money.²

Yeah, all mixers are never the same, but they run the same service, which is Bitcoin mixing. There are more than 10 existing mixers, and apart from the ones that have been discontinued and short down by the government, you cannot actually tell if the rest have been used in some minor cases for mixing stolen coins. I am not practically saying all have been used for cases of money laundering. I still concur with what you said, but even if some hackers have mixed a stolen coin in a particular mixer, the mixer will not stop the mixing process of such coins.

 Most of the time, some dirty (criminal) money passes through the bank and can still go undetected; that's how it could also be with the mixers. For one reason I know, the government is angry because they cannot apply sensor on mixers anyhow they like, and mixers could never make that sensory process possible for the government because their service is to provide privacy.

People forgot what cryptocurrency was made for in the beginning. People forgot about anonymity. I am using mixers not to clean my crypto, but because I dont like full transparency, I dont like to be monitored, I feel uncomfortable when there is always someone behind my back watching how I spend. That is I am really happy that we have mixers representatives finally on the forum.

The government wants transparency and not privacy; they are angry that they can't have all the information they want about investors crypto  assets.They are also angry because some criminal activity goes on freely, and that's true, but sometimes there is also some fiat criminal activity that goes on freely too even in the bank.

Crypto, Bitcoin, and mixers are not the only tools used for illegal money cleaning.

[icopress]

Glad to see you here 

I'm here to become the next president of Altcointalk) 

[Learn Bitcoin]

I dont understand why some people are so against mixers. Not all mixers are the same, not all of them are connected with criminals or made only to laundry dirty money.

You should rephrase your words! People have nothing against mixers. It is the government and its entity that has the problem against mixers. Have you ever seen an average Joe saying something negative about mixers? I don't know if you have seen one, but I didn't see any of them yet. All I see is theymos decided to ban mixers on Bitcointalk and the government running after the mixer services to shut them down.

People use mixers for their privacy and they will use it till they exist. Some stupid may disagree, but it will be their unpopular own opinion about mixers which I do not count.

[icopress]

All I see is theymos decided to ban mixers on Bitcointalk and the government running after the mixer services to shut them down.

This was done so that Bitcointalk would continue its work since both the domain and the forum admin are subject to US jurisdiction (not to mention the 1200 bitcoins at the forum’s disposal).

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

Glad to see you here 

I'm here to become the next president of Altcointalk) 

Great ambition, I think that's achievable. I'm glad you are here too.

[Learn Bitcoin]

All I see is theymos decided to ban mixers on Bitcointalk and the government running after the mixer services to shut them down.

This was done so that Bitcointalk would continue its work since both the domain and the forum admin are subject to US jurisdiction (not to mention the 1200 bitcoins at the forum’s disposal).

Yes, I understand that. But the interesting fact is, the forum did not get any requests or any kind of threats, nothing - according to theymos. So, I consider the decision to be precautious. I thought as a Bitcointalk admin, he would care about his privacy. I never knew he was in the USA. It's true that theymos did not answer many personal questions regarding himself. But what makes him reveal his location? Cyrus is Romanian. Can't they transfer the ownership of domain and the hosting to Cyrus? Well, this will be too muck work for him which he won't do just to allow some specific services. But who knows, maybe he will start censoring casinos next, and then DEX. 

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Yes, I understand that. But the interesting fact is, the forum did not get any requests or any kind of threats, nothing - according to theymos. So, I consider the decision to be precautious.

Once it happens, it's probably too late. The admin saw several seized pages that were quite present and active on the forum, so he decided not to take the slightest risk.

Cyrus is Romanian. Can't they transfer the ownership of domain and the hosting to Cyrus? Well, this will be too muck work for him which he won't do just to allow some specific services.

It's not as simple as it is to write here. Plus, Romania is in the EU, where perhaps the regulations are stricter than in the US.

But who knows, maybe he will start censoring casinos next, and then DEX. 

More and more regulation of cryptocurrencies is coming, whether we like it or not. In this way, some things change directly, while others will be affected indirectly. Rather, I believe that there will soon be a complete ban on signature campaigns on BTT.

[admin]

Yes, I understand that. But the interesting fact is, the forum did not get any requests or any kind of threats, nothing - according to theymos. So, I consider the decision to be precautious.

Once it happens, it's probably too late. The admin saw several seized pages that were quite present and active on the forum, so he decided not to take the slightest risk.

Cyrus is Romanian. Can't they transfer the ownership of domain and the hosting to Cyrus? Well, this will be too muck work for him which he won't do just to allow some specific services.

It's not as simple as it is to write here. Plus, Romania is in the EU, where perhaps the regulations are stricter than in the US.

But who knows, maybe he will start censoring casinos next, and then DEX. 

More and more regulation of cryptocurrencies is coming, whether we like it or not. In this way, some things change directly, while others will be affected indirectly. Rather, I believe that there will soon be a complete ban on signature campaigns on BTT.

bitcointalk is essential for bitcoin, thus it is important to avoid any threats even if they are not yet materialised.

However, concerning our stance, let me summarise it in this : F governments, wherever they are, whatever form they are!