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Title: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Learn Bitcoin on January 10, 2024, 05:58:23 PM
Hi there.

I am sorry if there were similar threads or if it has been answered before. But, I have asked the question somewhere else and I didn't get the answer. I guess the admin or the president didn't see that. I would like to ask again if AI-generated content should be allowed or not. Generating content with AI and Copy pasting posts from other sources (Which is plagiarism) should be the similar (if not same) offense and they should be punished. I would like to hear the community feedback and comments from admin or officials would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: salad daging on January 10, 2024, 06:30:57 PM
Generating AI content is actually fine as long as it is for article content, whereas posting content in forums with AI posts is bad behavior and should not be imitated by anyone. Every discussion must produce posts from your own thoughts, not the result of AI bots.

I think it's clear there are altcoinstalks forum rules here: Forum Rules (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=3171.0)
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: bayu7adi on January 10, 2024, 08:28:24 PM
I think everyone here agrees that AI generated text shouldn't be here . Forum discussions are like sharing unique ideas or views from each member, and original posts are more appreciated everywhere. Each person has different skills, and that's what makes forum discussions unique.

The essence of discussions is to yield positive results, and usually, bots and AI don't have as good a sense as humans do.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Freemind on January 10, 2024, 10:01:36 PM
This post from @Jokers makes it pretty clear how the AI ​​path was decided on the forum. AI is not difficult to detect and will be punished as plagiarism, since an AI bot could never have the ability to give an opinion like a real user. If the official forum rules post is not already up to date, it will be as soon as the administrator has time.

⚠️ Publishing text written by an AI bot is a type of plagiarism. Anyone who is interested in the bot’s opinion can ask the bot a question himself, so there is no need to publish the bot’s texts on the forum.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: notblox1 on January 10, 2024, 11:37:37 PM
No I dont think AI generated post should be allowed in this forum, but there is nothing much we can do except to report them to moderators.
I dont think people take it so seriously here because they can pay it off easy with tokens and reputation and make everything disappear  ;D
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: PX-Z on January 10, 2024, 11:59:24 PM
Especially for users who were accepted on paid signature campaigns, it's a mortal sin.
Well, if the post is interesting like facts and not just a full clear copy paste from an AI without any modifications or anything is added then it's clearly a plagiarism and its bannable in any forum.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Jokers on January 11, 2024, 01:41:26 AM
I dont think people take it so seriously here because they can pay it off easy with tokens and reputation and make everything disappear  ;D

I don't recommend anyone to test this theory in practice. When you just came to the forum it can seem that if we are a friendly forum and believe in a second chance it means also that everything can disappear from the history and everyone can get as many second chances as he wants. It's not so, the second chance is given to improve the behavior and not to keep breaking the rules endlessly. User account has its history, better to keep it clean.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Learn Bitcoin on January 11, 2024, 11:00:51 AM
I think it's clear there are altcoinstalks forum rules here: Forum Rules (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=3171.0)

I don't understand what you mean by it's clear. The forum rules do not say anything about AI posting and that is why I have created this thread. I do not agree with you that it is good to create a article with a AI. You might have a different point of view. But, I do not support it.

This post from @Jokers makes it pretty clear how the AI ​​path was decided on the forum. AI is not difficult to detect and will be punished as plagiarism, since an AI bot could never have the ability to give an opinion like a real user. If the official forum rules post is not already up to date, it will be as soon as the administrator has time.

⚠️ Publishing text written by an AI bot is a type of plagiarism. Anyone who is interested in the bot’s opinion can ask the bot a question himself, so there is no need to publish the bot’s texts on the forum.

Thank you. Can I start reporting posts that are created using AI? to gather the proof, we need a thread where we can put some evidence that the post was created using AI. If you allow, I would love to create a thread first and then we may start reporting AI spams.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Yamane_Keto on January 11, 2024, 05:12:38 PM
The content and results of AI are collected from open source texts or data provided to deep learning algorithms, and the result in the end is closer to plagiarism.

If you wear a paid signature, then using artificial intelligence is cheating. Otherwise, why would you paied? Isn’t it easier for signature to create dozens of bots account and spam? If they do that, all of us will leave the forum, so who will click on the signatures?

If you are not wearing a paid signature, you do not need such spam.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: SamReomo on January 11, 2024, 07:58:02 PM
I think that AI generated posts should not be allowed if they're mainly posted to increase someone's rank. Most people want to rank up faster and for that reason they try to take some help from AI text generators, and as a result they keep posting AI generated texts which is a type of spamming I guess.

AI generators can easily create text for those users but such text are easily detected by AI text detectors. Even, if someone polishes their own text from the AI test generators to fix the grammatical issues then again such texts will be detected as AI generated content.

Now, the signature campaigns are running on this forum and it's better to have some rule against AI generated text so the ones who put effort in making posts won't get disheartened and the ones who use basically AI generated posts will understand that if they continue their behavior then they won't be suitable for signature campaigns.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Freemind on January 11, 2024, 08:44:35 PM
I think that AI generated posts should not be allowed if they're mainly posted to increase someone's rank. Most people want to rank up faster and for that reason they try to take some help from AI text generators, and as a result they keep posting AI generated texts which is a type of spamming I guess.

AI generators can easily create text for those users but such text are easily detected by AI text detectors. Even, if someone polishes their own text from the AI test generators to fix the grammatical issues then again such texts will be detected as AI generated content.

Now, the signature campaigns are running on this forum and it's better to have some rule against AI generated text so the ones who put effort in making posts won't get disheartened and the ones who use basically AI generated posts will understand that if they continue their behavior then they won't be suitable for signature campaigns.

The rules regarding AI-generated posts are very clear. Of course, there will be users who still want to use AI for posts, but they will be punished as these rules indicate. What this forum does not need are meaningless "conversations" between users, which do not generate trust either in new users or in projects that want to use the forum as a platform to publicize their products. It is not difficult to detect AI-generated posts; It's actually much simpler than people think.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: notblox1 on January 11, 2024, 10:50:01 PM
I don't recommend anyone to test this theory in practice.
I dont plan to test it but this is not a theory.
I saw one high ranked member from this forum getting reported for plagiarism, than he was asked to pay with karma and tokens I think, and case closed.
If we had to pay 1 dollar for speeding tickets nobody would care about them.
Using AI is like plagiarism.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Hatchy on January 11, 2024, 10:55:56 PM
Hi there.

I am sorry if there were similar threads or if it has been answered before. But, I have asked the question somewhere else and I didn't get the answer. I guess the admin or the president didn't see that. I would like to ask again if AI-generated content should be allowed or not. Generating content with AI and Copy pasting posts from other sources (Which is plagiarism) should be the similar (if not same) offense and they should be punished. I would like to hear the community feedback and comments from admin or officials would be appreciated.
Ai contents are not acceptable any where mate. I find people who use AI as weak and lazy individuals with low writing experiences. Yes there might be some use of the ai such as researching or rephrasing but creating a whole thread or topic using AI is considered I'll and if being caught should be punished. I really don't know how the punishment for offenders is on this forum but I'm hoping that there's something like that here.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Asiska02 on January 12, 2024, 10:37:35 AM
AI generated contents shouldn’t be allowed here. Here is a forum that needs honest opinions from users and not place to pass off other people’s work, it becomes detrimental to the discussion of the forum. True and honest opinion are the most regarded when giving a verdict on a subject matter. If anyone wants to get answers from the internet always, a place called forum wouldn’t have existed and everyone will be off there searching for answers to questions about cryptocurrency or what we mostly discuss in this forum. Not for any reason AI post should be allowed, it is totally weird and absurd to do. For any reason that such post should be here, citation and reference should be given to where accord and not a line to line word as some people does and reference it.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Gladitorcomeback on January 12, 2024, 11:12:32 AM
Hi there.

I am sorry if there were similar threads or if it has been answered before. But, I have asked the question somewhere else and I didn't get the answer. I guess the admin or the president didn't see that. I would like to ask again if AI-generated content should be allowed or not. Generating content with AI and Copy pasting posts from other sources (Which is plagiarism) should be the similar (if not same) offense and they should be punished. I would like to hear the community feedback and comments from admin or officials would be appreciated.

Ai content will completely fill this forum with spamming. We should ask yourself why this forum is created and what is the goal. If AI content allow then isn't it will be better to migrate this forum to blog instead of forum where real opinions, crcitism, health discussion make you able to learn many new things and you will be aware of mistake that you have done in the past.

AI chat will just gives information according to pre fixed data which sometimes doesn't properly according to topics. There are so many disadvantage and so think Admin should add AI spammer badge for users creating AI generated post
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Learn Bitcoin on January 12, 2024, 04:11:39 PM
If we had to pay 1 dollar for speeding tickets nobody would care about them.

++ True. I agree with that. The minimum penalty should start from $10 and increase depending on how bad the case is. Otherwise, people won't care about it.

Ai contents are not acceptable any where mate. I find people who use AI as weak and lazy individuals with low writing experiences. Yes there might be some use of the ai such as researching or rephrasing but creating a whole thread or topic using AI is considered I'll and if being caught should be punished. I really don't know how the punishment for offenders is on this forum but I'm hoping that there's something like that here.

We know that. But there are no rules in the forum rules regarding AI posting. But, Jokers have said something about it. So, I will start reporting AI posts. I have seen a couple of AI generated content in this forum. But I didn't reported them because of the rules.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Jokers on January 12, 2024, 06:23:07 PM
I don't recommend anyone to test this theory in practice.
I dont plan to test it but this is not a theory.
I saw one high ranked member from this forum getting reported for plagiarism, than he was asked to pay with karma and tokens I think, and case closed.
If we had to pay 1 dollar for speeding tickets nobody would care about them.
Using AI is like plagiarism.

You saw some single case and made far-reaching conclusions, making a theory of how the things are going on. You have critically insufficient incoming data to form a holistic picture. If we'd never been making more strict actions there'd been a hordes of spammers and other sort violators.

Don't mislead others confusing a second chance and permissiveness, it's not the same. Symbolic token payment is not an indulgence for violations for everyone by default.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: notblox1 on January 12, 2024, 07:07:07 PM
You saw some single case and made far-reaching conclusions, making a theory of how the things are going on. You have critically insufficient incoming data to form a holistic picture. If we'd never been making more strict actions there'd been a hordes of spammers and other sort violators.
What is up with you and theories?  ;D
I was stating real life example that happened, that is total opposite of theory.
And yes I dont know what will happen in future, but I can visit board with similar topics and see all cases that happen in past.
Be ready to hear for some criticism from me, it is much healthier for everyone, than to always say nice things and agree with everything.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Jokers on January 12, 2024, 07:18:44 PM
Be ready to hear for some criticism from me, it is much healthier for everyone, than to always say nice things and agree with everything.

Criticizing is not a problem, the problem is that the way you state your ideas can mislead others and they'll face much more unpleasant penalties than can expect. And I have to warn others against following your words.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: robelneo on January 13, 2024, 02:55:48 PM
No forum should allow AI-generated content if there are active posters on the forum, there's a probability that the AI content could beat the post quality of posters, this is a community discussion platform and it should all be human-generated responses subject to errors and correction, that makes a forum great.
It's not good to see an AI-dominated community because it will become a battle of who's the better AI to come with a perfect answer, our visitors are human so the forum behavior should be human-related and not generic AI.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: LDL on January 15, 2024, 06:24:06 AM
Hi there.

I am sorry if there were similar threads or if it has been answered before. But, I have asked the question somewhere else and I didn't get the answer. I guess the admin or the president didn't see that. I would like to ask again if AI-generated content should be allowed or not. Generating content with AI and Copy pasting posts from other sources (Which is plagiarism) should be the similar (if not same) offense and they should be punished. I would like to hear the community feedback and comments from admin or officials would be appreciated.
Copy pasting or artificially intelligent posts are generally punishable by law here and artificially intelligent posts will not be accepted here either. Just as AI posts are not acceptable on Bitcoin forums, artificial intelligence posts are not acceptable on Altcoin forums either. All signature managers here have completely banned artificial intelligence posts.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Learn Bitcoin on January 15, 2024, 05:04:36 PM
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Hi. I had offered something. Would you mind creating a thread like Report AI generated post here with proof? Because if we report AI generated post by using Report to moderator button, the mod has to check it with a tool and take a decision which may take a lot of time.

If you create a thread where we would be able to report them and we will include the link to the report in the description so the mod can check the result. Just like nutildah's thread on Bitcointalk. I would love to clear some AI shit posters.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Jokers on January 15, 2024, 05:34:44 PM
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Hi. I had offered something. Would you mind creating a thread like Report AI generated post here with proof? Because if we report AI generated post by using Report to moderator button, the mod has to check it with a tool and take a decision which may take a lot of time.

If you create a thread where we would be able to report them and we will include the link to the report in the description so the mod can check the result. Just like nutildah's thread on Bitcointalk. I would love to clear some AI shit posters.

I guess only admin and Decentralized Team section moderators can open topics there. So we need to wait for admin's decision. If it will be needed, I can write a text and draw up the topic, but I can't open it there as for now.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Freemind on January 15, 2024, 09:49:35 PM
What is up with you and theories?  ;D
I was stating real life example that happened, that is total opposite of theory.
And yes I dont know what will happen in future, but I can visit board with similar topics and see all cases that happen in past.
Be ready to hear for some criticism from me, it is much healthier for everyone, than to always say nice things and agree with everything.

I don't know what others think, but for me such criticisms are not a problem, on the contrary, they seem necessary to me. But what we cannot allow is the use of AI in the forum. Imagine a forum in which all "users" used AI for their posts. I think that if that were allowed, that forum would be chaos in a very short time, with meaningless conversations and topics that have nothing to do with the forum. What makes a forum a community is the interaction between users, and that, fortunately, is something that no AI will ever be able to do.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: KingsDen on January 15, 2024, 11:58:21 PM
If AI posts are allowed here, we could wake one day and discover that bots are interacting with their fellow bots in the forum.

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Hi. I had offered something. Would you mind creating a thread like Report AI generated post here with proof? Because if we report AI generated post by using Report to moderator button, the mod has to check it with a tool and take a decision which may take a lot of time.

Are there reliable tools to check plagerism now? The last time I checked, those tools were all faulty and they could possibly categorise a human written text as AI generated.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: BitMaxz on January 16, 2024, 12:51:25 AM
Are there reliable tools to check plagerism now? The last time I checked, those tools were all faulty and they could possibly categorise a human written text as AI-generated.
There are many tools to check plagiarism for free and they work well.
I don't know how it didn't work for you but by checking the text manually and pasting them to a plagiarism checker like Grammarly or Quillbot they are working fine.
And ai generated checkers is not 100% accurate better report it to mods to manually check and let them decide.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Bitcoin_people on January 16, 2024, 03:11:20 AM
It is not good behavior for us to post AI generated posts as we have seen such posts on the Bitcointalk forum get an account banned. We think plagiarism and AI are the same thing, so posting a generation like this doesn't bode well. Although as per the rules of this forum AI posting rules can be done but I think if such rules remain true AI post rules are likely to stop soon.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Gladitorcomeback on January 16, 2024, 12:00:17 PM
It is not good behavior for us to post AI generated posts as we have seen such posts on the Bitcointalk forum get an account banned. We think plagiarism and AI are the same thing, so posting a generation like this doesn't bode well. Although as per the rules of this forum AI posting rules can be done but I think if such rules remain true AI post rules are likely to stop soon.

Bitcointalk never banned any account only for AI case unless any post catch for plagiarism or sharing obvious scam link. Indeed AI post couldn't be labeled direct plagiarism but we can say that that AI users is so lazy so he is not replying byself and just spamming. AI chat will generate text from text you provide which is partially own idea. Bitcointalk DT member first gives neutral tag and any member continues than he got negative but if he caught with AI with wearing signature than definitely he will get negative without any chance.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Jokers on January 16, 2024, 04:01:33 PM
Are there reliable tools to check plagerism now? The last time I checked, those tools were all faulty and they could possibly categorise a human written text as AI generated.

There is a combination of different methods which can give a reliable enough result.

Bitcointalk never banned any account only for AI case unless any post catch for plagiarism or sharing obvious scam link.

This information is outdated. There are users banned for AI usage on BTT who have no other violations. Not all are banned, but some are banned already.

But here we have our own view on the situation and BTT practice is not determinant.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: SamReomo on January 16, 2024, 04:37:59 PM
The rules regarding AI-generated posts are very clear. Of course, there will be users who still want to use AI for posts, but they will be punished as these rules indicate. What this forum does not need are meaningless "conversations" between users, which do not generate trust either in new users or in projects that want to use the forum as a platform to publicize their products. It is not difficult to detect AI-generated posts; It's actually much simpler than people think.
It's nice to hear that users who may use AI to grow their accounts will get punished for the act. Yeah, I agree a forum like this one would never want to have meaningless conversations between users and the posts that are created with AI are totally meaningless or somehow a type of plagiarism.

I agree with you that these days it's much easy for smart people to understand that either a post is created by AI or by a user. AI mostly follows the same patterns which it has been trained for and now most of us can detect AI text just by reading it a little. And, there are also some good AI text detectors that help us a lot in detecting AI generated texts.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Learn Bitcoin on January 16, 2024, 05:14:43 PM
Are there reliable tools to check plagerism now? The last time I checked, those tools were all faulty and they could possibly categorise a human written text as AI generated.

To check plagiarism, I always use https://www.duplichecker.com/ and it works well for me. I have reported some plagiarism on Bitcointalk and here too. I hope you will find it useful. But, when you check plagiarism, make sure to check who is the main author and the creation date of the topic and the source too.

As you know, Plagiarism and AI-generated posts aren't the same. Even though some AI copy the sources from the internet. To check AI generated posts, I use https://copyleaks.com/ai-content-detector remember, sometimes It can I've you false positive.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Aanuoluwatofunmi on January 16, 2024, 07:58:25 PM
Why is it that some find it so interesting in using AI to make posts, as for me, I see it as being synonymous to plagiarism because the original content is not something coming from one's personal efforts, instead it was copied from a bot, to an extent I expected the forum to go against the use of this, but if not, some of the signature campaigns here may not allow for that because they understand they can't pay for what others are posting which are not genuine but rather, a copy and paste from a bot called AI.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Freemind on January 16, 2024, 08:43:19 PM
Why is it that some find it so interesting in using AI to make posts, as for me, I see it as being synonymous to plagiarism because the original content is not something coming from one's personal efforts, instead it was copied from a bot, to an extent I expected the forum to go against the use of this, but if not, some of the signature campaigns here may not allow for that because they understand they can't pay for what others are posting which are not genuine but rather, a copy and paste from a bot called AI.

Some users may find it interesting to use AI bots for the simple fact that they do not have to put in the effort to reason out an answer and establish a conversation. As we have already said, these types of posts are not allowed on this forum. People talking to people. If a user is not willing to follow the rules, they have 2 options: change their mind and reason with their own posts or leave the forum.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: bayu7adi on January 16, 2024, 10:20:45 PM
Why is it that some find it so interesting in using AI to make posts, as for me, I see it as being synonymous to plagiarism because the original content is not something coming from one's personal efforts, instead it was copied from a bot, to an extent I expected the forum to go against the use of this, but if not, some of the signature campaigns here may not allow for that because they understand they can't pay for what others are posting which are not genuine but rather, a copy and paste from a bot called AI.
Producing content with AI makes discussions stiffer and other people even think that it is not a two-way discussion, but like a discussion alone. As long as a signature campaign requires a progressive impact, campaign participants must also have the qualities to support this. I also really agree that original content has more value than copy paste content.

The punishment for those who use Bots or AI to produce content and copy it as posts on this forum, I think it is enough to give them a bad badge to mark them. That also reflects reputation, right?
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: yahoo62278 on January 16, 2024, 11:01:02 PM
I personally am not a fan of AI when making posts. You're basically saying to a user, it's ok to not have your own thoughts, it's ok to not think for yourself. You can or should research a subject you want to post about or use grammar tools, but letting a bot make your post for you is total bullshit IMO.

Eventually they're going to figure out how to make a bot post period and stop hiring you folks to post. Think about that before you outsource yourselves out of a job.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Jamal Aezaz on January 17, 2024, 07:54:52 AM
Hi there.

I am sorry if there were similar threads or if it has been answered before. But, I have asked the question somewhere else and I didn't get the answer. I guess the admin or the president didn't see that. I would like to ask again if AI-generated content should be allowed or not. Generating content with AI and Copy pasting posts from other sources (Which is plagiarism) should be the similar (if not same) offense and they should be punished. I would like to hear the community feedback and comments from admin or officials would be appreciated.
This is mainly a discussion forum. i don't see any point of using AI to make posts because posts are mostly people's personal opinions or talking in different discussions. asking AI to write a reply to a post is simply dumb.
Using AI creating contents, articles, blogposts or even video content still make sense. but using AI for talking to another persons? nah. I would not support that.
Maybe you can use AI to fix your spelling and grammer mistakes. but no more than that.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Jokers on January 17, 2024, 01:08:08 PM
Maybe you can use AI to fix your spelling and grammer mistakes. but no more than that.

You can fix your grammar mistakes with services like Grammarly or the same. The chance of your text being detected as AI written with Grammarly doesn't increase and with AI usage does. So I don't recommend using AI for any post improvements on forums.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Learn Bitcoin on January 17, 2024, 02:12:49 PM
Why is it that some find it so interesting in using AI to make posts, as for me, I see it as being synonymous to plagiarism because the original content is not something coming from one's personal efforts, instead it was copied from a bot, to an extent I expected the forum to go against the use of this, but if not, some of the signature campaigns here may not allow for that because they understand they can't pay for what others are posting which are not genuine but rather, a copy and paste from a bot called AI.

It's simple bro. There are a lot of users who have more than one account and they have to write many posts for their signature campaign requirement. Now, if they want to write posts for their many accounts, they have to spend a couple of hours writing these posts. Instead, they use AI to write posts so they can generate more than ten posts within a couple of minutes.

Another reason is, that a person has to read the thread and replies to understand what is going on in a thread and they need time to write a constructive post. They use AI instead to generate a response to a post so they don't need to spend time on it.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: bitterguy28 on January 17, 2024, 02:17:45 PM
I think everyone here agrees that AI generated text shouldn't be here . Forum discussions are like sharing unique ideas or views from each member, and original posts are more appreciated everywhere. Each person has different skills, and that's what makes forum discussions unique.

The essence of discussions is to yield positive results, and usually, bots and AI don't have as good a sense as humans do.
Indeed  , what is the sense of us human being here when AI will be generated the posting , I mean what is the purpose of having accounts here to discuss things and share our knowledge and understanding when there are someone that will just take the idea over computers?

if that is the case then we should not be here and let the AI manage and runs this community .
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Freemind on January 17, 2024, 08:52:17 PM
Indeed  , what is the sense of us human being here when AI will be generated the posting , I mean what is the purpose of having accounts here to discuss things and share our knowledge and understanding when there are someone that will just take the idea over computers?

if that is the case then we should not be here and let the AI manage and runs this community .

I could be wrong, but I think the purpose of these accounts (user accounts that use AI to generate posts) would be to simply use them for signature bounties. I think it would be convenient to propose to the administrator an avatar for users who use this type of tricks, that way the bounty managers could quickly identify them and not accept them in the campaigns, that way legitimate users would have the respect and the place that corresponds to them.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: kulkhan on January 17, 2024, 11:03:30 PM
We know Al post created by bot. So it is not granted every where. Because AI has not own sense as like human being. It's like automated post, it consider as plagiarism. So i am not with AI post and i don support it. I always suggest everyone to creat own post which will by sense. We should avoid this AI generated post.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: SamReomo on January 18, 2024, 04:58:36 PM
I think everyone here agrees that AI generated text shouldn't be here . Forum discussions are like sharing unique ideas or views from each member, and original posts are more appreciated everywhere. Each person has different skills, and that's what makes forum discussions unique.

The essence of discussions is to yield positive results, and usually, bots and AI don't have as good a sense as humans do.
Yeah, I highly agree with you and whatever you said is 100% accurate. In a forum like this we as humans discuss with each other and share our ideas and opinions, and knowledge about the things that we are good at.

AI isn't a human and it doesn't have any emotions and that's why whatever response it generates will purely be non-emotional and no sentimental. What could be the benefit of posts that are generated by an AI that's emotionless? I guess no benefits at all, and sometimes the AI gives fake information as well.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Learn Bitcoin on January 19, 2024, 10:52:49 AM
AI isn't a human and it doesn't have any emotions and that's why whatever response it generates will purely be non-emotional and no sentimental. What could be the benefit of posts that are generated by an AI that's emotionless? I guess no benefits at all, and sometimes the AI gives fake information as well.

Forget about emotions. Even if a person without emotion writes something informative, it's okay. But it's something about ethics as well. People copy pasting AI-generated content as their own. They pretend like they have written that on their own which is not true. It is similar to plagiarism. These posts add nothing special.

However, these AI bots often generate wrong information. I remember one of my shit poster country mates who used to use this AI to generate content. People were discussing about Bitcoin wallet in a Bitcointalk thread, and you will be surprised to hear how stupid he is. He gave a suggestion like they should wash their wallets to keep them clean. LOL.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: BitMaxz on January 19, 2024, 04:03:03 PM
It's nice to hear that users who may use AI to grow their accounts will get punished for the act. Yeah, I agree a forum like this one would never want to have meaningless conversations between users and the posts that are created with AI are totally meaningless or somehow a type of plagiarism.


Not only that this forum will also be affected if most of the posts here are AI-generated and plagiarism it would affect the rankings on the SERP because if Google found out that most of the posts here on the forum are AI this forum might suffer and Google might deindex most of the posts.

Also sometimes AI-generated gives wrong information if someone keeps posting an AI-generated without removing those posts it might cause some confusion to those who read it. So those posts should be reported right away to mods to keep this forum clean from AI and plagiarism.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Learn Bitcoin on January 20, 2024, 03:16:09 PM
Not only that this forum will also be affected if most of the posts here are AI-generated and plagiarism it would affect the rankings on the SERP because if Google found out that most of the posts here on the forum are AI this forum might suffer and Google might deindex most of the posts.

I remember a forum named Bitcoingarden or something. I am not sure if I should call it as forum or a news site. That website is full of plagiarism and 99% of its content is posted on the BitcoinTalk press release section. But, I don't know if google or other search engines take any action against them or not. They are running their website well.

The website owner should do something on their own. Instead, they are paying to some spammer to collect news from other websites and post them on their own website without giving any credits and without doing any modification in the original text. How about that?
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: ZAINmalik75 on January 20, 2024, 05:30:12 PM
I would like to ask again if AI-generated content should be allowed or not. Generating content with AI and Copy pasting posts from other sources (Which is plagiarism) should be the similar (if not same) offense and they should be punished. I would like to hear the community feedback and comments from admin or officials would be appreciated.
So far, from what I have learnt is, we can not plagiarize here and using AI to make posts and publishing here also comes under plagiarism so I doubt AI is allowed here. And considering the BTT rules I can say we should not practice to share AI generated posts here. And what need is there for us to share AI generated posts. We can make our own posts in a matter of minutes. I mean I can write a post in less then 10 minutes considering the post is general and not related to any news.

I recommend you to read this section so you could get better idea about the badges, from which to avoid and which to get. https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=184767.0 If I am not wrong you are the one who mentioned this link in another section, Am I right?

Other than this, creating AI generated posts seems like a spam, because we are not putting our own efforts into the post.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on January 20, 2024, 09:29:26 PM
In my opinion, AI-generated comments or topics should not be allowed on this platform, because if they are, then there will be a lot of users who will make it a tradition to only publish AI contents here instead of thinking critically and producing a real idea and suggestion. Using AI to create posts is the same as plagiarism because it is not the original idea of the user who published it.

Someone said before that if any user actually needed an opinion or answer to a question, they should have asked an AI tool, but because they needed human ideas, they decided to seek human ideas and suggestions. So, it will not be wise to use AI instead.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: masudginanjar on January 21, 2024, 06:14:30 AM
We are humans who are in the Altcoinstalks forum and create interesting discussions for all members.
AI or whatever is like the robot does not need to make a post or discussion at the Altcoinstalks forum because it will only be an incomplete spectacle.

Anyway, what are the advantages for us if we have to use AI?
Make it easier or is we "lazy to discuss" in the Altcoinstalks forum?
If the answer is "lazy" to discuss in the Altconstalks forum, so just rest or do not need this log anymore, we are really humans who discuss each other.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Freemind on January 21, 2024, 08:10:04 AM
So that all the people who post in this thread get an idea of ​​what is happening, and see more clearly the problem that would be allowing posts generated by AI, I am going to put a screenshot of a post that I deleted yesterday.

(https://i.ibb.co/CWRCrjN/AI.png) (https://ibb.co/9GQKMxz)

Do you see what the forum would become if we allowed AI generated posts?. I don't think it's necessary to say much more. That "user" didn't even bother to delete some parts of the text to "hide" the use of GPT or a similar bot.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: SamReomo on January 21, 2024, 08:27:05 AM
Do you see what the forum would become if we allowed AI generated posts?. I don't think it's necessary to say much more. That "user" didn't even bother to delete some parts of the text to "hide" the use of GPT or a similar bot.
Yes, such users don't really care much about the GPT or other bot generated texts because they just want to increase their posts and nothing else. I think it's better to create a thread where users can report all such posts that were generated with the help of AI text generators.

There is a thread in Bitcointalk forum to report such posts and I think a similar thread should be created here so users can find and report all those posts that were generated with AI text generators.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Learn Bitcoin on January 21, 2024, 11:04:21 AM
There is a thread in Bitcointalk forum to report such posts and I think a similar thread should be created here so users can find and report all those posts that were generated with AI text generators.

I have suggested the same thing and asked one of the mods if he could create a thread like this. But, as he said, we should wait for the admin to come up and create a thread about it. Or, at least he needs the permission from admin to create such a thread. I don't know why it's taking soo long. Probably the admin wasn't informed about it or maybe he has more important tasks to do. I have reported a couple of posts already but I don't know if they were removed or not. Moreover, our local moderator is inactive for over a year now. So, I assume there are no one to handle those mess created by shitposters.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Freemind on January 21, 2024, 11:25:56 AM
Yes, such users don't really care much about the GPT or other bot generated texts because they just want to increase their posts and nothing else. I think it's better to create a thread where users can report all such posts that were generated with the help of AI text generators.

There is a thread in Bitcointalk forum to report such posts and I think a similar thread should be created here so users can find and report all those posts that were generated with AI text generators.

While the administrator creates the new section to report posts generated with AI, users can always send a PM to a mod and those who can, give negative karma to that user, we will act as quickly as possible.

I have suggested the same thing and asked one of the mods if he could create a thread like this. But, as he said, we should wait for the admin to come up and create a thread about it. Or, at least he needs the permission from admin to create such a thread. I don't know why it's taking soo long. Probably the admin wasn't informed about it or maybe he has more important tasks to do. I have reported a couple of posts already but I don't know if they were removed or not. Moreover, our local moderator is inactive for over a year now. So, I assume there are no one to handle those mess created by shitposters.

It's true that there are some inactive moderators, but some of us are still here doing things the best we can. As for how long the administrator will take, I have no answer, what I do know is that he has a lot of work ahead of him and a list of priorities.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Learn Bitcoin on January 21, 2024, 01:24:39 PM
It's true that there are some inactive moderators, but some of us are still here doing things the best we can. As for how long the administrator will take, I have no answer, what I do know is that he has a lot of work ahead of him and a list of priorities.

It will be hard for global mods and other moderators to handle local reports. You may not understand what are they talking about due to the language barrier. We cannot rely on google translator. FYI, I have applied to be a Local moderator but I didn't get any response yet. I guess it is the president and Vice president who hire moderators. I didn't get any positive or negative feedback about my application. But I would be glad to work if you guys need a guy from my locals. About development works, I do not want to send Private messages and bother them. Since they have the priority list, they will have to follow them for sure. We should be more patient instead.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: SamReomo on January 21, 2024, 02:38:47 PM
I have suggested the same thing and asked one of the mods if he could create a thread like this. But, as he said, we should wait for the admin to come up and create a thread about it. Or, at least he needs the permission from admin to create such a thread. I don't know why it's taking soo long. Probably the admin wasn't informed about it or maybe he has more important tasks to do. I have reported a couple of posts already but I don't know if they were removed or not. Moreover, our local moderator is inactive for over a year now. So, I assume there are no one to handle those mess created by shitposters.
I think anyone can create a thread like that in Bitcointalk such post was created by a reputed member of the forum not the admin. It was created by Nutildah on that forum and I think someone who can manage such thread should create a thread like that and give time to it.

That type of thread will be helpful for admins and moderators to fins all those posts that have been generated with AI. If you think your local board's moderator is not active anymore on this forum then I believe you or someone else who's active on that board should apply to be a moderator on that board. That way you guys can delete all those posts that are generated with AI.


the administrator creates the new section to report posts generated with AI, users can always send a PM to a mod and those who can, give negative karma to that user, we will act as quickly as possible.
If you think a board related to AI generated posts should be created by admins then that's fine but I think admin or the forum should allow some active members to create such a thread where users can report all those posts that have been generated with those AI text generators.

Sending messages to moderators and admin would cause much problems as they inbox will always get filled with such messages, and that's why it's better to create a thread where users can report such posts and moderators can then delete those posts.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Jokers on January 21, 2024, 03:02:40 PM
I think anyone can create a thread like that in Bitcointalk such post was created by a reputed member of the forum not the admin. It was created by Nutildah on that forum and I think someone who can manage such thread should create a thread like that and give time to it.

That type of thread will be helpful for admins and moderators to fins all those posts that have been generated with AI.

It will be helpful, but it is not what I'm afraid to do or like that, it is just technically not allowed to do in the Decentralized Team (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=323.0) section, to open a new topic. And this is the only correct section for such a topic, so all moderators to see the reported violation. If it was technically possible I'd opened it already.

Any similar topic in any other section has not much sense, because mods can miss or overlook posts in there.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Learn Bitcoin on January 22, 2024, 04:20:52 PM
It will be helpful, but it is not what I'm afraid to do or like that, it is just technically not allowed to do in the Decentralized Team (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=323.0) section, to open a new topic. And this is the only correct section for such a topic, so all moderators to see the reported violation. If it was technically possible I'd opened it already.

Any similar topic in any other section has not much sense, because mods can miss or overlook posts in there.

Make sense. But there is a reputation board as well which was renamed very recently. I guess that board fits for such thread. But, If you guys could take care of it, it will be better for the community. I am curious if you or other moderators talked to an admin about it or not. If we just wait for an admin to create such a thread without even asking him, then it may take a long long time to get a thread like that. He may miss our discussion. BTW, I know it's off topic, but I want to ask. Are you the same person in Bitcointalk username Jokers10?
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Jokers on January 22, 2024, 04:41:33 PM
Make sense. But there is a reputation board as well which was renamed very recently. I guess that board fits for such thread. But, If you guys could take care of it, it will be better for the community.

You can open a topic in there, but mods can miss posts there.

Anyway more than a half of warnings on the most recent Warning Log page are for AI usage, so the problem is under monitor.

I am curious if you or other moderators talked to an admin about it or not. If we just wait for an admin to create such a thread without even asking him, then it may take a long long time to get a thread like that. He may miss our discussion.

You can try to attract his attention via chat on the main page. ::)

Are you the same person in Bitcointalk username Jokers10?

Why not? I'm not really hiding. ;D
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Learn Bitcoin on January 22, 2024, 05:11:32 PM
Anyway more than a half of warnings on the most recent Warning Log page are for AI usage, so the problem is under monitor.
That is good to know that moderators are taking care of those spammers. I am curious about one thing. Let's say you are a moderator of a specific section, could you handle a report that does not belong to the section where you are assigned? For example, let's say you are a mod for a Bitcoin forum. But, I have reported a post that is from my local board, can you handle it?

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You can try to attract his attention via chat on the main page. ::)
Okay. I will try to get his attention if I see he is online.

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Why not? I'm not really hiding. ;D
Haha. I was just curious about it. Because Jokers and Jokers10 are not same exact. But, I assumed it's you. So, Hi Jokers!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Jokers on January 22, 2024, 05:32:52 PM
That is good to know that moderators are taking care of those spammers. I am curious about one thing. Let's say you are a moderator of a specific section, could you handle a report that does not belong to the section where you are assigned? For example, let's say you are a mod for a Bitcoin forum. But, I have reported a post that is from my local board, can you handle it?

Different moderators can have different rights, if someone is a local moderator only he can have moderator rights in his section only. I have some rights in more sections. If it will be not enough, we have global moderators who can help in other cases. As for your local board, we found this spammer (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=profile;u=97636) a week ago and he got a warning. So you can share violations made at the local boards as well.

Haha. I was just curious about it. Because Jokers and Jokers10 are not same exact. But, I assumed it's you. So, Hi Jokers!  ;D ;D

Hi! This is not a teleported account, so it doesn't need to be the same, I was here before I signed up on BTT. And someone took the Jokers name there before me... ;D
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: jonathancool220 on January 23, 2024, 08:45:52 AM
For us ordinary members who have limited access in various subforums, it seems that for this post from AI I am not fully supportive.
We are real human beings in forums from various countries and have Altcoinstalks accounts to discuss each other, why do humans (members) want to be replaced by AI/Robot ??

But if the admin's job needs AI for goodnes and managing the forum can be calculated because the admin may not be active every day in the forum and certainly requires assistant.
I follow what is best for the good of the forum because until this moment I am still here in the Altcoinstalks forum and still feel comfortable, safe and peaceful.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: SamReomo on January 23, 2024, 01:13:07 PM
It will be helpful, but it is not what I'm afraid to do or like that, it is just technically not allowed to do in the Decentralized Team (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=323.0) section, to open a new topic. And this is the only correct section for such a topic, so all moderators to see the reported violation. If it was technically possible I'd opened it already.

Any similar topic in any other section has not much sense, because mods can miss or overlook posts in there.
So it means that we will have to wait for admin's decision for creating a board or thread like that? I think admin of this forum is too busy these days because he's working a lot to improve the state of the forum.

However, I think we all should convey this message to admin so he might think about it and may create such thread or board so moderators can delete all those posts that are generated with AI text generators.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Jamal Aezaz on January 23, 2024, 02:40:56 PM
It will be helpful, but it is not what I'm afraid to do or like that, it is just technically not allowed to do in the Decentralized Team (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=323.0) section, to open a new topic. And this is the only correct section for such a topic, so all moderators to see the reported violation. If it was technically possible I'd opened it already.

Any similar topic in any other section has not much sense, because mods can miss or overlook posts in there.

Make sense. But there is a reputation board as well which was renamed very recently. I guess that board fits for such thread. But, If you guys could take care of it, it will be better for the community. I am curious if you or other moderators talked to an admin about it or not. If we just wait for an admin to create such a thread without even asking him, then it may take a long long time to get a thread like that. He may miss our discussion. BTW, I know it's off topic, but I want to ask. Are you the same person in Bitcointalk username Jokers10?
Admin of this forum is very active. he's checking most of the posts by himself. as you can see by his posting history. I am sure he would see this thread and see all the suggestions you guys have given very soon if haven't seen it already.
Regarding creating a thread. I think anyone can create that. I don't see any reason for asking admins permission to write a thread.
Along with the thread it would be good to use "Report to Moderator" option whenever you see an AI generated post. in fact that's better than a thread if you ask  me.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Jokers on January 23, 2024, 02:42:45 PM
So it means that we will have to wait for admin's decision for creating a board or thread like that? I think admin of this forum is too busy these days because he's working a lot to improve the state of the forum.

However, I think we all should convey this message to admin so he might think about it and may create such thread or board so moderators can delete all those posts that are generated with AI text generators.

Moderators can work and do work with AI violations. You can report AI posts and inform moderators the other way. We are talking just about some topic in the Decentralized Team (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=323.0) section so everyone can have a place to report the problem in detail, and the Decentralized Team section is the place where moderators will see it sooner than in other sections.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: SamReomo on January 23, 2024, 03:35:26 PM
Moderators can work and do work with AI violations. You can report AI posts and inform moderators the other way. We are talking just about some topic in the Decentralized Team (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=323.0) section so everyone can have a place to report the problem in detail, and the Decentralized Team section is the place where moderators will see it sooner than in other sections.
Yes, I think admin should create a thread in Decentralized Team board with name "Report AI generated posts." I have seen that there are similar kind of threads on that board and one additional thread will fix the issue.

I also think that admin should most probably hire a few more moderators so they can handle the tasks pretty smoothly. AI posts are main concern for many users because they spend their precious time to post here and it really discourages them when a bot replies to them.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Learn Bitcoin on January 23, 2024, 03:53:34 PM
Moderators can work and do work with AI violations. You can report AI posts and inform moderators the other way. We are talking just about some topic in the Decentralized Team (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=323.0) section so everyone can have a place to report the problem in detail, and the Decentralized Team section is the place where moderators will see it sooner than in other sections.

I tried to get his attention about AI posting in chat and asked if he plans to create a thread like Report AI-generated content here. He said AI Fighting, coming soon. I know it's not a direct answer. But, I guess he is positive about it. Even if he does not create a thread, maybe he has another plan against fighting AI. Probably he will introduce new badge for AI content and new strike. That's what I could think at this moment. He is kind of specialized in creating badge and things like that. LOL.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Freemind on January 27, 2024, 07:42:06 AM
It will be hard for global mods and other moderators to handle local reports. You may not understand what are they talking about due to the language barrier. We cannot rely on google translator. FYI, I have applied to be a Local moderator but I didn't get any response yet. I guess it is the president and Vice president who hire moderators. I didn't get any positive or negative feedback about my application. But I would be glad to work if you guys need a guy from my locals. About development works, I do not want to send Private messages and bother them. Since they have the priority list, they will have to follow them for sure. We should be more patient instead.

It's true that language is a big barrier, but with the help of the local user reporting it it shouldn't be a serious problem, but that's just my opinion.

Regarding your application to be a local moderator, I can tell you that it is not something that can be done in a few days or weeks. What @hair and I do is monitor the users who have applied for that position and in a few months we can decide who will fill that position.

We take into account the activity of these users, the quality of their posts, the way they talk to others, and overall we will be able to verify that the user will do a good job.

Even if you haven't received any notification or response, don't worry, we take all requests into account.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: taufik123 on January 27, 2024, 03:37:42 PM
I tried to get his attention about AI posting in chat and asked if he plans to create a thread like Report AI-generated content here. He said AI Fighting, coming soon. I know it's not a direct answer. But, I guess he is positive about it. Even if he does not create a thread, maybe he has another plan against fighting AI. Probably he will introduce new badge for AI content and new strike. That's what I could think at this moment. He is kind of specialized in creating badge and things like that. LOL.
Sound very optimistic with AI Fighting coming soon.
Of course, this requires a special team assigned to check Ai's posts, or they use some sort of automated tool to see how the posts are made.

A new badge is certainly needed to flag users detected using Ai more than once (initial errors will probably only get regular strikes).

The use of AI for posting or to respond to a topic, it's just the answer of the robot Ai who doesn't have any opinion, I once found a member on this forum who created a thread with Ai, and he couldn't dodge it.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Learn Bitcoin on January 27, 2024, 04:45:36 PM
We take into account the activity of these users, the quality of their posts, and the way they talk to others, and overall we will be able to verify that the user will do a good job.

Even if you haven't received any notification or response, don't worry, we take all requests into account.

Sounds good.
It's not hard for the active users to prove themself. As I can see, a new moderator has been assigned and I am happy about it. At least we could report, and a local mod would be able to handle those reports. I don't want to rush into anything. I don't want to be a mod by spending a few days only. But I thought you guys will reply me. I have been in Bitcointalk for over a year and earned around 750 Merits. But, I have to prove myself here as well. It's good to know that you guys take allrequestst into account. Probably I may bump my application after a few more months.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: aiviaa485 on January 28, 2024, 12:17:28 PM
. Generating content with AI and Copy pasting posts from other sources (Which is plagiarism) should be the similar (if not same) offense and they should be punished.
If there are new members or old members who have high rankings, you shouldn't use AI to make posts, it will only result in every topic reply from that member being written repeatedly and that is more similar to Spam.
The rules on the altcoinstalks forum are that if someone makes a Spam post, they must delete it and the member gets a warning or gets -Karma.
It's better to use your own ideas to reply to every topic created or quote from various members on the altcoinstalks forum because if you use AI the words will also look very stiff and may not have constructive value with other members. Cmiiw
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Learn Bitcoin on January 28, 2024, 06:02:30 PM
It's better to use your own ideas to reply to every topic created or quote from various members on the altcoinstalks forum because if you use AI the words will also look very stiff and may not have constructive value with other members. Cmiiw

This is not the main fact. I always consider it as cheating because when I as a human try to connect with another human, an AI just wrote some random thing and the user does it pretending like he did the job, while the truth is; he didn't write that. As you know, AI collects data from the internet. When a user asks a question, the AI searches on the internet and it shows the result that is available on the internet. So, it is a kind of plagiarism as well. However, Altcoinstalks moderators already taking action against those AI spammers! The admin working on it as well. 
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: aiviaa485 on January 29, 2024, 01:41:51 PM
So, it is a kind of plagiarism as well. However, Altcoinstalks moderators already taking action against those AI spammers! The admin working on it as well.
Yep, that's right, replying to topics using AI can be called plagiarism and this is really painful.
Moderator and Admin work seems very busy this year because the sophistication of AI is very strong for all members to do.
But for the campaign part, it seems that the Bounty Manager has an even harder task because he has to check in detail every post from all members who join the campaign.

For learning and notification to all members, the use of AI to make this post should be more negative and in my opinion it is better to avoid using this AI in the altcoinstalks forum. IMO :)
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: babo on January 29, 2024, 01:50:19 PM
Hi there.

I am sorry if there were similar threads or if it has been answered before. But, I have asked the question somewhere else and I didn't get the answer. I guess the admin or the president didn't see that. I would like to ask again if AI-generated content should be allowed or not. Generating content with AI and Copy pasting posts from other sources (Which is plagiarism) should be the similar (if not same) offense and they should be punished. I would like to hear the community feedback and comments from admin or officials would be appreciated.


I don't think it's a good thing or something to support
the forum is used to let humans talk to each other and discuss, why should I argue with an artificial intelligence?
in my opinion it also makes sense to generate content with an AI for a blog, or for a video or whatever you want
but when you chat it doesn't make much sense to use it
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Learn Bitcoin on January 29, 2024, 07:06:08 PM
But for the campaign part, it seems that the Bounty Manager has an even harder task because he has to check in detail every post from all members who join the campaign.

Yes. The job is harder for them as well. But, as you may know, the manager can't check every post with some AI detector tool to catch AI spammer. Instead, A manager AB de Royse777 offered a bounty for his signature campaign. If anyone can catch an AI spammer from his signature campaign participants, the participant will be kicked out of the campaign and the person who caught them will receive the payment for that week or similar. I don't remember the exact offer. But it was similar to this. I hope the admin will come up with something new. A few days ago he said Ai fighting was coming soon or something like that.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Freemind on January 29, 2024, 07:34:14 PM
Sounds good.
It's not hard for the active users to prove themself. As I can see, a new moderator has been assigned and I am happy about it. At least we could report, and a local mod would be able to handle those reports. I don't want to rush into anything. I don't want to be a mod by spending a few days only. But I thought you guys will reply me. I have been in Bitcointalk for over a year and earned around 750 Merits. But, I have to prove myself here as well. It's good to know that you guys take allrequestst into account. Probably I may bump my application after a few more months.

Everything takes time @Learn Bitcoin. It is true that the forum needs more moderators, especially for the local sections. But it is something that we must do carefully, we cannot put someone who we do not know how they will react to problems or someone who at a certain time has not followed the rules of the forum, This is not your case, it is just an example.

After the period of time that I talk about in another of my posts, we will have a better idea of ​​​​who may be the users who would best play the role of moderators.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Cantsay on January 29, 2024, 08:02:59 PM

Yes. The job is harder for them as well. But, as you may know, the manager can't check every post with some AI detector tool to catch AI spammer. Instead, A manager AB de Royse777 offered a bounty for his signature campaign. If anyone can catch an AI spammer from his signature campaign participants, the participant will be kicked out of the campaign and the person who caught them will receive the payment for that week or similar. I don't remember the exact offer. But it was similar to this. I hope the admin will come up with something new. A few days ago he said Ai fighting was coming soon or something like that.

I remember something like this being setup by AB de royse777 in Bitcointalk, did he still include it in altcointalk?

Recently a campaign participant was caught using AI generated post to complete his post quota, if I had known I would have directed who caught him to Royse so that he can claim his reward, seems like he’s already too late probably the next person that might be lucky enough to catch another lazy campaign participant using ai.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: babo on January 30, 2024, 11:38:09 AM

Yes. The job is harder for them as well. But, as you may know, the manager can't check every post with some AI detector tool to catch AI spammer. Instead, A manager AB de Royse777 offered a bounty for his signature campaign. If anyone can catch an AI spammer from his signature campaign participants, the participant will be kicked out of the campaign and the person who caught them will receive the payment for that week or similar. I don't remember the exact offer. But it was similar to this. I hope the admin will come up with something new. A few days ago he said Ai fighting was coming soon or something like that.

I remember something like this being setup by AB de royse777 in Bitcointalk, did he still include it in altcointalk?

Recently a campaign participant was caught using AI generated post to complete his post quota, if I had known I would have directed who caught him to Royse so that he can claim his reward, seems like he’s already too late probably the next person that might be lucky enough to catch another lazy campaign participant using ai.


I hadn't thought of this, it's a good incentive for hunters of this kind of lazy people
among other things there are tools that help you understand if it was generated by artificial intelligence
there are some tricks, which obviously I won't reveal... the reason is easy: I create potential competition

if royse really accepts referrals and rewards them, damn I found a nice way to make money :D I'll have to try it if I find the time
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Learn Bitcoin on January 30, 2024, 05:04:05 PM
Everything takes time @Learn Bitcoin. It is true that the forum needs more moderators, especially for the local sections. But it is something that we must do carefully, we cannot put someone who we do not know how they will react to problems or someone who at a certain time has not followed the rules of the forum, This is not your case, it is just an example.

It's understandable Mr Freemind. Especially when you just cannot remove the moderator whenever you want. it's not an easy job to appoint someone based on one particular thing and it's not easy to remove someone based on another single thing. People consider the moderator's statement as an official statement of the forum. So, If I don't know what to say and write something random that does not match the forum ethics, people would question the forum. I understand what did you mean.


I remember something like this being setup by AB de royse777 in Bitcointalk, did he still include it in altcointalk?

Recently a campaign participant was caught using AI generated post to complete his post quota, if I had known I would have directed who caught him to Royse so that he can claim his reward, seems like he’s already too late probably the next person that might be lucky enough to catch another lazy campaign participant using ai.
yes. If I am not wrong, I have seen this offer here as well. All of his campaigns are AI prevented. If someone could catch AI posters, he will reward them.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: IyemRoker on February 01, 2024, 03:37:37 PM
Why do people these days always think they like AI and use AI to make work easier?
I can't understand why they use AI to create content or posts on forums?
This is not an original result of our thoughts and will be difficult for ourselves to understand, let alone other people.

For example, I am a mother with one child who wants to continue learning about cryptocurrency.
If I use AI to reply to posts it means my life story doesn't exist, is not appreciated and has no meaning.
It should be better to be yourself, tell the story we want to tell about cryptocurrency and don't tell it if it's not necessary or has a secret.
Because of the results of thoughts, experiences and personal stories, it will be easier to describe topic content or reply to topics. Your experience = your topics.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Learn Bitcoin on February 01, 2024, 05:25:19 PM
Why do people these days always think they like AI and use AI to make work easier?
I can't understand why they use AI to create content or posts on forums?
This is not an original result of our thoughts and will be difficult for ourselves to understand, let alone other people.

Unfortunately, Not everyone cares about it. Some people think why should I spend that much time writing these articles to get paid when Ai could do it for me within a few minutes? Unfortunately, there are some YouTubers out there are teaching every kind of unethical things people could do with AI and make money. They teaching how you could earn $50 a day just by doing some copy-paste job on the internet and that's what people doing on the forums too. If they choose not to gather any knowledge and write with AI, what else we could do? But, it's unethical when it comes to publishing posts as your own while the reality is it's not your content.

Guys, should I lock this thread? The answer is obvious already; The forum does not allow AI generated content.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Gurujebs on February 01, 2024, 06:19:53 PM
Why do people these days always think they like AI and use AI to make work easier?
I can't understand why they use AI to create content or posts on forums?
This is not an original result of our thoughts and will be difficult for ourselves to understand, let alone other people.

It's so sad that communication is now that difficult for people to do just to communicate with people, it's very hard for them and this is bad. The way AI is moving, I fear that one day the humans might lost these war to the computers because they st gradually replacing us and the fact that they are artificial intelligence is scary because they are machine learning that improves on what they learn every time.

As for the forum, it is not a do or die that OP should write in English language, we have other local boards where any type of discussion can be submitted and you will get response from anybody that is online at that time. You don't have to force a conversation with a machine and expect human to read and reply you in excellent way, there will be errors. I will advise to use local boards where your language is understood.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Freemind on February 01, 2024, 08:32:30 PM
It's understandable Mr Freemind. Especially when you just cannot remove the moderator whenever you want. it's not an easy job to appoint someone based on one particular thing and it's not easy to remove someone based on another single thing. People consider the moderator's statement as an official statement of the forum. So, If I don't know what to say and write something random that does not match the forum ethics, people would question the forum. I understand what did you mean.


The problem itself is not removing privileges from a moderator who is not doing what he is supposed to do. The problem is finding someone who we know will do it well and who understands how the forum and the rules work. If we designate someone as a moderator without much thought and we have to remove privileges, we would have to start from the beginning and go back to finding and monitoring the activity of several candidate users, and that would be wasting a lot of time.

It is better to do things with the patience necessary to have to do it only once and then we can all be calmer and more confident that we have selected the right person. That is why we always ask candidates for patience.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: IyemRoker on February 02, 2024, 04:15:21 PM
Unfortunately, Not everyone cares about it. Some people think why should I spend that much time writing these articles to get paid when Ai could do it for me within a few minutes?

Guys, should I lock this thread? The answer is obvious already; The forum does not allow AI generated content.
Ah yes, that's right, I didn't look carefully at this and they also learned a lot from YouTube to use AI so they could copy-paste in various forums.
Actually, they are creative and knowledgeable because they understand how AI works and implement it in various forums, but forums also have rules that all members cannot violate.
And members who use AI are the ones who violate the basic rules of the forum, so it's natural that they get a bad reputation regarding the copy-paste they use for the forum.

It seems that this thread should be locked because there are many answers that do not support the use of AI in the forum but it's up to you whether you want to lock this thread or not.

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Hopefully there won't be a war between AI and humans in the future, if there is a war then it looks like it will cause even worse chaos.
It would also be very scary if AI had mastered human thinking, this is a serious problem and humans must be able to control AI, not the other way around.
Title: Re: Should AI generated post be allowed here?
Post by: Learn Bitcoin on February 02, 2024, 06:27:11 PM
The problem itself is not removing privileges from a moderator who is not doing what he is supposed to do. The problem is finding someone who we know will do it well and who understands how the forum and the rules work. If we designate someone as a moderator without much thought and we have to remove privileges, we would have to start from the beginning and go back to finding and monitoring the activity of several candidate users, and that would be wasting a lot of time.

It is better to do things with the patience necessary to have to do it only once and then we can all be calmer and more confident that we have selected the right person. That is why we always ask candidates for patience.

Make sense! Thank you for your detailed answer. I don't have a problem waiting because I am not going anywhere. I am just doing my regular activity here reading some thread here and there. I hope I will get used to the forum and have a better understanding at some point which might make me qualified for the position as well. We are going a little off-topic here :)

Actually, they are creative and knowledgeable because they understand how AI works and implement it in various forums, but forums also have rules that all members cannot violate.
And members who use AI are the ones who violate the basic rules of the forum, so it's natural that they get a bad reputation regarding the copy-paste they use for the forum.

It seems that this thread should be locked because there are many answers that do not support the use of AI in the forum but it's up to you whether you want to lock this thread or not.

No matter how creative they are. They should show their creativity somewhere else. The forum is for original content creators and people with genuine interest. yeah, I will lock this thread after this post. Thanks everyone who have shared their opinion.