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I had a flashback of when my friend was stabbed in a viewing centre by a rival fan and then I wondered if people still fight in viewing centres. I couldn’t get any recent cases of violence in viewing centres and in my thinking, one of the reasons is the rise of gambling activities. The last time I witnessed fighting in a sports viewing centre was April 24th 2012 in a Champions League match between Barcelona and Chelsea. That game ended in a 2-2 draw.
Since the rise of gambling activities, it has become difficult for people to fight in sports viewing centres. The fight is not between rival fans but a cold war between gamblers and the Bookies. Every gambler wants to win and their major concern is the outcome of the game so it is between them and their tickets. Yesterday, a Chelsea fan double-chanced Brentford City and he won. Fans who are gamblers are more concerned with making money and not ready to fight for the team they support and this drop in patriotism has prevented rival fans from fighting during matches.
Is this the same in your country? Can this be one of the silent goods of gambling activity?
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Voted No. Unless these fans watch games and bets online, I just couldn't find a positive correlation between gambling and violence. If anything, There's a higher likelihood that the rise of gambling activities would also increase the cases of violence. Fans are already emotional when their favorite team is losing, they could be even more emotional at the thought of losing their bet.
The decrease in violence could be due to improved security and other reasons.
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Online gambling most probably made those violent gamblers stay at home just wagering using their phones. For once the online casinos had helped something to reduce crimes.
But if they return to those veiwing decks, no doubt they just stab someone cheering the teams they don't like.
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I had a flashback of when my friend was stabbed in a viewing centre by a rival fan and then I wondered if people still fight in viewing centres. I couldn’t get any recent cases of violence in viewing centres and in my thinking, one of the reasons is the rise of gambling activities. The last time I witnessed fighting in a sports viewing centre was April 24th 2012 in a Champions League match between Barcelona and Chelsea. That game ended in a 2-2 draw.
Since the rise of gambling activities, it has become difficult for people to fight in sports viewing centres. The fight is not between rival fans but a cold war between gamblers and the Bookies. Every gambler wants to win and their major concern is the outcome of the game so it is between them and their tickets. Yesterday, a Chelsea fan double-chanced Brentford City and he won. Fans who are gamblers are more concerned with making money and not ready to fight for the team they support and this drop in patriotism has prevented rival fans from fighting during matches.
Is this the same in your country? Can this be one of the silent goods of gambling activity?
I think from time to time we are going to see this kind of violence, and this is not a simply fan but "fanatics" itself. And upon searching,
On Monday night, all attention turned away from the Champions League's return as news broke that a Newcastle fan had been stabbed in Milan.
Eddie McKay, 58, was walking back to his hotel with his son and a friend shortly after midnight on Tuesday when around eight attackers pounced from behind in the Navigli district. He was stabbed twice in the arm and once in the lower back.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12538087/Newcastle-fan-stabbing-latest-dreadful-history-violence-English-Italian-fans-Liverpool-Leeds-fans-victims-well.html
I'm not sure if there will be war between fans and bookies. I mean if the gambler won then there's nothing the bookies can do but to pay isn't it? Although a fly by night bookies might not get the full winnings as they are going to cap it from what I experience before. But in any case this bookies are going to take the bet and they are being run individuals that have deep pockets so for sure they be welcoming of all the bets and chances are bettors are going to lose in the end.
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Voted No. Unless these fans watch games and bets online, I just couldn't find a positive correlation between gambling and violence. If anything, There's a higher likelihood that the rise of gambling activities would also increase the cases of violence. Fans are already emotional when their favorite team is losing, they could be even more emotional at the thought of losing their bet.
The decrease in violence could be due to improved security and other reasons.
The environment I grew up in is such that when there are big games people must fight. Every argument must result in exchanging blows but today people don`t fight. I don’t think it is due to increased security because security has always been there yet people fought. I took a survey and asked some sports fans and most of them said “I don’t need to fight for teams that don’t know I exist”. Others said, “I just want my ticket to play and that’s my only business”. None of the people I asked made mention of the nature of security and since I am a native of that community I know that the Security personnel can only intervene when the deal has been done.
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Voted no. I see no connection in placing a bet, and someone doing harm to other person. If a person has lost a bet and is so much disappointed because of that, then he should turn his actions to bookmaker or the team/person he placed bet on, or on team/persons opponent. But doing harm to a random person, because your bet lost. That is ridiculous and unreal. Those fans who fight against other fans, before/during/after the event are just crazy people, they have little in common with gambling.
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I took a survey and asked some sports fans and most of them said “I don’t need to fight for teams that don’t know I exist”. Others said, “I just want my ticket to play and that’s my only business”.
Next time you do a survey don't forget to ask those:
-Would you rob a bank? Would you rape somebody? Would you stab someone? /s
Seriously what kind of answers did you expect, that somebody would confess to you he would beat the crap out of everybody in the room?
Tony Johnson died after suffering a head injury in the disturbance by a bar on Blackpool promenade after a Blackpool vs Burnley match in March last year.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-lancashire-68234444
Shocking moment Red Star hooligans storm Man City bar and beat supporters with sticks ahead of Champions League clash
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/25042588/red-star-hooligans-attack-man-city-champions-league-football/
Bouncer jailed over Dunstable Town fan punch death
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-64969332
Sheffield United hooligan Liam Jones jailed for fatal pub attack
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-67660099
More?
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Voted No. Unless these fans watch games and bets online, I just couldn't find a positive correlation between gambling and violence. If anything, There's a higher likelihood that the rise of gambling activities would also increase the cases of violence. Fans are already emotional when their favorite team is losing, they could be even more emotional at the thought of losing their bet.
The decrease in violence could be due to improved security and other reasons.
The environment I grew up in is such that when there are big games people must fight. Every argument must result in exchanging blows but today people don`t fight. I don’t think it is due to increased security because security has always been there yet people fought. I took a survey and asked some sports fans and most of them said “I don’t need to fight for teams that don’t know I exist”. Others said, “I just want my ticket to play and that’s my only business”. None of the people I asked made mention of the nature of security and since I am a native of that community I know that the Security personnel can only intervene when the deal has been done.
I guess those who said they just want their ticket are are more of a gambler than a true fan. It's the passionate for their teams that usually end up fighting the fans of another team.
The people who said they're not going to fight for teams that do not know them probably have a change in mindset. It's possible that they used to fight but since they understand that it usually doesn't end well, they decided to stop. That still has nothing to do with gambling.
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Voted No. Unless these fans watch games and bets online, I just couldn't find a positive correlation between gambling and violence. If anything, There's a higher likelihood that the rise of gambling activities would also increase the cases of violence. Fans are already emotional when their favorite team is losing, they could be even more emotional at the thought of losing their bet
I don't really agree with your opinion,because I have seen fans around my environment in the viewing center which makes statement like I don't care what they are playing, all I know is that let my copy play.
For example: that's why most gamblers can bet against their club just because,they want their bet to play. Based on my opinion gambling has reduced fight among fan based on their clubs in the viewing center.
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Since it is easier now than ever, the interaction between rival factions have lessened for sure and those gambling violence less. It’s better this way IMO so that people wouldn’t be violent IRL. But this now increase the case of online bullying and trolling.
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Since it is easier now than ever, the interaction between rival factions have lessened for sure and those gambling violence less. It’s better this way IMO so that people wouldn’t be violent IRL. But this now increase the case of online bullying and trolling.
Exactly! Online gambling really is one factor affecting the decline of violence in sports viewing centers no doubt about that but it opens up new form of hostilities and abuses online though just an isolated case here in my place because most gamblers here still prefer the traditional offline way of gambling which is literally has high cases of violence compared to online gambling. But If we are talking about nationwide online gambling yeah there are few cases of it when I was in an online casino few years back.
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I think there isn't a relationship between gambling and violence. I agree that people tend to find offense from others' statements while watching football in public spaces, but that has been reduced over the years. This reduction is due to how technology has evolved, providing free access for everyone to watch every sport from the comfort of their homes. It has also decreased crowds in public gatherings like the viewing center you mentioned.
However, let's not forget that cases of violence are still recorded to this day. About two weeks ago, two Brighton fans were stabbed in Italy while Brighton traveled for their Europa League encounter. So, I believe that violence still exists but has been limited to a certain level.
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With the massive rise of the gambling industry, such images in galleries are massively declining. This is definitely a positive aspect. It is a matter of concern if someone loses their life somewhere because of the game. However, the image that was seen earlier that could not bear the loss of the favourite team, there were various chaotic atmosphere created by the fans. But now there has been a lot of improvement from that situation. Often when I see visitors to the gallery, some are engrossed in the game and some are excited. As they worry about the outcome and the winning and losing of their bets, there is less conflict. However, in some places, some unpleasant incidents still happen occasionally, but it is definitely less.
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With the massive rise of the gambling industry, such images in galleries are massively declining. This is definitely a positive aspect. It is a matter of concern if someone loses their life somewhere because of the game. However, the image that was seen earlier that could not bear the loss of the favourite team, there were various chaotic atmosphere created by the fans. But now there has been a lot of improvement from that situation. Often when I see visitors to the gallery, some are engrossed in the game and some are excited. As they worry about the outcome and the winning and losing of their bets, there is less conflict. However, in some places, some unpleasant incidents still happen occasionally, but it is definitely less.
Most people still don`t accept that gambling has distracted so many minds making them focus more on winning than trying to engage in violence. No doubt, violence still occurs occasionally as you have noted but then there is a significant decline as to the nature of violence in the past. Before the advent of gambling, there was always confrontation between opposing teams which always resulted in fighting but today even some fans stake against their favourite team all because they want to make money.
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Most people still don`t accept that gambling has distracted so many minds making them focus more on winning than trying to engage in violence. No doubt, violence still occurs occasionally as you have noted but then there is a significant decline as to the nature of violence in the past.
If you want people to accept your opinion, then come with numbers, not what you think it happens!
Show us how the numbers of brawls have decreased show us how the numbers of murders have decreased show us how the numbers of police arrests have decreased to and then you can say gimbling has node a wonderful job
Before the advent of gambling, there was always confrontation between opposing teams which always resulted in fighting but today even some fans stake against their favourite team all because they want to make money.
First, gambling is older than most of the current sports, just horse racing gambling was popular and regulated three centuries ago!
Second, can you tell me how would some guys that have previously fought just for the sake of fighting for supporting their team, now they will magically stay calm when on top of their team losing they will be losing money? Cause there is no logic clicking here!
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Many times we see such unpleasant incidents in TV headlines where a friend kills a friend due to gambling or many unpleasant incidents are made due to gambling. People who think gambling is just fun should read this kind of news regularly. Usually there is nothing like this in online gambling, but in all offline gambling, such incidents happen more often. Two friends sat side by side and gambled one friend lost and the other friend won but the friend who lost refused to pay the money to the winning friend but this will create a bad situation between the two people basically this is how such incidents happen.
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Many times we see such unpleasant incidents in TV headlines where a friend kills a friend due to gambling or many unpleasant incidents are made due to gambling. People who think gambling is just fun should read this kind of news regularly. Usually there is nothing like this in online gambling, but in all offline gambling, such incidents happen more often. Two friends sat side by side and gambled one friend lost and the other friend won but the friend who lost refused to pay the money to the winning friend but this will create a bad situation between the two people basically this is how such incidents happen.
Your analogy shows one of the benefits of online gambling. If everybody is compelled to gamble online, the problems associated with offline gambling can be prevented. I have witnessed a gambler abuse and threatened a casino worker after he lost.
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I had a flashback of when my friend was stabbed in a viewing centre by a rival fan and then I wondered if people still fight in viewing centres.
Firstly, I am sad about this because sport should not be able to harm other people or even take lives.
Supporting your favorite sports team is fine, but if you have to commit violence that can kill you, it is the same as breaking the rules in force in that country.
Is this the same in your country? Can this be one of the silent goods of gambling activity?
In my country, the most crucial thing is football, it is very scary if we look directly at the stadium in a match, especially if the match is a mortal enemy.
Indonesian League 1 has also become a trending topic at the Kanjuruhan Stadium, Malang (https://www.kompas.com/tren/read/2023/10/01/083000065/satu-tahun-tragedi-kanjuruhan--kronologi-vonis-para-terdakwa-dan?page=all). Hundreds of lives have been lost due to the use of tear gas by police during riots.
But I don't really understand the problem of gambling because the majority in my country are Muslims and many avoid gambling.
I'm sure there are also many people who gamble on football, especially big matches like Persib Bandung vs Persija Jakarta (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIfVCIID7wc), but unfortunately I don't really know about the gambling section where they gamble.
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I had a flashback of when my friend was stabbed in a viewing centre by a rival fan and then I wondered if people still fight in viewing centres. I couldn’t get any recent cases of violence in viewing centres and in my thinking, one of the reasons is the rise of gambling activities. The last time I witnessed fighting in a sports viewing centre was April 24th 2012 in a Champions League match between Barcelona and Chelsea. That game ended in a 2-2 draw.
Since the rise of gambling activities, it has become difficult for people to fight in sports viewing centres. The fight is not between rival fans but a cold war between gamblers and the Bookies. Every gambler wants to win and their major concern is the outcome of the game so it is between them and their tickets. Yesterday, a Chelsea fan double-chanced Brentford City and he won. Fans who are gamblers are more concerned with making money and not ready to fight for the team they support and this drop in patriotism has prevented rival fans from fighting during matches.
Is this the same in your country? Can this be one of the silent goods of gambling activity?
Except that they watch it online and also gamble online, people still fight in most viewing centers and most especially when the team they bet to win is loosing, and the fan of the opposition are making gest of them, you know the pain of loosing your money on beting.
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Looks like your country is far from mine , I know that there are violence in sports but not against bookies and other gambling platform .
but i think i get what you are getting here and yeah violence in sports are truly getting lesser now because of online gambling since people need not to get out of house and they just need to play in many places aside from going elsewhere .
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I had a flashback of when my friend was stabbed in a viewing centre by a rival fan and then I wondered if people still fight in viewing centres. I couldn’t get any recent cases of violence in viewing centres and in my thinking, one of the reasons is the rise of gambling activities. The last time I witnessed fighting in a sports viewing centre was April 24th 2012 in a Champions League match between Barcelona and Chelsea. That game ended in a 2-2 draw.
Since the rise of gambling activities, it has become difficult for people to fight in sports viewing centres. The fight is not between rival fans but a cold war between gamblers and the Bookies. Every gambler wants to win and their major concern is the outcome of the game so it is between them and their tickets. Yesterday, a Chelsea fan double-chanced Brentford City and he won. Fans who are gamblers are more concerned with making money and not ready to fight for the team they support and this drop in patriotism has prevented rival fans from fighting during matches.
Is this the same in your country? Can this be one of the silent goods of gambling activity?
I vote No, I dont see a direct relations between gambling and a decrease in the level of fighting and violence between sports fans.
Absolutely unrelated, the decline of violence is actually due to the increasing awareness that if the fans cause trouble, the club will be fined.
Fanatic : a person who is extremely interested in something, to a degree that some people find unreasonable
I think someone who is truly a fanatical supporter of a team will never bet on their opponent to win.
This means he is just an ordinary Chelsea fan, not a hardcore Chelsea supporter.
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I will agree with you on this that gambling activities has reduced hooliganism and violence levels not only in viewing centers but also in the stadiums as many fans are not too concerned about what their teams play but how they can make money from the games been played, this is one of the best things that has happened with the rise of gambling activities. Like in my country football fans even bet against their team now some that where impossible back then because only an opposing fan talking bad against a club can result in a fight. Overall I can say that gambling activities has made many people to become wiser and has opened their eyes to the money flowing world of sports as these teams they support is also about making money so why don't they follow suit in making that same money
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Is this the same in your country? Can this be one of the silent goods of gambling activity?
In my opinion, there is no connection between the decline in venue violence and gambling activities, as they are unrelated issues. The primary cause of violence in sports venues is often die-hard supporters of teams. Therefore, the decline in such violence might be due to increased security measures.
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In my opinion, there is no connection between the decline in venue violence and gambling activities, as they are unrelated issues. The primary cause of violence in sports venues is often die-hard supporters of teams. Therefore, the decline in such violence might be due to increased security measures.
i would agree that there is probably no correlation or even causation between venue violence and gambling activities but i also would not credit the decrease of venue violence to security measures because i have seen venues with strict security still experience some venue violence if an attacker is already in the venue and he has already done something to a fellow fan there is nothing much security can do but take him out of the venue but the harm was already done
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Is this the same in your country? Can this be one of the silent goods of gambling activity?
Recently, there was another case of someone stabbed to death during that Arsenal against Liverpool game, which shows that gambling has not actually reduced violence in sports viewing centers.
Be careful still when you go to viewing centers to watch games; violence is still possible from a rival fan. To avoid such happenings, be careful with who you exchange words with in the center; they may be temperamental, and you may never know.
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Recently, there was another case of someone stabbed to death during that Arsenal against Liverpool game, which shows that gambling has not actually reduced violence in sports viewing centers.
Be careful still when you go to viewing centers to watch games; violence is still possible from a rival fan. To avoid such happenings, be careful with who you exchange words with in the center; they may be temperamental, and you may never know.
world is so cruel because of violent people like this
can you believe that someone is seriously capable of doing this? it is scary how you can just spend your day normally then suddenly you will be dead because of an angry fan some fans might be wary now of discussing sports with stranger because they might be a little too passionate and violent that if they disagree on something they might end up like this poor victim here
maybe some will choose to watch sports at home instead instead of outside and meet new people in fear of cases like this
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Is this the same in your country? Can this be one of the silent goods of gambling activity?
Recently, there was another case of someone stabbed to death during that Arsenal against Liverpool game, which shows that gambling has not actually reduced violence in sports viewing centers.
Be careful still when you go to viewing centers to watch games; violence is still possible from a rival fan. To avoid such happenings, be careful with who you exchange words with in the center; they may be temperamental, and you may never know.
There may be some ardent supporter who do things out of passion. They know that it is a crime to do so but still such behavior is often seen. There are also some fans who can't control their excitement and instead get into a fight with a person over a trivial incident which later takes a dire shape. For which reason I agree with you that there should be no excessive excitement in the gallery for or against either any team. Moreover, it is foolish to argue with others. There will be tension in the game situation but it is wise to keep it under control.
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Recently, there was another case of someone stabbed to death during that Arsenal against Liverpool game, which shows that gambling has not actually reduced violence in sports viewing centers.
Be careful still when you go to viewing centers to watch games; violence is still possible from a rival fan. To avoid such happenings, be careful with who you exchange words with in the center; they may be temperamental, and you may never know.
world is so cruel because of violent people like this
can you believe that someone is seriously capable of doing this? it is scary how you can just spend your day normally then suddenly you will be dead because of an angry fan some fans might be wary now of discussing sports with stranger because they might be a little too passionate and violent that if they disagree on something they might end up like this poor victim here
maybe some will choose to watch sports at home instead instead of outside and meet new people in fear of cases like this
I would definitely be avoiding these kind of people especially if I see them in the Sports viewing center. So if there is a option no to go in the viewing center like staying at home and just use my phone to bet on the sports I'm into then online gambling is my first choice.
Dangerous guys, the bullies often watch the ones they can bully and remembers them because they are easy prey. Maybe it's for money that if these dangerous guys loses money they'd look for someone.
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Violence continues to occur, but we may not have access to information about all cases of violence because not all of them are reported online. Some humans continue to reason in barbaric ways, so when they gamble, they always try to transfer their aggression to another person when they lose. Personally, I have seen a rival fan stab someone simply because his team lost and he lost his bet.
People differ in how they think and behave. Also, not everyone engages in sports gambling, so their focus is solely on the outcome of the game. If the team they support wins, they are overjoyed; if the team loses, they become enraged and are easily triggered to engage in violent behaviour.
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I had a flashback of when my friend was stabbed in a viewing centre by a rival fan and then I wondered if people still fight in viewing centres. I couldn’t get any recent cases of violence in viewing centres and in my thinking, one of the reasons is the rise of gambling activities. The last time I witnessed fighting in a sports viewing centre was April 24th 2012 in a Champions League match between Barcelona and Chelsea. That game ended in a 2-2 draw.
Since the rise of gambling activities, it has become difficult for people to fight in sports viewing centres. The fight is not between rival fans but a cold war between gamblers and the Bookies. Every gambler wants to win and their major concern is the outcome of the game so it is between them and their tickets. Yesterday, a Chelsea fan double-chanced Brentford City and he won. Fans who are gamblers are more concerned with making money and not ready to fight for the team they support and this drop in patriotism has prevented rival fans from fighting during matches.
Is this the same in your country? Can this be one of the silent goods of gambling activity?
Well, it sounds like gambling itself has actually decreased fan passion, and they're no longer motivated enough to fight for their favorite team ^^ If this is true, we'll see stadiums filled with cold gamblers instead of passionate fans!
I don't think gambling has this impact or "advantage". Gambling has its own market, where people who enjoy betting can participate whether they love sports or not. The issue of post-match violence has decreased thanks to better education and fan civility, and organizers also have strict management and control methods to prevent fights in the stands.
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having no money can make a person commit a crime. gamblers who goes home without money is always a quick-tempered. this is could be the reason why violence in the viewing center is common especially to the passionate fan of a team or while the winner makes fun of the loser. ;D
but why there is a decline of violence in sports viewing center while gambling is rising? maybe because the sports viewing center has cameras everywhere. committing crimes there will surely be a jail time. if they are going to commit crime like rob someone who won thousands in the viewing center they will just follow them and rob them outside the center.
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Violence in gambling is still there; it will still be reoccurring from time to time. There's no way in a week, there won't be any cases of gambling violence all over the world. Gambling violence may not be happening where you are, but that doesn't mean it's not happening in another place. There are other places where it happens that we are not aware of.
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Violence in gambling is still there; it will still be reoccurring from time to time. There's no way in a week, there won't be any cases of gambling violence all over the world. Gambling violence may not be happening where you are, but that doesn't mean it's not happening in another place. There are other places where it happens that we are not aware of.
The highest I've witnessed lately in gambling outlets and shops is gambler's having their usual intense arguments, I don't think I've observed any sort of physical violence in gambling outlets. But you're probably right, the fact it's not happening around us or we don't often see it popping up on the news doesn't mean it has been completely eradicated, it has only been drastically reduced but once jn a while, i believe it still occurs.
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As far as I know, there are no fights in the match arena because of losing gambling, mostly because of the lack of security in the sports room when the riots between supporters get out of control, that's where the chaos will occur, if people bet on sports online and they watch on TV or live streaming without having to come to the arena where the arena is usually a place for supporters, not gamblers
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...then I wondered if people still fight in viewing centres.
It still have, found something like that on social media, although you can't call it a fight but an argument between the fans from different teams, it was american football if i recall correctly.
Since the rise of gambling activities, it has become difficult for people to fight in sports viewing centres
It is only applicable those who choose to watch in TVs and on device's screen. But people watching on domes and arena are not exempted here, arguments turns to fights are still common.
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Violence in gambling is still there; it will still be reoccurring from time to time. There's no way in a week, there won't be any cases of gambling violence all over the world. Gambling violence may not be happening where you are, but that doesn't mean it's not happening in another place. There are other places where it happens that we are not aware of.
The highest I've witnessed lately in gambling outlets and shops is gambler's having their usual intense arguments, I don't think I've observed any sort of physical violence in gambling outlets. But you're probably right, the fact it's not happening around us or we don't often see it popping up on the news doesn't mean it has been completely eradicated, it has only been drastically reduced but once jn a while, i believe it still occurs.
I don't know the valid data, but I agree that there will be violence in gambling when the gambling is offline gambling, but if it is online I don't think there will be, there is only fraud from the casino.
You are also right, maybe we never see it in our environment, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen in other places. It's just that maybe there is no media that covers it or maybe the media is prohibited from making the atmosphere worse, because we know the casino has a lot of money.
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Alot of things about football and fan culture has evolved over the years. Alot has changed and these change and exposure has promoted mutual respect among fans supporting different clubs. Fans are now more tolerant than they used to be in the past when every match usually ends in confrontations and violence. Gambling may have contributed in distracting some gamblers from being aggressive always, but that's not the only reason.
There is currently an increased awareness about the need for fans and gamblers to put their emotions in check after every match or game. Obviously, these campaigns have really been a success because violence in viewing centers I know have reduced greatly. Fans are now more focused on having fun or making money from the matches they watch.
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I don't know the valid data, but I agree that there will be violence in gambling when the gambling is offline gambling, but if it is online I don't think there will be, there is only fraud from the casino.
You are also right, maybe we never see it in our environment, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen in other places. It's just that maybe there is no media that covers it or maybe the media is prohibited from making the atmosphere worse, because we know the casino has a lot of money.
Yeah the casinos are often very rich because they're the ones that benefit more from everyday gambling due to the house edge they've got over the gamblers.
But then again, there are casinos that aren't as rich as we actually think they are, there are casinos that are struggling to keep their equipments and system running adequately, and there are some that are struggling to pay their customers' winnings and there are those that are already on their way to bankruptcy and you'd never know.
Speaking of fraud casinos, that's why you see some casinos attempting to play some fast one of their clients, like withholding of customers' winnings with claims of the customer's going against their ToS, this could be one of the possible reasons some casinos behave in that way.
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Violence in gambling is still there; it will still be reoccurring from time to time. There's no way in a week, there won't be any cases of gambling violence all over the world. Gambling violence may not be happening where you are, but that doesn't mean it's not happening in another place. There are other places where it happens that we are not aware of.
gambling violence is all over. the news can something just keep repeating and only the names of the people involved are different. however gambling violence in the viewing centers is very specific place for a crime. i bet there are lots of crimes related to betting or even just robbing someone in the viewing center back in the days when there are yet no cameras installed.
same in our stadium here, we often caught students bullying the weak students but after cameras were installed and some bullies called out for what they did, they move their business somewhere else. therefore the viewing center criminals are still walking free they are just not robbing there anymore.
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I don't know the valid data, but I agree that there will be violence in gambling when the gambling is offline gambling, but if it is online I don't think there will be, there is only fraud from the casino.
You are also right, maybe we never see it in our environment, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen in other places. It's just that maybe there is no media that covers it or maybe the media is prohibited from making the atmosphere worse, because we know the casino has a lot of money.
Yeah the casinos are often very rich because they're the ones that benefit more from everyday gambling due to the house edge they've got over the gamblers.
But then again, there are casinos that aren't as rich as we actually think they are, there are casinos that are struggling to keep their equipments and system running adequately, and there are some that are struggling to pay their customers' winnings and there are those that are already on their way to bankruptcy and you'd never know.
Speaking of fraud casinos, that's why you see some casinos attempting to play some fast one of their clients, like withholding of customers' winnings with claims of the customer's going against their ToS, this could be one of the possible reasons some casinos behave in that way.
That's right, because there are many casinos that end up being scams because they no longer have money or they intend to cheat from the start.
There are many cases where casinos do withhold winnings from their users, but in some cases I see that the casinos do have a strong reason. I think I have seen many on the forums claiming that the casino has cheated them, while they have no authentic evidence, and if they don't have evidence I believe the casino more why they freeze the user's account.
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There are many cases where casinos do withhold winnings from their users, but in some cases I see that the casinos do have a strong reason. I think I have seen many on the forums claiming that the casino has cheated them, while they have no authentic evidence, and if they don't have evidence I believe the casino more why they freeze the user's account.
Usually, casinos should have a good reason to why they would decide to freeze their customer’s account or decide to withhold their funds. Sometimes, some of these casino’s intentionally include these things in their ToS knowing fully well not everyone usually have the luxury of going through those long texts. For example rules and guidelines concerning bonus usage and stuffs like that, they’ll only tell you you’re entitled to a bonus without really explaining how one should use the bonuses, and when the player uses the bonuses to play like normal deposits and eventually wins, that’s when you’ll get the full gist after your funds have been seized and when you try to contact them, they’ll already have a good reason to why they did that and then the player feels helpless because it was indeed his fault for not really going through the TOS.
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There are many cases where casinos do withhold winnings from their users, but in some cases I see that the casinos do have a strong reason. I think I have seen many on the forums claiming that the casino has cheated them, while they have no authentic evidence, and if they don't have evidence I believe the casino more why they freeze the user's account.
Usually, casinos should have a good reason to why they would decide to freeze their customer’s account or decide to withhold their funds. Sometimes, some of these casino’s intentionally include these things in their ToS knowing fully well not everyone usually have the luxury of going through those long texts. For example rules and guidelines concerning bonus usage and stuffs like that, they’ll only tell you you’re entitled to a bonus without really explaining how one should use the bonuses, and when the player uses the bonuses to play like normal deposits and eventually wins, that’s when you’ll get the full gist after your funds have been seized and when you try to contact them, they’ll already have a good reason to why they did that and then the player feels helpless because it was indeed his fault for not really going through the TOS.
Well, this is something that is usually found when users complain, yes they do not read the casino's terms and conditions completely. So this is their negligence.
I think all casinos have their own terms and conditions, although in general they are usually the same, but there are important points that usually differentiate them. So as users, we must also be careful in understanding or reading the terms and conditions that apply in the casino.
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Well, this is something that is usually found when users complain, yes they do not read the casino's terms and conditions completely. So this is their negligence.
I think all casinos have their own terms and conditions, although in general they are usually the same, but there are important points that usually differentiate them. So as users, we must also be careful in understanding or reading the terms and conditions that apply in the casino.
Well all casinos’ terms of service may be similar but that doesn’t necessarily mean they’re the same and it’ll be wrong for users to assume that there’s no point going through the terms and cons of the casino because these things are there to guide the gamblers on how to use the casino without defaulting or making mistakes that may likely result to punishment.
That way, the gambler would be confident to question the casino should eventually the casino decides to behave in a manner that he views to be improper or violates his rights of usage.
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Well, this is something that is usually found when users complain, yes they do not read the casino's terms and conditions completely. So this is their negligence.
I think all casinos have their own terms and conditions, although in general they are usually the same, but there are important points that usually differentiate them. So as users, we must also be careful in understanding or reading the terms and conditions that apply in the casino.
Well all casinos’ terms of service may be similar but that doesn’t necessarily mean they’re the same and it’ll be wrong for users to assume that there’s no point going through the terms and cons of the casino because these things are there to guide the gamblers on how to use the casino without defaulting or making mistakes that may likely result to punishment.
That way, the gambler would be confident to question the casino should eventually the casino decides to behave in a manner that he views to be improper or violates his rights of usage.
Yes, that's why I said there are points that will have differences. For example, in the minimum withdrawal, some casinos have their own minimum withdrawal, so this is one example of the different points that casinos have.
So, we are required to make sure that we understand everything, including the applicable terms and conditions. Don't let that make us have to feel something unwanted in the end.
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Well all casinos’ terms of service may be similar but that doesn’t necessarily mean they’re the same and it’ll be wrong for users to assume that there’s no point going through the terms and cons of the casino because these things are there to guide the gamblers on how to use the casino without defaulting or making mistakes that may likely result to punishment.
That way, the gambler would be confident to question the casino should eventually the casino decides to behave in a manner that he views to be improper or violates his rights of usage.
In order to avoid breaking any rules that could impact withdrawals, it is crucial to read through a casino's terms and conditions before placing any bets. For those who are looking for money, the excitement of playing at a casino lies in the possibility of winning and then being able to take their winnings out. When it is difficult to withdraw the money, the gambler becomes frustrated and loses the happiness he experienced after winning.
The majority of these issues arise when bonuses are offered, and when a player is unaware of the requirements for using the bonus, he fails to make the most of it. For this reason, it is always necessary to review the terms and conditions of a casino. Older players are also expected to occasionally review the rules because they are subject to change.
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The majority of these issues arise when bonuses are offered, and when a player is unaware of the requirements for using the bonus, he fails to make the most of it. For this reason, it is always necessary to review the terms and conditions of a casino. Older players are also expected to occasionally review the rules because they are subject to change.
This just reminds me of an experience a friend of mine had a certain time with an online casino, he signed up on the casino and received a $200 bonus, failing to read about the terms of the bonus usage, he went ahead to stake with the bonus and won over $1,000, but when he tried withdrawing, the system wouldn’t let him. And when he complained and contacted the customer assistance, it was then they told him he needed to make up to $10,000 with the bonus, before he’ll be able to withdraw it. He was so pissed and deleted his account with the casino.
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I would definitely be avoiding these kind of people especially if I see them in the Sports viewing center. So if there is a option no to go in the viewing center like staying at home and just use my phone to bet on the sports I'm into then online gambling is my first choice.
the worrying thing is that you will not be able to sort out these types of people from a crowd of crazy and loud sports fan one minute you could just be talking to them arguing good naturedly about the sport then the next minute they could suddenly go all violent and cause you harm there is always danger wherever you go no matter how much you think you are protected
Dangerous guys, the bullies often watch the ones they can bully and remembers them because they are easy prey. Maybe it's for money that if these dangerous guys loses money they'd look for someone.
definitely people like this can't be triggered by losing especially if money is involved they should be the ones to stay at home if they cant control their emotions and reactions
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In recent times mostly in this season the violent has started again. As I said this is caused mostly by cult groups. Two opposing cult group members in the viewing centers caused those violents. But cult activities are reducing this days so the violent is also reducing but recently because of football argument in Uganda, Arsenal fans killed Manchester United fans. But such violents were rampage in those days of 2004 upward.
And if you are in a viewing centers and you notice such argument then just leave the place because they will use you to count scores.
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Voted No. Unless these fans watch games and bets online, I just couldn't find a positive correlation between gambling and violence. If anything, There's a higher likelihood that the rise of gambling activities would also increase the cases of violence. Fans are already emotional when their favorite team is losing, they could be even more emotional at the thought of losing their bet.
The decrease in violence could be due to improved security and other reasons.
You are getting it wrong the poster is only trying to make people know that with the rise in gambling activities there has been less of violence related to football teams and to an extent even in the society he finds himself because allot of youths who where into coursing of problems with the way they supported their teams has channeled that energy into making money by betting on their teams so if their teams fails to win they will not be thinking of attacking people, and this is true to a large extent as I have also observed it in my environment betting has really changed the mentality of allot of people concerning the way they use to support and take matter's on top their head when ever any one talk bad about their teams
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For me no, people here still love their teams a lot, and fights can still happen in viewing centers, especially during big games. Gambling hasn’t stopped it. Even if some people bet on games, most of them still care about their team more. So yeah, while gambling changes things a bit, it hasn’t fully stopped the fights.
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Never understood how can people be so temperamental to start a fight because someone talked bad about team you like. As if cursing or beating other teams fan would make any help for your team to win. I understand if someone starts a fight to protect family member or someone who is weak. But to start a fight because your team has lost.
Now on the topic. Shouldnt raise of gambling do opposite, increase violence ? I dont have any stats, but I think that people lose more bets and money than win. Whenever a person looses money, he isnt happy about that. Increase of gambling should me more money lost and that would increase the amount of unhappy and angry customers, ready to release their anger any second on any object or person. This should lead to two parties (those who won money and their team won, and those who have lost) conflict in sports viewing center. But, like I've said above, there is no reason for that, as violence wont return money or could make games final result different.
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Increase of gambling activities has nothing to do with the decline of such acts, probably people are now watching everything in their palm after the evolution of internet and live streaming so chances of gathering much people in a place reduced a lot.
However there's misconception that says people who gamble involve in violence activities like when they lose they might attack the opposition fans or destroy some public properties but those are just spread from few occurrence of individuals losing temper.
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Increase of gambling activities has nothing to do with the decline of such acts, probably people are now watching everything in their palm after the evolution of internet and live streaming so chances of gathering much people in a place reduced a lot.
It depends on the neighborhood. In some neighborhoods, people still gather in a viewing center to watch football games. Also, some people can only enjoy watching football in a viewing center due to the banter and arguments that are common there. People are different, and even though I have not seen this recently, they can engage in a serious exchange of words.
However there's misconception that says people who gamble involve in violence activities like when they lose they might attack the opposition fans or destroy some public properties but those are just spread from few occurrence of individuals losing temper.
I believe that people attack others not because they lost money at gambling, but because of their inherent nature. Any non-hostile gambler will not show hostility even if he loses at gambling because it is not in his nature. Anger can only bring out an innate character; it does not create a new character.
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Increase of gambling activities has nothing to do with the decline of such acts, probably people are now watching everything in their palm after the evolution of internet and live streaming so chances of gathering much people in a place reduced a lot.
However there's misconception that says people who gamble involve in violence activities like when they lose they might attack the opposition fans or destroy some public properties but those are just spread from few occurrence of individuals losing temper.
You are right because today people sit comfortable at home with their device to watch whatever match or events they feels like watching without much gathering, or being much clustered in a particular house for the purpose of watching football or any event while the technology today has made it easier for us to be at our comfort zone and view whatever event or shows we would want.
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You are right because today people sit comfortable at home with their device to watch whatever match or events they feels like watching without much gathering, or being much clustered in a particular house for the purpose of watching football or any event while the technology today has made it easier for us to be at our comfort zone and view whatever event or shows we would want.
Those are people who doesn't have much time to spend outside and those who want to bet (probably). But you can sill see that there are still more people who want to spend their time on such events, especially football league competitions on countries where football is so popular the same as NBA in the US.
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You are right because today people sit comfortable at home with their device to watch whatever match or events they feels like watching without much gathering, or being much clustered in a particular house for the purpose of watching football or any event while the technology today has made it easier for us to be at our comfort zone and view whatever event or shows we would want.
Those are people who doesn't have much time to spend outside and those who want to bet (probably). But you can sill see that there are still more people who want to spend their time on such events, especially football league competitions on countries where football is so popular the same as NBA in the US.
For the live events which they do feature from either US or England (or any other places) are those who can easily go for the live matches to just watch without placing bet on them, and of course there are some reputable people who goes to such places to while away their time maybe if they are on vacation or maybe during festive season they may decides to go for that but, to place bet where the public would have to notice them is nothing they can't do either.
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You are right because today people sit comfortable at home with their device to watch whatever match or events they feels like watching without much gathering, or being much clustered in a particular house for the purpose of watching football or any event while the technology today has made it easier for us to be at our comfort zone and view whatever event or shows we would want.
When it comes to sports, it is always more fun to watch with other fans. I do not think diehard sports fans get excited by watching games alone in their comfort zone. Most people prefer to watch the game with others because it creates a unique atmosphere.
Personally, when I want to watch a football game involving my team, I either invite friends over to my house to watch with me or go to a sit-out joint and enjoy the game with others. The praise and criticism from fans and rival fans add to the game's entertainment value.
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You are right because today people sit comfortable at home with their device to watch whatever match or events they feels like watching without much gathering, or being much clustered in a particular house for the purpose of watching football or any event while the technology today has made it easier for us to be at our comfort zone and view whatever event or shows we would want.
When it comes to sports, it is always more fun to watch with other fans. I do not think diehard sports fans get excited by watching games alone in their comfort zone. Most people prefer to watch the game with others because it creates a unique atmosphere.
Personally, when I want to watch a football game involving my team, I either invite friends over to my house to watch with me or go to a sit-out joint and enjoy the game with others. The praise and criticism from fans and rival fans add to the game's entertainment value.
watching football game alone is actually boring me me because football is about passion and emotions so allot of people find it hard to be alone when watching their favorite them because people actually share ideas and discuss about their teams and even throw shade at each other while watching game with friends or viewing centers and I personally think that is what brings fun and excitement among friends.
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You are right because today people sit comfortable at home with their device to watch whatever match or events they feels like watching without much gathering, or being much clustered in a particular house for the purpose of watching football or any event while the technology today has made it easier for us to be at our comfort zone and view whatever event or shows we would want.
When it comes to sports, it is always more fun to watch with other fans. I do not think diehard sports fans get excited by watching games alone in their comfort zone. Most people prefer to watch the game with others because it creates a unique atmosphere.
Personally, when I want to watch a football game involving my team, I either invite friends over to my house to watch with me or go to a sit-out joint and enjoy the game with others. The praise and criticism from fans and rival fans add to the game's entertainment value.
If there is a small sports event, I watch it alone, but if there is a big sports event, I enjoy it more with my friends. When we all enjoy sports together, it increases the joy. In recent times, as devices are sufficient and portable, many can enjoy sports from anywhere, but to get real joy, if there is a group of friends, then I can definitely say that there will be more excitement if you sit together and watch it. However, it may not be the same for everyone because it cannot be said that everyone will have many friends.
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I had a flashback of when my friend was stabbed in a viewing centre by a rival fan and then I wondered if people still fight in viewing centres. I couldn’t get any recent cases of violence in viewing centres and in my thinking, one of the reasons is the rise of gambling activities. The last time I witnessed fighting in a sports viewing centre was April 24th 2012 in a Champions League match between Barcelona and Chelsea. That game ended in a 2-2 draw.
The exposure and commitments of players in the gambling industry is actually ought to reign friendly conducts of fans amidst a term or argument probably... At the viewing centres because of we can tolerate and let go off our losts funds in the casino houses, we should also be able to let go violence at any course of rival fans engaging in arguments but this has not come to an end yet because about 2-3 months ago. I read about a news where either an Arsenal or Manchester United fan killed the other due to overreaction of the other whose club won the match.
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You are right because today people sit comfortable at home with their device to watch whatever match or events they feels like watching without much gathering, or being much clustered in a particular house for the purpose of watching football or any event while the technology today has made it easier for us to be at our comfort zone and view whatever event or shows we would want.
When it comes to sports, it is always more fun to watch with other fans. I do not think diehard sports fans get excited by watching games alone in their comfort zone. Most people prefer to watch the game with others because it creates a unique atmosphere.
Personally, when I want to watch a football game involving my team, I either invite friends over to my house to watch with me or go to a sit-out joint and enjoy the game with others. The praise and criticism from fans and rival fans add to the game's entertainment value.
It depends on individuals because going out to sit with friends or joining the crowd is somewhat risky as well because similar case has led to the killing of other fan maybe due to the aggressiveness of what he has lost in gambling made him to react negatively to hurt the opposite fan. I am sure this came up not barely 2 months now, so if you must watch with people out there it should be that any form of argument are being avoided to maintain peaceful moment with the opposite fan if at all you must watch with crowd.
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It depends on individuals because going out to sit with friends or joining the crowd is somewhat risky as well because similar case has led to the killing of other fan maybe due to the aggressiveness of what he has lost in gambling made him to react negatively to hurt the opposite fan. I am sure this came up not barely 2 months now, so if you must watch with people out there it should be that any form of argument are being avoided to maintain peaceful moment with the opposite fan if at all you must watch with crowd.
i like staying in because it is a lot more comfortable but there shouldn’t be a scare of violence and harm when going out and joining fellow fans just because you guys might get into an argument yes as fans we will agree and disagree with each other but neither things should lead to the killing of one another and that should never be an option in anything not just gambling.
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i like staying in because it is a lot more comfortable but there shouldn’t be a scare of violence and harm when going out and joining fellow fans just because you guys might get into an argument yes as fans we will agree and disagree with each other but neither things should lead to the killing of one another and that should never be an option in anything not just gambling.
It is possible to accept people’s decision and perspective in a particular matter without the feeling of vulnerability. Being a fan should mean being in a community where people unite under the banner of their love for something, and appreciate one another. To keep the environment clean, it is everyone’s business and does not necessarily have to begin with directly correcting the other individual’s actions, or shaming them for their wrong deeds. In this case, then, building a positive attitude means ensuring that staff come to work in a relaxed environment that welcomes, protects, and cherishes them.
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To football fans it's now business before pleasure. Even if your favourite team is loosing as long as your betting ticket is going as planned then there's no problem.
Prior to this time viewing centres experienced lots of aggression from aggrieved members. But the advent of sports betting has mitigated such aggression.
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To football fans it's now business before pleasure. Even if your favourite team is loosing as long as your betting ticket is going as planned then there's no problem.
Prior to this time viewing centres experienced lots of aggression from aggrieved members. But the advent of sports betting has mitigated such aggression.
watching a football match is an experience that gives people back the feeling that the football match is a shared experience. But when, for instance, the business element enters the sphere of sports it might be viewed as the shift towards building more controlled and systematic realities. Here, legal sports betting in particular can and should be conceived as a fresh approach to engaging with the game. But it is necessary for us to preserve the spirit of the sporting events is also being friendly and enjoyable responsibility. Football is also about storeys that created during the match, but it’s not all about the triumph in the end. I feel we have to keep up this spirit so that the sports can still remain a platform that fosters dreams besides uniting people with other.