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Title: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: KryptoBull on March 05, 2024, 01:20:00 AM
BTC is no longer just a new asset in the financial market, BTC has been widely accepted and entered national reserves. Currently, the US holds 207,189 BTC[1] seized from criminals. At the present time, this amount of BTC is worth about 14B USD, a huge amount of money, making the US government the independent entity holding the most BTC, surpassing MicroStrategy with 193K BTC. And we can consider the US government as a big whale in the market, as each of its actions can create waves for the crypto market.

The US government recently made headlines in the crypto world by transferring 15085 BTC ~ 922M USD. This move coincided with the time BTC reached 60K USD, raising speculation about the US government's profit-taking strategy[2].

(https://talkimg.com/images/2024/03/05/y6PaT.png)

The last time, in July 2023, the US government transferred 9800 BTC ~ 300M USD and then we saw an 18% decline in BTC price from 30K USD to 25K USD[3]. This time, the community is also worried even though the BTC price has reached 68.5K BTC and is approaching ATH 2021.

(https://www.tradingview.com/x/6fPUXeTc/)

Personally, I believe that the US government has a reason to take profits because they do not need to prove diamond hands. Their purpose is just to effectively handle the assets confiscated from criminals. The current price of BTC is attractive enough for them to sell and add to the national budget.

At the same time, I also believe that with the positivity in price fluctuations and the optimism of investor sentiment, this liquidation worth 1B USD from the US government will not cause any negative impact on the increasing momentum of BTC price as well as the crypto market. FTX sold 1B USD worth of GBTC in January[4] and Genesis is selling 1.3B USD worth of GBTC [5] also with no significant impact on BTC price. Therefore, I believe that in the context of the market being extremely excited and the daily BTC trading volume reaching up to 70B USD, the selling force of 1B USD from the US government, if any, is not worth our concern.

I would like to know your views on the possibility of selling 1B USD worth of BTC from the US government:

References:
[1] Countries & Governments that Own Bitcoin (https://bitcointreasuries.com/)
[2] US gov’t moved $922 million of seized Bitcoin after BTC price broke $60,000 (https://cointelegraph.com/news/u-s-gov-moves-922-million-seized-bitcoin)
[3] US Government Transfers $300 Million Worth of Seized Silk Road Bitcoins (https://news.bitcoin.com/us-government-transfers-300-million-worth-of-seized-silk-road-bitcoins/)
[4] FTX Sold About $1B of Grayscale's Bitcoin ETF, Explaining Much of Outflow: Sources (https://www.coindesk.com/business/2024/01/22/ftx-sold-about-1b-of-grayscales-bitcoin-etf-explaining-much-of-outflow-sources/)
[5] Genesis Cleared to Sell GBTC Shares Worth $1.3 Billion (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-02-14/genesis-cleared-by-court-to-sell-gbtc-shares-worth-1-3-billion)

Note:

Update 2024.04.03:
In a major cryptocurrency move, the U.S. government transferred 30,175 bitcoins (valued at around $2 billion) to a wallet associated with Coinbase.

Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: TomPluz on March 05, 2024, 05:18:53 AM
Generally, I am not worried a bit with the US government selling their Bitcoin portfolio...in fact I think this is the best time for the government to sell them all so they will not anymore be a "whale" that can manipulate the price of BTC in the market. Why am I not worried? Because there is now a supply crisis with Bitcoin. Buyers will soon be complaining that they have no BTC to buy as surely the demand will continue to surge while sellers will be shrinking.

1. Do you think the US government is about to sell 15,085 BTC?
I think they should as the price is really great. The government actually never invested any money with the BTC they are holding. This is the right timing as the market can easily absorb even all the Bitcoin they are holding.

2. Will this event have a negative impact on BTC and the entire crypto market?
There can be a slight correction that can happen in case the government will finally let go a green light to sell a part of its BTC holding but eventually Bitcoin will bounce back with even bigger vengeance. Soon, a new ATH will be made by Bitcoin and this is going to be a big history...and there can be a fuel for more towards the $100K zone.

3. Are you worried and changed your investment strategy because of this event?
No, there is no need for that. Instead, one must do is to do nothing. Unless, of course, if one is trading because that can be a different story. For other people, just like me, who are simply holders, we should just watch and see the numbers for Bitcoin go up, up and away. Still, though, we must be aware of things and be watchful for developments.







Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: MrSpasybo on March 05, 2024, 06:23:11 PM
At the same time, I also believe that with the positivity in price fluctuations and the optimism of investor sentiment, this liquidation worth 1B USD from the US government will not cause any negative impact on the increasing momentum of BTC price as well as the crypto market. FTX sold 1B USD worth of GBTC in January[4] and Genesis is selling 1.3B USD worth of GBTC [5] also with no significant impact on BTC price. Therefore, I believe that in the context of the market being extremely excited and the daily BTC trading volume reaching up to 70B USD, the selling force of 1B USD from the US government, if any, is not worth our concern.

I would like to know your views on the possibility of selling 1B USD worth of BTC from the US government:
  • Do you think the US government is about to sell 15,085 BTC?
  • Will this event have a negative impact on BTC and the entire crypto market?
  • Are you worried and changed your investment strategy because of this event?
1. These BTC are  national asset. If it is not absolutely necessary, the US government will not move BTC for fun. Their behavior of moving BTC is also very cautious: try transferring 1 BTC and then transfer the remaining amount to ensure safety. That shows everything is done thoughtfully with a clear purpose.

2. As topic owner stated, we are seeing an active market with $70B in volume per day for only BTC, this good liquidity is enough to ensure that BTC price will not be pushed down too much by selling pressure from $1B worth of BTC. The US is also the market with the best liquidity in the world, I believe that BTC and the crypto market will be safe.

3. I will continue to DCA BTC until halving, then will spend part of my capital to DCA a few more Altcoins. This plan remains unchanged, whether FTX, Genesis or the US government sells their BTC  8)
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: bitmover on March 05, 2024, 07:19:45 PM
BTC is no longer just a new asset in the financial market, BTC has been widely accepted and entered national reserves. Currently, the US holds 207,189 BTC[1] seized from criminals. At the present time, this amount of BTC is worth about 14B USD, a huge amount of money, making the US government the independent entity holding the most BTC, surpassing MicroStrategy with 193K BTC. And we can consider the US government as a big whale in the market, as each of its actions can create waves for the crypto market.


Nothing to worry about in my opinion.
Us government is just one more big player, a big whale

It can dump its coins , but this won't make a difference in the long run

Even USA tried to attack the network, like performing a 51% attack  , it would cost trillions of dollars and black-outs due to high energy cost.

Bitcoin is highly resistant to that continental attack.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: KryptoBull on March 08, 2024, 12:28:55 AM
Generally, I am not worried a bit with the US government selling their Bitcoin portfolio...in fact I think this is the best time for the government to sell them all so they will not anymore be a "whale" that can manipulate the price of BTC in the market. Why am I not worried? Because there is now a supply crisis with Bitcoin. Buyers will soon be complaining that they have no BTC to buy as surely the demand will continue to surge while sellers will be shrinking.

1. Do you think the US government is about to sell 15,085 BTC?
I think they should as the price is really great. The government actually never invested any money with the BTC they are holding. This is the right timing as the market can easily absorb even all the Bitcoin they are holding.

2. Will this event have a negative impact on BTC and the entire crypto market?
There can be a slight correction that can happen in case the government will finally let go a green light to sell a part of its BTC holding but eventually Bitcoin will bounce back with even bigger vengeance. Soon, a new ATH will be made by Bitcoin and this is going to be a big history...and there can be a fuel for more towards the $100K zone.

3. Are you worried and changed your investment strategy because of this event?
No, there is no need for that. Instead, one must do is to do nothing. Unless, of course, if one is trading because that can be a different story. For other people, just like me, who are simply holders, we should just watch and see the numbers for Bitcoin go up, up and away. Still, though, we must be aware of things and be watchful for developments.
I like your idea, maybe things would be better if the US government sold all their BTC and was no longer a worry to the market every time they moved BTC. However, I really think that if they sell all of the 200K+ BTC ~ 14B USD right now, the market could suffer a very negative impact, even BTC will need to re-accumulate for many more months to return to the growth trend instead of approaching 100K USD as we expect.

1. These BTC are  national asset. If it is not absolutely necessary, the US government will not move BTC for fun. Their behavior of moving BTC is also very cautious: try transferring 1 BTC and then transfer the remaining amount to ensure safety. That shows everything is done thoughtfully with a clear purpose.

2. As topic owner stated, we are seeing an active market with $70B in volume per day for only BTC, this good liquidity is enough to ensure that BTC price will not be pushed down too much by selling pressure from $1B worth of BTC. The US is also the market with the best liquidity in the world, I believe that BTC and the crypto market will be safe.

3. I will continue to DCA BTC until halving, then will spend part of my capital to DCA a few more Altcoins. This plan remains unchanged, whether FTX, Genesis or the US government sells their BTC  8)
Maybe right now they are selling BTC cleverly so as not to negatively affect the BTC price. We have seen BTC's quick recovery after retesting $59K. The market is still very positive and investors do not seem to be concerned or worried about this event. I hope that this is a good opportunity for Altcoins to get new cash flow and grow well, catching up with BTC's price performance.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: Faisal2202 on March 09, 2024, 06:54:58 PM
  • Do you think the US government is about to sell 15,085 BTC?
  • Will this event have a negative impact on BTC and the entire crypto market?
  • Are you worried and changed your investment strategy because of this event?
1. Of course they will sell these BTC, but why would they not, they are making a good profit, and according to law, if these funds are seized then there must be some timeline for the authorities to clear these funds. And considering that, I don't think they have the luxury to wait for a better price to sell the BTC.
2. I don't think this event will have negative impact on BTC, because currently the market is so soaking, and I think this amount will be soaked by the consumers as well, as new comers are mostly newbies, and buying BTC, plus there are ETFs not, market has expanded, and there is a chance that, these 11 ETFs might buy these BTC via OTC, if they did then we might not see any dump as well.
3. Nah, I did not know about this until this post, and my strategy remain the same.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: yahoo62278 on March 09, 2024, 07:01:35 PM
They're crooked, plain and simple. All politicians are!!! You don't really expect them to hold funds that they seize forever do you? When the police make a drug bust and seize assets, they sell them in a police auction. Just the way things are.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: KryptoBull on March 12, 2024, 01:40:51 AM
1. Of course they will sell these BTC, but why would they not, they are making a good profit, and according to law, if these funds are seized then there must be some timeline for the authorities to clear these funds. And considering that, I don't think they have the luxury to wait for a better price to sell the BTC.
2. I don't think this event will have negative impact on BTC, because currently the market is so soaking, and I think this amount will be soaked by the consumers as well, as new comers are mostly newbies, and buying BTC, plus there are ETFs not, market has expanded, and there is a chance that, these 11 ETFs might buy these BTC via OTC, if they did then we might not see any dump as well.
3. Nah, I did not know about this until this post, and my strategy remain the same.
With a huge trading volume of around 60 - 70B USD per day, I hope if the US government really sells BTC from their budget, the price of BTC will not be affected. BTC price should naturally adjust to retest important price zones below to continue to grow stronger in the future instead of being negatively affected by a huge selling force that exceeds the market liquidity at that time.

I like your steadfastness in investment thinking, wish you will receive many profits with diamond hands.

They're crooked, plain and simple. All politicians are!!! You don't really expect them to hold funds that they seize forever do you? When the police make a drug bust and seize assets, they sell them in a police auction. Just the way things are.
If they only sold about 1B USD worth of BTC, I would forgive them.
If they want to sell all 14B USD now to dump BTC price, I think I will not hesitate to blame any negative fluctuations on the BTC price chart on them, even in the next seasons in future  ;D
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: bounceback on March 12, 2024, 04:44:26 AM
Looking current bitcoin price and easily raise the new all time high price I don't worry with the United State government moving many bitcoin assets because bitcoin keep in the positive trend going up to the higher price.
Not significant impact yet with US government moving he bitcoin assets because not try to sell bitcoin because its the proof for many criminal cases,
I think the US government keep hold their bitcoin assets taken from criminal case until for long term without get regulation for selling it, don't worry and keep hold bitcoin as long possibility until halving time and bitcoin price raise to $100k.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: God Of Thunder on March 12, 2024, 09:59:56 AM
At first, I was worried when I heard that the US government moved Bitcoins, and I thought they would dump them on some exchange. Since I wasn't aware of the source of those funds and what procedure they would have to follow to dump them, it was obvious why I was expecting them to sell those Bitcoins. But Yesterday, I found a post by Stompix, and his post makes sense.

Guys, there is no danger of those coins hitting the exchanges soon!
Those coins are from the Bitfinex hack and the DoJ will not release them nor will they auction it until Bitfinex settles the claims with their clients, after the hack the victims agreed to a  plan taking 30% losses and getting paid in tokens,  they want now their coins back, and no federal agency will return a seized good or commodity or anything else when there is not  clear owner of the funds and no lawsuit regarding it.

So those coins will be stuck there for years to come much as MtGox!
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: Lucius on March 12, 2024, 06:21:12 PM
The sooner the US sells all the BTC it has, the better for everyone - because some interpret it in a completely wrong way in the sense that they will keep it, and their attitude towards Bitcoin is still negative despite everything. Of course, they don't mind Bitcoin as an asset that generates profit, but rather as a currency that could have an impact on their national currency.

I am more concerned that Bitcoin is somehow more and more dependent on one country, whether it is mining, the amount owned by their funds and companies, or what their current or future president will say on the subject.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: tranthidung on March 13, 2024, 02:45:58 AM
Nothing to worry about in my opinion.
Us government is just one more big player, a big whale

It can dump its coins , but this won't make a difference in the long run
Bitcoin market now is bigger than itself in the past. With bigger trading volume, it can be well even the US government dumps its bitcoins.

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Even USA tried to attack the network, like performing a 51% attack  , it would cost trillions of dollars and black-outs due to high energy cost.

Bitcoin is highly resistant to that continental attack.
The cost is huge and benefit is small, does not last long.

How many Bitcoin confirmations is enough? (https://blog.lopp.net/how-many-bitcoin-confirmations-is-enough/)
Bitcoin confirmation risk calculator (https://jlopp.github.io/bitcoin-confirmation-risk-calculator/)

I am more concerned that Bitcoin is somehow more and more dependent on one country, whether it is mining, the amount owned by their funds and companies, or what their current or future president will say on the subject.
If Bitcoin miners can have a Great Migration from China, they can do the same to migrate out of the USA.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: retreat on March 13, 2024, 03:31:15 AM
As long as they don't hold more than 50% of the Bitcoin supply, I wouldn't worry about it. Because if they plan to sell the Bitcoins in their hands, then there will be people who are ready to accept the Bitcoins. Even though this will trigger a slight price change, it will not trigger investor panic because the supply is not that much compared to Bitcoin held by other entities.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: joniboini on March 13, 2024, 11:35:01 AM
As long as they don't hold more than 50% of the Bitcoin supply, I wouldn't worry about it.
Why specifically 50% though? Are you referring to 51% as mentioned above, or are you suggesting that if they have more than 50% of BTC supply they can manipulate the spot market whenever they want to? If it is the latter, I'm pretty sure some people already did that with way less supply, as long as they have a good amount of money to pay media to say stuff (either to hype retail or scare the shit out of them). I can already imagine some headlines that will come when the government holds 10% or more supply, or vice versa. If you care about long-term gains then you should be prepared from years ago, considering how the cycle works.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: 0t3p0t on March 13, 2024, 12:06:12 PM
1. Do you think the US government is about to sell 15,085 BTC?
2. Will this event have a negative impact on BTC and the entire crypto market?
3. Are you worried and changed your investment strategy because of this event?
1. Yeah, they will sell it as usual.
2. Maybe slight impact but that will surely be consumed and added to bags of big time investors that is only waiting for opportunities in the market.
3. I am personally not worried about this because I am a long term holder.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: Lucius on March 13, 2024, 04:38:59 PM
~snip~
If Bitcoin miners can have a Great Migration from China, they can do the same to migrate out of the USA.


It is possible, of course, but the question is to migrate where? If the US were to put crypto mining on some sort of blacklist, do you think other countries wouldn't follow that example? There are also political-environmental groups in the EU that consider crypto mining bad, so we can't count on hospitality there - and besides, electricity is quite expensive in that part of the world.

China is out of the question, and probably neither is Russia, given that they are practically at war with half the world.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: KryptoBull on March 15, 2024, 09:05:02 PM
1. Yeah, they will sell it as usual.
2. Maybe slight impact but that will surely be consumed and added to bags of big time investors that is only waiting for opportunities in the market.
3. I am personally not worried about this because I am a long term holder.
I hope that if the US government actually moves BTC to liquidate, the market will not suffer too much negative impact. Today BTC has retested 66K USD and caused many investors to panic, I do not know the reason, hopefully not because of the event related to BTC from the US government.

The good liquidity of the market at this time is probably enough to absorb that selling pressure easily, many investors are also waiting for the market to adjust to accumulate more BTC for their portfolio. If the US government doesn't want to hold BTC, other diamond hands will hold!
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: armanda90 on March 15, 2024, 09:35:06 PM
Have been more two weeks with US government moving bitcoin assets but not get bad side of bitcoin keep in the higher price, but today large correction seems not the impact with transaction moving bitcoin made by US government last two weeks ago. I think if bitcoin US government assets just moving only from one wallet to other wallet its not much problem and can't make bad impact with bitcoin price will drop drastically.
I think bad if US government moving their bitcoin assets from wallet to exchange wallet and sell it there have large impact with bitcoin price drop significant.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: Stompix on March 15, 2024, 09:58:49 PM
~snip~
If Bitcoin miners can have a Great Migration from China, they can do the same to migrate out of the USA.


It is possible, of course, but the question is to migrate where? I

Even if it's not about the laws, it's a problem with capacity!
You can have Buekele brag about mining how much he wants but all of the potential capacity of energy in Salvador even if used only for Bitcoin mining will be just a drop in the bucket.

If the US chases miners away in another way (the tax won't) there are 3 possible destination with energy to spare
Russia, Canada, Brazil.
-Russia is how it is and no way companies listed on the Nasdaq would move there
-Canada will probably follow the US decision in a heartbeat
-which leaves Brazil, with the mention that a lot of that extra power comes in cycles, so...

As long as they don't hold more than 50% of the Bitcoin supply, I wouldn't worry about it. Because if they plan to sell the Bitcoins in their hands, then there will be people who are ready to accept the Bitcoins.

Bitcoin is PoW not PoS, holding 40% or 60% of coins makes no difference.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: UNIVERSE on March 15, 2024, 11:21:52 PM
Have been more two weeks with US government moving bitcoin assets but not get bad side of bitcoin keep in the higher price, but today large correction seems not the impact with transaction moving bitcoin made by US government last two weeks ago. I think if bitcoin US government assets just moving only from one wallet to other wallet its not much problem and can't make bad impact with bitcoin price will drop drastically.
I think bad if US government moving their bitcoin assets from wallet to exchange wallet and sell it there have large impact with bitcoin price drop significant.
It seems like it doesn't have much of an impact on the market. In fact, Bitcoin's trend at that time was increasing, and the increase could actually be as significant as that. Indeed, there was quite a decline today, but that wasn't something that happened because of the news. yes, only a few market correction conditions.

However, it cannot be denied that various news from this country often has an impact on the market. FUD or positive news from them can make many people feel panicked about doing something. Yes, because they do have power, and they actually have that much.

So, actually it's not that surprising anymore. As long as we are able to mentally manage various bad things, and if most people can handle it without panicking easily, it actually won't have much of an impact. However, it might be different when the big holders do something for a more significant cause.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: Primo1760 on March 15, 2024, 11:29:58 PM
I would like to know your views on the possibility of selling 1B USD worth of BTC from the US government:
  • Do you think the US government is about to sell 15,085 BTC?
  • Will this event have a negative impact on BTC and the entire crypto market?
  • Are you worried and changed your investment strategy because of this event?
I'm not at all worried if the US government sells all its bitcoins because it's a trap of their own making. This event may have some morale impact due to which the market may fall slightly. We have seen the market go down a bit due to this at the moment but I am not at all worried about it as this has happened many times before. I am not selling my bitcoins I am continuing as I am and investing in the DCA method. A lot of people may be worried about this dumping right now but I'm not worried about them I know Bitcoin halving is not long and whatever dramatic events happen after the halving, the new ATH in the Bitcoin market will be created to end all dramatic events. To those who are going ahead with bitcoin investment don't look at all these dramas.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: Cryptsafe on March 16, 2024, 07:44:51 AM
I would like to know your views on the possibility of selling 1B USD worth of BTC from the US government:
  • Do you think the US government is about to sell 15,085 BTC?
  • Will this event have a negative impact on BTC and the entire crypto market?
  • Are you worried and changed your investment strategy because of this event?
I'm not at all worried if the US government sells all its bitcoins because it's a trap of their own making. This event may have some morale impact due to which the market may fall slightly. We have seen the market go down a bit due to this at the moment but I am not at all worried about it as this has happened many times before. I am not selling my bitcoins I am continuing as I am and investing in the DCA method. A lot of people may be worried about this dumping right now but I'm not worried about them I know Bitcoin halving is not long and whatever dramatic events happen after the halving, the new ATH in the Bitcoin market will be created to end all dramatic events. To those who are going ahead with bitcoin investment don't look at all these dramas.

Selling such volume of Bitcoin at the same time would definitely have impact on the Crypto market causing panic and price drop but this I believe would only be on a temporary basis. It will definitely bounce back with full force to a new all time high.

Truly the market is down as a result of their actions but it does not really bothers me as I already know how it works on Crypto space. So what is currently going on now is a price corrections I would see it as. Holding now is the only best option to ignore a panic and rush to sell your assets.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: Marlboro on March 16, 2024, 09:26:54 AM
don't believe the government will have a large amount of BTC, they haven't learned much about crypto and bitcoin, that's the reason they haven't legalized bitcoin until now..
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: robelneo on March 16, 2024, 12:08:23 PM


I would like to know your views on the possibility of selling 1B USD worth of BTC from the US government:
  • Do you think the US government is about to sell 15,085 BTC?
They will eventually sell these Bitcoin, they did not invest on the Bitcoin its confiscated so anytime they can sell that profit, the US government will and can continue to accumulate Bitcoin coming from breakers of their regulation, and they will keep on confiscating

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  • Will this event have a negative impact on BTC and the entire crypto market?
I don't think there's a huge impact, if ever it, not something that can bring down the market or cause negativity, there's always a taker

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  • Are you worried and changing your investment strategy because of this event?

No, I will continue my betting strategy the market should worry if Nakamoto moves his Bitcoin and dumps it in the market.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: Faisal2202 on March 16, 2024, 03:50:22 PM
With a huge trading volume of around 60 - 70B USD per day, I hope if the US government really sells BTC from their budget, the price of BTC will not be affected. BTC price should naturally adjust to retest important price zones below to continue to grow stronger in the future instead of being negatively affected by a huge selling force that exceeds the market liquidity at that time.

I like your steadfastness in investment thinking, wish you will receive many profits with diamond hands.
You are right about the trading volume and this is going to increase in the future and as you said if they sell the BTC amount it will be consumed by the market as well. Thanks for your words, I hope we all will receive good profit in BTC holdings. Although I am already making some but let's wait for the next ATH that BTC is going to set after halving.

All I am praying is, no bad news come that would disrupts this bullish trend, as market don't remain the same all time, if its bullish then a time will come it will be bearish and no one will even notice at first. As things in crypto happen so fast.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: Stompix on March 16, 2024, 05:59:28 PM
don't believe the government will have a large amount of BTC, they haven't learned much about crypto and bitcoin, that's the reason they haven't legalized bitcoin until now..

Stop underestimating governments!
I keep hearing this stuff and people think that the government is just some senile senators or some lunatic dictator who has no clue about technology!

Government means also the US Navy, they've developed the TOR protocol.
Government also means the NSA, they've developed sha-2, Bitcoin uses it as a hashing method for tx and blocks.

Governmental agencies have managed to take down dark markets, mixers, find stolen coins, track transactions, and issue laws and regulations, there are plenty of people working for those who have more knowledge about crypto than a lot of users here, so again, don't underestimate them.
Just because they are hostile doesn't mean they don't know how things work.





Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: Google+ on March 17, 2024, 11:26:38 AM
Stop underestimating governments!
I keep hearing this stuff and people think that the government is just some senile senators or some lunatic dictator who has no clue about technology!

Government means also the US Navy, they've developed the TOR protocol.
Government also means the NSA, they've developed sha-2, Bitcoin uses it as a hashing method for tx and blocks.

Governmental agencies have managed to take down dark markets, mixers, find stolen coins, track transactions, and issue laws and regulations, there are plenty of people working for those who have more knowledge about crypto than a lot of users here, so again, don't underestimate them.
Just because they are hostile doesn't mean they don't know how things work.
I agree with your statement and so far it makes sense that the government has started to get into cryptocurrency and contribute to upholding justice by providing restrictions as you have mentioned. Hopefully the contribution from the government can make digital currency transactions safer and free from criminal acts.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: Jating on March 17, 2024, 12:41:08 PM
don't believe the government will have a large amount of BTC, they haven't learned much about crypto and bitcoin, that's the reason they haven't legalized bitcoin until now..

I think it's obvious that they have learned a lot already, we've seen them legalized like Bukele of El Salvador, Japan and Germany and others as well are very open minded with regards to crypto and bitcoin. And majority is still in the middle, neither accepting or rejecting it and that's why majority of us are very much enjoying it. And if I'm not mistaken, those Bitcoin being held by US government are auctions at a cheap price and that's how some early adopters grow their stash as well, buying it less than premium price.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: Rubel007 on March 17, 2024, 05:31:18 PM
If the US government seized bitcoins form the scammer or terrorist  and tries to release those into the market, it's entirely up to them what they want to do. However, since the country has recently permitted ETF trading, it is not unusual for them to have a specific target. But as a big investor, they can have some influence in the market if they want. The government of any country strives for the overall development of their country. In that case, all the seized bitcoins must be released for the welfare of the country, not today but tomorrow. I'm not worried about that. Because we know that the amount of bitcoins is not more than the total supply of bitcoins. It is true that the demand for Bitcoin will increase over time.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: therozaq on March 17, 2024, 05:48:52 PM
don't believe the government will have a large amount of BTC, they haven't learned much about crypto and bitcoin, that's the reason they haven't legalized bitcoin until now..

I think it's obvious that they have learned a lot already, we've seen them legalized like Bukele of El Salvador, Japan and Germany and others as well are very open minded with regards to crypto and bitcoin. And majority is still in the middle, neither accepting or rejecting it and that's why majority of us are very much enjoying it. And if I'm not mistaken, those Bitcoin being held by US government are auctions at a cheap price and that's how some early adopters grow their stash as well, buying it less than premium price.

If bitcoin is auctioned at a ruby ​​price it will have a bad impact on the bitcoin market, although to be honest I don't care about the government that owns or auctions the bitcoin they own, but we as bitcoin holders also have to think about this if it has a bad effect on the crypto market .
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: armanda90 on March 17, 2024, 05:58:42 PM
If the US government seized bitcoins form the scammer or terrorist  and tries to release those into the market, it's entirely up to them what they want to do. However, since the country has recently permitted ETF trading, it is not unusual for them to have a specific target. But as a big investor, they can have some influence in the market if they want. The government of any country strives for the overall development of their country. In that case, all the seized bitcoins must be released for the welfare of the country, not today but tomorrow. I'm not worried about that. Because we know that the amount of bitcoins is not more than the total supply of bitcoins. It is true that the demand for Bitcoin will increase over time.
I don't think its possibility with US government moving the seized bitcoin from scammer or fraud activities for selling to the market, they hold for long term as evidence and never has ideas for selling it although the current bitcoin raise to the higher price. After few weeks ago US government moving bitcoin still not bigger impact with bitcoin price keep stable and not dump significant,
I don't have ideas until how long the US government will hold the evidence of bitcoin in their wallet not and not release yet to victim of scammer.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: MUGNIA on March 17, 2024, 10:26:37 PM
don't believe the government will have a large amount of BTC, they haven't learned much about crypto and bitcoin, that's the reason they haven't legalized bitcoin until now..

how  make you not believe? in fact it is governments and politics that have a lot of btc supply,
they don't know just pretend because they don't want to be embarrassed by the way they don't legalize btc,

there will be concerns if the government really sells their BTC, I can't imagine at what price they will drop BTC in the future, hopefully this will never happen because the bullrun is still in the stage
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: MRY on March 18, 2024, 10:21:55 PM
how  make you not believe? in fact it is governments and politics that have a lot of btc supply,
they don't know just pretend because they don't want to be embarrassed by the way they don't legalize btc,

there will be concerns if the government really sells their BTC, I can't imagine at what price they will drop BTC in the future, hopefully this will never happen because the bullrun is still in the stage
Exactly, they pretend not to care and don't like bitcoin, but in fact, with the money that is easy to get in the government, they also understand bitcoin and have a lot of bitcoin owned and stored in their private wallets, I believe that is because in the world of government the people in it are very intelligent people, especially those who manage state finances.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: Captain Corporate on March 18, 2024, 11:17:02 PM
They already do, its not like a new thing. They seized so much bitcoin from so many different sources and they cash them out time to time, nothing really changes. During the bear market if they sell people consider the drop in price is because they sold, the reality is that its the bear market and we drop for any reason at all, sometimes they sell at bull market and it doesn't eve nbudge downwards, why? Because we are dealing with nothing at all during bull and don't care. All in all, this doesn't really matter and it doesn't change much of us at all, we should be considering this quite normal.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: Trongduy on March 19, 2024, 06:47:13 PM
I would like to know your views on the possibility of selling 1B USD worth of BTC from the US government:
  • Do you think the US government is about to sell 15,085 BTC?
  • Will this event have a negative impact on BTC and the entire crypto market?
  • Are you worried and changed your investment strategy because of this event?
1. I think the US will sell. Usually, each time they move it, it's a sell-off. If they don't have this purpose, they won't move BTC.

2. 1 billion USD is also a big number. If the US sells massively in a few sessions, it's not sure if the market will absorb it completely. The BTC price may drop by 20-30%, but I think everything will soon balance out again.

3. I don't have any BTC yet. If the US sells and pushes the price down, I will also have the opportunity to buy some. Right now, focusing on waiting for the halving and then buying altcoins is also quite FOMO.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: EthereumDev_ on March 20, 2024, 11:48:00 AM
They already do, its not like a new thing. They seized so much bitcoin from so many different sources and they cash them out time to time, nothing really changes. During the bear market if they sell people consider the drop in price is because they sold, the reality is that its the bear market and we drop for any reason at all, sometimes they sell at bull market and it doesn't eve nbudge downwards, why? Because we are dealing with nothing at all during bull and don't care. All in all, this doesn't really matter and it doesn't change much of us at all, we should be considering this quite normal.
The US government is very strict in controlling its economy, but until now I know that the government does not limit the circulation of Bitcoin. In the US there are still many places that provide Bitcoin currency exchange. So I believe that bitcoin assets that move in very large amounts are personal or group assets that actually have very large amounts of bitcoin.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: therozaq on March 20, 2024, 01:46:24 PM
They already do, its not like a new thing. They seized so much bitcoin from so many different sources and they cash them out time to time, nothing really changes. During the bear market if they sell people consider the drop in price is because they sold, the reality is that its the bear market and we drop for any reason at all, sometimes they sell at bull market and it doesn't eve nbudge downwards, why? Because we are dealing with nothing at all during bull and don't care. All in all, this doesn't really matter and it doesn't change much of us at all, we should be considering this quite normal.
The US government is very strict in controlling its economy, but until now I know that the government does not limit the circulation of Bitcoin. In the US there are still many places that provide Bitcoin currency exchange. So I believe that bitcoin assets that move in very large amounts are personal or group assets that actually have very large amounts of bitcoin.

It could be that private assets that move in large amounts do not belong to the government, because I have not found any evidence that the assets in circulation belong to the government. But for me it doesn't matter, because bitcoin owners are spread almost all over the country.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: TopT3ns on March 21, 2024, 10:59:33 PM
It could be that private assets that move in large amounts do not belong to the government, because I have not found any evidence that the assets in circulation belong to the government. But for me it doesn't matter, because bitcoin owners are spread almost all over the country.
The government will of course continue to allow people to speculate that it is a wallet owned by the government with no evidence to support that the wallet is his. At least Bitcoin still has very strong support, including from the government.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: Stompix on March 22, 2024, 10:24:37 PM
I don't think its possibility with US government moving the seized bitcoin from scammer or fraud activities for selling to the market, they hold for long term as evidence and never has ideas for selling it although the current bitcoin raise to the higher price.

You don't believe things that have happened since 2014?
They have been doing this for a decade!!!!!
https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2014/07/01/us-marshals-one-auction-bidder-claimed-all-30000-silk-road-bitcoins/

It could be that private assets that move in large amounts do not belong to the government, because I have not found any evidence that the assets in circulation belong to the government. But for me it doesn't matter, because bitcoin owners are spread almost all over the country.
The government will of course continue to allow people to speculate that it is a wallet owned by the government with no evidence to support that the wallet is his. At least Bitcoin still has very strong support, including from the government.

No evidence?
There are court orders from the arrests and the seizure of the bitcoins!
What more do you want, the government signing messages from the addresses to show proof?

Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: KryptoBull on March 24, 2024, 11:24:13 PM
1. I think the US will sell. Usually, each time they move it, it's a sell-off. If they don't have this purpose, they won't move BTC.

2. 1 billion USD is also a big number. If the US sells massively in a few sessions, it's not sure if the market will absorb it completely. The BTC price may drop by 20-30%, but I think everything will soon balance out again.

3. I don't have any BTC yet. If the US sells and pushes the price down, I will also have the opportunity to buy some. Right now, focusing on waiting for the halving and then buying altcoins is also quite FOMO.
We still haven't had any updates on this issue, and it seems like that amount of BTC has not been deposited on CEXs for sale. All we have is anxiety and suspicion about the real purpose of the US government. I'm not too worried about the negative impact of their moving this BTC because we're in an uptrend, as long as we can sell crypto assets in the distribution zone before the market goes into a downtrend, the profit will still be ours.

I'm not waiting for the BTC price to go down to buy, I'm still DCAing BTC with my income. I think it helps me reduce stress, especially since thanks to DCAing throughout the crypto winter, I'm still in profit even though it's not as big as those who went all-in at the bottom price.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: pacar_tiri on March 27, 2024, 06:43:14 PM
1. I think the US will sell. Usually, each time they move it, it's a sell-off. If they don't have this purpose, they won't move BTC.

2. 1 billion USD is also a big number. If the US sells massively in a few sessions, it's not sure if the market will absorb it completely. The BTC price may drop by 20-30%, but I think everything will soon balance out again.

3. I don't have any BTC yet. If the US sells and pushes the price down, I will also have the opportunity to buy some. Right now, focusing on waiting for the halving and then buying altcoins is also quite FOMO.
We still haven't had any updates on this issue, and it seems like that amount of BTC has not been deposited on CEXs for sale. All we have is anxiety and suspicion about the real purpose of the US government. I'm not too worried about the negative impact of their moving this BTC because we're in an uptrend, as long as we can sell crypto assets in the distribution zone before the market goes into a downtrend, the profit will still be ours.

I'm not waiting for the BTC price to go down to buy, I'm still DCAing BTC with my income. I think it helps me reduce stress, especially since thanks to DCAing throughout the crypto winter, I'm still in profit even though it's not as big as those who went all-in at the bottom price.
So far no one knows when the Bitcoin price will collapse again and enter a bearish season again. However, as you have said, it is currently still in an uptrend because it will be approaching the halving which will make Bitcoin rise even higher because it will be increasingly difficult to get Bitcoin, but after halving, you should remain alert because there is the potential for collapse.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: ScamViruS on March 27, 2024, 06:52:56 PM
So far no one knows when the Bitcoin price will collapse again and enter a bearish season again. However, as you have said, it is currently still in an uptrend because it will be approaching the halving which will make Bitcoin rise even higher because it will be increasingly difficult to get Bitcoin, but after halving, you should remain alert because there is the potential for collapse.
History says Bitcoin makes major corrections before halving but it remains to be seen whether history will repeat itself before halving this time. The Bitcoin market is still very high which is still unpredictable to traders as a result of which there is still greed in the market and big investors are playing the market which is why we have not seen a big correction yet. Who knows, the market could suddenly repeat history and see a big correction, and traders must be prepared to avoid the unexpected.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: armanda90 on March 27, 2024, 07:08:23 PM
History says Bitcoin makes major corrections before halving but it remains to be seen whether history will repeat itself before halving this time. The Bitcoin market is still very high which is still unpredictable to traders as a result of which there is still greed in the market and big investors are playing the market which is why we have not seen a big correction yet. Who knows, the market could suddenly repeat history and see a big correction, and traders must be prepared to avoid the unexpected.
I think for investor need to prepare right now with huge correction few days left before or after halving, current market or bitcoin price too high right now although some people believing with bitcoin price will raise above $100k but keep sell half or few percent of assets before dropping. Market condition just take correction few percent only and seems stable with bitcoin price, I scared after halving moment all investor will sell their bitcoin during on higher price and make large correction for bitcoin after halving.
Not too late for selling few percent of assets before have bad possibilities after halving with bitcoin price will going drop and disappointed later.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: ScamViruS on March 27, 2024, 07:50:20 PM
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I think for investor need to prepare right now with huge correction few days left before or after halving, current market or bitcoin price too high right now although some people believing with bitcoin price will raise above $100k but keep sell half or few percent of assets before dropping. Market condition just take correction few percent only and seems stable with bitcoin price, I scared after halving moment all investor will sell their bitcoin during on higher price and make large correction for bitcoin after halving.
Not too late for selling few percent of assets before have bad possibilities after halving with bitcoin price will going drop and disappointed later.
It is very difficult to understand the movement of the market, now no one knows what the next movement of the market will be. Since market movement is difficult to understand, it is important to be prepared so short-term traders should be prepared because we have yet to see a big correction after a massive uptrend. Many investors must be preparing to sell after the halving news, and the market will certainly dip because of that selloff. The market is very high right now and that makes me wonder how much the next correction will be.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: KryptoBull on March 30, 2024, 01:30:47 AM
So far no one knows when the Bitcoin price will collapse again and enter a bearish season again. However, as you have said, it is currently still in an uptrend because it will be approaching the halving which will make Bitcoin rise even higher because it will be increasingly difficult to get Bitcoin, but after halving, you should remain alert because there is the potential for collapse.
Normally, BTC peaks in the 12th or 18th month after halving, I hope this will repeat this season and we can hold BTC and altcoins until April or October 2025. In addition, I also follow many quite prestigious BTC analysis channels, their opinions in 2025 will also be worth considering when I officially plan to take profit and exit the market. At this time, no matter what big news the market has, even the most negative, they are just to legitimize the correction and create an opportunity for BTC to re-accumulate before entering the largest wave of the uptrend.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: Stompix on March 30, 2024, 03:59:34 PM
Normally, BTC peaks in the 12th or 18th month after halving, I hope this will repeat this season and we can hold BTC and altcoins until April or October 2025.

But also normally it never peaked before the halving!

Also, the halving effect was reduced considerable back in November the halving looked like
- from 6.25 coins worth each 30k so, $187k dollars per block
- to 3.15 coins per block, $91k per block
right now the halving will bring-
- 3.15 coins per block at $70k, so $225k per block, the actual worth of daily supply will still be bigger than the pre halving one.

Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: KryptoBull on April 01, 2024, 01:35:42 AM
But also normally it never peaked before the halving!

Also, the halving effect was reduced considerable back in November the halving looked like
- from 6.25 coins worth each 30k so, $187k dollars per block
- to 3.15 coins per block, $91k per block
right now the halving will bring-
- 3.15 coins per block at $70k, so $225k per block, the actual worth of daily supply will still be bigger than the pre halving one.
The new ATH before the halving has confused many analysts, but I think the cyclical nature of BTC and the crypto market will still be maintained this season, meaning that we will have an ATH in 2025 rather than in 2024. I still have expectations for the Halving because it could be the biggest narrative we have to maintain the upward trend of BTC and the fundamentals of the market.

I am also not a technical analyst, I only use simple indicators and tools to identify trend reversals: trendline, MACD, RSI. I hope I won't miss the opportunity to take profits at the top range.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: Alston Liu on April 02, 2024, 08:35:30 AM
I don't think so. Since the crypto mining is majorly shrift from overseas like China to US. Crypto market is booming. This is a huge cake that the US will not give up. It is true that the attribute of cryptos including defi and storage will have a huge impact on the financial system in the US. But I think they will figure it out.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: Stompix on April 03, 2024, 07:41:04 PM
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The new ATH before the halving has confused many analysts, but I think the cyclical nature of BTC and the crypto market will still be maintained this season, meaning that we will have an ATH in 2025 rather than in 2024. I still have expectations for the Halving because it could be the biggest narrative we have to maintain the upward trend of BTC and the fundamentals of the market.

I am also not a technical analyst, I only use simple indicators and tools to identify trend reversals: trendline, MACD, RSI. I hope I won't miss the opportunity to take profits at the top range.

Well, I didn't make that about TA or indicators, my point was only about the thing everyone expected from the halving, the demand outpacing supply since there were fewer coins entering the market, so lower values of inflow needed to keep the balance and also lower values to raise the price.
But since the price ended up going up way before that, we have now an increased supply in $ compared to back in November even if we count the halving, so the thing about a total imbalance in supply and demand is no longer relevant.

The expectations for the halving were back then for $ needed to keep a balance going from $26 million down 13 million a day!
Now, even with the halving we will need 32 million! just to keep the price level.
And if the coins reach 120k, we will need 64 million to keep the balance, 3 times the amount needed each day at the end of the year!

It's not about indicators, those are flat sums of known daily supply entering the market!
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: MUGNIA on April 03, 2024, 10:58:27 PM
So far no one knows when the Bitcoin price will collapse again and enter a bearish season again. However, as you have said, it is currently still in an uptrend because it will be approaching the halving which will make Bitcoin rise even higher because it will be increasingly difficult to get Bitcoin, but after halving, you should remain alert because there is the potential for collapse.
History says Bitcoin makes major corrections before halving but it remains to be seen whether history will repeat itself before halving this time. The Bitcoin market is still very high which is still unpredictable to traders as a result of which there is still greed in the market and big investors are playing the market which is why we have not seen a big correction yet. Who knows, the market could suddenly repeat history and see a big correction, and traders must be prepared to avoid the unexpected.

Has it now entered a major correction or what, I see the value of BTC going down and down?
Will it increase in the next 1-2 months?
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: KryptoBull on April 04, 2024, 01:34:07 AM
I don't think so. Since the crypto mining is majorly shrift from overseas like China to US. Crypto market is booming. This is a huge cake that the US will not give up. It is true that the attribute of cryptos including defi and storage will have a huge impact on the financial system in the US. But I think they will figure it out.
I'm not talking about the possibility of the US abandoning or cracking down on crypto. Crypto users in the US are demanding a clear legal framework, and the US government is working on that demand. What I'm talking about is the US government moving a large amount of BTC, and it could be a sign of strong selling pressure, albeit through OTC, and negatively impacting the crypto market. Many people are arguing that the market downturn this week is due to the actions of the US government.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: bitterguy28 on April 04, 2024, 05:23:18 AM


The US government recently made headlines in the crypto world by transferring 15085 BTC ~ 922M USD. This move coincided with the time BTC reached 60K USD, raising speculation about the US government's profit-taking strategy[2].

(https://talkimg.com/images/2024/03/05/y6PaT.png)

The last time, in July 2023, the US government transferred 9800 BTC ~ 300M USD and then we saw an 18% decline in BTC price from 30K USD to 25K USD[3]. This time, the community is also worried even though the BTC price has reached 68.5K BTC and is approaching ATH 2021.

(https://www.tradingview.com/x/6fPUXeTc/)

Personally, I believe that the US government has a reason to take profits because they do not need to prove diamond hands. Their purpose is just to effectively handle the assets confiscated from criminals. The current price of BTC is attractive enough for them to sell and add to the national budget.
actually , who do really care about this government selling? its their bitcoin so they can do anything towards their holdings, as if you will be caring if whales sells their bitcoin , and also how much do  US government has than those whales that we should be worry if happens.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: KryptoBull on April 05, 2024, 01:09:24 AM
actually , who do really care about this government selling? its their bitcoin so they can do anything towards their holdings, as if you will be caring if whales sells their bitcoin, and also how much do  US government has than those whales that we should be worry if happens.
I think many people will be interested when the news of the US government's BTC movement is widely spread on crypto news sites. Currently, the US government has just moved about 2 billion USD worth of BTC and the US government's action is said to be the reason why the BTC price has been stagnant below 70K USD in the past few weeks.

Market liquidity is around 33 billion USD per day, but most of it can be created by arbitrage trading bots. A few billion USD worth of BTC sell-offs can affect the price and trigger panic and sell-offs by holders. That's what we're worried about.

Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: KingsDen on April 05, 2024, 04:53:52 PM
1. Do you think the US government is about to sell 15,085 BTC?
2. Will this event have a negative impact on BTC and the entire crypto market?
3. Are you worried and changed your investment strategy because of this event?
1. Yeah, they will sell it as usual.
2. Maybe slight impact but that will surely be consumed and added to bags of big time investors that is only waiting for opportunities in the market.
3. I am personally not worried about this because I am a long term holder.
1. Apart from the US government, individuals or institutions can also sell as huge as that. Or will it sound differently since it is about the US government?
2. The only holding that will bring the bitcoin market to its knees when sold is Satoshi holding.
3. Also a long term Hodler, I might not care.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: koang on April 05, 2024, 08:17:10 PM
Not enough that Grayscale has been dumping, and now the US government too
But the US government always dumps to everyone, one way or another, nothing new here.
Or they want to make sure they don't lose half of it after the halving. So this is how the Halving works ;D

I'm not worried at all, Bitcoin has taken its first step toward mass adoption.
This creates a feedback loop that attracts more attention, the momentum phase.
Retail is only just now starting to trickle back in.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: Aanuoluwatofunmi on April 05, 2024, 08:30:08 PM
I se no reason why we should remain ever worried when we see that some whales or US government moves any amount of bitcoin, there are things happening in which cannot be of any benefit to us than we minding our own business because we cant even query the process, there are some things we see happens with the US government, starting from the way they utilize on every seized crypto assets and many others.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: bayu7adi on April 05, 2024, 08:34:42 PM
If the US government decides to sell these assets, it means they are licking their lips by confirming that the money will be a legitimate profit for them. Confiscated money should be something that settles in the burn, not to be used unilaterally like that. Even though the regulations do not take sides in the middle, I think they must still respect the existence of many eyes monitoring every case they handle.

The US government should not be able to exchange or move these assets anywhere, except to burning wallets. Panic that occurs due to BTC transactions from large wallets often occurs, and I think the dump that occurs will not last long, it will make BTC recover again after the dump due to large-scale selling.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: KryptoBull on April 07, 2024, 01:47:42 AM
If the US government decides to sell these assets, it means they are licking their lips by confirming that the money will be a legitimate profit for them. Confiscated money should be something that settles in the burn, not to be used unilaterally like that. Even though the regulations do not take sides in the middle, I think they must still respect the existence of many eyes monitoring every case they handle.

The US government should not be able to exchange or move these assets anywhere, except to burning wallets. Panic that occurs due to BTC transactions from large wallets often occurs, and I think the dump that occurs will not last long, it will make BTC recover again after the dump due to large-scale selling.
The fact that the US government also sells this illicit BTC and adds it to the national budget. BTC is also considered a type of seized asset and there is no regulation requiring that it be burned or frozen permanently. I myself would like the US government to hold this BTC as a form of national reserve, as Gold, rather than selling it off to use the way they are wasting taxpayer money.

I'm not sure if there is any correlation between the drop in BTC price and the movements of BTC from the US government, but such events have an impact on the media and the psychology of crypto investors.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: koang on April 07, 2024, 02:27:19 AM
If the US government decides to sell these assets, it means they are licking their lips by confirming that the money will be a legitimate profit for them. Confiscated money should be something that settles in the burn, not to be used unilaterally like that. Even though the regulations do not take sides in the middle, I think they must still respect the existence of many eyes monitoring every case they handle.

The US government should not be able to exchange or move these assets anywhere, except to burning wallets. Panic that occurs due to BTC transactions from large wallets often occurs, and I think the dump that occurs will not last long, it will make BTC recover again after the dump due to large-scale selling.

They are from all the frauds, frames, scams, raids, and illegals
It is like the US government orchestrated the heist of the century, right before our eyes.
And Talk about democracy after that. lol

They will sell Bitcoin and buy PEPE ;D or The US govt needs some cash, and the U.S. wants to increase support for the USD. The government needs money but doesn't want to print it.
By the way, the fees paid on a billion-dollar transaction are only a few dollars.
I wonder what the government thinks about that :)
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: NikeFit_7777 on April 07, 2024, 10:40:26 AM
Data shows that the U.S. government often sells at localized lows in the market. Notably, in March 2023, about 10,000 BTC were sold while BTC was trading at about $21,500. This sale almost coincided with the lowest price in the local market, which fell to around 20,000$ during the SVB crash. Another significant sale of approximately 8,200 BTC occurred on July 12, 2023, with bitcoins trading at around 30,000$ USD.


(https://i.ibb.co/dbBGFNs/photo-2024-04-05-13-31-52.jpg)
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: Kemarit on April 07, 2024, 11:35:03 AM
If the US government decides to sell these assets, it means they are licking their lips by confirming that the money will be a legitimate profit for them. Confiscated money should be something that settles in the burn, not to be used unilaterally like that. Even though the regulations do not take sides in the middle, I think they must still respect the existence of many eyes monitoring every case they handle.

The US government should not be able to exchange or move these assets anywhere, except to burning wallets. Panic that occurs due to BTC transactions from large wallets often occurs, and I think the dump that occurs will not last long, it will make BTC recover again after the dump due to large-scale selling.
The fact that the US government also sells this illicit BTC and adds it to the national budget. BTC is also considered a type of seized asset and there is no regulation requiring that it be burned or frozen permanently. I myself would like the US government to hold this BTC as a form of national reserve, as Gold, rather than selling it off to use the way they are wasting taxpayer money.

I'm not sure if there is any correlation between the drop in BTC price and the movements of BTC from the US government, but such events have an impact on the media and the psychology of crypto investors.

I can't remember, but I think the US government used to auctions this seized Bitcoin right? And that's where this early bagholders was able to buy it cheap because before US is selling it at a lower price, below the market. But perhaps they realized that they have been doing it wrong and now themselves are moving it in any exchanges and sell it.

Nonetheless, the effect on the market is not that significant, sure it goes down a bit. Investors though as intelligent enough to take advantage of that situation and buy it. So even if some of us see the US government moving it and selling regardless of the price, it is not enough to put a dent on the market.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: vegasus on April 07, 2024, 11:05:22 PM
The US government recently made headlines in the crypto world by transferring 15085 BTC ~ 922M USD. This move coincided with the time BTC reached 60K USD, raising speculation about the US government's profit-taking strategy[2].
Every time there is a Bitcoin movement related to the US, even though it feels like it's normal, it definitely gives the effect of being nervous and over-thinking what will happen afterwards. However, for now, the influence is not on excessive panic and fear, but rather on how to respond if something happens. For, the influence of the US news still really gives big influence to crypto, especially Bitcoin.

Nonetheless, the effect on the market is not that significant, sure it goes down a bit. Investors though as intelligent enough to take advantage of that situation and buy it. So even if some of us see the US government moving it and selling regardless of the price, it is not enough to put a dent on the market.
It cannot be denied that there is still an influence on the market. Yes, at least, market conditions have recently experienced a slight decline, whether because of the news that continues with the sale of confiscated Bitcoins, or because of the effects of other conditions. Or a combination of several conditions. But what is certain is that the market response is not that panic, and this is very good. because perhaps most investors already understand this cycle and the possibility of manipulation to make the market down before the halving. So, the market won't drop too far because there are still many investors who strictly store their BTC without panic.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: Kemarit on April 08, 2024, 11:58:35 AM
Nonetheless, the effect on the market is not that significant, sure it goes down a bit. Investors though as intelligent enough to take advantage of that situation and buy it. So even if some of us see the US government moving it and selling regardless of the price, it is not enough to put a dent on the market.
It cannot be denied that there is still an influence on the market. Yes, at least, market conditions have recently experienced a slight decline, whether because of the news that continues with the sale of confiscated Bitcoins, or because of the effects of other conditions. Or a combination of several conditions. But what is certain is that the market response is not that panic, and this is very good. because perhaps most investors already understand this cycle and the possibility of manipulation to make the market down before the halving. So, the market won't drop too far because there are still many investors who strictly store their BTC without panic.

There will be always news that will really impact the market, but what I'm saying is that when we are in a bullrun, this kinds of news might have negligible effect as compare to let's say when we are in bearish market as it could have a big impact.

Manipulation is overrated though, not sure if there are whales that can really manipulate the price. Only way that I can see them influence is that when they put large sell orders in an exchange that everyone will see and maybe others will panic specially newbies. But at the end of the day, still up to us on how to used this kind of news to our advantage.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: KryptoBull on April 09, 2024, 02:47:09 AM
Data shows that the U.S. government often sells at localized lows in the market. Notably, in March 2023, about 10,000 BTC were sold while BTC was trading at about $21,500. This sale almost coincided with the lowest price in the local market, which fell to around 20,000$ during the SVB crash. Another significant sale of approximately 8,200 BTC occurred on July 12, 2023, with bitcoins trading at around 30,000$ USD.
Interesting, I hope they will learn something from the wrong decisions during the market recovery phase and will hold BTC and sell BTC in the distribution zone in 2025.

In addition, I also think that the BTC from the US government has helped the whales buy enough BTC they need to easily pump and push the BTC price to a new high. Thus, it can be said that the US government has created local bottoms on the BTC chart @@
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: philipma1957 on April 09, 2024, 03:09:46 AM
BTC is no longer just a new asset in the financial market, BTC has been widely accepted and entered national reserves. Currently, the US holds 207,189 BTC[1] seized from criminals. At the present time, this amount of BTC is worth about 14B USD, a huge amount of money, making the US government the independent entity holding the most BTC, surpassing MicroStrategy with 193K BTC. And we can consider the US government as a big whale in the market, as each of its actions can create waves for the crypto market.

The US government recently made headlines in the crypto world by transferring 15085 BTC ~ 922M USD. This move coincided with the time BTC reached 60K USD, raising speculation about the US government's profit-taking strategy[2].

(https://talkimg.com/images/2024/03/05/y6PaT.png)

The last time, in July 2023, the US government transferred 9800 BTC ~ 300M USD and then we saw an 18% decline in BTC price from 30K USD to 25K USD[3]. This time, the community is also worried even though the BTC price has reached 68.5K BTC and is approaching ATH 2021.

(https://www.tradingview.com/x/6fPUXeTc/)

Personally, I believe that the US government has a reason to take profits because they do not need to prove diamond hands. Their purpose is just to effectively handle the assets confiscated from criminals. The current price of BTC is attractive enough for them to sell and add to the national budget.

At the same time, I also believe that with the positivity in price fluctuations and the optimism of investor sentiment, this liquidation worth 1B USD from the US government will not cause any negative impact on the increasing momentum of BTC price as well as the crypto market. FTX sold 1B USD worth of GBTC in January[4] and Genesis is selling 1.3B USD worth of GBTC [5] also with no significant impact on BTC price. Therefore, I believe that in the context of the market being extremely excited and the daily BTC trading volume reaching up to 70B USD, the selling force of 1B USD from the US government, if any, is not worth our concern.

I would like to know your views on the possibility of selling 1B USD worth of BTC from the US government:
  • Do you think the US government is about to sell 15,085 BTC?
  • Will this event have a negative impact on BTC and the entire crypto market?
  • Are you worried and changed your investment strategy because of this event?

References:
[1] Countries & Governments that Own Bitcoin (https://bitcointreasuries.com/)
[2] US gov’t moved $922 million of seized Bitcoin after BTC price broke $60,000 (https://cointelegraph.com/news/u-s-gov-moves-922-million-seized-bitcoin)
[3] US Government Transfers $300 Million Worth of Seized Silk Road Bitcoins (https://news.bitcoin.com/us-government-transfers-300-million-worth-of-seized-silk-road-bitcoins/)
[4] FTX Sold About $1B of Grayscale's Bitcoin ETF, Explaining Much of Outflow: Sources (https://www.coindesk.com/business/2024/01/22/ftx-sold-about-1b-of-grayscales-bitcoin-etf-explaining-much-of-outflow-sources/)
[5] Genesis Cleared to Sell GBTC Shares Worth $1.3 Billion (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-02-14/genesis-cleared-by-court-to-sell-gbtc-shares-worth-1-3-billion)

Note:
  • My opinion was posted first in that topic, on Bitcointalk (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5487581.0)
  • I leave the source link to avoid plagiarism accusation.
  • I excluded/ included minor things from an original thread if necessary.

Update 2024.04.03:
In a major cryptocurrency move, the U.S. government transferred 30,175 bitcoins (valued at around $2 billion) to a wallet associated with Coinbase.

  • U.S. Government Moves $2 Billion in Bitcoin to Coinbase, Impacting Market (https://coinpaprika.com/news/u-s-government-moves-2-billion-in-bitcoin-to-coinbase-impacting-market/)
So we are over 70k and the US government has most of the 200000 it had a month ago they will not hurt the price by sell some off.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: examplens on April 09, 2024, 11:05:06 AM
So we are over 70k and the US government has most of the 200000 it had a month ago they will not hurt the price by sell some off.

There are still those who want to buy, I think that they can make a significant price change only if they sell everything in a short period. But they know that much for sure, so they will not reduce the amount for themselves.

Certainly, all governments should sell their Bitcoins, because most often they have manipulative intentions. In the end, everyone is fighting so much against Bitcoin and everything it represents, it is completely immoral to calculate the potential profit from here after all.
But those are just politicians, what else can be expected from them?
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on April 09, 2024, 07:14:13 PM
There is something I can say about the Americans, even more so about the government, is that they are not stupid, where there is money they have to be very Stupid to Sell and anyone knows that , now , if the government wants to be an enemy of Bitcoin, then they will simply sell to $20k, even $10k, but the investors who take those Bitcoins will buy Cheaper bitcoins, and that can then give a much more inflated price than is thought possible , so they are the ones who throw away or kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. , and if so, I think it is even better because a Government no longer has so many bitcoins in the world, and they have that money only Because it has been confiscated , not because it has been bought. I greatly respect Bukele's Management because he did buy didn't grab it, then it is likely that people like Bukele will buy those Bitcoins , or the largest Institutions will do so Without thinking About it, it would be a Strong market overturn, and it would cause a lot of Panic, but you have to be Prepared for all of these scenarios.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: Captain Corporate on April 09, 2024, 08:03:02 PM
This shouldn't be something that you need to worry about all that much. I mean we are talking about a situation where either they sell, and that means while it could drop the price (maybe it won't) but at least the ydo not have it anymore, or they just won't sell and it will stay. I can't really keep on caring about it all the time, can't keep on considering what to do and how to do it etc etc. So I just let it be and that's why I do not care about it much. In either case, if they keep on holding or if they end up selling, both doesn't change too much for me and that is why I believe its much better to ignore it.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on April 09, 2024, 08:14:48 PM
In response to the op, first, the US government moved over 15k bitcoin worth about a billion dollars, where did they move it to?, to coinbase, what is coinbase? An exchange, infact, the biggest crypto currency exchange in the US at the moment.

With the above information, we should already be certain or sure that they moved those bitcoin there to sell it, and should we be worried about this?, to me, I would say "absolutely not", because whether now or later, they are probably still going to sell the bitcoin, so, the sooner they sell it off, the better, at least, we know one whale have left the market.

But I think it's wrong to refer to the US government selling the bitcoin they seized as them taking profit, how does one take profit on something they did not buy or invest their hard earned money in? They simply are selling, I do not consider t this as taking profit because they did not buy those coins.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: Crypto Library on April 10, 2024, 08:59:20 PM
I would like to know your views on the possibility of selling 1B USD worth of BTC from the US government:
  • Do you think the US government is about to sell 15,085 BTC?
  • Will this event have a negative impact on BTC and the entire crypto market?
  • Are you worried and changed your investment strategy because of this event?
Actually why should we need to be worried where Bitcoin can't control by any person or any government. There was 21 million supply and if US government hold large amount of Bitcoin even then it will not be so much regarding of the supply of Bitcoin. And Bitcoin goes its own way so I don't think I have to be worried about US government. Even if they sold and buy big amount of Bitcoin then it may make little impact on market for a certain time. But it will be back in its own way so in long run no one can control with coins so I don't have to be worried for that and it will make not single changes on my investment is strategy DCA will be go on.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: Baofeng on April 11, 2024, 07:05:35 AM
There is something I can say about the Americans, even more so about the government, is that they are not stupid, where there is money they have to be very Stupid to Sell and anyone knows that , now , if the government wants to be an enemy of Bitcoin, then they will simply sell to $20k, even $10k, but the investors who take those Bitcoins will buy Cheaper bitcoins, and that can then give a much more inflated price than is thought possible , so they are the ones who throw away or kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. , and if so, I think it is even better because a Government no longer has so many bitcoins in the world, and they have that money only Because it has been confiscated , not because it has been bought. I greatly respect Bukele's Management because he did buy didn't grab it, then it is likely that people like Bukele will buy those Bitcoins , or the largest Institutions will do so Without thinking About it, it would be a Strong market overturn, and it would cause a lot of Panic, but you have to be Prepared for all of these scenarios.

I think the US government is not after the profits on their Bitcoin, what they wanted is to just sell them off, easy as that. They want to dispose it as early as they can and clean up their hands, regardless of what the price they will sell it, doesn't matter to them.

And we can't compare them to Bukele, his government is after Bitcoin as a reserved and that's why they are making tons of profit now that the price has hit new all time high. But the best thing is yet to come as it might come to fruition that it will go at least at a conservative 6 digits.

So for the US government and it's impact on this news? slight as the market has bounce back again to $70k.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on April 11, 2024, 06:57:50 PM
There is something I can say about the Americans, even more so about the government, is that they are not stupid, where there is money they have to be very Stupid to Sell and anyone knows that , now , if the government wants to be an enemy of Bitcoin, then they will simply sell to $20k, even $10k, but the investors who take those Bitcoins will buy Cheaper bitcoins, and that can then give a much more inflated price than is thought possible , so they are the ones who throw away or kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. , and if so, I think it is even better because a Government no longer has so many bitcoins in the world, and they have that money only Because it has been confiscated , not because it has been bought. I greatly respect Bukele's Management because he did buy didn't grab it, then it is likely that people like Bukele will buy those Bitcoins , or the largest Institutions will do so Without thinking About it, it would be a Strong market overturn, and it would cause a lot of Panic, but you have to be Prepared for all of these scenarios.

I think the US government is not after the profits on their Bitcoin, what they wanted is to just sell them off, easy as that. They want to dispose it as early as they can and clean up their hands, regardless of what the price they will sell it, doesn't matter to them.

And we can't compare them to Bukele, his government is after Bitcoin as a reserved and that's why they are making tons of profit now that the price has hit new all time high. But the best thing is yet to come as it might come to fruition that it will go at least at a conservative 6 digits.

So for the US government and it's impact on this news? slight as the market has bounce back again to $70k.

Well yes, you are right, what happens is that one says, in the USA it is a fully developed country, what would they use that money that is not just any money? What purposes would they have, well the truth is I am a person who has never trusted in governing us, no matter how nice they may seem, which is very different from the government of Switzerland and some Nordic countries where I see that the vision of money and The life they lead is different, but it is only there, in the USA, what I see that they seek a lot of money, power, and the truth is with money there is power, that is why one dares to think those things, and well It is not that I compare it directly with the Bukele government, but that the policies of both countries are different, Bukele has bitcoin as if they were reserves similar to gold, which is not bad at all, each country has its own way of being very different.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: KryptoBull on April 13, 2024, 02:26:58 AM
In response to the op, first, the US government moved over 15k bitcoin worth about a billion dollars, where did they move it to?, to coinbase, what is coinbase? An exchange, infact, the biggest crypto currency exchange in the US at the moment.

With the above information, we should already be certain or sure that they moved those bitcoin there to sell it, and should we be worried about this?, to me, I would say "absolutely not", because whether now or later, they are probably still going to sell the bitcoin, so, the sooner they sell it off, the better, at least, we know one whale have left the market.

But I think it's wrong to refer to the US government selling the bitcoin they seized as them taking profit, how does one take profit on something they did not buy or invest their hard earned money in? They simply are selling, I do not consider t this as taking profit because they did not buy those coins.
I just want to say that the US government wants to take the opportunity to sell at the peak to get the most money for the federal budget, OK not profits as in your opinion. Billions of USD of selling pressure can have a negative impact on the market. I don't believe that the actual liquidity of the market is more than 30B USD per day, and a large part of the trading may come from trading bots. The user's demand for accumulating BTC is not billions of USD per day. This means that selling 1-2B USD worth of BTC can easily cause the price of BTC to drop by 5-10% each way, which can then trigger investor fear, burn long orders, and cause the market to fall further. This is what I'm worried about!

I understand that the US government will continue to sell BTC, I just hope that they will sell wisely to maximize the proceeds, while not causing the crypto market to panic. After selling BTC, the US government will have less BTC, and after they sell all of their BTC, we will no longer have to worry about this issue.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: bitterguy28 on April 13, 2024, 02:24:07 PM
actually , who do really care about this government selling? its their bitcoin so they can do anything towards their holdings, as if you will be caring if whales sells their bitcoin, and also how much do  US government has than those whales that we should be worry if happens.
I think many people will be interested when the news of the US government's BTC movement is widely spread on crypto news sites. Currently, the US government has just moved about 2 billion USD worth of BTC and the US government's action is said to be the reason why the BTC price has been stagnant below 70K USD in the past few weeks.

Market liquidity is around 33 billion USD per day, but most of it can be created by arbitrage trading bots. A few billion USD worth of BTC sell-offs can affect the price and trigger panic and sell-offs by holders. That's what we're worried about.

  • U.S. Government Moves $2 Billion in Bitcoin to Coinbase, Impacting Market (https://coinpaprika.com/news/u-s-government-moves-2-billion-in-bitcoin-to-coinbase-impacting-market/)
but What I do believe is that those who rpetend to be affected are those who wanted to shaken the market favoring them tore invest once the market dumped as how they planned this to happen.
but of course we have our own belief in this coin and this market.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: KryptoBull on April 14, 2024, 01:54:41 AM
but What I do believe is that those who rpetend to be affected are those who wanted to shaken the market favoring them tore invest once the market dumped as how they planned this to happen.
but of course we have our own belief in this coin and this market.
Indeed, the US government's move to transfer BTC will not only have an impact on the trading market but also on investor sentiment. This is what I am truly concerned about. If investors panic, we will see a sell-off and the selling pressure will not be just a few billion USD from the US government, but tens of billions of USD from companies or individual retail investors. Of course, this could be part of a market manipulation plan by the whales, who will wait for the price to drop lower to accumulate for the uptrend. The most steadfast holders who do not sell their BTC to the whales will deserve to reap big profits when the market grows.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on August 03, 2024, 12:00:22 PM
At the same time, I also believe that with the positivity in price fluctuations and the optimism of investor sentiment, this liquidation worth 1B USD from the US government will not cause any negative impact on the increasing momentum of BTC price as well as the crypto market. FTX sold 1B USD worth of GBTC in January[4] and Genesis is selling 1.3B USD worth of GBTC [5] also with no significant impact on BTC price. Therefore, I believe that in the context of the market being extremely excited and the daily BTC trading volume reaching up to 70B USD, the selling force of 1B USD from the US government, if any, is not worth our concern.

I would like to know your views on the possibility of selling 1B USD worth of BTC from the US government:
  • Do you think the US government is about to sell 15,085 BTC?
  • Will this event have a negative impact on BTC and the entire crypto market?
  • Are you worried and changed your investment strategy because of this event?

1. The US government has been supportive when it comes to bitcoin investment and getting involved in Bitcoin investment is a good one, instead of trying to bring Bitcoin down they joined, the US government will sell but they will not sell 15, 085 worth of BTC I think they will sell below that, and I think they will not sell for now since the Bitcoin price is down.

2. Well if the US government sells 15, 085 worth of Bitcoin it will have an Effect on Bitcoin, after the sell the Bitcoin price will fall and that those not mean that it won't rise again, after holding it's advise to sell at a particular time so is just normal.

3. I'm not worried about this development if the US government decide to sell off the Bitcoin is fine, I wil advise everyone to always stand by what dey feel is good for them, and this development should not lead to people selling off there Bitcoin, because I know a lot of people will sell of there Bitcoin even before the US government sell there's off because of fear of Bitcoin falling and never rising if you know about Bitcoin you will no this those not call for fear.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: EluguHcman on August 03, 2024, 12:30:02 PM

~Snip~

Nothing to worry about in my opinion.
Us government is just one more big player, a big whale

It can dump its coins , but this won't make a difference in the long run

Even USA tried to attack the network, like performing a 51% attack  , it would cost trillions of dollars and black-outs due to high energy cost.

Bitcoin is highly resistant to that continental attack.
Bitcoin has been a global attractive digital currency with the potentials to be adopted for global currency reserve.
The US government has then and now been playing supportive roles to the values and recognition of Bitcoin up to date.

The Potential attractiveness of Bitcoin has really been some kind of structures based on volume of Bitcoin adoptors in the US so, there is nothing to fear about.
There is absolutely no bridge between US and other countries where to assume that the US has a different Blockchain to what other Bitcoin Blockchain of others so, whatever value the US government or its citizens uphold on Bitcoin is equivalent to other adoptors in the whole World.
So, nothing to fear as the US government is being invested a lot not practically self centered but to evaluate more incredible potentials to the Bitcoin communities.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: bitmover on August 03, 2024, 04:52:33 PM
So, nothing to fear as the US government is being invested a lot not practically self centered but to evaluate more incredible potentials to the Bitcoin communities.

I agree.

US government needs to have diversified investments. Just like it has tons of gold, it has also some bitcoin
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: 0t3p0t on August 03, 2024, 05:18:10 PM
So, nothing to fear as the US government is being invested a lot not practically self centered but to evaluate more incredible potentials to the Bitcoin communities.

I agree.

US government needs to have diversified investments. Just like it has tons of gold, it has also some bitcoin
Yeah and I think selling is not an option if they really care to invest for long term. The potential of crypto nowadays attracts the attention of superpower nations like Russia so I don't think the US government should ignore this or they will become behind with other superpowers accepting Bitcoin for trades and accumulating more of it as long term investment.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: KryptoBull on August 04, 2024, 08:22:51 AM
Yeah and I think selling is not an option if they really care to invest for long term. The potential of crypto nowadays attracts the attention of superpower nations like Russia so I don't think the US government should ignore this or they will become behind with other superpowers accepting Bitcoin for trades and accumulating more of it as long term investment.
If this turns out to be true, it will be a huge boost for BTC growth in the future. Trump mentioned this and we see a target of 1M BTC for the US reserve budget. I really hope that Trump wins and implements his plan, bringing BTC mass adoption, mainstream status in the financial market and crazy price increase!

I am just afraid that someone in the US government is trying to move BTC to liquidate instead of increasing the safety of the amount of BTC seized from criminals. Are they trying to sell BTC before Trump has the power to implement the BTC strategy for the US...
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: de_prof on August 13, 2024, 11:49:06 PM
Yeah and I think selling is not an option if they really care to invest for long term. The potential of crypto nowadays attracts the attention of superpower nations like Russia so I don't think the US government should ignore this or they will become behind with other superpowers accepting Bitcoin for trades and accumulating more of it as long term investment.
If this turns out to be true, it will be a huge boost for BTC growth in the future. Trump mentioned this and we see a target of 1M BTC for the US reserve budget. I really hope that Trump wins and implements his plan, bringing BTC mass adoption, mainstream status in the financial market and crazy price increase!

I am just afraid that someone in the US government is trying to move BTC to liquidate instead of increasing the safety of the amount of BTC seized from criminals. Are they trying to sell BTC before Trump has the power to implement the BTC strategy for the US...
If Trump wins the US election, it will likely have a positive impact on Bitcoin and the crypto market. Hopefully Trump will fulfill his campaign promises, because if this happens, maybe in the next bullish season, the price of Bitcoin will reach a very high ATH. Many argue that this is just a sweet promise from politicians, hopefully not.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: koang on August 14, 2024, 06:23:50 AM
If Trump wins the US election, it will likely have a positive impact on Bitcoin and the crypto market. Hopefully Trump will fulfill his campaign promises, because if this happens, maybe in the next bullish season, the price of Bitcoin will reach a very high ATH. Many argue that this is just a sweet promise from politicians, hopefully not.

So Crypto investors are waiting for Trump to pump Bitcoin to 100K? I think Trump is poison for crypto, whatever he says
Trump is a politician who always focuses on his profit, Whatever is trending, he tries to use it to achieve a higher position and always tries to convince everyone that he is better. POLITICIAN.
Crypto space and Bitcoin don't need Trump to hit the new ATH
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: KryptoBull on August 15, 2024, 07:40:58 AM
If Trump wins the US election, it will likely have a positive impact on Bitcoin and the crypto market. Hopefully Trump will fulfill his campaign promises, because if this happens, maybe in the next bullish season, the price of Bitcoin will reach a very high ATH. Many argue that this is just a sweet promise from politicians, hopefully not.
I also support Trump, more precisely, I support Trump's views on BTC and crypto. Trump's victory can be seen as the victory of the crypto community in the US market, which will be the beginning of a new financial wave, supported by the most powerful man on the planet.

Obstacles still exist on the opposing side, but Harris is also making moves to get closer to the crypto market. This partly ensures the bright future of crypto in the US, but I still hope for the best: Trump will become president and carry out the big plans of the government to Make crypto great again.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: NotATether on August 15, 2024, 02:41:22 PM
In my opinion, they should just sell it all at once and make one big dump so that they can get over with it. I don't care if it shakes the market, I just want them to stop making these waves every time they sell crypto so many times.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: bounceback on August 15, 2024, 03:25:36 PM
I also support Trump, more precisely, I support Trump's views on BTC and crypto. Trump's victory can be seen as the victory of the crypto community in the US market, which will be the beginning of a new financial wave, supported by the most powerful man on the planet.

Obstacles still exist on the opposing side, but Harris is also making moves to get closer to the crypto market. This partly ensures the bright future of crypto in the US, but I still hope for the best: Trump will become president and carry out the big plans of the government to Make crypto great again.
Not bad ideas expecting with Donald Trump victory can bring good impact for bitcoin and cryptocurrency in United State exactly after good promising on the campaign election. Under his controlling if get victory for five years later, seems not problem with how many bitcoin assets holding by US Government and keep hold it without moving yet such as happening under Joe Bidden era.
Recently not have to be panic with US Government moving their bitcoin assets because they did it many time although bitcoin get down but not difficult raise up to higher price any more. Just hold and keep calm what ever did by US Government moving their bitcoin assets or not.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: Rikafip on August 15, 2024, 05:19:23 PM
In my opinion, they should just sell it all at once and make one big dump so that they can get over with it. I don't care if it shakes the market, I just want them to stop making these waves every time they sell crypto so many times.
Tbh, I am surprised that they didn't already done that, something like Germans did recently. But who knows, maybe some of them have half the brain and are trying to profit as much as possible from it, or maybe even stalling by selling little by little.

And to answer OP, nope, I am not worried about US or any other government moving bitcoin.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: LogitechMouse on August 15, 2024, 10:39:59 PM
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I would like to know your views on the possibility of selling 1B USD worth of BTC from the US government:
  • Do you think the US government is about to sell 15,085 BTC?
  • Will this event have a negative impact on BTC and the entire crypto market?
  • Are you worried and changed your investment strategy because of this event?
1. I don't know if they sold it already at that time or not since I'm not reading articles regarding Bitcoin or crypto at all but I saw in the other forum that they just sold around 10,000 BTC and it didn't have any negative effect on the market at all. With how huge Bitcoin is right now, I guess the only time where we will feel a massive dump is when the government selling all those Bitcoin that they seized at once.
2. Like I said, they sold around 10,000 BTC and it didn't have any negative impact on the market so this will not have any effect as well at all.
3. No I'm not worried. If the market goes down when the government sells Bitcoin then I will take that opportunity to buy even more Bitcoin. The bad thing though is that, governments will continue to take down those mixers and other platforms that are doing illegal things about Bitcoin. They will continue to seize those Bitcoin only for them to sell it at one point.

Like what others said, I would also hope that they will sell it all at once so we can take the opportunity of buying Bitcoin at a much lower price. :)
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: Mr. Magkaisa on August 15, 2024, 11:03:10 PM
        -     If I look at Bitcoin's history or record since then, we haven't really seen its price go back to the previous 2017 or 2015, as long as it always raises the price in the market.

If there is a severe fall, it can recover in a time that most people don't expect. In short, there is no reason for me to worry because bitcoin has really been tested by time.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: koang on August 16, 2024, 10:12:43 AM
        -     If I look at Bitcoin's history or record since then, we haven't really seen its price go back to the previous 2017 or 2015, as long as it always raises the price in the market.

If there is a severe fall, it can recover in a time that most people don't expect. In short, there is no reason for me to worry because bitcoin has really been tested by time.

This is so true. History shows markets always bounce back.
I wouldn’t call this pullback a crash. All this movement is normal for Bitcoin. Be smart, Good buying opportunities are starting to come.
A volatile market can be a good thing if we are prepared.
So stay calm, invest when others are fearful, ignore short-term noise, and maybe a new ATH closer than we think.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: Wiseman on August 16, 2024, 02:11:36 PM
Personally, I don’t think it’s worth worrying about someone (even the US government) selling a small percentage of the entire issue, it’s actually very little, as they say, it’s a drop in the ocean, it’s another inflated manipulation and as we can see, not particularly successful, since in fact it didn’t harm the entire market, Bitcoin can fall and grow even without such news, and sometimes much more.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: rizqillah on August 16, 2024, 04:42:57 PM
Personally, I don’t think it’s worth worrying about someone (even the US government) selling a small percentage of the entire issue, it’s actually very little, as they say, it’s a drop in the ocean, it’s another inflated manipulation and as we can see, not particularly successful, since in fact it didn’t harm the entire market, Bitcoin can fall and grow even without such news, and sometimes much more.
Bad news will only have a temporary impact on the market, because after that the market will find its rhythm again. The main factors of price are demand and supply, when bad news is likely demand will decrease due to investor concerns, some will even sell their coins at a loss because of panic. But I don't think this will last long, I believe bitcoin will rise again when demand starts to rise.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: Manna on August 16, 2024, 06:17:11 PM
BTC is no longer just a new asset in the financial market, BTC has been widely accepted and entered national reserves. Currently, the US holds 207,189 BTC[1] seized from criminals. At the present time, this amount of BTC is worth about 14B USD, a huge amount of money, making the US government the independent entity holding the most BTC, surpassing MicroStrategy with 193K BTC. And we can consider the US government as a big whale in the market, as each of its actions can create waves for the crypto market.

The US government recently made headlines in the crypto world by transferring 15085 BTC ~ 922M USD. This move coincided with the time BTC reached 60K USD, raising speculation about the US government's profit-taking strategy[2].

(https://talkimg.com/images/2024/03/05/y6PaT.png)

The last time, in July 2023, the US government transferred 9800 BTC ~ 300M USD and then we saw an 18% decline in BTC price from 30K USD to 25K USD[3]. This time, the community is also worried even though the BTC price has reached 68.5K BTC and is approaching ATH 2021.

(https://www.tradingview.com/x/6fPUXeTc/)

Personally, I believe that the US government has a reason to take profits because they do not need to prove diamond hands. Their purpose is just to effectively handle the assets confiscated from criminals. The current price of BTC is attractive enough for them to sell and add to the national budget.

At the same time, I also believe that with the positivity in price fluctuations and the optimism of investor sentiment, this liquidation worth 1B USD from the US government will not cause any negative impact on the increasing momentum of BTC price as well as the crypto market. FTX sold 1B USD worth of GBTC in January[4] and Genesis is selling 1.3B USD worth of GBTC [5] also with no significant impact on BTC price. Therefore, I believe that in the context of the market being extremely excited and the daily BTC trading volume reaching up to 70B USD, the selling force of 1B USD from the US government, if any, is not worth our concern.

I would like to know your views on the possibility of selling 1B USD worth of BTC from the US government:
  • Do you think the US government is about to sell 15,085 BTC?
  • Will this event have a negative impact on BTC and the entire crypto market?
  • Are you worried and changed your investment strategy because of this event?

References:
[1] Countries & Governments that Own Bitcoin (https://bitcointreasuries.com/)
[2] US gov’t moved $922 million of seized Bitcoin after BTC price broke $60,000 (https://cointelegraph.com/news/u-s-gov-moves-922-million-seized-bitcoin)
[3] US Government Transfers $300 Million Worth of Seized Silk Road Bitcoins (https://news.bitcoin.com/us-government-transfers-300-million-worth-of-seized-silk-road-bitcoins/)
[4] FTX Sold About $1B of Grayscale's Bitcoin ETF, Explaining Much of Outflow: Sources (https://www.coindesk.com/business/2024/01/22/ftx-sold-about-1b-of-grayscales-bitcoin-etf-explaining-much-of-outflow-sources/)
[5] Genesis Cleared to Sell GBTC Shares Worth $1.3 Billion (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-02-14/genesis-cleared-by-court-to-sell-gbtc-shares-worth-1-3-billion)

Note:
  • My opinion was posted first in that topic, on Bitcointalk (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5487581.0)
  • I leave the source link to avoid plagiarism accusation.
  • I excluded/ included minor things from an original thread if necessary.

Update 2024.04.03:
In a major cryptocurrency move, the U.S. government transferred 30,175 bitcoins (valued at around $2 billion) to a wallet associated with Coinbase.

  • U.S. Government Moves $2 Billion in Bitcoin to Coinbase, Impacting Market (https://coinpaprika.com/news/u-s-government-moves-2-billion-in-bitcoin-to-coinbase-impacting-market/)
Your analysis is very relevant and important.  Bitcoin is no longer a new asset;  It is playing a major role in the financial markets and has attracted the attention of various institutions and governments.  The US government currently seizes huge amounts of Bitcoin, making them one of the largest holders of Bitcoin in the world, even more than the large corporation MicroStrategy.This BTC holding by the US government could have a significant impact on the market.  Because they can be considered a "whale," any move they make—such as selling or transferring these bitcoins—can cause a huge market reaction. This situation could further complicate and affect the future of cryptocurrencies and market dynamics, especially if governments adopt new strategies to manage these assets.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: Gurujebs on August 16, 2024, 06:29:09 PM
Bad news will only have a temporary impact on the market, because after that the market will find its rhythm again. The main factors of price are demand and supply, when bad news is likely demand will decrease due to investor concerns, some will even sell their coins at a loss because of panic. But I don't think this will last long, I believe bitcoin will rise again when demand starts to rise.

I think some people sell their Bitcoin to mitigate their positions, some of this people that sell Bitcoin don't have choice because they operate with leverage trading which involves some high risk and when Bitcoin move against their predictions, they quick to unload their Bitcoin into the market which cause a quick squash on the market price.

I want to see more demand other this US government thing, if Trump get played again and Kamala get into the office, the Bitcoin price will be screwed and probably get manipulated by the whales again for their own personal gains.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: nakmantu99 on August 16, 2024, 10:27:10 PM
Bad news will only have a temporary impact on the market, because after that the market will find its rhythm again. The main factors of price are demand and supply, when bad news is likely demand will decrease due to investor concerns, some will even sell their coins at a loss because of panic. But I don't think this will last long, I believe bitcoin will rise again when demand starts to rise.

I think some people sell their Bitcoin to mitigate their positions, some of this people that sell Bitcoin don't have choice because they operate with leverage trading which involves some high risk and when Bitcoin move against their predictions, they quick to unload their Bitcoin into the market which cause a quick squash on the market price.

I want to see more demand other this US government thing, if Trump get played again and Kamala get into the office, the Bitcoin price will be screwed and probably get manipulated by the whales again for their own personal gains.
The concern I read from some groups that said kamala harris is not a supporter of crypto, if trump loses and kamala becomes president it will likely affect the price of bitcoin to plummet.
The panic that makes the price of bitcoin plummet even further, because some people sell because they see the market is declining.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: Wiseman on August 17, 2024, 10:01:34 PM
Personally, I don’t think it’s worth worrying about someone (even the US government) selling a small percentage of the entire issue, it’s actually very little, as they say, it’s a drop in the ocean, it’s another inflated manipulation and as we can see, not particularly successful, since in fact it didn’t harm the entire market, Bitcoin can fall and grow even without such news, and sometimes much more.
Bad news will only have a temporary impact on the market, because after that the market will find its rhythm again. The main factors of price are demand and supply, when bad news is likely demand will decrease due to investor concerns, some will even sell their coins at a loss because of panic. But I don't think this will last long, I believe bitcoin will rise again when demand starts to rise.

The market can be compared to a taut bowstring and when there is no very good news for a very long time, then soon there should be a lot of good news, for now everything is calm, but sooner or later the trend will change and the market will fly up, I think it simply cannot work differently.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: KryptoBull on August 19, 2024, 08:28:27 AM
Personally, I don’t think it’s worth worrying about someone (even the US government) selling a small percentage of the entire issue, it’s actually very little, as they say, it’s a drop in the ocean, it’s another inflated manipulation and as we can see, not particularly successful, since in fact it didn’t harm the entire market, Bitcoin can fall and grow even without such news, and sometimes much more.
The value of BTC held by governments may be significantly smaller than BTC marketcap but could be nearly equal to the market's actual liquidity. When they sell off BTC, all buy orders are absorbed and BTC price will fall to a lower price range. We've already seen this when the German government sold out 50K BTC and pushed BTC price down to 54K USD.

What's even scarier is that these events of moving BTC in a negative market can trigger fear among retail investors and cause them to sell off their BTC in panic, further driving down BTC price. As a result, the market will turn red and altcoins could lose 50% or even 75% of their value. This is what I worry about whenever I read news about government BTC movements or the Mt.Gox BTC payout event.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: legend45 on August 19, 2024, 09:05:57 AM
Personally, I don’t think it’s worth worrying about someone (even the US government) selling a small percentage of the entire issue, it’s actually very little, as they say, it’s a drop in the ocean, it’s another inflated manipulation and as we can see, not particularly successful, since in fact it didn’t harm the entire market, Bitcoin can fall and grow even without such news, and sometimes much more.
The value of BTC held by governments may be significantly smaller than BTC marketcap but could be nearly equal to the market's actual liquidity. When they sell off BTC, all buy orders are absorbed and BTC price will fall to a lower price range. We've already seen this when the German government sold out 50K BTC and pushed BTC price down to 54K USD.

What's even scarier is that these events of moving BTC in a negative market can trigger fear among retail investors and cause them to sell off their BTC in panic, further driving down BTC price. As a result, the market will turn red and altcoins could lose 50% or even 75% of their value. This is what I worry about whenever I read news about government BTC movements or the Mt.Gox BTC payout event.
Sales of Bitcoin Large Magnitude by the government made Bitcoin experience sharp correction, of course this makes us panic but the lamma who has invested in Bitcoin only while, after knowing the cause they will return to their original plans, do not sell their coins but for them Only the beginning of investing and not yet familiar with Bitcoin will panic and the possibility of selling their Bitcoin losses, this is silly but that's the experience of butch when you get it.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: kulkhan on August 20, 2024, 05:38:10 PM
Actually i am not worried about US governments statistics about Bitcoin. They are not Selling they are Also buying and holding Bitcoin in this situation. I think it is US governments economic policy. When they (US Government) saw green position and they will saw profit then they can sell his Bitcoin. But they are not selling all Coin.
Even then they are seeing Down market then they are buying Crypto and spatially Bitcoin. So i think there has no any issu for worried at this moment.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: Themepen on August 20, 2024, 06:20:56 PM

The value of BTC held by governments may be significantly smaller than BTC marketcap but could be nearly equal to the market's actual liquidity. When they sell off BTC, all buy orders are absorbed and BTC price will fall to a lower price range. We've already seen this when the German government sold out 50K BTC and pushed BTC price down to 54K USD.

What's even scarier is that these events of moving BTC in a negative market can trigger fear among retail investors and cause them to sell off their BTC in panic, further driving down BTC price. As a result, the market will turn red and altcoins could lose 50% or even 75% of their value. This is what I worry about whenever I read news about government BTC movements or the Mt.Gox BTC payout event.
I agree with you that it is worrying when governments have a lot of Bitcoin and they may sell it. Even if they do not have much compared to whole market selling it could still cause big problems and make price go down. I also remember when German government sold 50,000 Bitcoins and price dropped to $54,000. That is scary example.

If governments sell their Bitcoins regular investors might get scared and sell theirs too. This could make  price drop even more and cause big problems for whole cryptocurrency market not just Bitcoin. Other cryptocurrencies also lose their value. We need to keep an eye on what governments are doing with their Bitcoins like when they sell or move them because it could have big and bad effects on market.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: Wiseman on August 21, 2024, 12:48:08 PM
The value of BTC held by governments may be significantly smaller than BTC marketcap but could be nearly equal to the market's actual liquidity. When they sell off BTC, all buy orders are absorbed and BTC price will fall to a lower price range. We've already seen this when the German government sold out 50K BTC and pushed BTC price down to 54K USD.

What's even scarier is that these events of moving BTC in a negative market can trigger fear among retail investors and cause them to sell off their BTC in panic, further driving down BTC price. As a result, the market will turn red and altcoins could lose 50% or even 75% of their value. This is what I worry about whenever I read news about government BTC movements or the Mt.Gox BTC payout event.

I think that fear doesn’t play a big role and there are already a bunch of videos on the internet about it and many people already know that they can’t sell, I think that traders do this when they find out that they are moving a large number of bitcoins and on futures everyone is betting on a decline, thereby pushing the market even harder.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: taufik123 on August 21, 2024, 07:33:26 PM
I think that fear doesn’t play a big role and there are already a bunch of videos on the internet about it and many people already know that they can’t sell, I think that traders do this when they find out that they are moving a large number of bitcoins and on futures everyone is betting on a decline, thereby pushing the market even harder.
There will be more futures traders who bet on the decline, this can even make them more profitable because of the negative news about bitcoin moves or massive bitcoin sales, so it is a good moment to go Short and see how the liquidation occurs on the Long trading position that occurs.

Those who trade in the spot probably won't panic too much if they already know what to expect. It is only necessary to make a repurchase to add assets at a cheaper price, there is no need to panic because after a big decline there will be a big increase and that is for sure.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: Captain Corporate on August 21, 2024, 08:07:53 PM
Just because the government has these, doesn't mean that they are looking to sell it at all times. Remember, USA is one of the richest nations in the world if not the richest, and they keep on printing new money whenever they want to and they still do not go down, which should tell you all you need to do know about them really. I feel like its quite important information that they can keep that as long as they want, without ever feeling the need to sell it. Even if they do, the market is so big, like trillions of dollars worth of big, that we can always recover from that as long as people are willing to buy more.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: |MINER| on August 21, 2024, 09:30:34 PM
Just because the government has these, doesn't mean that they are looking to sell it at all times. Remember, USA is one of the richest nations in the world if not the richest, and they keep on printing new money whenever they want to and they still do not go down, which should tell you all you need to do know about them really. I feel like its quite important information that they can keep that as long as they want, without ever feeling the need to sell it. Even if they do, the market is so big, like trillions of dollars worth of big, that we can always recover from that as long as people are willing to buy more.
Actually If I say about my opinion about this topic then I have to say that when whale come for investment or any institute want to come hold bitcoin on the large amount it a worried thing because that time they can manipulate the market some how.
Even the manipulation was not for the long-term but I think a lots of people faced loss in that short period.And there is also a hope and that is the way the US government are moving to bitcoin on the others hand the mores peoples are entering on the bitcoin market and this is the thing it will in the decentralized.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: gunhell16 on August 21, 2024, 10:51:59 PM
In this day and age,age, there is no stopping the Bitcoin adaptations that people around the world can do. Not all corners,corners, but the majority of the country,country, will be recognized and accepted by the governments as an asset that can help the economy of each country and each individual.

Because of the technology that Bitcoin has, it is undeniable that the size of the impact on the technology that we have in this era from usage, features, and opportunity makes Bitcoin good.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: Wiseman on August 22, 2024, 09:00:04 AM
Those who trade in the spot probably won't panic too much if they already know what to expect. It is only necessary to make a repurchase to add assets at a cheaper price, there is no need to panic because after a big decline there will be a big increase and that is for sure.

Everything is correct and I think so too, but I will tell you that few people trade on futures, many are afraid to trade there and prefer to trade on the spot market, this is mostly due to the fact that people do not understand very well how to trade correctly and many prefer to trade only on the spot market.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: Mr. Magkaisa on August 22, 2024, 07:01:12 PM
Bad news will only have a temporary impact on the market, because after that the market will find its rhythm again. The main factors of price are demand and supply, when bad news is likely demand will decrease due to investor concerns, some will even sell their coins at a loss because of panic. But I don't think this will last long, I believe bitcoin will rise again when demand starts to rise.

I think some people sell their Bitcoin to mitigate their positions, some of this people that sell Bitcoin don't have choice because they operate with leverage trading which involves some high risk and when Bitcoin move against their predictions, they quick to unload their Bitcoin into the market which cause a quick squash on the market price.

I want to see more demand other this US government thing, if Trump get played again and Kamala get into the office, the Bitcoin price will be screwed and probably get manipulated by the whales again for their own personal gains.

       -      If a country's government has a huge amount of Bitcoin, we can consider it one of the whales that has the ability to somehow lower the price of Bitcoin in the market. But it is not for sure that the price of Bitcoin will also recover.

Because there may also be other governments that, due to the sale of a large amount of bitcoin by a country's government, for sure once the price of bitcoin drops, they will take advantage of it to make a dip in bitcoin, lowering its price in the market by a large amount of bitcoin, so the tendency is that the price of bitcoin will also rise again, apart from the other crypto holders around the world.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: nakmantu99 on August 22, 2024, 09:28:36 PM

       -      If a country's government has a huge amount of Bitcoin, we can consider it one of the whales that has the ability to somehow lower the price of Bitcoin in the market. But it is not for sure that the price of Bitcoin will also recover.

Because there may also be other governments that, due to the sale of a large amount of bitcoin by a country's government, for sure once the price of bitcoin drops, they will take advantage of it to make a dip in bitcoin, lowering its price in the market by a large amount of bitcoin, so the tendency is that the price of bitcoin will also rise again, apart from the other crypto holders around the world.
Actually, we don't need to worry about the whales' game at the moment, because the bullish season hasn't happened yet and it's possible that whales will try to lower the price of bitcoin to be able to buy bitcoin at a low price before the bullish season. Once they get what they want, it's possible that the price of bitcoin will return to normal. And during the bullish season they will sell their bitcoins and make a profit.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: KryptoBull on August 24, 2024, 06:51:18 AM
Actually, we don't need to worry about the whales' game at the moment, because the bullish season hasn't happened yet and it's possible that whales will try to lower the price of bitcoin to be able to buy bitcoin at a low price before the bullish season. Once they get what they want, it's possible that the price of bitcoin will return to normal. And during the bullish season they will sell their bitcoins and make a profit.
I don't view governments as whales, regardless of what conspiracy theories might suggest or speculate about for the sake of media buzz. Governments have long had their own regulations regarding the liquidation of assets from criminals, and they're simply applying these rules mechanically, like the German government. The US government also has a habit of moving BTC for various purposes, such as liquidations or enhancing the security for their BTC.

Perhaps governments haven't yet succumbed to FOMO to the point of engaging in dump-and-pump schemes to increase the amount of BTC in their budgets, as this is a significant matter that requires congressional approval and public disclosure, similar to what El Salvador did. I believe that BTC is merely a tool being misused for political purposes in the US during this election: Trump wants to make BTC a national reserve asset, but someone is constantly moving BTC as if they intend to sell everything before Trump can become president and implement his grand plans.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: Kemarit on August 24, 2024, 10:47:51 AM

       -      If a country's government has a huge amount of Bitcoin, we can consider it one of the whales that has the ability to somehow lower the price of Bitcoin in the market. But it is not for sure that the price of Bitcoin will also recover.

Because there may also be other governments that, due to the sale of a large amount of bitcoin by a country's government, for sure once the price of bitcoin drops, they will take advantage of it to make a dip in bitcoin, lowering its price in the market by a large amount of bitcoin, so the tendency is that the price of bitcoin will also rise again, apart from the other crypto holders around the world.
Actually, we don't need to worry about the whales' game at the moment, because the bullish season hasn't happened yet and it's possible that whales will try to lower the price of bitcoin to be able to buy bitcoin at a low price before the bullish season. Once they get what they want, it's possible that the price of bitcoin will return to normal. And during the bullish season they will sell their bitcoins and make a profit.

We are already at the bullish season if I'm not mistaken, halving is completed and this is the catalyst for a bull run. Although we need to wait for months before we can finally see a massive uptick in the price. Nevertheless, we have reach all time high already at $73,000 but it is not the peak.

And I think we shouldn't worry not just the US government, but any other government for that matter when they move their Bitcoin. It might have impact in the price, but still when we are in the bull run, no matter what the negative news are, the price is going to march into a new all time high and in this cycle, $100,000 might be waiting for us in 2025.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: nakmantu99 on August 24, 2024, 02:58:26 PM


We are already at the bullish season if I'm not mistaken, halving is completed and this is the catalyst for a bull run. Although we need to wait for months before we can finally see a massive uptick in the price. Nevertheless, we have reach all time high already at $73,000 but it is not the peak.

And I think we shouldn't worry not just the US government, but any other government for that matter when they move their Bitcoin. It might have impact in the price, but still when we are in the bull run, no matter what the negative news are, the price is going to march into a new all time high and in this cycle, $100,000 might be waiting for us in 2025.
We should not care about the negative news circulating if we already have a long-term hold goal. Bullish season will happen next year, don't care about the US, Germany etc. We remain focused on looking at the sales plan that we have targeted. I planned to sell bitcoin at $100K, but I sold some of my bitcoins.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: KryptoBull on August 25, 2024, 07:47:16 AM
We are already at the bullish season if I'm not mistaken, halving is completed and this is the catalyst for a bull run. Although we need to wait for months before we can finally see a massive uptick in the price. Nevertheless, we have reach all time high already at $73,000 but it is not the peak.

And I think we shouldn't worry not just the US government, but any other government for that matter when they move their Bitcoin. It might have impact in the price, but still when we are in the bull run, no matter what the negative news are, the price is going to march into a new all time high and in this cycle, $100,000 might be waiting for us in 2025.
If whales truly want to profit, they would follow market behaviors instead of trying to manipulate at all costs, as that would require a lot of money and time. We've had the halving and can be optimistic about market growth, because whales have no reason to break the cycle of BTC price.

Besides El Salvador, I don't consider other governments as whales, they are just external entities that happen to own a lot of BTC from criminals. We shouldn't worry too much about this because the upward trend is still ongoing on the BTC price chart, although occasional sell-offs from them can cause significant market fluctuations.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: doc on August 25, 2024, 09:37:20 AM
We are already at the bullish season if I'm not mistaken, halving is completed and this is the catalyst for a bull run. Although we need to wait for months before we can finally see a massive uptick in the price. Nevertheless, we have reach all time high already at $73,000 but it is not the peak.

And I think we shouldn't worry not just the US government, but any other government for that matter when they move their Bitcoin. It might have impact in the price, but still when we are in the bull run, no matter what the negative news are, the price is going to march into a new all time high and in this cycle, $100,000 might be waiting for us in 2025.
If whales truly want to profit, they would follow market behaviors instead of trying to manipulate at all costs, as that would require a lot of money and time. We've had the halving and can be optimistic about market growth, because whales have no reason to break the cycle of BTC price.

Besides El Salvador, I don't consider other governments as whales, they are just external entities that happen to own a lot of BTC from criminals. We shouldn't worry too much about this because the upward trend is still ongoing on the BTC price chart, although occasional sell-offs from them can cause significant market fluctuations.
Maybe the ones who can really manipulate the market are a group of whales because if there is only one whale, it is difficult for them to manipulate the market, because it takes a lot of funds to do so. El Salvador is a country that pioneered legalizing bitcoin as a payment method, maybe the El Salvador government has a lot of bitcoin. This is just a guess.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: KryptoBull on August 28, 2024, 07:22:20 AM
Maybe the ones who can really manipulate the market are a group of whales because if there is only one whale, it is difficult for them to manipulate the market, because it takes a lot of funds to do so. El Salvador is a country that pioneered legalizing bitcoin as a payment method, maybe the El Salvador government has a lot of bitcoin. This is just a guess.
We can track on-chain data related to many whale wallet addresses and can only know the identities behind those addresses when the information is publicly disclosed. Usually, everything is confidential, and only professional on-chain analysts have the ability and data to predict whale actions.

Governments typically focus on managing and operating based on tax revenue from citizens. I don't think they're willing to use public funds to trade or manipulate the crypto market by moving or selling tokens to dump, then secretly buying them back somehow. Even the US government isn't necessarily a whale because their BTC movements are usually not associated with major market fluctuations.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: Wiseman on August 28, 2024, 02:26:06 PM
The transfer and sale of large amounts of bitcoins by the government is certainly not good, but this is a very small part of these bitcoins. It is worth worrying if they start selling large wallets that are more than 10 years old and which make up half of the entire issue. Then it is worth thinking about a temporary release of their cryptocurrencies, and not even in USDT, but in euro or dollar.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: KryptoBull on August 29, 2024, 08:05:18 AM
The transfer and sale of large amounts of bitcoins by the government is certainly not good, but this is a very small part of these bitcoins. It is worth worrying if they start selling large wallets that are more than 10 years old and which make up half of the entire issue. Then it is worth thinking about a temporary release of their cryptocurrencies, and not even in USDT, but in euro or dollar.
We cannot know for sure how much BTC governments hold. Everything is reported and recorded based on the information they provide, and we temporarily believe these figures. The conspiracy theory about the US government creating BTC and holding Satoshi's 1M BTC is quite intriguing but unproven.

Currently, the market has gradually become accustomed to events involving large-scale movements or sell-offs of BTC. This will be a part of the future market if governments hold BTC in their national reserves. We need to get used to them but also avoid being negatively impacted by this news.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: gunhell16 on August 29, 2024, 10:30:28 AM

       -      If a country's government has a huge amount of Bitcoin, we can consider it one of the whales that has the ability to somehow lower the price of Bitcoin in the market. But it is not for sure that the price of Bitcoin will also recover.

Because there may also be other governments that, due to the sale of a large amount of bitcoin by a country's government, for sure once the price of bitcoin drops, they will take advantage of it to make a dip in bitcoin, lowering its price in the market by a large amount of bitcoin, so the tendency is that the price of bitcoin will also rise again, apart from the other crypto holders around the world.
Actually, we don't need to worry about the whales' game at the moment, because the bullish season hasn't happened yet and it's possible that whales will try to lower the price of bitcoin to be able to buy bitcoin at a low price before the bullish season. Once they get what they want, it's possible that the price of bitcoin will return to normal. And during the bullish season they will sell their bitcoins and make a profit.

At this point that you are saying, dude, I agree with that we should not be worried about those whale investors; in fact, instead of us worrying about what they should be worried about, let's do our best because that will also be their weakness in the end.

Although whale investors do not have the same thoughts, we who are not as rich as them should not lose hope and continue to be patient because, for sure, in the end we will succeed.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: rizqillah on August 29, 2024, 11:32:39 PM

At this point that you are saying, dude, I agree with that we should not be worried about those whale investors; in fact, instead of us worrying about what they should be worried about, let's do our best because that will also be their weakness in the end.

Although whale investors do not have the same thoughts, we who are not as rich as them should not lose hope and continue to be patient because, for sure, in the end we will succeed.
People with big capital always have big profit opportunities and they are calmer in looking at the market. Even a group of whales will also manipulate the market and this is a fact that happens. We don't need to worry about whales, because we should follow their game to get profit. I agree with this opinion.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: KryptoBull on August 31, 2024, 08:28:26 AM
People with big capital always have big profit opportunities and they are calmer in looking at the market. Even a group of whales will also manipulate the market and this is a fact that happens. We don't need to worry about whales, because we should follow their game to get profit. I agree with this opinion.
With existing on-chain analysis tools, we can find traces of whale BTC movements, but it's really difficult to guess their true intentions: are they moving to decentralize storage, to mislead investors, or to sell off for profit? The movement of BTC by the US government is also quite puzzling, and we usually only know their true purpose after they make an announcement.

Swimming with the whales to make a profit is something many investors desire, but it's sometimes quite difficult to do because the whales capital is almost endless. They can withstand losses, they can manage risk, and they can allocate capital extremely efficiently. If an investor goes all-in on a token just because it's in a whale's portfolio, that investor may still face losses if the token is abandoned or doesn't form a price pattern suitable for pumping.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: Jating on August 31, 2024, 08:52:09 AM
The transfer and sale of large amounts of bitcoins by the government is certainly not good, but this is a very small part of these bitcoins. It is worth worrying if they start selling large wallets that are more than 10 years old and which make up half of the entire issue. Then it is worth thinking about a temporary release of their cryptocurrencies, and not even in USDT, but in euro or dollar.
We cannot know for sure how much BTC governments hold. Everything is reported and recorded based on the information they provide, and we temporarily believe these figures. The conspiracy theory about the US government creating BTC and holding Satoshi's 1M BTC is quite intriguing but unproven.

You can used this tracker to see how much the US government and other entities hold as far as crypto goes,

https://platform.arkhamintelligence.com/explorer/entity/usg (https://platform.arkhamintelligence.com/explorer/entity/usg)

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U.S. Government

$12,427,947,836.20

Currently, the market has gradually become accustomed to events involving large-scale movements or sell-offs of BTC. This will be a part of the future market if governments hold BTC in their national reserves. We need to get used to them but also avoid being negatively impacted by this news.

Maybe, but from time to time, there are still some news that can really affect us in any way, shape or form. Just like what there is a news that the German government is offloading. It negatively impacted the price. But so far, the US government hasn't had any movement at all, they still holds 203.239K BTC and other major crypto assets.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: Wiseman on August 31, 2024, 09:00:36 AM
The transfer and sale of large amounts of bitcoins by the government is certainly not good, but this is a very small part of these bitcoins. It is worth worrying if they start selling large wallets that are more than 10 years old and which make up half of the entire issue. Then it is worth thinking about a temporary release of their cryptocurrencies, and not even in USDT, but in euro or dollar.
We cannot know for sure how much BTC governments hold. Everything is reported and recorded based on the information they provide, and we temporarily believe these figures. The conspiracy theory about the US government creating BTC and holding Satoshi's 1M BTC is quite intriguing but unproven.

Currently, the market has gradually become accustomed to events involving large-scale movements or sell-offs of BTC. This will be a part of the future market if governments hold BTC in their national reserves. We need to get used to them but also avoid being negatively impacted by this news.

I agree with you and I also heard this about who created Bitcoin, but you must understand that this is all guesswork and not the real truth, even if it is so, you cannot be sure that they will be able to do it the way they want, perhaps everything has long since gotten out of control and the price of Bitcoin is already much higher than someone wanted, including the American government, which is why they decided to sell their share of Bitcoin, but you are right in that you need to follow such news.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: KryptoBull on September 01, 2024, 09:25:21 AM
I agree with you and I also heard this about who created Bitcoin, but you must understand that this is all guesswork and not the real truth, even if it is so, you cannot be sure that they will be able to do it the way they want, perhaps everything has long since gotten out of control and the price of Bitcoin is already much higher than someone wanted, including the American government, which is why they decided to sell their share of Bitcoin, but you are right in that you need to follow such news.
Conspiracy theories will persist until they are completely debunked, especially when they involve financial gains for many parties. We may never know the truth, we only live with the information that someone wants us to know, including data related to BTC reserves held by countries, companies, and individuals. Published on-chain data only confirms the minimum amount of BTC a certain organization holds, they could easily have thousands more BTC stored in other addresses.

In 2023, on-chain analysis has also yielded significant profits for professional analysts, affirming the value of this new method in the crypto market, something we cannot do with the stock market. Unfortunately, information related to the U.S. government BTC movements has only had negative impacts and caused investor panic. On the bright side, it has created opportunities for long-term investors to buy BTC at lower prices and potentially earn greater profits in the future.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: Wiseman on September 03, 2024, 07:53:27 AM
I agree with you and I also heard this about who created Bitcoin, but you must understand that this is all guesswork and not the real truth, even if it is so, you cannot be sure that they will be able to do it the way they want, perhaps everything has long since gotten out of control and the price of Bitcoin is already much higher than someone wanted, including the American government, which is why they decided to sell their share of Bitcoin, but you are right in that you need to follow such news.
Conspiracy theories will persist until they are completely debunked, especially when they involve financial gains for many parties. We may never know the truth, we only live with the information that someone wants us to know, including data related to BTC reserves held by countries, companies, and individuals. Published on-chain data only confirms the minimum amount of BTC a certain organization holds, they could easily have thousands more BTC stored in other addresses.

In 2023, on-chain analysis has also yielded significant profits for professional analysts, affirming the value of this new method in the crypto market, something we cannot do with the stock market. Unfortunately, information related to the U.S. government BTC movements has only had negative impacts and caused investor panic. On the bright side, it has created opportunities for long-term investors to buy BTC at lower prices and potentially earn greater profits in the future.

The whole truth is a lie, and all lies are the truth)
I'm not sure that we will ever know the whole truth, especially about cryptocurrency, in which even countries have invested, we will hope for the continuation of the party (for further growth) and continue to make a profit, and we will leave all mysticism) and alleged conspiracies for later.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: KryptoBull on September 03, 2024, 02:20:19 PM
The whole truth is a lie, and all lies are the truth)
I'm not sure that we will ever know the whole truth, especially about cryptocurrency, in which even countries have invested, we will hope for the continuation of the party (for further growth) and continue to make a profit, and we will leave all mysticism) and alleged conspiracies for later.
Hihi, I rarely really care about truth or lies, for me only the value of assets in the portfolio is true and worth our focus on tracking. The participation of governments in this market may have existed for many years but is beyond my ability to speculate so I just focus on what I can do really well.

I will leave the right to speculate to those with more imagination in the field of art. The events we are experiencing now can be a source of material and ideas to become classic films about BTC/crypto in the future, similar to films about the 2008 financial crisis.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: legend45 on September 04, 2024, 10:28:18 PM
The whole truth is a lie, and all lies are the truth)
I'm not sure that we will ever know the whole truth, especially about cryptocurrency, in which even countries have invested, we will hope for the continuation of the party (for further growth) and continue to make a profit, and we will leave all mysticism) and alleged conspiracies for later.
Hihi, I rarely really care about truth or lies, for me only the value of assets in the portfolio is true and worth our focus on tracking. The participation of governments in this market may have existed for many years but is beyond my ability to speculate so I just focus on what I can do really well.

I will leave the right to speculate to those with more imagination in the field of art. The events we are experiencing now can be a source of material and ideas to become classic films about BTC/crypto in the future, similar to films about the 2008 financial crisis.
We always hear about government involvement in the crypto market, but I don't think the impact is that big. Even if there is a big sell-off, it will only have a temporary impact because the market will return to normal, because crypto investors are currently very large, they cannot be manipulated by whales or the government.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: Legion on September 05, 2024, 09:53:32 AM
The whole truth is a lie, and all lies are the truth)
I'm not sure that we will ever know the whole truth, especially about cryptocurrency, in which even countries have invested, we will hope for the continuation of the party (for further growth) and continue to make a profit, and we will leave all mysticism) and alleged conspiracies for later.
Hihi, I rarely really care about truth or lies, for me only the value of assets in the portfolio is true and worth our focus on tracking. The participation of governments in this market may have existed for many years but is beyond my ability to speculate so I just focus on what I can do really well.

I will leave the right to speculate to those with more imagination in the field of art. The events we are experiencing now can be a source of material and ideas to become classic films about BTC/crypto in the future, similar to films about the 2008 financial crisis.
We always hear about government involvement in the crypto market, but I don't think the impact is that big. Even if there is a big sell-off, it will only have a temporary impact because the market will return to normal, because crypto investors are currently very large, they cannot be manipulated by whales or the government.
Meanwhile, government involvement in the crypto market is discussed, yet its impact may not be as huge as many people would imagine. Although large sell-offs actually do tend to spur temporary volatility, the crypto market generally is resilient due to its large and varied investors. It is too hard for large entities or governments to manipulate the crypto market, with so many market participants involved. With time, the market usually normalizes and goes on developing in accordance with supply and demand dynamics.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: KryptoBull on September 06, 2024, 11:21:24 AM
Meanwhile, government involvement in the crypto market is discussed, yet its impact may not be as huge as many people would imagine. Although large sell-offs actually do tend to spur temporary volatility, the crypto market generally is resilient due to its large and varied investors. It is too hard for large entities or governments to manipulate the crypto market, with so many market participants involved. With time, the market usually normalizes and goes on developing in accordance with supply and demand dynamics.
I don't think the amount of BTC worth a few billion USD held by governments can manipulate and collapse the crypto market, but it could trigger investor fear and cause a significant short-term drop in BTC price. BTC's market cap is over 1T USD, but its actual liquidity isn't that high, so a sell-off worth 1B USD is enough to make BTC drop by 5-10%.

The opposite could happen in the future if governments officially announce buying BTC for their national reserves, similar to what El Salvador is doing. I believe governments won't be able to stay out of this massive financial wave, they will soon become top BTC holders.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: Wiseman on September 06, 2024, 12:48:58 PM
The whole truth is a lie, and all lies are the truth)
I'm not sure that we will ever know the whole truth, especially about cryptocurrency, in which even countries have invested, we will hope for the continuation of the party (for further growth) and continue to make a profit, and we will leave all mysticism) and alleged conspiracies for later.
Hihi, I rarely really care about truth or lies, for me only the value of assets in the portfolio is true and worth our focus on tracking. The participation of governments in this market may have existed for many years but is beyond my ability to speculate so I just focus on what I can do really well.

I will leave the right to speculate to those with more imagination in the field of art. The events we are experiencing now can be a source of material and ideas to become classic films about BTC/crypto in the future, similar to films about the 2008 financial crisis.

Absolutely right, you shouldn't think many years ahead and you shouldn't think that everything can collapse or blindly believe that everything can grow 100 times)) you need to follow short-term investments without thinking about the investments you will make for 5-10++ years, since cryptocurrency is unpredictable and you need to treat it as a means of earning money and not as something else.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: KryptoBull on September 08, 2024, 06:31:20 PM
Absolutely right, you shouldn't think many years ahead and you shouldn't think that everything can collapse or blindly believe that everything can grow 100 times)) you need to follow short-term investments without thinking about the investments you will make for 5-10++ years, since cryptocurrency is unpredictable and you need to treat it as a means of earning money and not as something else.
Just as you said, I believe in BTC's bright future in the next 20-50 years, but I can only focus on each 4-year cycle to optimize my profits. After all, we invest to make a profit and improve our lives. I don't want to just accumulate BTC and then hand it all over to my grandchildren.

Unfortunately, I'm not a trader so I can't make more profits in each price fluctuation in the crypto market. I can only accumulate BTC regardless of any market news in the period before the uptrend, whether it's positive or negative news for BTC and crypto.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: Azharul on September 09, 2024, 10:30:58 AM
Absolutely right, you shouldn't think many years ahead and you shouldn't think that everything can collapse or blindly believe that everything can grow 100 times)) you need to follow short-term investments without thinking about the investments you will make for 5-10++ years, since cryptocurrency is unpredictable and you need to treat it as a means of earning money and not as something else.
Just as you said, I believe in BTC's bright future in the next 20-50 years, but I can only focus on each 4-year cycle to optimize my profits. After all, we invest to make a profit and improve our lives. I don't want to just accumulate BTC and then hand it all over to my grandchildren.

Unfortunately, I'm not a trader so I can't make more profits in each price fluctuation in the crypto market. I can only accumulate BTC regardless of any market news in the period before the uptrend, whether it's positive or negative news for BTC and crypto.
I am also agree with you. If we follow in the cryptocurrency market, we can see that crypto currency market is already pass in a little down. In this time many traders and investors were face many problem. It also a best problem in cryptocurrency market. In this we listen that US government also moving BTC. So i believe that it will be great opportunity for cryptocurrency market. So i think that gradually BTC price will increase.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: doc on September 11, 2024, 11:00:04 AM
Absolutely right, you shouldn't think many years ahead and you shouldn't think that everything can collapse or blindly believe that everything can grow 100 times)) you need to follow short-term investments without thinking about the investments you will make for 5-10++ years, since cryptocurrency is unpredictable and you need to treat it as a means of earning money and not as something else.
Just as you said, I believe in BTC's bright future in the next 20-50 years, but I can only focus on each 4-year cycle to optimize my profits. After all, we invest to make a profit and improve our lives. I don't want to just accumulate BTC and then hand it all over to my grandchildren.

Unfortunately, I'm not a trader so I can't make more profits in each price fluctuation in the crypto market. I can only accumulate BTC regardless of any market news in the period before the uptrend, whether it's positive or negative news for BTC and crypto.
I don't think about bitcoin for 20-25 years because it's too long and we don't know what will happen in the next 25 years. I just think the same as you for 4 years, we should seek profit from each 4-year cycle. even though we have confidence that bitcoin will remain strong for the next 10-20 years.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: KryptoBull on September 11, 2024, 12:41:29 PM
I don't think about bitcoin for 20-25 years because it's too long and we don't know what will happen in the next 25 years. I just think the same as you for 4 years, we should seek profit from each 4-year cycle. even though we have confidence that bitcoin will remain strong for the next 10-20 years.
Everyone has the right to talk about the future according to their preferences, but the most important thing is still to take advantage of market fluctuations to make a profit. I am not a professional trader, I can only see large waves with a 4-year cycle to buy and sell. The necessary condition for success in the distant future is the right decisions for the near future!

For the time being, I hope that the BTC price will continue to rise strongly this season to maintain a better price performance than gold instead of reversing and falling sharply following the 15-year bubble model. That is a necessary condition for us to continue waiting for the event of BTC cap approaching Gold cap in the coming years.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: Parzival204 on September 11, 2024, 07:51:18 PM
Of course, rich people in America by moving their BTC portfolios won't make them lose. Remembering that in the upcoming election there is Trump who promises good news for BTC investors in America.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: lemar00 on September 11, 2024, 08:19:30 PM
Judging by the achievements of Bitcoin in the last 10 months i think we should be happy but some people seem not to understand that when something has an advantage it will also come with disadvantage which is what led to the high outflow of funds from the market.
Meanwhile, this is just the beginning since the institutional investor never joined the market early.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: nakmantu99 on September 11, 2024, 10:51:01 PM
I don't think about bitcoin for 20-25 years because it's too long and we don't know what will happen in the next 25 years. I just think the same as you for 4 years, we should seek profit from each 4-year cycle. even though we have confidence that bitcoin will remain strong for the next 10-20 years.
Everyone has the right to talk about the future according to their preferences, but the most important thing is still to take advantage of market fluctuations to make a profit. I am not a professional trader, I can only see large waves with a 4-year cycle to buy and sell. The necessary condition for success in the distant future is the right decisions for the near future!

For the time being, I hope that the BTC price will continue to rise strongly this season to maintain a better price performance than gold instead of reversing and falling sharply following the 15-year bubble model. That is a necessary condition for us to continue waiting for the event of BTC cap approaching Gold cap in the coming years.
I also just follow the 4 year cycle like you take advantage of market movements and make purchases during bearish seasons by choosing good potential coins and holding until next year. I trade in between free times and don't really focus there because I am also like you not a professional trader only doing spot trading on top coins that I think will get profit from those coins.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: bounceback on September 12, 2024, 07:50:36 AM
Honestly, I bit worried with US government because they have full power how to make many people panic and some altcoin project after facing cases with US Government there are no way return back to higher price. XRP become proof how to make price drop significant and difficult break to higher price again.
Better keep away from any project have problem with US Government because many coins dead after facing problem with SEC Commission, I think US government have possibility make bitcoin or altcoin get down awhile although bigger opportunity recovery to the higher price as usually bitcoin and altcoin habit.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: debra on September 12, 2024, 09:59:53 PM
As far as I know, this issues has been over. US Government only moved the Bitcoin in to new wallets, they didn't sell the Bitcoin into market. So, what we must be worried with this? I think we have no reason to feel worried because it won't influence the price in the market for a long time. Even if there will be price decrease in Bitcoin, it should be for temporary only. If we are long term holders, just don't think about it too much.  :)

Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: kai on September 13, 2024, 07:21:30 PM
As far as I know, this issues has been over. US Government only moved the Bitcoin in to new wallets,
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Something that is valuable and owned by the state must not be sold because it can be the country's income. If the country's assets are sold, it is definitely ridiculous. Bitcoin owned by the US government will definitely not be sold because Bitcoin can be a good future asset/solid/and has future value because the supply is limited.
My thinking is also the same, the Bitcoin owned by the US government is moved to the wallet to make it more fresh, safe and so that it can be protected with a new private key and wallet that is safer.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the US Government moving BTC?
Post by: KryptoBull on September 14, 2024, 09:18:21 AM
As far as I know, this issues has been over. US Government only moved the Bitcoin in to new wallets, they didn't sell the Bitcoin into market. So, what we must be worried with this? I think we have no reason to feel worried because it won't influence the price in the market for a long time. Even if there will be price decrease in Bitcoin, it should be for temporary only. If we are long term holders, just don't think about it too much.  :)
From on-chain data, we only know that the US government is moving their BTC without knowing the exact purpose. They might just be moving it to ensure security, or they might be transferring it to OTC and selling it to whales to get fiat. However, the initial reaction of investors upon hearing this news is to worry about the possibility that the US government will sell BTC, causing BTC price on the market to decrease.

Humans often worry about events that could harm their personal assets. When this worry resonates together, we have panic in the market psychology and the price of BTC can go down. Therefore, whether or not the US government actually sells BTC, as long as investors are worried about it, it is enough to cause BTC price to decrease and create real losses for investors.