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Title: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: pawel7777 on May 02, 2024, 12:33:55 AM
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I think such an important, unification fight deserves its own topic.

The legendary fight for the Undisputed Heavyweight Champion is only a little over 2 weeks away. Both fighters are undefeated in their professional boxing careers and both put their belts on the line, which are as follows:
WBA (Super), WBC, IBF, WBO, IBO, The Ring

So far, Fury is a favourite but only a slight one with odds as follows:

Fury: x1,84
Draw: x16.0
Usyk: x2.00

Feel free to share your thoughts and predictions.

I was ready to put my money on Fury, but having some second thoughts after his rather poor performance against Ngannou.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: robelneo on May 02, 2024, 01:34:05 AM


I was ready to put my money on Fury, but having some second thoughts after his rather poor performance against Ngannou.

This time it is different Fury knows what is at stake here, Fury did not train fully on the Ngannou fight and he takes him for granted, but this time around it is very different, Fury based on videos that are circulating is training hard for this match.

He knows what is at stake here this could well be the biggest fight of his career because this is a unification bout and the winner will be considered the greatest boxer of this generation, so he is all out in his training and his motivation is very high, I'll go for Fury because he delivers when it matters the most.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: bisdak40 on May 02, 2024, 03:41:41 AM
I was ready to put my money on Fury, but having some second thoughts after his rather poor performance against Ngannou.

Fury's last performance might be deceiving for us bettors but still i'll be backing for him due to his size advantage. Fury is very clever is using that advantage to wear out Oleksandr Usyk. That cut on the eyebrow might be a blessing in disguise for Team Fury as they have more time to prepare for this fight.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: Zed0X on May 02, 2024, 03:30:59 PM
I find it hard to believe this is really happening. Yeah, Fury's performance against Ngannou is below his usual standard but I'm still putting my money on him. Tyson could win by volume and I might bet on a win by decision as well. Usyk is tough to knockout and probably has good conditioning.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: robelneo on May 02, 2024, 07:20:38 PM
I find it hard to believe this is really happening. Yeah, Fury's performance against Ngannou is below his usual standard but I'm still putting my money on him. Tyson could win by volume and I might bet on a win by decision as well. Usyk is tough to knockout and probably has good conditioning.

You're not the only one people still believes in Fury, every boxer has a bad night and the Ngannou is one bad night but still, it did not define him on who he is as a boxer, I believe he is still the same Fury that we all know that beat Wilder twice and come fight night he will crown himself as the undisputed heavyweight champion.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: pawel7777 on May 02, 2024, 08:23:36 PM
This time it is different Fury knows what is at stake here, Fury did not train fully on the Ngannou fight and he takes him for granted, but this time around it is very different, Fury based on videos that are circulating is training hard for this match.

That's not what he said though. He wasn't making any excuses after the Ngannou fight, said he did take him seriously and came properly prepared.
And it wasn't just the Ngannou fight, he got knocked down few times (can't remember how many exactly) by Wilder in the trilogy.
Usyk on the other hand is not only very skilled but also very consistent in his performances. Fury is more chaotic and unpredictable, but who knows, maybe that will work in his favour.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: Baofeng on May 02, 2024, 11:26:29 PM
I was ready to put my money on Fury, but having some second thoughts after his rather poor performance against Ngannou.

Fury's last performance might be deceiving for us bettors but still i'll be backing for him due to his size advantage. Fury is very clever is using that advantage to wear out Oleksandr Usyk. That cut on the eyebrow might be a blessing in disguise for Team Fury as they have more time to prepare for this fight.

Yes, he might have underestimated Ngannou that time. And AJ capitalized that with training very hard and not give Ngannou a chance and so AJ stock has gone up and he could probably waiting for the winner of this fight.

Fury is still has the slight advantage in the odds so I'm not surprise.

Yes, I'm seeing his using his weight to wear down Usyk, just like what he did on Wilder. Clinching and then putting all his weight, it could tire Usyk in the latter rounds and Fury winning points on the judges scorecard.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: notblox1 on May 02, 2024, 11:58:35 PM
I think such an important, unification fight deserves its own topic.
Yes, this is must watch fight and maybe one of the biggest boxing events in decades.
I never understood all boxing promotions with different belts, but I know this fight will decide who is the best heavyweight fighter in the world.
I think fight will not go to distance but Fury is better fighter in my opinion, but there are some holes in his fighting style that can be used by Usyk.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: pawel7777 on May 10, 2024, 07:38:40 PM
Yes, this is must watch fight and maybe one of the biggest boxing events in decades.
I never understood all boxing promotions with different belts, but I know this fight will decide who is the best heavyweight fighter in the world.
I think fight will not go to distance but Fury is better fighter in my opinion, but there are some holes in his fighting style that can be used by Usyk.

I think it will likely go to distance. I don't see any of them knocking out the other guy. Usyk is too fast and too technical to be KO'ed easily, and Fury is just too big for Usyk, and even if he gets dropped, he probably will bounce back like he always does.
So I expect Fury to utilise jabs to keep Usyk at safe distance and Usyk will probably pepper Fury with quick but not too powerful combos to score some points. I wouldn't be very surprised if the fight ends as a draw, which would be very handy given they have a re-match clause in the contract (so I heard).
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: Rruchi man on May 10, 2024, 08:57:51 PM
Yes, this is must watch fight and maybe one of the biggest boxing events in decades.
It is a really big fight because the fight has been immortalized by the swiss luxury Jacob & co watch brand.
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see video here: https://www.instagram.com/p/C6wE-cKOkNh/?igsh=MTl0OGk0NWJjam52eA==

I can't pick an option between those fighters, maybe before the day of the fight, I will know which of them will have my support.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: robelneo on May 11, 2024, 07:36:29 PM
Yes, this is must watch fight and maybe one of the biggest boxing events in decades.
It is a really big fight because the fight has been immortalized by the swiss luxury Jacob & co watch brand.
(https://talkimg.com/images/2024/05/10/1aCFz.jpeg)

see video here: https://www.instagram.com/p/C6wE-cKOkNh/?igsh=MTl0OGk0NWJjam52eA==

I can't pick an option between those fighters, maybe before the day of the fight, I will know which of them will have my support.
The reason why this fight is huge and has been immortalized is this is the first time after Lennox Lewis that we will have an undisputed and lineal heavyweight champion, which means all titles in all four organizations are on one person, he will also get the lineal and possibly the title the greatest heavyweight champion of this era.
There is a really huge stake in this fight, and I'm sure there will be a lot of drama.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: pawel7777 on May 15, 2024, 12:45:37 AM
Tyson's father, John Fury, lost it and attacked one of the Usyk's entourage.
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/boxing/john-fury-usyk-headbutt-video-b2544166.html

It was a cheap move by the old man, it didn't seem like there was any real provocation, other than Usyk's team chanting his name.
You'd expect a little bit more restraint and self-control from a man of his age, instead he acted as an overly emotional teenager. Sucker headbutting non-aggressive and much smaller guy won't bring him any glory, not to mention that he seemed to suffer more damage than the Ukrainian lad, who btw gave an interview later on and wasn't too bothered by the situation.
I don't think Saudis would take any action, given the guy who got headbutted is unlikely to report it.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: bisdak40 on May 15, 2024, 07:47:13 AM
Tyson's father, John Fury, lost it and attacked one of the Usyk's entourage.
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/boxing/john-fury-usyk-headbutt-video-b2544166.html

It was a cheap move by the old man, it didn't seem like there was any real provocation, other than Usyk's team chanting his name.
You'd expect a little bit more restraint and self-control from a man of his age, instead he acted as an overly emotional teenager. Sucker headbutting non-aggressive and much smaller guy won't bring him any glory, not to mention that he seemed to suffer more damage than the Ukrainian lad, who btw gave an interview later on and wasn't too bothered by the situation.
I don't think Saudis would take any action, given the guy who got headbutted is unlikely to report it.

Things like this usually happens in a big event, burst of emotion but like you said that he should be the one composed as he is the senior of the team. He should thank to the Ukrainian lad for not reporting this event as that might the reason of his deportation from Saudi.

The fight will be this weekend and no movement so far in the betting odds, Fury is still the slight favorite.

Though i have not bet yet but definitely i would go for the bigger guy, Tyson Fury.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: luckyledger on May 15, 2024, 01:04:45 PM
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I think such an important, unification fight deserves its own topic.

The legendary fight for the Undisputed Heavyweight Champion is only a little over 2 weeks away. Both fighters are undefeated in their professional boxing careers and both put their belts on the line, which are as follows:
WBA (Super), WBC, IBF, WBO, IBO, The Ring

So far, Fury is a favourite but only a slight one with odds as follows:

Fury: x1,84
Draw: x16.0
Usyk: x2.00

Feel free to share your thoughts and predictions.

I was ready to put my money on Fury, but having some second thoughts after his rather poor performance against Ngannou.

Personally, I support Usyk, but it's my preference. If we are talking about Ngannou's fight, he is not the boxer, but he is definitely the opponent you don't want to see in the ring  :D
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: robelneo on May 15, 2024, 06:51:58 PM

Things like this usually happens in a big event, burst of emotion but like you said that he should be the one composed as he is the senior of the team. He should thank to the Ukrainian lad for not reporting this event as that might the reason of his deportation from Saudi.

The fight will be this weekend and no movement so far in the betting odds, Fury is still the slight favorite.

Though i have not bet yet but definitely i would go for the bigger guy, Tyson Fury.

The Furys tried to bully Usyk's team, as we all saw on the video; he was the first to instigate the attack, but Usyk's team did not retaliate. It is always like this: whenever the Fury has a huge fight, the Fury family is all over their opponent, and since this is a winner-take-all all match, John Fury wants
to impose their will on the other team.
John Fury doesn't have to do this. His son is already the favorite, so he should leave the fight between the two fighters and stop being a stage father like Bill Haney.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: electronicash on May 15, 2024, 10:33:17 PM

Things like this usually happens in a big event, burst of emotion but like you said that he should be the one composed as he is the senior of the team. He should thank to the Ukrainian lad for not reporting this event as that might the reason of his deportation from Saudi.

The fight will be this weekend and no movement so far in the betting odds, Fury is still the slight favorite.

Though i have not bet yet but definitely i would go for the bigger guy, Tyson Fury.

The Furys tried to bully Usyk's team, as we all saw on the video; he was the first to instigate the attack, but Usyk's team did not retaliate. It is always like this: whenever the Fury has a huge fight, the Fury family is all over their opponent, and since this is a winner-take-all all match, John Fury wants
to impose their will on the other team.
John Fury doesn't have to do this. His son is already the favorite, so he should leave the fight between the two fighters and stop being a stage father like Bill Haney.

his father do the marketing stuff for Tyson in his last iirc he also wants to be among the fight card with Mike Tyson.  ;D
this is a supportive family. probably the most supportive family that they are going to put their father on the spot to fight the opponents team.

it could be because they want more PPV sale.  and it must have worked since John have been doing this fighting attempt all the time.  maybe its working that John didn't have to find another way to hype a fight. 
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: robelneo on May 15, 2024, 11:21:30 PM

Things like this usually happens in a big event, burst of emotion but like you said that he should be the one composed as he is the senior of the team. He should thank to the Ukrainian lad for not reporting this event as that might the reason of his deportation from Saudi.

The fight will be this weekend and no movement so far in the betting odds, Fury is still the slight favorite.

Though i have not bet yet but definitely i would go for the bigger guy, Tyson Fury.

The Furys tried to bully Usyk's team, as we all saw on the video; he was the first to instigate the attack, but Usyk's team did not retaliate. It is always like this: whenever the Fury has a huge fight, the Fury family is all over their opponent, and since this is a winner-take-all all match, John Fury wants
to impose their will on the other team.
John Fury doesn't have to do this. His son is already the favorite, so he should leave the fight between the two fighters and stop being a stage father like Bill Haney.

his father do the marketing stuff for Tyson in his last iirc he also wants to be among the fight card with Mike Tyson.  ;D
this is a supportive family. probably the most supportive family that they are going to put their father on the spot to fight the opponents team.

it could be because they want more PPV sale.  and it must have worked since John have been doing this fighting attempt all the time.  maybe its working that John didn't have to find another way to hype a fight.

Very supportive indeed that if you are going to fight with Tyson Fury, you're fighting the Fury family. However, even without John's antics, this still has the makings of an epic fight. Besides, Tyson Fury has proven how good he is in attracting sales in gates and PPV, and this happens to be the first undisputed heavyweight titles clash since Lennox Lewis making this an epic fight already.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: bisdak40 on May 16, 2024, 10:39:26 AM
it could be because they want more PPV sale.  and it must have worked since John have been doing this fighting attempt all the time.  maybe its working that John didn't have to find another way to hype a fight.

Even without that bullying tactics, this fight will have massive PPV buys as this is for the unified heavyweight title and the boxing community is looking forward for this to happen a long time ago. John Fury just wants to have a role on this fight which is not needed anymore.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: robelneo on May 16, 2024, 02:07:51 PM
it could be because they want more PPV sale.  and it must have worked since John have been doing this fighting attempt all the time.  maybe its working that John didn't have to find another way to hype a fight.

Even without that bullying tactics, this fight will have massive PPV buys as this is for the unified heavyweight title and the boxing community is looking forward for this to happen a long time ago. John Fury just wants to have a role on this fight which is not needed anymore.

This is a history in the making fights, and the next generations will watch how everything unfolds here, so the Furys want to have a part of that story for the future generation, 1999 was when there was a unification of all titles, and this what makes this fight especially so whoever wins here will be the first champion after 25 years, both fighters can retire because they have completed something all the heavyweight fighters cannot in that 25 years span.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: Zed0X on May 16, 2024, 02:24:17 PM
The fight is getting closer. How are you betting on this fight or have you placed your bet already? Like I said before, I'm looking at Tyson by decision and the number is attractive @3.15. Him winning by KO/TKO @4.1 is better but obviously tougher to do.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: bitbit97 on May 16, 2024, 02:25:49 PM

Things like this usually happens in a big event, burst of emotion but like you said that he should be the one composed as he is the senior of the team. He should thank to the Ukrainian lad for not reporting this event as that might the reason of his deportation from Saudi.

The fight will be this weekend and no movement so far in the betting odds, Fury is still the slight favorite.

Though i have not bet yet but definitely i would go for the bigger guy, Tyson Fury.

The Furys tried to bully Usyk's team, as we all saw on the video; he was the first to instigate the attack, but Usyk's team did not retaliate. It is always like this: whenever the Fury has a huge fight, the Fury family is all over their opponent, and since this is a winner-take-all all match, John Fury wants
to impose their will on the other team.
John Fury doesn't have to do this. His son is already the favorite, so he should leave the fight between the two fighters and stop being a stage father like Bill Haney.

John Fury showed himself from bad side with that head kick. Not only it was a "sucker punch", but his opponent was way smaller than him. It looked like a school kid tried to bully a kid in diapers, and failed.

I never understand logic of all that. We have two professional fighters who knows how to protect themselves. But they always walk and are crowded by team and bodyguards on press conference and weigh-ins. Lets suppose drawl starts. What next? Professional fighter gets injured. The fight goes canceled. Everyone looses money, everyone fails to earn, opponent misses chance to get one more victory in record or belt. What is the idea to start such a fight, if because of you, your team suffers?
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: robelneo on May 16, 2024, 07:15:13 PM


I never understand logic of all that. We have two professional fighters who knows how to protect themselves. But they always walk and are crowded by team and bodyguards on press conference and weigh-ins. Lets suppose drawl starts. What next? Professional fighter gets injured. The fight goes canceled. Everyone looses money, everyone fails to earn, opponent misses chance to get one more victory in record or belt. What is the idea to start such a fight, if because of you, your team suffers?

That should not happen, especially in an epic fight like this. The promoters have spent a lot of money on preparation and promotion, and they might file a suit or case against the parties that started the brawl. Fighters should be protected at all costs. They know their obligation. They have bodyguards, and their bodyguards know what to do because they have instructions to protect their boxer at all costs.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: electronicash on May 16, 2024, 10:00:37 PM


I never understand logic of all that. We have two professional fighters who knows how to protect themselves. But they always walk and are crowded by team and bodyguards on press conference and weigh-ins. Lets suppose drawl starts. What next? Professional fighter gets injured. The fight goes canceled. Everyone looses money, everyone fails to earn, opponent misses chance to get one more victory in record or belt. What is the idea to start such a fight, if because of you, your team suffers?

That should not happen, especially in an epic fight like this. The promoters have spent a lot of money on preparation and promotion, and they might file a suit or case against the parties that started the brawl. Fighters should be protected at all costs. They know their obligation. They have bodyguards, and their bodyguards know what to do because they have instructions to protect their boxer at all costs.

that make sense. this is one of the biggest since we have not seen in decades such as unification fight in the HW division. they wouldn't want this cancelled anymore since they waited this long for this to happen.  and to see this fight is to happen in a country that can give them millions, its gonna be a disaster if one is injured.

by bitbit97's description, it looks like there really is a kid's brawl. i wouldn't be surprised if there is another brawl after the fight.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: Baofeng on May 17, 2024, 12:38:10 AM


I never understand logic of all that. We have two professional fighters who knows how to protect themselves. But they always walk and are crowded by team and bodyguards on press conference and weigh-ins. Lets suppose drawl starts. What next? Professional fighter gets injured. The fight goes canceled. Everyone looses money, everyone fails to earn, opponent misses chance to get one more victory in record or belt. What is the idea to start such a fight, if because of you, your team suffers?

That should not happen, especially in an epic fight like this. The promoters have spent a lot of money on preparation and promotion, and they might file a suit or case against the parties that started the brawl. Fighters should be protected at all costs. They know their obligation. They have bodyguards, and their bodyguards know what to do because they have instructions to protect their boxer at all costs.

that make sense. this is one of the biggest since we have not seen in decades such as unification fight in the HW division. they wouldn't want this cancelled anymore since they waited this long for this to happen.  and to see this fight is to happen in a country that can give them millions, its gonna be a disaster if one is injured.

by bitbit97's description, it looks like there really is a kid's brawl. i wouldn't be surprised if there is another brawl after the fight.

Not sure though if this is just to hype the fight or if John Fury is out of control. But there are news that the Fury has apologizes but the damage has been done and the Fury's should be ashamed of this action specially from John as he himself was a pro boxer and knows that this kind of acts in unacceptable. And with this, it just give Usyk more reasons to punish Fury in their fight.

Sort of to take revenge for what the Fury is doing and restore order in the HW division. There's no question that Fury is great, but with this kind of antics, many fans might be turning their backs on him.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: pawel7777 on May 17, 2024, 01:07:55 AM
Sort of to take revenge for what the Fury is doing and restore order in the HW division. There's no question that Fury is great, but with this kind of antics, many fans might be turning their backs on him.

Fury family are no saints, they have a lot of criminal connections. The most famous one was Tyson's former personal career adviser/promotor, Daniel Kinahan, a head of a violent drug cartel.
John Fury himself spent a couple of years behind bars for gauging a man's eye.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: LogitechMouse on May 17, 2024, 06:14:26 AM
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I was ready to put my money on Fury, but having some second thoughts after his rather poor performance against Ngannou.
I don't know, but basing your winner on his last fight on a non-boxer fighter is kind of off at least for me.
He's against an MMA fighter at that time, and not a full-fledged boxer so he has a huge advantage over that one.

This time, he will be up against an undefeated boxer as well who is dominating on his division. TBH, I already put my bet on Fury on this one, and also put a bet on him winning by decision.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: robelneo on May 17, 2024, 11:48:42 AM
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I was ready to put my money on Fury, but having some second thoughts after his rather poor performance against Ngannou.
I don't know, but basing your winner on his last fight on a non-boxer fighter is kind of off at least for me.
He's against an MMA fighter at that time, and not a full-fledged boxer so he has a huge advantage over that one.

This time, he will be up against an undefeated boxer as well who is dominating on his division. TBH, I already put my bet on Fury on this one, and also put a bet on him winning by decision.

I'll also go for Fury, Fury's last fight cannot tell if his skill and power are diminishing; he just had a lapse in his training and underestimated Ngannou, but this fight is so different, Fury knows what is at stake, and you and show in his training, and his body works, he is slimmer now well toned and it's the old Fury who beat Wilder two times, I have Fury winning by a knockout Fury's power and size matters on this fight.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: bisdak40 on May 17, 2024, 01:26:27 PM
Tyson Fury refuses a stare-down with Usyk, is this a sign that he is not confident that he could beat Usyk. Just weird though because this is the first i saw this scenario where a fighter refuses or does not engage in a stare-down.

Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: bitbit97 on May 17, 2024, 02:03:21 PM


I never understand logic of all that. We have two professional fighters who knows how to protect themselves. But they always walk and are crowded by team and bodyguards on press conference and weigh-ins. Lets suppose drawl starts. What next? Professional fighter gets injured. The fight goes canceled. Everyone looses money, everyone fails to earn, opponent misses chance to get one more victory in record or belt. What is the idea to start such a fight, if because of you, your team suffers?

That should not happen, especially in an epic fight like this. The promoters have spent a lot of money on preparation and promotion, and they might file a suit or case against the parties that started the brawl. Fighters should be protected at all costs. They know their obligation. They have bodyguards, and their bodyguards know what to do because they have instructions to protect their boxer at all costs.

I wasnt talking about protecting, I was talking why would such brawl even be started. What is the point of that? You are about to have a fight, with rules and etc. And you start pushing and throwing punches in press conference. Why not just wait day or two and do it officially.

I dont understand the "team" part in all that. Event and promotion hire bodyguards. That is for protection. A fighter comes with his coaches, sparing partners and friends. Fighters goal is to win during professional fight and earn money or belt. But, if someone of your team starts a brawl before the fight, and theoretically injures your opponent, then the fight is cancelled. Then due to your team you do not earn. <--- That logic I dont understand.

In the situation with John Fury. Look what could have happened. John headbutts Usyk team guy. That guy throws a counter punk. Some of Fury team members throws his punch and in all that mess accidentally punches Usyk. Usyk gets a cut, fight is postponed.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: pawel7777 on May 17, 2024, 06:02:17 PM
Tyson Fury refuses a stare-down with Usyk, is this a sign that he is not confident that he could beat Usyk. Just weird though because this is the first i saw this scenario where a fighter refuses or does not engage in a stare-down.

I agree, that looked very odd.
But was he really afraid of staring Usyk face-to-face? I don't think so, probably was just an idea that popped up in his mind at that moment. Or maybe he's just trying to get into Usyk's head by ignoring his presence etc, and make Oleksandr approach the fight too emotionally.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: robelneo on May 17, 2024, 06:48:45 PM
Tyson Fury refuses a stare-down with Usyk, is this a sign that he is not confident that he could beat Usyk. Just weird though because this is the first i saw this scenario where a fighter refuses or does not engage in a stare-down.

I agree, that looked very odd.
But was he really afraid of staring Usyk face-to-face? I don't think so, probably was just an idea that popped up in his mind at that moment. Or maybe he's just trying to get into Usyk's head by ignoring his presence etc, and make Oleksandr approach the fight too emotionally.

That was unusual for Fury. It was the first time I'd seen him like this in a face-off when interviewed and asked about it, he just said Usyk is one scary-looking dude, I don't know if it is a mind game or he is intimidated by Usyk, this is not the Fury we've seen in his past face-off, it becomes very interesting now, is Usyk going on his head now or just a strategy to make Usyk thinks he is intimidated.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: Rruchi man on May 17, 2024, 09:37:46 PM
Tyson Fury refuses a stare-down with Usyk, is this a sign that he is not confident that he could beat Usyk. Just weird though because this is the first i saw this scenario where a fighter refuses or does not engage in a stare-down.

I agree, that looked very odd.
But was he really afraid of staring Usyk face-to-face? I don't think so, probably was just an idea that popped up in his mind at that moment. Or maybe he's just trying to get into Usyk's head by ignoring his presence etc, and make Oleksandr approach the fight too emotionally.

That was unusual for Fury. It was the first time I'd seen him like this in a face-off when interviewed and asked about it, he just said Usyk is one scary-looking dude, I don't know if it is a mind game or he is intimidated by Usyk, this is not the Fury we've seen in his past face-off, it becomes very interesting now, is Usyk going on his head now or just a strategy to make Usyk thinks he is intimidated.

Fury wants to play the mind game and it is already working because, just as he has gotten us confused with why he acted that way, he also has gotten Usyk unsure of that action—was it out of fear or an action to deceive Usky that he was intimidated? It will be a very entertaining fight, that is what I expect, I still have no favorites, I just want to enjoy it, and I hope they both make the fight enjoyable.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: pawel7777 on May 18, 2024, 10:45:26 AM
Many were quite surprised by Usyk steping on scale and showing almost 6kg (or 12.5 pounds) heavier than in his fights against Joshua or Dubois, but it turned out to be a mistake caused my miscommunication between the supervisor and Michael Buffer.
His actual weight was not 233.5 pounds (106kg) but 223 pounds (101kg).

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/boxing/usyk-weight-wrong-fury-weighin-b2547157.html

For comparison, Fury is 262 pounds (119kg), so heavier by 39 pounds (almost 18kg).
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: robelneo on May 18, 2024, 01:38:24 PM


For comparison, Fury is 262 pounds (119kg), so heavier by 39 pounds (almost 18kg).

The gap is so vast that Fury will surely use the extra weight to his advantage when they get close; he will lean on him like Lewis did to Tyson and like he did in his fights against Wilder.
Usyk better be ready for his strategy of Fury; by the way, when Usyk was asked about his final message against Fury, he says
"Don't be afraid; I will not leave you alone tomorrow," it is now viral on the internet. This is going to be one hell of a fight and an epic battle; I have to get up very early in the morning because it a Saudi time, not the usual US time.

 
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: Zed0X on May 18, 2024, 01:59:25 PM
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That was unusual for Fury. It was the first time I'd seen him like this in a face-off when interviewed and asked about it, he just said Usyk is one scary-looking dude, I don't know if it is a mind game or he is intimidated by Usyk, this is not the Fury we've seen in his past face-off, it becomes very interesting now, is Usyk going on his head now or just a strategy to make Usyk thinks he is intimidated.
Or that it's Fury's subtle way of saying Usyk just looks ugly ;D

Neither of them looks intimidated but Usyk appears to be the more serious boxer of the two. He is so focused to win, which is great to see, but that could be a double-edge sword too. He might forget to loosen up during the fight.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: robelneo on May 18, 2024, 07:31:30 PM
The undercard is now starting, and it is 1 am here in my location I have to sleep a few hours lest I miss these epic events, compared to other title fights I watched where all were held in the US this is  a deviation from my normal time to watch this title fights, I hope I will not miss this big events I think the main event will start five hours from now
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: Rruchi man on May 18, 2024, 10:22:02 PM
For comparison, Fury is 262 pounds (119kg), so heavier by 39 pounds (almost 18kg).
Fury has had more KO's than Usyk, although younger in age, his size has been an advantage.

Fury can use the weight to his advantage again unless Usyk has already devised a technique and way to make sure that Fury does not get the upper hand. Fury looks in the best of shapes, and Usyk too; it is best to say both fighters will be giving their all. The two fighters are not used to losing, so when they are out to fight in a few hours, they will both be focused on winning.

Few hours to go.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: Baofeng on May 18, 2024, 11:19:06 PM
I already made my bet for Fury to win by decision here. ML is also a great bet, but Fury by decision is 3.x.

And so this is going to be historic fight for boxing fans as this is a unification fight and for sure we doesn't want to miss this big fight. And it looks like Fury was lighter than usual, meaning he wants more movement and will try to outbox as much as he can Usyk.

So goodluck to anyone here.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: JoyMarsha on May 19, 2024, 12:00:49 AM
Tyson Fury refuses a stare-down with Usyk, is this a sign that he is not confident that he could beat Usyk. Just weird though because this is the first i saw this scenario where a fighter refuses or does not engage in a stare-down.
I believe Tyson Fury wants to act that way, not that he's not courageous or intimidated to look Usyk in the face, he just wants to act that way until the day when they face each other in the ring one-on-one, they both will unleash the monster in them. That time none of them will look elsewhere to fight.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: pawel7777 on May 19, 2024, 12:15:57 AM
I already made my bet for Fury to win by decision here. ML is also a great bet, but Fury by decision is 3.x.

And so this is going to be historic fight for boxing fans as this is a unification fight and for sure we doesn't want to miss this big fight. And it looks like Fury was lighter than usual, meaning he wants more movement and will try to outbox as much as he can Usyk.

So goodluck to anyone here.

Yup, Fury clearly took this fight seriously and was really focussed on diet and cutting down his weight.
As I can see this fight going either way, I made a small bet an a draw at odds of x12.50
If the fight is really close, the judges might be hesitant to give it to any of them, knowing how much is at stake. And I hear they have a contracted option for a rematch.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: Captain Corporate on May 19, 2024, 12:31:18 AM
This is going to be not as much "viewed" or at least talked about as some of the other fights, something having more boxing meaning, doesn't mean that it has marketing value. Like even right now if you took evander holyfield and mike tyson and put them in a ring, it would be talked about more than this, or pacman vs Mayweather, still would be better talked. Are those four fighters better than these two? Of course not, these two would chew them up and spit them out, but marketing is something else. Hell Logan Paul may get closer numbers who knows. This has a lot more sentimental value, and of course boxers make some money from it too, but I seriously think not enough, they deserve even more.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: bisdak40 on May 19, 2024, 02:36:28 AM
I already made my bet for Fury to win by decision here. ML is also a great bet, but Fury by decision is 3.x.

And so this is going to be historic fight for boxing fans as this is a unification fight and for sure we doesn't want to miss this big fight. And it looks like Fury was lighter than usual, meaning he wants more movement and will try to outbox as much as he can Usyk.

So goodluck to anyone here.

We lost our bet bro as Usyk won by split decision, that could have been a very juicy odds if we bet for him hehe. A very close fight though that warrants a rematch, i just hope that they have a rematch clause.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: Zed0X on May 19, 2024, 05:56:09 AM
I lost this one too but the close fight still made it worth betting on. I think Fury played too much in the early round. We all know that it's part of his fighting style but, in a fight with so much at stake, nobody could afford to waste a round.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: robelneo on May 19, 2024, 06:40:25 AM
I lost this one too but the close fight still made it worth betting on. I think Fury played too much in the early round. We all know that it's part of his fighting style but, in a fight with so much at stake, nobody could afford to waste a round.

The fact is that it is going to the championship round. Fury believes that he is leading in the scorecard, which is why he is toying around, but the fight could have been over in round 9 if only the referee had not interfered. Is there a ruling in standing 8 counts? All I know is that you have to go down to be counted.
I agree with the decision that Usyk deserves the decision he connected more, he is the more aggressive one, I lost a bet to my cousin but its nothing compared to the excitement of the fight, I read that they will run this again come October, so we'll see.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: bisdak40 on May 19, 2024, 08:38:18 AM
I lost this one too but the close fight still made it worth betting on. I think Fury played too much in the early round. We all know that it's part of his fighting style but, in a fight with so much at stake, nobody could afford to waste a round.

The fact is that it is going to the championship round. Fury believes that he is leading in the scorecard, which is why he is toying around, but the fight could have been over in round 9 if only the referee had not interfered. Is there a ruling in standing 8 counts? All I know is that you have to go down to be counted.
I agree with the decision that Usyk deserves the decision he connected more, he is the more aggressive one, I lost a bet to my cousin but its nothing compared to the excitement of the fight, I read that they will run this again come October, so we'll see.

I was also puzzled on why the referee interfered in that round, i thought he interferes to stop the fight and award Usyk the TKO by it seems the he saved Fury from being knockout, that's the first i saw that scenario in pro boxing but Usyk have won the fight and it is now for Fury to activate the rematch clause.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: bitbit97 on May 19, 2024, 11:28:58 AM
The also looked strange to me. When Usyk landed those punches and Fury start to daze and dance around, usually fighters jump on their opponent with furious attacks and TKO opponents. This time, Usyk was either cautious, or was looking for one clear shot, or I dont know. As if he waited for referee to stop him from landing numerous unanswered punches, or referee was disturbed him with his either he is interfering and stopping or not the fight. Or referee was saving Fury from TKO. Or it was done un purpose because they have a rematch and they need a reason for that (split win looks better towards rematch than TKO). Strange feeling after that near to TKO situation.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: robelneo on May 19, 2024, 12:06:10 PM
I lost this one too but the close fight still made it worth betting on. I think Fury played too much in the early round. We all know that it's part of his fighting style but, in a fight with so much at stake, nobody could afford to waste a round.

The fact is that it is going to the championship round. Fury believes that he is leading in the scorecard, which is why he is toying around, but the fight could have been over in round 9 if only the referee had not interfered. Is there a ruling in standing 8 counts? All I know is that you have to go down to be counted.
I agree with the decision that Usyk deserves the decision he connected more, he is the more aggressive one, I lost a bet to my cousin but its nothing compared to the excitement of the fight, I read that they will run this again come October, so we'll see.

I was also puzzled on why the referee interfered in that round, i thought he interferes to stop the fight and award Usyk the TKO by it seems the he saved Fury from being knockout, that's the first i saw that scenario in pro boxing but Usyk have won the fight and it is now for Fury to activate the rematch clause.

The count was quite long. It's been a long time since I saw a standing 8 count. I thought all the boxing organizations had adopted the no-standing 8-count rule. The referee needs an explanation for this. It should have been a stoppage.

If the fight ended in a draw or Fury won, the referee's action would be very controversial. I read there is a rematch clause since the fight is close. They will have to do it again, probably before the end of this year.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: pawel7777 on May 19, 2024, 05:45:20 PM
I don't know if there's any official boxing rule saying that a boxer needs to drop to the ground (or kneel etc) before he can be considered knocked down and the counting can begin, but if it's up for the referee to decide, then I see no controversy re the round 9 situation.
Tyson was in trouble but he was conscious, so stopping the fight would be completely wrong, and I don't think Fury would necessarily be KO'd cold if the referee didn't step in. Anything could've happened, but, to me, it looked like Fury was about to drop on his knee before he noticed the ref got between himself and Usyk.
This doesn't matter though, as Usyk has still won, and during the post-fight interview, he wasn't bothered by the situation at all.
I haven't seen the full fight yet, only the extensive highlights, but think Usyk won fair and square. The rematch should be really exciting.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: electronicash on May 19, 2024, 08:02:27 PM
I don't know if there's any official boxing rule saying that a boxer needs to drop to the ground (or kneel etc) before he can be considered knocked down and the counting can begin, but if it's up for the referee to decide, then I see no controversy re the round 9 situation.
Tyson was in trouble but he was conscious, so stopping the fight would be completely wrong, and I don't think Fury would necessarily be KO'd cold if the referee didn't step in. Anything could've happened, but, to me, it looked like Fury was about to drop on his knee before he noticed the ref got between himself and Usyk.
This doesn't matter though, as Usyk has still won, and during the post-fight interview, he wasn't bothered by the situation at all.
I haven't seen the full fight yet, only the extensive highlights, but think Usyk won fair and square. The rematch should be really exciting.

lost money.

Fury was about to go down he couldn't even raise his hands, if it weren't for the referee stepping in, he'd be KO'd. i don't know if referee will also step in if this happens to Usyk but its definitely intervening to a fight result.
no referee would count it as knockdown when you just lean on ropes.

and then in the interview after the fight, Fury is saying that he could have box more if he knew he was losing. of course you are losing, the ref counted 8 on you. or its true that someone in his team advising him to keep coasting since he said he would have hit Usyk more if he just knew he is losing.
idk, its just ungraceful in defeat.

i don\t think Bin Salman is making money out of this kind of fight. they made this fight happen because the West couldn't make this fight to materialize because of the big money involve but this is how they make it?
i doubt there is a rematch to happen in Saudi.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: Baofeng on May 20, 2024, 12:35:09 AM
I already made my bet for Fury to win by decision here. ML is also a great bet, but Fury by decision is 3.x.

And so this is going to be historic fight for boxing fans as this is a unification fight and for sure we doesn't want to miss this big fight. And it looks like Fury was lighter than usual, meaning he wants more movement and will try to outbox as much as he can Usyk.

So goodluck to anyone here.

We lost our bet bro as Usyk won by split decision, that could have been a very juicy odds if we bet for him hehe. A very close fight though that warrants a rematch, i just hope that they have a rematch clause.

Yeah, very unfortunate bro, I don't know but it looks like there is something off with Fury in this fight. Not that we are making excuses, but the movement the brandish style is not there for him. So congrats to those who back up Usyk here by decision because it was like 4.x if I'm not mistaken.

Yes, there will be a rematch clause, so there is a chance that Fury can avenge his defeat. And in the rematch, I don't think that Fury will be the favorite. Usyk for sure will take the upperhand as far as betting odds.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: bitbit97 on May 20, 2024, 01:21:32 PM
I don't know if there's any official boxing rule saying that a boxer needs to drop to the ground (or kneel etc) before he can be considered knocked down and the counting can begin, but if it's up for the referee to decide, then I see no controversy re the round 9 situation.
Tyson was in trouble but he was conscious, so stopping the fight would be completely wrong, and I don't think Fury would necessarily be KO'd cold if the referee didn't step in. Anything could've happened, but, to me, it looked like Fury was about to drop on his knee before he noticed the ref got between himself and Usyk.
This doesn't matter though, as Usyk has still won, and during the post-fight interview, he wasn't bothered by the situation at all.
I haven't seen the full fight yet, only the extensive highlights, but think Usyk won fair and square. The rematch should be really exciting.

I think there is no official boxing rule for that, but referee must do maximum to save boxers health. It is up to him to decide in which moment to interfere. This time I think he did it to early. Fury was already dazed, but imho not enough for ref to jump to stop counting. I think Usyk might have landed one or two more punches for referee to start warring about health and start the count. These one or two extra punches would turn the fight into different direction. There were <10 seconds left till round end. It would be fair for referee to let them continue. Otherwise Fury had a pause for some seconds, and later quickly a rest between rounds. To much time to recover.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: bisdak40 on May 20, 2024, 01:27:11 PM
Fury was about to go down he couldn't even raise his hands, if it weren't for the referee stepping in, he'd be KO'd. i don't know if referee will also step in if this happens to Usyk but its definitely intervening to a fight result.
no referee would count it as knockdown when you just lean on ropes.

I watched the replay of round 9 numerous times to see if one of the gloves of Tyson Fury touched the canvas but neither touched the ground so the referee was saving Fury on what could have been a devastating KO loss, just my opinion though based on what I saw.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: electronicash on May 20, 2024, 10:11:08 PM

is the news that Uysk going to be stripped of his title real?
what i have been reading on twitter was that its all because of the inhaler given to him while they are fighting. the threads about it are too long to read. but they suspect it contains enhancer again.

rumors are becoming crazy but this is also where Haney accusation started which is why its going to be crazier if Fury's camp supports this.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: robelneo on May 20, 2024, 11:00:23 PM
Fury was about to go down he couldn't even raise his hands, if it weren't for the referee stepping in, he'd be KO'd. i don't know if referee will also step in if this happens to Usyk but its definitely intervening to a fight result.
no referee would count it as knockdown when you just lean on ropes.

I watched the replay of round 9 numerous times to see if one of the gloves of Tyson Fury touched the canvas but neither touched the ground so the referee was saving Fury on what could have been a devastating KO loss, just my opinion though based on what I saw.

That's the anomaly in that fight, and if Fury happens to win the fight, wow, the world will be in shock. The fight should have been stopped in the 9th round, Usyk can finish Fury with a few seconds left in the 9th round because Fury is badly shaken and his hands is wobbled, I can call that 9th round a bg robbery I guess the referee had a bet on Fury.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: JoyMarsha on May 20, 2024, 11:27:00 PM
I lost this one too but the close fight still made it worth betting on. I think Fury played too much in the early round. We all know that it's part of his fighting style but, in a fight with so much at stake, nobody could afford to waste a round.

The fact is that it is going to the championship round. Fury believes that he is leading in the scorecard, which is why he is toying around, but the fight could have been over in round 9 if only the referee had not interfered. Is there a ruling in standing 8 counts? All I know is that you have to go down to be counted.
I agree with the decision that Usyk deserves the decision he connected more, he is the more aggressive one, I lost a bet to my cousin but its nothing compared to the excitement of the fight, I read that they will run this again come October, so we'll see.

I was also puzzled on why the referee interfered in that round, i thought he interferes to stop the fight and award Usyk the TKO by it seems the he saved Fury from being knockout, that's the first i saw that scenario in pro boxing but Usyk have won the fight and it is now for Fury to activate the rematch clause.
The rematch clause like Fury is going to win over Usyk comes on May 18. That's not possible because it will be another defeat for him and a huge amount of money to be given to him again for fighting Usyk for the second time.

Fury's reign in boxing as the  champion is gradually coming to an end, for Usyk to take over as the undisputed champion but I don't see Usyk reigning that much before he reaches up to 28 fights to stay undisputed since he has only had 22 fights without a loss fight
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: bitbit97 on May 21, 2024, 01:26:27 PM
So far Usyk hasnt faced any heavyweight power puncher to be able to call his presence in heavyweight as reign. Daniel Dubois showed that Usyk isnt good against heavy punches, and Dubois wasnt a top heavyweight. Lets wait until Usyk meets someone like Deontay Wilder. Now that is going to a real test. Not to mention that he had only 6 fights in heavyweights, where Chisora isnt in prime form anymore, Witherspoon was about to retire.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: Baofeng on May 22, 2024, 12:26:11 AM
So far Usyk hasnt faced any heavyweight power puncher to be able to call his presence in heavyweight as reign. Daniel Dubois showed that Usyk isnt good against heavy punches, and Dubois wasnt a top heavyweight. Lets wait until Usyk meets someone like Deontay Wilder. Now that is going to a real test. Not to mention that he had only 6 fights in heavyweights, where Chisora isnt in prime form anymore, Witherspoon was about to retire.

I think Usyk can adjust, AJ also has power but he defeated him twice with his technical abilities. Wilder has problems facing technical boxers all he has face before is with power. And so if you fight power with power, the heavier hitter has a great chance to win.

But when he face a prime Fury even in the first fight, the power of Wilder is not that a factor. So in hypothetical fight, I think Usyk will win and outpoint Wilder. It might be very close in the judges scorecard, but for fans we can see the Usyk has dominated Wilder in all division.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: robelneo on May 22, 2024, 06:06:27 PM
By the way we read news that Usyk will only be undisputed champion for only two weeks because the IBF will strip him of the title and Hrgovic and Dubois will battle it for the title if Usyk agreed for a rematch but based on the IBF statement Usyk will still be their champion under this circumstances

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Those ‘decisions’ will be in the hands of His Excellency Turki Alalshkih, who – like the fans- will also want the undisputed title to remain intact for the Usyk vs Fury rematch. The Saudi Chairman’s powers of persuasion should see Hrgovic agreeing to an ‘interim’ title being on the line for the Dubois fight, with the promise that the Croatian will face Usyk for all the hardware. -
https://www.worldboxingnews.net/2024/05/22/usyk-ibf-exception-hrgovic-dubois-not-title/

This is good news because we still want to see the rematch where all the titles are all for grabs
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: electronicash on May 22, 2024, 10:32:53 PM
By the way we read news that Usyk will only be undisputed champion for only two weeks because the IBF will strip him of the title and Hrgovic and Dubois will battle it for the title if Usyk agreed for a rematch but based on the IBF statement Usyk will still be their champion under this circumstances

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Those ‘decisions’ will be in the hands of His Excellency Turki Alalshkih, who – like the fans- will also want the undisputed title to remain intact for the Usyk vs Fury rematch. The Saudi Chairman’s powers of persuasion should see Hrgovic agreeing to an ‘interim’ title being on the line for the Dubois fight, with the promise that the Croatian will face Usyk for all the hardware. -
https://www.worldboxingnews.net/2024/05/22/usyk-ibf-exception-hrgovic-dubois-not-title/

This is good news because we still want to see the rematch where all the titles are all for grabs

nice so its now Saudi's term they are looking up. yup the money is coming when the Saudis are the ones making the events.

Usyk will agree for that rematch to get that undisputed title again. its an opportunity to make huge money too. if Hrgovic wins, this is a threat. Hrgovic is a scary dude and is younger who could really be beating more HWs. they were just not giving this man a shot but this may just be it.

Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: Baofeng on May 23, 2024, 01:29:07 AM
By the way we read news that Usyk will only be undisputed champion for only two weeks because the IBF will strip him of the title and Hrgovic and Dubois will battle it for the title if Usyk agreed for a rematch but based on the IBF statement Usyk will still be their champion under this circumstances

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Those ‘decisions’ will be in the hands of His Excellency Turki Alalshkih, who – like the fans- will also want the undisputed title to remain intact for the Usyk vs Fury rematch. The Saudi Chairman’s powers of persuasion should see Hrgovic agreeing to an ‘interim’ title being on the line for the Dubois fight, with the promise that the Croatian will face Usyk for all the hardware. -
https://www.worldboxingnews.net/2024/05/22/usyk-ibf-exception-hrgovic-dubois-not-title/

This is good news because we still want to see the rematch where all the titles are all for grabs

Yes, it's fair that in the rematch all the titles should be on the line. But we can see how powerful broker HE Turki Alalshkih, he was able to persuade Hrgovic and Dubois that their fight should be interim. And the IBF should not be kill joy though, I'm thinking that the organization can also be paid with handsome money to step aside their plans and let Hrgovic and Dubois be interim. Everyone is still at awe at Usyk's performance though, as I have said, he could surpassed Fury in this era as the best heavyweight if he can win in the rematch. And most likely Fury will still going to fight, but I guess his last one will be for all the British title, against Joshua.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: milewilda on May 23, 2024, 05:19:40 AM
The also looked strange to me. When Usyk landed those punches and Fury start to daze and dance around, usually fighters jump on their opponent with furious attacks and TKO opponents. This time, Usyk was either cautious, or was looking for one clear shot, or I dont know. As if he waited for referee to stop him from landing numerous unanswered punches, or referee was disturbed him with his either he is interfering and stopping or not the fight. Or referee was saving Fury from TKO. Or it was done un purpose because they have a rematch and they need a reason for that (split win looks better towards rematch than TKO). Strange feeling after that near to TKO situation.
Or he was short in breath? But by the looks of it then it isnt really that he's really that struggling or really just that trying out to recover. Just like you then this is also what i have observed that it do really looks like that its been interveined out on purpose to have that possible recovery. It is true that having that split decision rather than on having that complete TKO for Usyk against Fury
on which there's no possibility for some rematch if they have planned on something like this from the start.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: bisdak40 on May 23, 2024, 01:56:01 PM
Yes, it's fair that in the rematch all the titles should be on the line. But we can see how powerful broker HE Turki Alalshkih, he was able to persuade Hrgovic and Dubois that their fight should be interim. And the IBF should not be kill joy though, I'm thinking that the organization can also be paid with handsome money to step aside their plans and let Hrgovic and Dubois be interim. Everyone is still at awe at Usyk's performance though, as I have said, he could surpassed Fury in this era as the best heavyweight if he can win in the rematch. And most likely Fury will still going to fight, but I guess his last one will be for all the British title, against Joshua.

Speaking of a rematch I think they will do it because of the massive PPV buys that this fight got. I have read an article (hope not fake news though) that the purse and PPV numbers have been split and Fury got a massive $145M while Usyk got $50M, that's a lot of money on both of them. I guess in the rematch, Usyk will get the larger piece of the pie this time around.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: bitbit97 on May 23, 2024, 02:45:32 PM
Speaking of a rematch I think they will do it because of the massive PPV buys that this fight got. I have read an article (hope not fake news though) that the purse and PPV numbers have been split and Fury got a massive $145M while Usyk got $50M, that's a lot of money on both of them. I guess in the rematch, Usyk will get the larger piece of the pie this time around.

Or maybe he will try to get a larger piece but will fail. We know Usyk only as a boxer. We know Fury as a boxer, showman, tv series star. Fury is able to generate attention. By his actions, by his speech. On the contrast to Fury, Usyk is boring. When Fury is selling the fight, the maximum what Usyk is able to do is to answer few words in English, or say "OK", "good". Similar problem has Lomachenko. A superior boxer, legend. But he can not generate interest to his fight. They had massive PPV buys and this is mostly thanks to Fury.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: Rruchi man on May 24, 2024, 08:01:13 PM
Speaking of a rematch I think they will do it because of the massive PPV buys that this fight got. I have read an article (hope not fake news though) that the purse and PPV numbers have been split and Fury got a massive $145M while Usyk got $50M, that's a lot of money on both of them. I guess in the rematch, Usyk will get the larger piece of the pie this time around.
You should have shared the link to the article from where you saw those figures, because I saw $100 million for Fury and $45 million for Usyk based on the 70/30 split decision that they had in the contract. Fury earns more from the fight despite loosing because he has more popularity than Usyk, and he was more of the reason people saw the fight and paid for it.


source (https://www.marca.com/en/boxing/2024/05/21/664cae5122601d2d538b45ab.html)


Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: electronicash on May 24, 2024, 08:41:44 PM
Speaking of a rematch I think they will do it because of the massive PPV buys that this fight got. I have read an article (hope not fake news though) that the purse and PPV numbers have been split and Fury got a massive $145M while Usyk got $50M, that's a lot of money on both of them. I guess in the rematch, Usyk will get the larger piece of the pie this time around.
You should have shared the link to the article from where you saw those figures, because I saw $100 million for Fury and $45 million for Usyk based on the 70/30 split decision that they had in the contract. Fury earns more from the fight despite loosing because he has more popularity than Usyk, and he was more of the reason people saw the fight and paid for it.


source (https://www.marca.com/en/boxing/2024/05/21/664cae5122601d2d538b45ab.html)


damn. that's a lot of money compare to a money that a UFC champ would get for his entire career. and i they really want to make more money besides these 70/30, they could arrange the fight for Fury to win in the 2nd fight and then there will be a 3rd fight as well that will be in Dubai still.

Fury can live his entire life without worrying whether his sons and daughters will starve.

Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: JoyMarsha on May 24, 2024, 10:03:29 PM
The also looked strange to me. When Usyk landed those punches and Fury start to daze and dance around, usually fighters jump on their opponent with furious attacks and TKO opponents. This time, Usyk was either cautious, or was looking for one clear shot, or I dont know. As if he waited for referee to stop him from landing numerous unanswered punches, or referee was disturbed him with his either he is interfering and stopping or not the fight. Or referee was saving Fury from TKO. Or it was done un purpose because they have a rematch and they need a reason for that (split win looks better towards rematch than TKO). Strange feeling after that near to TKO situation.
It was quite obvious that the referee interfered in the fight for Fury not experience a KO defeat in his career fight as a champion. It would have been somehow if that had happened because many thought he would win Usyk since he's the undisputed heavyweight champion who hasn't lost any match before after having 32 fights. Experience a KO defeat for the first time, wouldn't speak well of him as a boxing champion, to think of a rematches
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: pawel7777 on May 24, 2024, 11:50:12 PM
Speaking of a rematch I think they will do it because of the massive PPV buys that this fight got. I have read an article (hope not fake news though) that the purse and PPV numbers have been split and Fury got a massive $145M while Usyk got $50M, that's a lot of money on both of them. I guess in the rematch, Usyk will get the larger piece of the pie this time around.

A rematch is almost guaranteed, unless one of them deliberately pulls out. They had a rematch clause in the contract, so I wouldn't be surprised if there were some penalties involved for pulling out. I believe it's tentatively scheduled for the beginning of October. And there will be a lot of interest, maybe even more than in the first fight, given how close it was and given Fury, in his trilogy against Wilder, proved that he performs better in rematches.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: bisdak40 on May 25, 2024, 03:56:38 AM
Speaking of a rematch I think they will do it because of the massive PPV buys that this fight got. I have read an article (hope not fake news though) that the purse and PPV numbers have been split and Fury got a massive $145M while Usyk got $50M, that's a lot of money on both of them. I guess in the rematch, Usyk will get the larger piece of the pie this time around.

A rematch is almost guaranteed, unless one of them deliberately pulls out. They had a rematch clause in the contract, so I wouldn't be surprised if there were some penalties involved for pulling out. I believe it's tentatively scheduled for the beginning of October. And there will be a lot of interest, maybe even more than in the first fight, given how close it was and given Fury, in his trilogy against Wilder, proved that he performs better in rematches.

It's good to know that the rematch will be this October and yeah, i agree that Fury is good at rematches. Although i lost me bet on him on this fight but still i'm gonna be rooting for him again in the rematch which i thick he will be the underdog that time.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: robelneo on May 25, 2024, 05:22:25 PM


It's good to know that the rematch will be this October and yeah, i agree that Fury is good at rematches. Although i lost me bet on him on this fight but still i'm gonna be rooting for him again in the rematch which i thick he will be the underdog that time.

Usyk has filed a request to retain his IBF title he is about to get stripped of his IBF title for failing to defend his IBF title to the mandatory challenger Hrgovic, the request was confirmed so it will be another unification bout in October.


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Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: pawel7777 on May 25, 2024, 08:02:24 PM
It's good to know that the rematch will be this October and yeah, i agree that Fury is good at rematches. Although i lost me bet on him on this fight but still i'm gonna be rooting for him again in the rematch which i thick he will be the underdog that time.

I was going back and forth on it, so ended up placing a small bet on a draw.
But if I had to bet on the rematch now, I'd bet on Fury, as I have no doubt he'll show up motivated as never before. But I'm not sure if he'll go with the same strategy or if he will try something new. It's going to be a tough call for him and his team.

Usyk has filed a request to retain his IBF title he is about to get stripped of his IBF title for failing to defend his IBF title to the mandatory challenger Hrgovic, the request was confirmed so it will be another unification bout in October.

Didn't the IBF already agreed to push it back once? If so, they're probably not likely to allow him to do it again.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: pawel7777 on May 26, 2024, 06:03:56 PM
In relation to the IBF belt, I just learned that Turki Alalshikh has announced that the winner of Hrgovic Vs Dubois will face Anthony Joshua in September:
https://talksport.com/sport/1869699/anthony-joshua-next-fight-tyson-fury-dubois-hrgovic/

Which would indicate that either:
1 - no interim belt will be introduced and Usyk will be granted the exception and then the winner of Usyk Vs Fury 2 will face the winner of Hrgovic/Dubois Vs Joshua for the IBF title shot; or
2 - Usyk will be stripped and the winner of Hrgovis Vs Dubois will face Joshua for the IBF belt, and whoever wins then could maybe face the winner of Usyk Vs Fury 2.

That's how I read the situation anyway.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: electronicash on May 26, 2024, 09:13:44 PM

^ AJ finally have the chance to fight Fury in case Fury wins in the rematch.  if its Usyk who wins, it will be their 3rd fight. lucky him to get all these chances.

for me there is really no reason for Usyk and Fury rematch, the fight clearly is won by Usyk by wide margin and even a KO if not stopped by the ref. if there is a reason to fight over again, it should be to take the IBF belt.   which means  Fury should first fight AJ to win the IBF belt and then the awaited rematch Fury vs Usyk 2.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: pawel7777 on May 29, 2024, 12:21:46 AM
I don't think the possibility of Usyk being stripped of the IBF belt would be any threat to the rematch with Fury. The rematch will happen regardless of the IBF's decision.
That's simply because the only way for Fury to save his face/legacy is to go out there and take his revenge on Usyk. What other option does he have? Refuse to fight because the number of belts is not quite the same as in their 1st fight? That would be nonsense.

As for the IBF belt, it's a bit weird that we're only a few days away from Hrgovic Vs Dubois and nobody seems to know whether it's going to be a fight for the belt, interim belt, or no belt at all.
I think we can rule out the belt, as Usyk is on medical suspension until 2nd June, unless the IBF really want to strip him (I don't believe they are) and will find some loophole to do it before the 1st.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: Jating on May 29, 2024, 02:08:46 AM
I don't think the possibility of Usyk being stripped of the IBF belt would be any threat to the rematch with Fury. The rematch will happen regardless of the IBF's decision.
That's simply because the only way for Fury to save his face/legacy is to go out there and take his revenge on Usyk. What other option does he have? Refuse to fight because the number of belts is not quite the same as in their 1st fight? That would be nonsense.
That is right, the rematch will go on as schedule on October, but what Usyk wanted is that the belt in the rematch is still intact. He would like to honor his words at least so that Fury will have a equal chance to get all the belts as well if he win.
As for the IBF belt, it's a bit weird that we're only a few days away from Hrgovic Vs Dubois and nobody seems to know whether it's going to be a fight for the belt, interim belt, or no belt at all.
Chances are it could be a interim IBF belt. But let's see how it will be treated by the organization. They say they are the least corrupt amongst the organization, and at the same time very lenient as well.
I think we can rule out the belt, as Usyk is on medical suspension until 2nd June, unless the IBF really want to strip him (I don't believe they are) and will find some loophole to do it before the 1st.
Well the loophole could be that if he is in medical suspension, then how can they strip him of the belt? Or how can Usyk defend it in the next 6 days?
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: bisdak40 on May 29, 2024, 03:56:15 AM

^ AJ finally have the chance to fight Fury in case Fury wins in the rematch.  if its Usyk who wins, it will be their 3rd fight. lucky him to get all these chances.

for me there is really no reason for Usyk and Fury rematch, the fight clearly is won by Usyk by wide margin and even a KO if not stopped by the ref. if there is a reason to fight over again, it should be to take the IBF belt.   which means  Fury should first fight AJ to win the IBF belt and then the awaited rematch Fury vs Usyk 2.

The hype is not very huge in case Fury and Joshua fight directly for the IBF belt and besides i do think that IBF would strip the belt away from Usyk. It will be good if Joshua will just wait if Fury will win in the rematch as people will be excited on that one.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: Baofeng on May 29, 2024, 04:35:51 AM

^ AJ finally have the chance to fight Fury in case Fury wins in the rematch.  if its Usyk who wins, it will be their 3rd fight. lucky him to get all these chances.

for me there is really no reason for Usyk and Fury rematch, the fight clearly is won by Usyk by wide margin and even a KO if not stopped by the ref. if there is a reason to fight over again, it should be to take the IBF belt.   which means  Fury should first fight AJ to win the IBF belt and then the awaited rematch Fury vs Usyk 2.

The hype is not very huge in case Fury and Joshua fight directly for the IBF belt and besides i do think that IBF would strip the belt away from Usyk. It will be good if Joshua will just wait if Fury will win in the rematch as people will be excited on that one.

The hype could be there as it will be a all British showdown, but it might not like before when Fury hasn't lost to Usyk yet. He can trash talk the hell out of Joshua and tell him that a CW beat him twice. Now he can't unless he wins in the rematch. But then again, I was thinking that there could be 3rd fight if Fury by a long shot win in the second fight.

And so it will be very messy are there are a lot of mandatory waiting in the wing. But most likely whoever wins in the second fight, he could be strip as obviously, he can't defend all the belts.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: pawel7777 on May 29, 2024, 09:26:14 PM
OK, we have a date for the rematch. It will take place just before Christmas, on 21st December:
https://talksport.com/sport/1899340/tyson-fury-vs-oleksandr-usyk-new-rematch-date-confirmed/
credit to JollyGood for posting this on BTT

Usyk almost definitely will not be stripped before 2nd June, but that's not to say the IBF cannot do it after that date.
Given the rematch is scheduled 2 months later than initially indicated, any potential mandatory defense will not take place until around a year from now at the earliest. I find it hard to believe the IBF will grant the exception and postpone the defense for that long, as it would be unfair to the challengers. Plus, there's no guarantee the winner of the rematch will be interested in defending that belt at all.
I expect there will be no interim belt on the line on Saturday and Usyk to be stripped after the 2nd of June. Then the fight between Hrgovic/Dubois and Anthony Joshua would be for the proper belt (not the interim one).
I don't see much sense in introducing an interim belt given Usyk is not seriously injured and would be ready to fight if he wanted to.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: Rruchi man on May 29, 2024, 11:19:44 PM
OK, we have a date for the rematch. It will take place just before Christmas, on 21st December:
The fight was very entertaining, I need to see them fight again, and I am happy that their contract had a rematch clause.
Fury has to train like hell, because this fight will be on record even if there are no belts on the line. We were the fans and are witnessing this history. We already know that Usyk dealt a big surprise to Fury in the first fight; it will not be a surprise in the rematch if Usyk wins again because then it will signal an end to the career of Fury. I expect the rematch to be more entertaining than the first.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: Baofeng on May 30, 2024, 03:44:28 AM
OK, we have a date for the rematch. It will take place just before Christmas, on 21st December:
https://talksport.com/sport/1899340/tyson-fury-vs-oleksandr-usyk-new-rematch-date-confirmed/
credit to JollyGood for posting this on BTT

Usyk almost definitely will not be stripped before 2nd June, but that's not to say the IBF cannot do it after that date.
Given the rematch is scheduled 2 months later than initially indicated, any potential mandatory defense will not take place until around a year from now at the earliest. I find it hard to believe the IBF will grant the exception and postpone the defense for that long, as it would be unfair to the challengers. Plus, there's no guarantee the winner of the rematch will be interested in defending that belt at all.
I expect there will be no interim belt on the line on Saturday and Usyk to be stripped after the 2nd of June. Then the fight between Hrgovic/Dubois and Anthony Joshua would be for the proper belt (not the interim one).
I don't see much sense in introducing an interim belt given Usyk is not seriously injured and would be ready to fight if he wanted to.

Or they can call the fight between Hrgovic vs Dubois as a title eliminator for the IBF belt, or they can call it interim fight, but it doesn't matter because Usyk is still universally recognized as the champion. What Hrgovic vs Dubois is fighting is just a paper title, nothing more nothing less.

Everything is still up for the Fury vs Usyk rematch this December as all the belts is on the line. And everyone should wait for the outcome, although they can have a schedule fight like Zhang vs Wilder or this fight, Hrgovic vs Dubois. All roads to the winner of Fury vs Usyk.
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: JoyMarsha on May 30, 2024, 10:16:28 PM
OK, we have a date for the rematch. It will take place just before Christmas, on 21st December:
The fight was very entertaining, I need to see them fight again, and I am happy that their contract had a rematch clause.
Fury has to train like hell, because this fight will be on record even if there are no belts on the line. We were the fans and are witnessing this history. We already know that Usyk dealt a big surprise to Fury in the first fight; it will not be a surprise in the rematch if Usyk wins again because then it will signal an end to the career of Fury. I expect the rematch to be more entertaining than the first.
I anticipate the rematch to be entertaining of course as both fighters will have themselves train and prepare for the rematch(six months for that).

The rematch will speak volumes to whoever wins this time as to be the Goat of boxing. It's gonna be a tight one to decide who wins the rematch. I just hope Fury gets to prove himself by December than dangling to Usyk's heavy blows
Title: Re: Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk (18 May) - discussion and prediction topic
Post by: robelneo on May 31, 2024, 01:38:32 PM
I think it is time to lock this thread and open a new discussion on their rematch even if it is still seven months it's worth discussing as many speculations, news, rumours and changes that are going to happen and we can have a continuation of the conversation on a new thread OP can start a new one after he lock this thread.