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Title: Crypto Messiah ... Too radical ? libertarian dream
Post by: admin on August 27, 2024, 12:20:24 PM
Rumors has it ... Durov was caught because he wanted to take an insta influencer and "crypto coach" to show her Paris. You would expect people holding such a big responsibility in the crypto and decentralised ecosystem to be more cautious ... but no! my dude wanted to flex on an instamodel ....

the ecosystem is run by a bunch of clowns, we are looking forward to a crypto messiah, that would focus the forces, agendas and priorities and lead us into battle against the evil republics
Title: Re: Crypto Messiah ... Too radical ? libertarian dream
Post by: MrSpasybo on August 27, 2024, 01:15:11 PM
Rumors has it ... Durov was caught because he wanted to take an insta influencer and "crypto coach" to show her Paris. You would expect people holding such a big responsibility in the crypto and decentralised ecosystem to be more cautious ... but no! my dude wanted to flex on an instamodel ....

the ecosystem is run by a bunch of clowns, we are looking forward to a crypto messiah, that would focus the forces, agendas and priorities and lead us into battle against the evil republics
Well, I think everyone has the right to freedom of movement and to pursue their own passions and goals. Durov is also a human being, we cannot ask him to stay in fortified military fortresses out of the reach of governments, we want him to appear in many places to develop Telegram and support the Ton ecosystem.

The problem in this unfortunate event comes from the sudden attitude and decision of the French government. The reasons they gave are really unconvincing and only tell us that they want to have personal data of Telegram users to increase the level of censorship. I hope that Durov will be okay and soon be released.

This event also suggests to us the need for an onchain chat platform to exist and develop without depending on a single company or individual. It would be great if Telegram was operated as a dApp on Ton with data stored on DePIN and the project was governed by DAO.
Title: Re: Crypto Messiah ... Too radical ? libertarian dream
Post by: admin on August 27, 2024, 01:48:04 PM
Rumors has it ... Durov was caught because he wanted to take an insta influencer and "crypto coach" to show her Paris. You would expect people holding such a big responsibility in the crypto and decentralised ecosystem to be more cautious ... but no! my dude wanted to flex on an instamodel ....

the ecosystem is run by a bunch of clowns, we are looking forward to a crypto messiah, that would focus the forces, agendas and priorities and lead us into battle against the evil republics
Well, I think everyone has the right to freedom of movement and to pursue their own passions and goals. Durov is also a human being, we cannot ask him to stay in fortified military fortresses out of the reach of governments, we want him to appear in many places to develop Telegram and support the Ton ecosystem.

The problem in this unfortunate event comes from the sudden attitude and decision of the French government. The reasons they gave are really unconvincing and only tell us that they want to have personal data of Telegram users to increase the level of censorship. I hope that Durov will be okay and soon be released.

This event also suggests to us the need for an onchain chat platform to exist and develop without depending on a single company or individual. It would be great if Telegram was operated as a dApp on Ton with data stored on DePIN and the project was governed by DAO.

we are still early, we need to get things moving more
more real serious needed projects instead of these meme coins
Title: Re: Crypto Messiah ... Too radical ? libertarian dream
Post by: Gurujebs on August 27, 2024, 01:56:02 PM
the ecosystem is run by a bunch of clowns, we are looking forward to a crypto messiah, that would focus the forces, agendas and priorities and lead us into battle against the evil republics

Satoshi created Bitcoin and vanished into thin air and till date nobody knows him to even say they are going to request for his address. This is why anonymous is very important because you will never have freedom. If Satoshi identity was to be know, he would have been long arrested for many things but because of Bitcoin, he ghosted everyone which is the best.

Binance ex CEO made the same mistake by going to US, that's where he was arrested, Telegram CEO did the same, may be others will be cautious of their movements to most of these censorship countries.
Title: Re: Crypto Messiah ... Too radical ? libertarian dream
Post by: God Of Thunder on August 27, 2024, 02:11:59 PM
Delete this post, please. Double posted
Title: Re: Crypto Messiah ... Too radical ? libertarian dream
Post by: God Of Thunder on August 27, 2024, 02:14:00 PM
Rumors has it ... Durov was caught because he wanted to take an insta influencer and "crypto coach" to show her Paris. You would expect people holding such a big responsibility in the crypto and decentralised ecosystem to be more cautious ... but no! my dude wanted to flex on an instamodel ....

the ecosystem is run by a bunch of clowns, we are looking forward to a crypto messiah, that would focus the forces, agendas and priorities and lead us into battle against the evil republics

Satoshi is the perfect example of how you can still influence people if your idea is good without even revealing your identity. All I heard about the recent development is he was arrested but I don't know what the reason is. I thought it was because France simply does not like Russians or probably they don't like Crypto developers.

I have checked two news today where both media reported the same thing. Telegram CEO arrested over probe into child porn, drug trafficking on app reported by Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/pavel-durov-has-nothing-hide-telegram-says-arrested-founder-2024-08-26/). While the Guardin also reported "Telegram founder arrest part of cybercrime inquiry, say prosecutors (https://www.theguardian.com/media/article/2024/aug/26/telegram-founder-suspected-allowing-criminal-activity-pavel-durov-prosecutors)
Investigation into Pavel Durov relates to the app’s alleged failure to stop the spread of child sexual abuse material
Title: Re: Crypto Messiah ... Too radical ? libertarian dream
Post by: admin on August 27, 2024, 02:24:50 PM
Rumors has it ... Durov was caught because he wanted to take an insta influencer and "crypto coach" to show her Paris. You would expect people holding such a big responsibility in the crypto and decentralised ecosystem to be more cautious ... but no! my dude wanted to flex on an instamodel ....

the ecosystem is run by a bunch of clowns, we are looking forward to a crypto messiah, that would focus the forces, agendas and priorities and lead us into battle against the evil republics

Satoshi is the perfect example of how you can still influence people if your idea is good without even revealing your identity. All I heard about the recent development is he was arrested but I don't know what the reason is. I thought it was because France simply does not like Russians or probably they don't like Crypto developers.

I have checked two news today where both media reported the same thing. Telegram CEO arrested over probe into child porn, drug trafficking on app reported by Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/pavel-durov-has-nothing-hide-telegram-says-arrested-founder-2024-08-26/). While the Guardin also reported "Telegram founder arrest part of cybercrime inquiry, say prosecutors (https://www.theguardian.com/media/article/2024/aug/26/telegram-founder-suspected-allowing-criminal-activity-pavel-durov-prosecutors)
Investigation into Pavel Durov relates to the app’s alleged failure to stop the spread of child sexual abuse material

this is the kind of accusation they throw so that no one would dare defend you,
what they want and what they say they want are 2 different things.
Title: Re: Crypto Messiah ... Too radical ? libertarian dream
Post by: Mate2237 on August 27, 2024, 02:37:17 PM
The citizens are own by the government and with that the government control what they have to do if not the best ways to use cryptocurrency to buy things in the world and by doing that you have gotten the liberation movement against the government. The government is powerful because of the economy power embedded upon them so once the control of the economy is removed from their hands and became a decentralized currency then the corruption rate will reduce too.

The only way to save cryptocurrency is the real p2p stated in the Bitcoin whitepaper. And I don't think any individual will come and save us. That what I see it.
Title: Re: Crypto Messiah ... Too radical ? libertarian dream
Post by: God Of Thunder on August 27, 2024, 03:08:44 PM
this is the kind of accusation they throw so that no one would dare defend you,
what they want and what they say they want are 2 different things.

True.
If they can arrest Durov for this reason, Elon Musk could be their next target because they care about freedom of speech. X allows their users to post most of the things that Meta cannot think of. But I guess Elon Musk won't have such an issue if their goal is something else with Durov. I can understand what you mean because I am too used to seeing these fake accusations. Political parties used to file fake cases against opposition leaders. For example, Bangladeshi cricket Shakib Al Hasan was playing the Global T20 series in Canada while Bangladeshi Students were protesting. A lot of students were killed by the ex-ruling political party and Police. Now someone filed a Murder case against Shakib Al Hasan (https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/murder-case-filed-against-shakib-al-hasan-during-bangladesh-unrest/article68561513.ece)
Title: Re: Crypto Messiah ... Too radical ? libertarian dream
Post by: bitmover on August 27, 2024, 03:57:05 PM
We don't need a "crypto messiah"

This would just create a point of failure and more centralization.

This is why bitcoin is bigger than other cryptocurrencies.  Because satoshi vanished...

TON probably depended a lot on durov. Now that he is in jail, it is likely that the development will be stopped or highly changed...
Title: Re: Crypto Messiah ... Too radical ? libertarian dream
Post by: dkbit98 on August 27, 2024, 04:21:37 PM
Rumors has it ... Durov was caught because he wanted to take an insta influencer and "crypto coach" to show her Paris. You would expect people holding such a big responsibility in the crypto and decentralised ecosystem to be more cautious ... but no! my dude wanted to flex on an instamodel ....
She was posting thier every step so she made it easy to Macron to catch him, but she was not responsible for his arrest.
Today world has become crazy with the need to record personal life and post everything online on social media all the time.

the ecosystem is run by a bunch of clowns, we are looking forward to a crypto messiah, that would focus the forces, agendas and priorities and lead us into battle against the evil republics
No fake crypto or non crypto messiah anymore please, they are all going to be scammers and puppets.
Title: Re: Crypto Messiah ... Too radical ? libertarian dream
Post by: admin on August 27, 2024, 04:57:00 PM
No fake crypto or non crypto messiah anymore please, they are all going to be scammers and puppets.

highly probable ...

we need then for big players to stop playing with memes coins and start pushing everything towards decentralization
https://365crypto.org/blog/2024/08/21/stop-the-crypto-scams-an-open-letter-to-the-major-crypto-players/
Title: Re: Crypto Messiah ... Too radical ? libertarian dream
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on August 27, 2024, 08:44:11 PM
We don't need a "crypto messiah"

This would just create a point of failure and more centralization.

This is why bitcoin is bigger than other cryptocurrencies.  Because satoshi vanished...

TON probably depended a lot on durov. Now that he is in jail, it is likely that the development will be stopped or highly changed...
Well, it's been only a few months since I started transacting on ton, and this is my way of saying that I don't know much about the Chain yet, but I do not think that Durov arrest and absents will not stop or put to halt; the develop of Ton.

And let me use this opportunity to ask what's  the latest news on the issue? You mentioned that now, he is in jail, has he been charged to court and proven guilty of the offences he was accused of?
Sorry been offline since yesterday and have lost track of the latest happenings in the industry.
Title: Re: Crypto Messiah ... Too radical ? libertarian dream
Post by: Hatchy on August 27, 2024, 09:23:55 PM
We don't need a "crypto messiah"

This would just create a point of failure and more centralization.

This is why bitcoin is bigger than other cryptocurrencies.  Because satoshi vanished...

TON probably depended a lot on durov. Now that he is in jail, it is likely that the development will be stopped or highly changed...

Having a public image can cause problems for the crypto ecosystem. The government wants control over everything. If someone represents crypto, the government will try to regulate them. If they don't comply, the government will make accusations to shut them down.

Satoshi, the creator of Bitcoin, was wise to foresee this. He created Bitcoin and disappeared, leaving it to the people. This way, there's no one person for the government to question or control. The system can last longer without government interference and criticism.
Title: Re: Crypto Messiah ... Too radical ? libertarian dream
Post by: yhiaali3 on August 27, 2024, 10:03:20 PM
Since I heard the news of Durov's arrest, I wondered what he was doing in France? If he was wanted there for several cases, regardless of whether they were false or true, what made him go there even though he knew he was wanted?

Anyway, this is one of the biggest failures of centralization, now because of the arrest of one person, a large social network like Telegram may stop, and also the TON network and all the applications working on it may stop.

Now we discover how smart and wise Satoshi was when he decided to disappear and make Bitcoin completely decentralized.

It is better that there is no Messiah or Savior for Crypto because they will kill him as they killed the real Messiah.
Title: Re: Crypto Messiah ... Too radical ? libertarian dream
Post by: Jating on August 27, 2024, 11:27:16 PM
We don't need crypto messiah, crypto will be good without any face of it. This is how it's been and should be. He doesn't need to flex everything. And even low key founder like Vitalik Buterin chooses to step down, or CZ was forced to step down, was fined with billions of dollars and he also shell out his own money. Now, we would know how he will answer all the allegations that his platform is being used for illicit activity including drug trafficking and the distribution of child sexual abuse images. That's heavy and perhaps he might have regret his decision to flex his jet and then go to France just to be arrested.

And do we have separation of the power of the developers and those taking advantage of what he developed?
Title: Re: Crypto Messiah ... Too radical ? libertarian dream
Post by: kai on August 28, 2024, 07:46:40 AM
Where have they (Police,Judge etc) been from 2013 to mid-2024? Wasn't Telegram born in 2013, right?
So why is Pavel Durov being arrested in Paris now for reasons related to the cryptocurrency circle? Didn't Telegram also (perhaps) fully support cryptocurrency since 5 years ago?

Is this a rival from fellow social media businesses to overthrow the glory of Telegram? ?
Because if you look at it now, Telegram is widely downloaded and in demand by many people around the world, especially yesterday there was an airdrop of DOGS, HAMSTER and others that were already famous.
Title: Re: Crypto Messiah ... Too radical ? libertarian dream
Post by: God Of Thunder on August 28, 2024, 08:17:39 AM
Where have they (Police,Judge etc) been from 2013 to mid-2024? Wasn't Telegram born in 2013, right?
So why is Pavel Durov being arrested in Paris now for reasons related to the cryptocurrency circle? Didn't Telegram also (perhaps) fully support cryptocurrency since 5 years ago?

Is this a rival from fellow social media businesses to overthrow the glory of Telegram? ?
Because if you look at it now, Telegram is widely downloaded and in demand by many people around the world, especially yesterday there was an airdrop of DOGS, HAMSTER and others that were already famous.

We never know what is the reality. But, I am sure that those cases against Pavel Durov are something personal. Because we have seen other platforms operating and all the similar things happening using other channels as well. For example, there are a lot of porn messenger groups on Facebook and WhatsApp which spread childporn. If they take everything into account then Mark Zuckerburg should be arrested as well. What about Elon Mask?

BTW, I found these from BitcoinTalk shared by TryNinja

(https://talkimg.com/images/2024/08/28/9QXl3.png)
Title: Re: Crypto Messiah ... Too radical ? libertarian dream
Post by: bitmover on August 28, 2024, 09:34:05 AM
For example, there are a lot of porn messenger groups on Facebook and WhatsApp which spread childporn. If they take everything into account then Mark Zuckerburg should be arrested as well. What about Elon Mask?


Ofc not.

This was not the only accusation,  but elon musk and Zuckerberg doesn't have porn of minors in their smartphone. Looks like pavel has (at least he was accusation of)

This is very different.
Title: Re: Crypto Messiah ... Too radical ? libertarian dream
Post by: hugeblack on August 28, 2024, 10:49:58 AM

I think we should be sad when we see a decentralized idea or service being confiscated instead of trying to defend people, Telegram is a centralized application and the authorities will definitely go after everyone who works on the application while Bitcoin and decentralized networks are supposed to work better with a central point of failure.


In general, if he was arrested because of the privacy or freedom that the Telegram application provides, it will be a message to privacy developers to remain hidden from the eyes of the authorities and to develop applications under an anonymous name.
Title: Re: Crypto Messiah ... Too radical ? libertarian dream
Post by: admin on August 28, 2024, 11:48:29 AM

(https://talkimg.com/images/2024/08/28/9QXl3.png)

I find most of these accusation pure nonsense
- the dude have a 9 billion valuation, i doubt he would be engaged in anything related to organised crime
- drugs, sure, all mega rich use drugs like there's no tomorrow
- minors porn, this should be clarified, because the most popular tags on most porn sites is teens, and epstein clients are the rich and famous.

What is worrying :
Complicity as a webmaster, from this perspective, no platform have a choice other than submit, open the books and say F freedom of speech, big brother needs everything or else you're complicit.

Title: Re: Crypto Messiah ... Too radical ? libertarian dream
Post by: Findingnemo on August 28, 2024, 05:52:03 PM
I find most of these accusation pure nonsense

Absolutely, someone wanted him to be arrested so he is, now they are giving some justification for whatever they did.

Internet is full of everything, and no one can monitor or censor anything completely and telegram accepted the fact and opened for everything, ofcourse it also helped lot of scammers to scam people and pirated contents, porns and anything.

But the only difference is here people get everything for free so those big porno websites or whatever takes big hit in their revenue and I believe that's most probably why they want to destroy it.

Title: Re: Crypto Messiah ... Too radical ? libertarian dream
Post by: admin on August 28, 2024, 06:00:13 PM
I find most of these accusation pure nonsense

Absolutely, someone wanted him to be arrested so he is, now they are giving some justification for whatever they did.

Internet is full of everything, and no one can monitor or censor anything completely and telegram accepted the fact and opened for everything, ofcourse it also helped lot of scammers to scam people and pirated contents, porns and anything.

But the only difference is here people get everything for free so those big porno websites or whatever takes big hit in their revenue and I believe that's most probably why they want to destroy it.

I think it is more political,
i think it is about compromising tg or get a back door , especially that it is heavily used in wars these days.
the fact that they are hitting crypto communities and free speech is just a bonus.
Title: Re: Crypto Messiah ... Too radical ? libertarian dream
Post by: Faisal2202 on August 28, 2024, 06:51:47 PM
Rumors has it ... Durov was caught because he wanted to take an insta influencer and "crypto coach" to show her Paris. You would expect people holding such a big responsibility in the crypto and decentralised ecosystem to be more cautious ... but no! my dude wanted to flex on an instamodel ....

the ecosystem is run by a bunch of clowns, we are looking forward to a crypto messiah, that would focus the forces, agendas and priorities and lead us into battle against the evil republics
So you are talking about Juli Vavilova 24 year-old influencer? I just searched for information about it on Google and came to know about this side of the news as well. The new outlets are saying the Instagram influencers are off the radar and not in contact with her family. It's very unusual for an influencer to go off-grid, although shifting the blame on the girl for posting regular updates of the trips she had with Pavel.

I mean, he (Pavel) should give more concerns about this case, and as far as I remember, he has have said in a statement that only 46 or 48 engineers are controlling Telegram, which also raises a question about the legal side and other sides of the platform, as more human sources are better than few.

In conclusion, Pavel made the mistake and I think he has to suffer this but even if it's his mistake and he did it mistakenly just to show off still he does not deserve the punishment if convicted by authorities. They just don't like him because he has given a platform to anonymously do searching and spreading what's really going on in the world. Like news of wars, incidents that a country wants to hide, etc. This is just not acceptable. If he got convicted then what will happen to Telegram?
Title: Re: Crypto Messiah ... Too radical ? libertarian dream
Post by: admin on August 28, 2024, 07:24:11 PM
Rumors has it ... Durov was caught because he wanted to take an insta influencer and "crypto coach" to show her Paris. You would expect people holding such a big responsibility in the crypto and decentralised ecosystem to be more cautious ... but no! my dude wanted to flex on an instamodel ....

the ecosystem is run by a bunch of clowns, we are looking forward to a crypto messiah, that would focus the forces, agendas and priorities and lead us into battle against the evil republics
So you are talking about Juli Vavilova 24 year-old influencer? I just searched for information about it on Google and came to know about this side of the news as well. The new outlets are saying the Instagram influencers are off the radar and not in contact with her family. It's very unusual for an influencer to go off-grid, although shifting the blame on the girl for posting regular updates of the trips she had with Pavel.

I mean, he (Pavel) should give more concerns about this case, and as far as I remember, he has have said in a statement that only 46 or 48 engineers are controlling Telegram, which also raises a question about the legal side and other sides of the platform, as more human sources are better than few.

In conclusion, Pavel made the mistake and I think he has to suffer this but even if it's his mistake and he did it mistakenly just to show off still he does not deserve the punishment if convicted by authorities. They just don't like him because he has given a platform to anonymously do searching and spreading what's really going on in the world. Like news of wars, incidents that a country wants to hide, etc. This is just not acceptable. If he got convicted then what will happen to Telegram?

yeah of course, no one shifting the blame on the young girl, that's what these instagramers do ... the blame is 100% on Durov for wanting to flex on an instagramer, with a 9 billion net worth, you just don't have to flex anymore. It was stupid from his side.

the accusations against him are just to make him make a deal, he will have a choice between 20 years in prison and 5 month in prison if he leaks or give info about what libraries he used or integrate a library that has a backdoor. That's governments, end of the day it's all about how they can exercise control and leverage.
Title: Re: Crypto Messiah ... Too radical ? libertarian dream
Post by: bitterguy28 on August 28, 2024, 07:41:30 PM
the ecosystem is run by a bunch of clowns, we are looking forward to a crypto messiah, that would focus the forces, agendas and priorities and lead us into battle against the evil republics
hopefully there is someone smart enough to propel the ecosystem forward but not because of his own personal interests

when you reach a level of success it’s hard to not let your head get into it too much especially when there’s money involved satoshi is probably the last genuine person in the industry when he could easily have made himself rich with what he had invented but instead chose to disappear
Title: Re: Crypto Messiah ... Too radical ? libertarian dream
Post by: dkbit98 on August 28, 2024, 11:17:41 PM
we need then for big players to stop playing with memes coins and start pushing everything towards decentralization
https://365crypto.org/blog/2024/08/21/stop-the-crypto-scams-an-open-letter-to-the-major-crypto-players/
So called big players don't care very much about decentralization, and they are just a part of the problem with current system, especially if they are messing around with meme coins crap.
For example ff you look who is holding most Bitcoin this is now all companies, entities , exchanges, blackrock, etc.
This is all going in direction of centralization.
Title: Re: Crypto Messiah ... Too radical ? libertarian dream
Post by: kai on August 29, 2024, 05:17:53 AM
Where have they (Police,Judge etc) been from 2013 to mid-2024? Wasn't Telegram born in 2013, right?
So why is Pavel Durov being arrested in Paris now for reasons related to the cryptocurrency circle? Didn't Telegram also (perhaps) fully support cryptocurrency since 5 years ago?

Is this a rival from fellow social media businesses to overthrow the glory of Telegram? ?
Because if you look at it now, Telegram is widely downloaded and in demand by many people around the world, especially yesterday there was an airdrop of DOGS, HAMSTER and others that were already famous.

We never know what is the reality. But, I am sure that those cases against Pavel Durov are something personal. Because we have seen other platforms operating and all the similar things happening using other channels as well. For example, there are a lot of porn messenger groups on Facebook and WhatsApp which spread childporn. If they take everything into account then Mark Zuckerburg should be arrested as well. What about Elon Mask?

BTW, I found these from BitcoinTalk shared by TryNinja

(https://talkimg.com/images/2024/08/28/9QXl3.png)
I also only suspect this is something personal because of social media such as WhatsApp, Messenger etc. there are also things such as porn, drugs, firearms etc.

Please see the 3 points at the end and everything is about cryptology:
1. Providing Cryptology Service ....
2. Providing a Cryptology Tool ....
3. Importing a Cryptology Tool ....

The one who is something that is a business is business competition between social media, remember that this telegram after many airdrop coins events and many downloaded in Playstore immediately there is a case of Pavel Durov being arrested in Paris. Is this a coincidence or is this planned?
Title: Re: Crypto Messiah ... Too radical ? libertarian dream
Post by: Vision pro on August 29, 2024, 08:18:46 AM
Rumors has it ... Durov was caught because he wanted to take an insta influencer and "crypto coach" to show her Paris. You would expect people holding such a big responsibility in the crypto and decentralised ecosystem to be more cautious ... but no! my dude wanted to flex on an instamodel ....

the ecosystem is run by a bunch of clowns, we are looking forward to a crypto messiah, that would focus the forces, agendas and priorities and lead us into battle against the evil republics
Well, I think everyone has the right to freedom of movement and to pursue their own passions and goals. Durov is also a human being, we cannot ask him to stay in fortified military fortresses out of the reach of governments, we want him to appear in many places to develop Telegram and support the Ton ecosystem.

The problem in this unfortunate event comes from the sudden attitude and decision of the French government. The reasons they gave are really unconvincing and only tell us that they want to have personal data of Telegram users to increase the level of censorship. I hope that Durov will be okay and soon be released.

This event also suggests to us the need for an onchain chat platform to exist and develop without depending on a single company or individual. It would be great if Telegram was operated as a dApp on Ton with data stored on DePIN and the project was governed by DAO.
You bring up some important points about freedom, privacy, and the role of technology in today's world. The situation with Durov highlights the ongoing tension between governments and tech platforms, especially those that prioritize user privacy like Telegram. The desire for governments to access personal data often conflicts with the ideals of freedom and security that many tech users and developers advocate for.
Title: Re: Crypto Messiah ... Too radical ? libertarian dream
Post by: NotATether on August 29, 2024, 11:40:28 AM
the ecosystem is run by a bunch of clowns, we are looking forward to a crypto messiah, that would focus the forces, agendas and priorities and lead us into battle against the evil republics

That sounds a lot like Roger Ver. Oh wait - we kicked him out of the community because he made a worse fork of Bitcoin in bcash.

The crypto community doesn't need a "messiah". Not at all, in fact. It was enough that Satoshi started all of this, and then disappeared. That is the only way crypto survives - if there is no central leadership steering its direction. And see for example the currencies that have centralized figureheads like Buterin to see what happens when this is not followed.
Title: Re: Crypto Messiah ... Too radical ? libertarian dream
Post by: admin on August 29, 2024, 03:08:42 PM
the ecosystem is run by a bunch of clowns, we are looking forward to a crypto messiah, that would focus the forces, agendas and priorities and lead us into battle against the evil republics

That sounds a lot like Roger Ver. Oh wait - we kicked him out of the community because he made a worse fork of Bitcoin in bcash.

The crypto community doesn't need a "messiah". Not at all, in fact. It was enough that Satoshi started all of this, and then disappeared. That is the only way crypto survives - if there is no central leadership steering its direction. And see for example the currencies that have centralized figureheads like Buterin to see what happens when this is not followed.

in a way i guess you're right, no need to hurry, sooner or later they will see that it's not in their best electoral interest to go against crypto people.
Title: Re: Crypto Messiah ... Too radical ? libertarian dream
Post by: dkbit98 on August 29, 2024, 08:07:55 PM
That sounds a lot like Roger Ver. Oh wait - we kicked him out of the community because he made a worse fork of Bitcoin in bcash.
Nobody kicked him from any community, he still has bitcointalk account but he stopped using it himself, like most of the Bitcoin OG's.
I don't like many things Roger Ver did few years ago, but after a while I have to say that he was right about some things, and he was more attacked by government than any of this toxic Bitcoin maxis.
Title: Re: Crypto Messiah ... Too radical ? libertarian dream
Post by: Altlover on August 29, 2024, 08:48:30 PM
Rumors has it ... Durov was caught because he wanted to take an insta influencer and "crypto coach" to show her Paris. You would expect people holding such a big  responsibility in the crypto and decentralised ecosystem to be more cautious ... but no! my dude wanted to flex on an instamodel ....

the ecosystem is run by a bunch of clowns, we are looking forward to a crypto messiah, that would focus the forces, agendas and priorities and lead us into battle against the evil republics
It seems you're expressing frustration about the behavior of high-profile figures in the crypto space, suggesting that their actions, such as Pasha Durov's alleged interest in an influencer, undermine the seriousness of the ecosystem.Many share the sentiment that the ecosystem could benefit from a visionary leader who can consolidate efforts, address challenges, and steer the movement with a clear and strategic focus.
Title: Re: Crypto Messiah ... Too radical ? libertarian dream
Post by: admin on August 29, 2024, 10:51:40 PM
Rumors has it ... Durov was caught because he wanted to take an insta influencer and "crypto coach" to show her Paris. You would expect people holding such a big  responsibility in the crypto and decentralised ecosystem to be more cautious ... but no! my dude wanted to flex on an instamodel ....

the ecosystem is run by a bunch of clowns, we are looking forward to a crypto messiah, that would focus the forces, agendas and priorities and lead us into battle against the evil republics
It seems you're expressing frustration about the behavior of high-profile figures in the crypto space, suggesting that their actions, such as Pasha Durov's alleged interest in an influencer, undermine the seriousness of the ecosystem.Many share the sentiment that the ecosystem could benefit from a visionary leader who can consolidate efforts, address challenges, and steer the movement with a clear and strategic focus.
so you use AI to rephrase the questions, and you win plagia strike ... congrats
Title: Re: Crypto Messiah ... Too radical ? libertarian dream
Post by: God Of Thunder on August 31, 2024, 07:05:44 AM
Please see the 3 points at the end and everything is about cryptology:
1. Providing Cryptology Service ....
2. Providing a Cryptology Tool ....
3. Importing a Cryptology Tool ....

Forget about it, buddy. We all know that it's pre-planned, and they are doing it because Pavel Durov probably refused to cooperate with them in handling users' information. As we all know, governments are always against privacy, and they want the information of their people. One of the crypto projects claims that Pavel Durov was arrested because he cared about users' privacy and refused to hand over the data to the government.

so you use AI to rephrase the questions, and you win plagia strike ... congrats
The dude doesn't know where to do what. He came into the wrong place.
Title: Re: Crypto Messiah ... Too radical ? libertarian dream
Post by: Faisal2202 on August 31, 2024, 03:15:16 PM
yeah of course, no one shifting the blame on the young girl, that's what these instagramers do ... the blame is 100% on Durov for wanting to flex on an instagramer, with a 9 billion net worth, you just don't have to flex anymore. It was stupid from his side.
It was really stupid and the most stupid thing I came to know about him that is he has no HR or other stuff like big organizations/companies have. Telegram is just a team of 45 dudes, I suppose. BTW, that Instagrammer was not that bad haha I mean, no wonder why Pavel would be showing her off Haha, maybe she convinced him or she is an insider.
the accusations against him are just to make him make a deal, he will have a choice between 20 years in prison and 5 month in prison if he leaks or give info about what libraries he used or integrate a library that has a backdoor. That's governments, end of the day it's all about how they can exercise control and leverage.
I got the point here so now if he gets short sentence then it means our data has been shared to the authorities and will be shared to them in future. I guess if he is dumb enough to show off to a girl then he will also accept the short sentence offer.
Title: Re: Crypto Messiah ... Too radical ? libertarian dream
Post by: Themepen on August 31, 2024, 04:00:43 PM
I do not think it is fair to say that people in charge of crypto world are all careless. Just because one person might have made mistake it does not mean everyone will do this same. Many leaders in crypto are working hard to make it better and safer but there are many greedy too.

Crypto world is made up of different types of people like developers... business owners... investors and users. Just because some of them might be selfish it does not mean everyone is. We should not judge whole crypto world based on few people.

I also do not think we need hero to save crypto. Crypto is strong because it is not controlled by one person. Except this we should focus on making crypto more open.. honest and educational. With this way we can build stronger community that can solve problems and make crypto better for everyone.
Title: Re: Crypto Messiah ... Too radical ? libertarian dream
Post by: Gurujebs on August 31, 2024, 04:48:00 PM
I also do not think we need hero to save crypto. Crypto is strong because it is not controlled by one person. Except this we should focus on making crypto more open.. honest and educational. With this way we can build stronger community that can solve problems and make crypto better for everyone.

I think we can agree with other point and disagree with this one that you said. Crypto is now motionally move by the institutional investors rather than just what the retailers used to be believed in my opinion. Then you will see numerous discussions about decentralization and all those stuff to keep the interest in check but now it's more about ETF, the black rock and more adoptions.

The political play background of crypto isn't good, it will better if the government is the one fighting for it than someone who want power by all means. If his plans doesn't succeeded, their is going to be chaos later after the election.
Title: Re: Crypto Messiah ... Too radical ? libertarian dream
Post by: bitterguy28 on October 17, 2024, 10:44:35 AM
I do not think it is fair to say that people in charge of crypto world are all careless. Just because one person might have made mistake it does not mean everyone will do this same. Many leaders in crypto are working hard to make it better and safer but there are many greedy too.
all industries have the good and the bad people

we can't eradicate people who are naturally or inherently selfish from any industry but hope is not all gone i mean look at satoshi and vitalik they have created two of the biggest cryptocurrencies and do not live a life that is full of greed and selfishness there are people who are genuinely interested in making the community a better one without thinking of their own selfish wants
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I also do not think we need hero to save crypto. Crypto is strong because it is not controlled by one person. Except this we should focus on making crypto more open.. honest and educational. With this way we can build stronger community that can solve problems and make crypto better for everyone.
rather than finding one true hero we should all try to aim be a better person on our own instead this way we uplift the community altogether and not just putting all the responsibility on one person