Crypto Messiah ... Too radical ? libertarian dream

[Jating]

We don't need crypto messiah, crypto will be good without any face of it. This is how it's been and should be. He doesn't need to flex everything. And even low key founder like Vitalik Buterin chooses to step down, or CZ was forced to step down, was fined with billions of dollars and he also shell out his own money. Now, we would know how he will answer all the allegations that his platform is being used for illicit activity including drug trafficking and the distribution of child sexual abuse images. That's heavy and perhaps he might have regret his decision to flex his jet and then go to France just to be arrested.

And do we have separation of the power of the developers and those taking advantage of what he developed?

[kai]

Where have they (Police,Judge etc) been from 2013 to mid-2024? Wasn't Telegram born in 2013, right?
So why is Pavel Durov being arrested in Paris now for reasons related to the cryptocurrency circle? Didn't Telegram also (perhaps) fully support cryptocurrency since 5 years ago?

Is this a rival from fellow social media businesses to overthrow the glory of Telegram? ?
Because if you look at it now, Telegram is widely downloaded and in demand by many people around the world, especially yesterday there was an airdrop of DOGS, HAMSTER and others that were already famous.

[God Of Thunder]

Where have they (Police,Judge etc) been from 2013 to mid-2024? Wasn't Telegram born in 2013, right?
So why is Pavel Durov being arrested in Paris now for reasons related to the cryptocurrency circle? Didn't Telegram also (perhaps) fully support cryptocurrency since 5 years ago?

Is this a rival from fellow social media businesses to overthrow the glory of Telegram? ?
Because if you look at it now, Telegram is widely downloaded and in demand by many people around the world, especially yesterday there was an airdrop of DOGS, HAMSTER and others that were already famous.

We never know what is the reality. But, I am sure that those cases against Pavel Durov are something personal. Because we have seen other platforms operating and all the similar things happening using other channels as well. For example, there are a lot of porn messenger groups on Facebook and WhatsApp which spread childporn. If they take everything into account then Mark Zuckerburg should be arrested as well. What about Elon Mask?

BTW, I found these from BitcoinTalk shared by TryNinja

[bitmover]

For example, there are a lot of porn messenger groups on Facebook and WhatsApp which spread childporn. If they take everything into account then Mark Zuckerburg should be arrested as well. What about Elon Mask?

Ofc not.

This was not the only accusation,  but elon musk and Zuckerberg doesn't have porn of minors in their smartphone. Looks like pavel has (at least he was accusation of)

This is very different.

[hugeblack]

I think we should be sad when we see a decentralized idea or service being confiscated instead of trying to defend people, Telegram is a centralized application and the authorities will definitely go after everyone who works on the application while Bitcoin and decentralized networks are supposed to work better with a central point of failure.


In general, if he was arrested because of the privacy or freedom that the Telegram application provides, it will be a message to privacy developers to remain hidden from the eyes of the authorities and to develop applications under an anonymous name.

[admin]

I find most of these accusation pure nonsense
- the dude have a 9 billion valuation, i doubt he would be engaged in anything related to organised crime
- drugs, sure, all mega rich use drugs like there's no tomorrow
- minors porn, this should be clarified, because the most popular tags on most porn sites is teens, and epstein clients are the rich and famous.

What is worrying :
Complicity as a webmaster, from this perspective, no platform have a choice other than submit, open the books and say F freedom of speech, big brother needs everything or else you're complicit.

[Findingnemo]

I find most of these accusation pure nonsense

Absolutely, someone wanted him to be arrested so he is, now they are giving some justification for whatever they did.

Internet is full of everything, and no one can monitor or censor anything completely and telegram accepted the fact and opened for everything, ofcourse it also helped lot of scammers to scam people and pirated contents, porns and anything.

But the only difference is here people get everything for free so those big porno websites or whatever takes big hit in their revenue and I believe that's most probably why they want to destroy it.

[admin]

I find most of these accusation pure nonsense

Absolutely, someone wanted him to be arrested so he is, now they are giving some justification for whatever they did.

Internet is full of everything, and no one can monitor or censor anything completely and telegram accepted the fact and opened for everything, ofcourse it also helped lot of scammers to scam people and pirated contents, porns and anything.

But the only difference is here people get everything for free so those big porno websites or whatever takes big hit in their revenue and I believe that's most probably why they want to destroy it.

I think it is more political,
i think it is about compromising tg or get a back door , especially that it is heavily used in wars these days.
the fact that they are hitting crypto communities and free speech is just a bonus.

[Faisal2202]

Rumors has it ... Durov was caught because he wanted to take an insta influencer and "crypto coach" to show her Paris. You would expect people holding such a big responsibility in the crypto and decentralised ecosystem to be more cautious ... but no! my dude wanted to flex on an instamodel ....

the ecosystem is run by a bunch of clowns, we are looking forward to a crypto messiah, that would focus the forces, agendas and priorities and lead us into battle against the evil republics

So you are talking about Juli Vavilova 24 year-old influencer? I just searched for information about it on Google and came to know about this side of the news as well. The new outlets are saying the Instagram influencers are off the radar and not in contact with her family. It's very unusual for an influencer to go off-grid, although shifting the blame on the girl for posting regular updates of the trips she had with Pavel.

I mean, he (Pavel) should give more concerns about this case, and as far as I remember, he has have said in a statement that only 46 or 48 engineers are controlling Telegram, which also raises a question about the legal side and other sides of the platform, as more human sources are better than few.

In conclusion, Pavel made the mistake and I think he has to suffer this but even if it's his mistake and he did it mistakenly just to show off still he does not deserve the punishment if convicted by authorities. They just don't like him because he has given a platform to anonymously do searching and spreading what's really going on in the world. Like news of wars, incidents that a country wants to hide, etc. This is just not acceptable. If he got convicted then what will happen to Telegram?

[admin]

Rumors has it ... Durov was caught because he wanted to take an insta influencer and "crypto coach" to show her Paris. You would expect people holding such a big responsibility in the crypto and decentralised ecosystem to be more cautious ... but no! my dude wanted to flex on an instamodel ....

the ecosystem is run by a bunch of clowns, we are looking forward to a crypto messiah, that would focus the forces, agendas and priorities and lead us into battle against the evil republics

So you are talking about Juli Vavilova 24 year-old influencer? I just searched for information about it on Google and came to know about this side of the news as well. The new outlets are saying the Instagram influencers are off the radar and not in contact with her family. It's very unusual for an influencer to go off-grid, although shifting the blame on the girl for posting regular updates of the trips she had with Pavel.

I mean, he (Pavel) should give more concerns about this case, and as far as I remember, he has have said in a statement that only 46 or 48 engineers are controlling Telegram, which also raises a question about the legal side and other sides of the platform, as more human sources are better than few.

In conclusion, Pavel made the mistake and I think he has to suffer this but even if it's his mistake and he did it mistakenly just to show off still he does not deserve the punishment if convicted by authorities. They just don't like him because he has given a platform to anonymously do searching and spreading what's really going on in the world. Like news of wars, incidents that a country wants to hide, etc. This is just not acceptable. If he got convicted then what will happen to Telegram?

yeah of course, no one shifting the blame on the young girl, that's what these instagramers do ... the blame is 100% on Durov for wanting to flex on an instagramer, with a 9 billion net worth, you just don't have to flex anymore. It was stupid from his side.

the accusations against him are just to make him make a deal, he will have a choice between 20 years in prison and 5 month in prison if he leaks or give info about what libraries he used or integrate a library that has a backdoor. That's governments, end of the day it's all about how they can exercise control and leverage.

[bitterguy28]

the ecosystem is run by a bunch of clowns, we are looking forward to a crypto messiah, that would focus the forces, agendas and priorities and lead us into battle against the evil republics

hopefully there is someone smart enough to propel the ecosystem forward but not because of his own personal interests

when you reach a level of success it’s hard to not let your head get into it too much especially when there’s money involved satoshi is probably the last genuine person in the industry when he could easily have made himself rich with what he had invented but instead chose to disappear

[dkbit98]

we need then for big players to stop playing with memes coins and start pushing everything towards decentralization
https://365crypto.org/blog/2024/08/21/stop-the-crypto-scams-an-open-letter-to-the-major-crypto-players/

So called big players don't care very much about decentralization, and they are just a part of the problem with current system, especially if they are messing around with meme coins crap.
For example ff you look who is holding most Bitcoin this is now all companies, entities , exchanges, blackrock, etc.
This is all going in direction of centralization.

[kai]

Where have they (Police,Judge etc) been from 2013 to mid-2024? Wasn't Telegram born in 2013, right?
So why is Pavel Durov being arrested in Paris now for reasons related to the cryptocurrency circle? Didn't Telegram also (perhaps) fully support cryptocurrency since 5 years ago?

Is this a rival from fellow social media businesses to overthrow the glory of Telegram? ?
Because if you look at it now, Telegram is widely downloaded and in demand by many people around the world, especially yesterday there was an airdrop of DOGS, HAMSTER and others that were already famous.

We never know what is the reality. But, I am sure that those cases against Pavel Durov are something personal. Because we have seen other platforms operating and all the similar things happening using other channels as well. For example, there are a lot of porn messenger groups on Facebook and WhatsApp which spread childporn. If they take everything into account then Mark Zuckerburg should be arrested as well. What about Elon Mask?

BTW, I found these from BitcoinTalk shared by TryNinja

I also only suspect this is something personal because of social media such as WhatsApp, Messenger etc. there are also things such as porn, drugs, firearms etc.

Please see the 3 points at the end and everything is about cryptology:
1. Providing Cryptology Service ....
2. Providing a Cryptology Tool ....
3. Importing a Cryptology Tool ....

The one who is something that is a business is business competition between social media, remember that this telegram after many airdrop coins events and many downloaded in Playstore immediately there is a case of Pavel Durov being arrested in Paris. Is this a coincidence or is this planned?

[Vision pro]

Rumors has it ... Durov was caught because he wanted to take an insta influencer and "crypto coach" to show her Paris. You would expect people holding such a big responsibility in the crypto and decentralised ecosystem to be more cautious ... but no! my dude wanted to flex on an instamodel ....

the ecosystem is run by a bunch of clowns, we are looking forward to a crypto messiah, that would focus the forces, agendas and priorities and lead us into battle against the evil republics

Well, I think everyone has the right to freedom of movement and to pursue their own passions and goals. Durov is also a human being, we cannot ask him to stay in fortified military fortresses out of the reach of governments, we want him to appear in many places to develop Telegram and support the Ton ecosystem.

The problem in this unfortunate event comes from the sudden attitude and decision of the French government. The reasons they gave are really unconvincing and only tell us that they want to have personal data of Telegram users to increase the level of censorship. I hope that Durov will be okay and soon be released.

This event also suggests to us the need for an onchain chat platform to exist and develop without depending on a single company or individual. It would be great if Telegram was operated as a dApp on Ton with data stored on DePIN and the project was governed by DAO.

You bring up some important points about freedom, privacy, and the role of technology in today's world. The situation with Durov highlights the ongoing tension between governments and tech platforms, especially those that prioritize user privacy like Telegram. The desire for governments to access personal data often conflicts with the ideals of freedom and security that many tech users and developers advocate for.

[NotATether]

the ecosystem is run by a bunch of clowns, we are looking forward to a crypto messiah, that would focus the forces, agendas and priorities and lead us into battle against the evil republics

That sounds a lot like Roger Ver. Oh wait - we kicked him out of the community because he made a worse fork of Bitcoin in bcash.

The crypto community doesn't need a "messiah". Not at all, in fact. It was enough that Satoshi started all of this, and then disappeared. That is the only way crypto survives - if there is no central leadership steering its direction. And see for example the currencies that have centralized figureheads like Buterin to see what happens when this is not followed.