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Title: Q3 2024 market trend
Post by: Findingnemo on September 07, 2024, 03:59:25 PM
It's been on the side ways in the Q2 but in Q3 we are seeing the decline on the gradual rate so let's throw in all your speculations and how the market will end Q3?

Bearish or bullish?

Feel free to take wild shots, cause that's what the speculations are about. :D
Title: Re: Q3 2024 market trend
Post by: Stompix on September 08, 2024, 02:18:30 PM
It's all about the rate cuts
- the fed keeps the rates, it's going to be a bloodbath
- 25 points cut we might get back to the upper sixty on the day of news
- 50 points, might trigger a bearish signal the economy is slowing down and that might again be bad
Title: Re: Q3 2024 market trend
Post by: rdluffy on September 08, 2024, 08:49:40 PM
It's all about the rate cuts
- the fed keeps the rates, it's going to be a bloodbath
- 25 points cut we might get back to the upper sixty on the day of news
- 50 points, might trigger a bearish signal the economy is slowing down and that might again be bad

It seems that BTC is very dependent on rate cuts indeed
There's plenty of good news for BTC, there's interest, ETFs, bullish signs, but there's something holding the price back and that could be it

However, without too much analysis, the months of October and the rest of the year look promising for BTC if history repeats itself, so even with this gradual decline since the ATH, I'm still confident that we're close to another ATH, no bear market for now
Title: Re: Q3 2024 market trend
Post by: hugeblack on September 09, 2024, 05:47:01 AM
The real impact of Halving may start to appear at the end of October and until then the Fed's decisions will have a short-term impact, so I do not expect any change during Q3 and everything that happens will affect Q4, either the price will be between $50,000 and $70,000 or the price will be above $80,000.
Title: Re: Q3 2024 market trend
Post by: TomPluz on September 09, 2024, 06:53:16 AM
It seems that BTC is very dependent on rate cuts indeed. There's plenty of good news for BTC, there's interest, ETFs, bullish signs, but there's something holding the price back and that could be it. However, without too much analysis, the month of October and the rest of the year look promising for BTC if history repeats itself...

I am really wondering why the price movement and direction is now dependent on how the FED will be doing with the interest rate...is it because this is the barometer of the US economy, that is if there will be no cuts it can mean there will some form of a recession and if there is one then retail and institutional investors will be flocking away from BTC? Hope there can come a time when BTC will decouple from the things happening in USA but seems to me this is just a wish list as the USA remains to be the biggest market where Bitcoin is openly recognized asset especially with the approved ETFs they have. In other words, Bitcoin is going where the USA economy is headed...for now!


 
Title: Re: Q3 2024 market trend
Post by: hugeblack on September 09, 2024, 09:04:44 AM

I am really wondering why the price movement and direction is now dependent on how the FED will be doing with the interest rate.
The Fed's decision will be one of the main factors, and the reason for that is that the interest rate is inversely related to liquidity, and the higher it is, the less liquidity and the more difficult it is to access loans, and thus less money for investment.
Title: Re: Q3 2024 market trend
Post by: dragononcrypto on September 09, 2024, 11:53:48 AM
Given price is already down -11% from quarter open of $62.6K I'll stick to the bearish prediction for the rest of the month, that of failing to reclaim the Q3 open for the close.

Overall I was always sceptical of the ETF pump to $70K+ earlier in the year, and believed it was unsustainable, and since then there has been no continued "gold rush" of money coming into Bitcoin since Bitcoin topped out at $60b of ETF holdings in March. Holdings have struggled to move higher and are now dropping back below $50b for the fourth time in past 6 months, which reflects the sideways/bearish sentiment in the market. Maybe Q4 will be the recovery after further downside, but so far Q3 doesn't look great from many angles.

I know many point to fed rates, broader market sentiment, etc, as reasoning, but personally I only ever anticipated sideways/downside for many months after the unsustainable dead cat bounce style run to new ATHs. This was done with little to no consolidation on the way up to make it a sustainable move (apart from around $25K-$30K range). Granted I thought a correction might come sooner, after a few months as opposed to half a year, but I think we will otherwise see a continued correction to $40K levels and 200 WMA if price can't consolidate the increased valuation.

I otherwise think the first few months of sideways price action has turned into a bearish pattern of lower highs and lower lows, so more of the same means further down basically.
Title: Re: Q3 2024 market trend
Post by: Asiska02 on September 09, 2024, 09:57:12 PM
It's been on the side ways in the Q2 but in Q3 we are seeing the decline on the gradual rate so let's throw in all your speculations and how the market will end Q3?

Bearish or bullish?

I think we’ve experienced the bearish part of the market longer than the expected time period we all thought it was going to last, so at this point in the year, I will only say that the market should come to a bullish end of the year in this Q4. I am still optimistic of the market and not giving up that the bearish trend of the market will move till next year early, at the slightest possible time, anything can happen, so I think bitcoin can make it to the bullish trend this year. If it doesn’t, we move our hope till early next year until what we anticipate for is achieved.
Title: Re: Q3 2024 market trend
Post by: Sim_card on September 09, 2024, 10:20:07 PM
It's been on the side ways in the Q2 but in Q3 we are seeing the decline on the gradual rate so let's throw in all your speculations and how the market will end Q3?

Bearish or bullish?

I think we’ve experienced the bearish part of the market longer than the expected time period we all thought it was going to last, so at this point in the year, I will only say that the market should come to a bullish end of the year in this Q4. I am still optimistic of the market and not giving up that the bearish trend of the market will move till next year early, at the slightest possible time, anything can happen, so I think bitcoin can make it to the bullish trend this year. If it doesn’t, we move our hope till early next year until what we anticipate for is achieved.
The price of bitcoin is now at 56k just a little upside and this is good news because i thought that the price will go dipper than what we saw recently at 52k but since the price has started moving uptrend maybe we might see the price of bitcoin at 60k this month. The consolidation period is getting long.
Title: Re: Q3 2024 market trend
Post by: Captain Corporate on September 10, 2024, 12:04:32 AM
We can definitely consider this period to have a potential to get a lot higher. We are getting closer to Q4 and its looking like we can do much better in the future. I know that we are going to see something changing because it can't keep staying low like this for a long time. We know that it can't be something that keep getting lower and lower, which is why I believe that its going to be something higher. I know that it will take a while, but at the end of the day its going to go higher. We should definitely consider this to be higher, and we can definitely see price increasing so it should be something much better.
Title: Re: Q3 2024 market trend
Post by: LogitechMouse on September 11, 2024, 10:03:04 PM
It's been on the side ways in the Q2 but in Q3 we are seeing the decline on the gradual rate so let's throw in all your speculations and how the market will end Q3?

Bearish or bullish?

Feel free to take wild shots, cause that's what the speculations are about. :D
The market will end up a bearish one this month, and then it will be bullish the whole 4th quarter.
Of course, this is just a speculation like what others are doing. :D
(https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/09/11/BfLCb.png)
Just by looking at the history, you will see that Bitcoin's return for the month of September is a negative one on average, and you will also see that the month of September is the most bearish of the three. While the 3rd quarter will end up as a bearish one, I also believe that the final quarter will be a bullish one especially now that many are expecting for the bull market to happen next year, there will be some investors who will take the opportunity to buy Bitcoin during the final 3 months of the year.

My advice to all is that, now that Bitcoin is still on a bearish month, I believe that it's a good time to buy Bitcoin and other altcoins still. :)
Title: Re: Q3 2024 market trend
Post by: hugeblack on September 12, 2024, 04:16:55 AM

My advice to all is that, now that Bitcoin is still on a bearish month, I believe that it's a good time to buy Bitcoin and other altcoins still. :)
+1
Altcoins follow Bitcoin in price, so if it is a bearish month, it is better to buy Bitcoin as the correction for altcoins will not be big and will appear next month. It is true that historical data indicates a decline, but it is relative and within 10% or less, so we are still above ~ $48,000 levels.
Title: Re: Q3 2024 market trend
Post by: Ricardo11 on September 13, 2024, 12:36:50 PM
The real impact of Halving may start to appear at the end of October and until then the Fed's decisions will have a short-term impact, so I do not expect any change during Q3 and everything that happens will affect Q4, either the price will be between $50,000 and $70,000 or the price will be above $80,000.
Yes we can expect something good in Q4, which may have a positive effect towards the end of October. Or hope to see something really good in November. Price is still below 60K, we can't expect anything good soon, it will take more time.
Title: Re: Q3 2024 market trend
Post by: Lucius on September 13, 2024, 02:01:42 PM
When it seems that the price of BTC depends on whether there will be cut rates in the US (and JP has confirmed that this is almost a sure thing) and after that who will be the next president, it seems that we should all look exclusively in the US.

Obviously, nobody cares that the ECB cut interest rates (again), because it seems that there is not much interest in Bitcoin in the EU.

Quote from: https://www.euronews.com/business/2024/09/12/european-central-bank-cuts-interest-rates-as-inflation-slows
As anticipated, the ECB reduced its interest rates on Thursday afternoon during its September meeting.
New interest rates have been set at 3.65% for main refinancing operations, 3.90% for the marginal lending facility, and 3.50% for the deposit facility..."The Governing Council today decided to lower the deposit facility rate – the rate through which it steers the monetary policy stance – by 25 basis points.
Title: Re: Q3 2024 market trend
Post by: Stompix on September 13, 2024, 03:42:09 PM
I am really wondering why the price movement and direction is now dependent on how the FED will be doing with the interest rate...is it because this is the barometer of the US economy, that is if there will be no cuts it can mean there will some form of a recession and if there is one then retail and institutional investors will be flocking away from BTC?

Investors always think of risks versus returns, that's why high rates cut into inflation, less spending when you earn more with money sitting in the bank, you need higher risks to gain more, so this cool the economy.

Hope there can come a time when BTC will decouple from the things happening in USA but seems to me this is just a wish list as the USA remains to be the biggest market where Bitcoin is openly recognized asset especially with the approved ETFs they have. In other words, Bitcoin is going where the USA economy is headed...for now!

Bitcoin is either money or an investment, it can't live in a void that is unaffected by the biggest economy in the world, that would be completely abnormal, you can't have an asset gaining in value like nothing is happening while the world economy goes in recession.
Title: Re: Q3 2024 market trend
Post by: sampoerna on September 13, 2024, 11:39:18 PM
It seems that for the trend in Q3, more price changes often occur suddenly, so the price drops and up-trends are very visible. And even in Q3, the market conditions sometimes drop very much, even very much, especially in August. For September, in the first week it was still very weak, but this week, the market conditions have become increasingly stable. And it seems that this may run better and increase again in the future. Yes, because we are about to face Q4 which is usually in the last quarter, there will be a significant increase for Bitcoin followed by various other altcoins.
Title: Re: Q3 2024 market trend
Post by: Sim_card on September 14, 2024, 10:36:08 AM
It seems that for the trend in Q3, more price changes often occur suddenly, so the price drops and up-trends are very visible. And even in Q3, the market conditions sometimes drop very much, even very much, especially in August. For September, in the first week it was still very weak, but this week, the market conditions have become increasingly stable. And it seems that this may run better and increase again in the future. Yes, because we are about to face Q4 which is usually in the last quarter, there will be a significant increase for Bitcoin followed by various other altcoins.
It's like we have begin to see the significance of the last quarter of the year on bitcoin price because the price has increased to 60k some hours ago and it is still in that range. I think soon we will see some more pumps to 65k and above because the bull run is getting closer day by day and bitcoin price is expected go be above $100k when the bull run is at its peak. Keeping buying because next year will be the year to make excess profit from your bitcoin investment and it is the size of your bitcoin portfolio that will determine your profit.
Title: Re: Q3 2024 market trend
Post by: Rubel007 on September 15, 2024, 08:24:09 AM
The US interest rate policy, SEC's negative attitude towards crypto and various other factors are keeping the market in a tight spot. We can't expect much good this month but wouldn't be surprised if it slowly moves towards 70k. Going into the end of the year, especially towards the end of October, we will be able to see a bullish sentiment in Bitcoin. Bitcoin's long-anticipated bull market is likely to happen after the US election in November. I am hopeful that the market condition will gradually improve.
Title: Re: Q3 2024 market trend
Post by: Lucius on September 15, 2024, 03:23:40 PM
~snip~
We can't expect much good this month but wouldn't be surprised if it slowly moves towards 70k.


On the contrary, on September 17 and 18, at the FOMC meeting, it is expected that the first interest rate cut after 2020 will be officially announced. The only question is whether it will be a minimum of 0.25 points, or perhaps 0.50. This could have a positive impact on the US market, and thus on the price of BTC.

Bitcoin's long-anticipated bull market is likely to happen after the US election in November.
~snip~


What if the great crypto messiah doesn't win? I don't think that there is any significance for BTC in who will be the next US president, but a lot of people believe exactly the opposite and maybe that will be an aggravating circumstance for a big bull run.
Title: Re: Q3 2024 market trend
Post by: Stompix on September 15, 2024, 03:49:59 PM
On the contrary, on September 17 and 18, at the FOMC meeting, it is expected that the first interest rate cut after 2020 will be officially announced. The only question is whether it will be a minimum of 0.25 points, or perhaps 0.50. This could have a positive impact on the US market, and thus on the price of BTC.

Probably a 0.25 and two months later a 0.25!
I've read a few polls and most are saying that a 0.50 would say the FED is behind the curve in inflation and would trigger too much of a shock so they will gradually do this to make it look like total control and allow capital movemtns without sudden spikes that might destabilize a few sectors.
0.5 would be quite hefty, they fear it would make loans to cheap quite fast and bring back not only inflation but piling debt.

Either way there is no scenario where cheap money won't move BTC price up!
Title: Re: Q3 2024 market trend
Post by: Lucius on September 16, 2024, 03:10:44 PM
@Stompix, I read an article (https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/fed-cut-rates-by-25-basis-points-sept-18-twice-more-2024-2024-09-10/) today in which it is speculated that after this cut, the FED could do the same thing twice more by the end of this year - of course, this speculation comes from some kind of survey of economists, 2/3 of whom have such an opinion.

It seems to me that three times would still be a bit too much, but do you think that such a move could be a response to what the ECB is doing on the same issue? If I remember correctly, when the US raised rates, the ECB hesitated for a long time with that move, and now the situation is reversed.

+1
Title: Re: Q3 2024 market trend
Post by: rdluffy on September 16, 2024, 09:38:04 PM
@Stompix, I read an article (https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/fed-cut-rates-by-25-basis-points-sept-18-twice-more-2024-2024-09-10/) today in which it is speculated that after this cut, the FED could do the same thing twice more by the end of this year - of course, this speculation comes from some kind of survey of economists, 2/3 of whom have such an opinion.

It seems to me that three times would still be a bit too much, but do you think that such a move could be a response to what the ECB is doing on the same issue? If I remember correctly, when the US raised rates, the ECB hesitated for a long time with that move, and now the situation is reversed.

+1

So the total would be 25bps right now + 2 cuts, probably 25bps again?
Some people are speculating 50bps for now, but I think they will go for 25bps and see how it goes

Let's hope for a rally for BTC in this Q4 hehehe  8)
Title: Re: Q3 2024 market trend
Post by: Lucius on September 17, 2024, 03:02:09 PM
So the total would be 25bps right now + 2 cuts, probably 25bps again?
Some people are speculating 50bps for now, but I think they will go for 25bps and see how it goes

Let's hope for a rally for BTC in this Q4 hehehe  8)


Obviously, we will have to wait 1-2 days to find out what their first move will be, but I think it is logical that they will first go with 0.25, and then do the same at least once more before the end of the year. If that move is at least somewhat the reason for a new bull run, maybe people will adore Jerome Powell much more than Donald Do Not Trust ;D
Title: Re: Q3 2024 market trend
Post by: rdluffy on September 17, 2024, 08:05:08 PM
Obviously, we will have to wait 1-2 days to find out what their first move will be, but I think it is logical that they will first go with 0.25, and then do the same at least once more before the end of the year. If that move is at least somewhat the reason for a new bull run, maybe people will adore Jerome Powell much more than Donald Do Not Trust ;D

It seems to me that today people are already anticipating what the Fed will do tomorrow
It will probably be the safest, 25bps, I agree

It would be a good combo for the FED to lower the interest rate as you said, twice, plus a possible election of Donald Trump
Adding that to the conclusion of the MtGox and Genesis payments, BTC will have a clear path to Q4  8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Q3 2024 market trend
Post by: Captain Corporate on September 17, 2024, 10:01:56 PM
Q4 definitely looks like there will be more chances to make some money and that is going to be a good thing to hold for. While I have no data or proof that it will go up, the only thing I turst is tga so far each ATH came after one year of halving which means that either Q1 or Q2 of 2025 shoukd be a big profit for us and the upside will not be overnight, so we should start some increase with Q4 of this year or at least that is the hope and we can make some money that way. It should be all greens in the near future and can do better for sure.
Title: Re: Q3 2024 market trend
Post by: Lucius on September 18, 2024, 12:55:08 PM
It seems to me that today people are already anticipating what the Fed will do tomorrow
It will probably be the safest, 25bps, I agree

It would be a good combo for the FED to lower the interest rate as you said, twice, plus a possible election of Donald Trump
Adding that to the conclusion of the MtGox and Genesis payments, BTC will have a clear path to Q4  8) 8) 8)


Some are behaving just like that, others are still waiting for the official announcement, because the difference between 0.25 and 0.50 bp is significant in terms of how the market will behave. If you are interested in a little more about it, I suggest that you read the following article, I will only highlight the part related to Bitcoin.

Quote from: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-09-18/five-things-you-need-to-know-to-start-your-day-americas
Hedge fund manager Anthony Scaramucci projected record highs for Bitcoin, fueled by a combination of interest-rate cuts and US regulatory clarity for crypto in the wake of November’s presidential election. “We are going to get pro-cryptocurrency, Bitcoin, and stablecoin legislation in the first part of the next congressional term in the US,” the founder of SkyBridge Capital said in an interview. “At the same time, you’re intersecting with rate cuts from the Federal Reserve.”
Title: Re: Q3 2024 market trend
Post by: rdluffy on September 18, 2024, 10:40:22 PM

Some are behaving just like that, others are still waiting for the official announcement, because the difference between 0.25 and 0.50 bp is significant in terms of how the market will behave. If you are interested in a little more about it, I suggest that you read the following article, I will only highlight the part related to Bitcoin.

Quote from: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-09-18/five-things-you-need-to-know-to-start-your-day-americas
Hedge fund manager Anthony Scaramucci projected record highs for Bitcoin, fueled by a combination of interest-rate cuts and US regulatory clarity for crypto in the wake of November’s presidential election. “We are going to get pro-cryptocurrency, Bitcoin, and stablecoin legislation in the first part of the next congressional term in the US,” the founder of SkyBridge Capital said in an interview. “At the same time, you’re intersecting with rate cuts from the Federal Reserve.”

Thanks Lucius, I've read the article, it's a good summary  ;)

The news came out a few hours ago and the cut was really 50bps

(https://i.ibb.co/fYLGgt4/cut.png) (https://imgbb.com/)
Source (https://edition.cnn.com/business/live-news/federal-reserve-interest-rate-09-18-24/index.html)

In a few weeks we'll be able to start feeling the results, and if the planets align in favor of BTC, there's everything to have a great rally hehehe

Title: Re: Q3 2024 market trend
Post by: Lucius on September 19, 2024, 01:47:48 PM
@rdluffy, some expected such a move, but I honestly thought that they would be a little more moderate in their decision. It is obvious that they feel that they need to make money cheaper, as the ECB did with its two cuts of 0.25 each, so maybe in some way they want to catch up with other countries that have been cutting rates for some time, and investors go where the conditions are more favorable for them.

As for the results, the price of BTC has already reacted and currently reached $62 500, but it is still too early to say whether this is only temporary or it will have a long-term effect.

+1
Title: Re: Q3 2024 market trend
Post by: MrSpasybo on September 21, 2024, 04:31:51 PM
Q4 definitely looks like there will be more chances to make some money and that is going to be a good thing to hold for. While I have no data or proof that it will go up, the only thing I turst is tga so far each ATH came after one year of halving which means that either Q1 or Q2 of 2025 shoukd be a big profit for us and the upside will not be overnight, so we should start some increase with Q4 of this year or at least that is the hope and we can make some money that way. It should be all greens in the near future and can do better for sure.
Yeah, I also want to mention the opportunities in Q4 2024 because Q4 is usually a good period for financial markets, including crypto. The accumulation over the past six months has probably been enough and we're seeing a slight recovery in both BTC and ALTS. Q4 could make a difference with Uptober, Moonvember, and Pumpcember.

Currently, I'm waiting for BTC to grow impressively and break above $65K strongly to confirm the break of the nearly 200-day downtrend. Conversely, if $65K remains too strong of a resistance, we might have to face negative scenarios for the entire market.

(https://www.tradingview.com/x/Zef1xjY0/)
Title: Re: Q3 2024 market trend
Post by: Stompix on September 21, 2024, 04:41:08 PM
As for the results, the price of BTC has already reacted and currently reached $62 500, but it is still too early to say whether this is only temporary or it will have a long-term effect.

This is the news movement, for the actual cash inflow that we need to either sustain the price or move it further we have to wait for the money to start moving and it's going to take some time, it's all about bond rates, how the stockmarket grows and if banks will be keen on loans from here.
2yo bonds are down from 4.9 to 3.6, it might sound like little but that's a lot of money parked that will start moving once it starts hitting 2%, and if the stock market jumps you will see even less interest in them.

We need at least two weeks of full trading to see a solid clue of where we're going but I will say it right now, down is not really an option and if that happens it's because something else that's pretty bad did too!
Title: Re: Q3 2024 market trend
Post by: jeraldskie11 on September 21, 2024, 06:52:14 PM
In the history of Bitcoin, September is the month that has the most no big upside movement in the market, normally we can see the price falling or it is in sideways. But now, it's different, we see a nice bullish movement this week and I think it's a sweet move. No matter what happens to the price this month, I believe that next month October there will be a huge upside movement in the price of Bitcoin. In general, Q3 is the accumulating phase for the bull run.
Title: Re: Q3 2024 market trend
Post by: Stompix on September 26, 2024, 08:16:09 PM
But now, it's different, we see a nice bullish movement this week and I think it's a sweet move.

Because history has a habit of not repeating exactly when you're so sure of it.
Bitcoin is following the trends, the stock market is up on solid gains, everything is positive in the economy, inflation is down and rates are cut so this will be the best September, it will be pretty funny if it's October disappointing us all!
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/09/25/stock-market-today-live-updates.html
Everywhere is just green!


Title: Re: Q3 2024 market trend
Post by: LogitechMouse on September 26, 2024, 10:51:16 PM
But now, it's different, we see a nice bullish movement this week and I think it's a sweet move.

Because history has a habit of not repeating exactly when you're so sure of it.
Bitcoin is following the trends, the stock market is up on solid gains, everything is positive in the economy, inflation is down and rates are cut so this will be the best September, it will be pretty funny if it's October disappointing us all!
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/09/25/stock-market-today-live-updates.html
Everywhere is just green!
I've always basing on history, but it seems like this time, it's different for Bitcoin and the whole market as well.
Historically speaking, Bitcoin on the month of September is a bearish one, but not this month becuase it seems like it will end up with a greenish candle. :D Well, we've seen Bitcoin surpassing it's ATH a few weeks before the halving event happen so the quote "expect the unexpected" really is applicable with Bitcoin, eh?

It's just good to see the market in green right now and what's even good is that, the "Fear and Greed Index" right now is at 48. Octber will not be a disappointing month (fingers crossed), but I'm ready just in case it will. I hope not and by that time, we will be seeing the start of the bull market that many are waiting for.