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Crypto Discussion Forum => Forum related => Topic started by: Freemind on November 17, 2024, 12:06:30 PM
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I would like to try the following during the remainder of this year 2024. If this initiative is well received, and has a positive impact on the forum and the correct use of the tools we have, the amount of Karma could increase.
Users who report bad habits and abusive behavior (spam, post bursting, AI generated posts, shilling...) will receive a positive Karma of +4.
Users who are part of D. Team (Decentralized Team) will receive +10.
Additionally, users who report users who participate in signature campaigns and have habits like those mentioned above (and others) will receive a positive Karma of +12.
Users who are part of D. Team (Decentralized Team) will receive +18.
Depending on the signature campaign and the manager, you may also receive part of that week's payment from the user who broke the rules.
An example:
Great work, the way you represented it, was outstanding. Thank you.
You will receive half of their payment that they have earned last week. PM me a bech32 address.
There are many users who want to participate in signature campaigns and cannot since there are no free spaces, so it seems very unfair to me that users who have that privilege do not use it correctly.
Learn more about how to be part of the Decentralized Team: Decentralized Team Members List (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=192825.0). Thanks @dragononcrypto.
Remember that reports should always be made in the appropriate thread for each case, and always showing the evidence in the clearest and most concise way possible.
There is a separate thread for each type of different cases, you will find them in the pinned posts: Forum related » Decentralized Team (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=323.0).
From here I read your opinions, complaints and insults :)
Updates:
If translators want to translate this OP into their language, they will be welcomed and also rewarded.
Spanish (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=325925.0).
Pidgin (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=325964.0) . Thanks to Mia Chloe.
Arabic (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=326197.0) . Thanks to yhiaali3.
Bangla (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=326459.0) . Thanks to DYING_S0UL.
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I think this can be a good move incentivizing forum members to report other members who not contributing anything of value. Let's go for this...am sure all good forumers of good standing would also welcome this opportunity to increase their karmas while at the same time controlling spammers and bad posters. So my vote is a big YES!
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Regardless of what the President of Freemind makes the rules, of course I agree with you because before this rule was made it must have been discussed first with various staff + Moderator + D.Team etc. But what about members who find Bugs on the altcoinstalks website?
Will the member get karma plus (+)?
Because as far as I know the member also helps provide suggestions for the good of this altcoinstalks website. Thank you.
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I think this can be a good move incentivizing forum members to report other members who not contributing anything of value. Let's go for this...am sure all good forumers of good standing would also welcome this opportunity to increase their karmas while at the same time controlling spammers and bad posters. So my vote is a big YES!
Thank you very much for your support TomPluz.
Regardless of what the President of Freemind makes the rules, of course I agree with you because before this rule was made it must have been discussed first with various staff + Moderator + D.Team etc. But what about members who find Bugs on the altcoinstalks website?
Will the member get karma plus (+)?
Because as far as I know the member also helps provide suggestions for the good of this altcoinstalks website. Thank you.
Any user who reports a bug on the forum will also receive +Karma. Depending on the severity of the bug, the amount of Karma could be higher or lower, but the user will always get +Karma.
It is important to do this on the corresponding board, and provide as much information as possible so that the administrator can solve it.
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@Freemind, I have nothing against your initiative, but if you offer something like this publicly, you have to keep in mind that some will try to abuse it. At the same time, I think that instead of "wasting time" looking for those who do something against the rules of the forum, some may decide to get karma in an easier way by creating alt accounts and reporting themselves.
However, I hope that your initiative will bring more benefits than attempted abuse - additionally, if you haven't read it already, I suggested that the rules for DTeam be a little stricter.
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@Freemind, I have nothing against your initiative, but if you offer something like this publicly, you have to keep in mind that some will try to abuse it. At the same time, I think that instead of "wasting time" looking for those who do something against the rules of the forum, some may decide to get karma in an easier way by creating alt accounts and reporting themselves.
However, I hope that your initiative will bring more benefits than attempted abuse - additionally, if you haven't read it already, I suggested that the rules for DTeam be a little stricter.
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While writing the post I have taken into account the things you say. But I think (and remember that it is a test that ends on December 31) that it could contribute more beneficial things to the forum than bad. Of course there will be people who try to abuse it, but that would happen with this initiative or any other, and I also think it is a different way to participate in the forum.
I'll take a look at the D. Team rules you mentioned. Thanks for your advice Lucius.
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Alot of complaints, suggestions and drama already surrounding the karma system, it will be nice if left alone for now to avoid people exploiting the system.
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Well, I appreciate your effort in trying to use every possible way to make the forum active. While I support this initiative, I somewhat agree with what Lucius said. I understand this is temporary and will end by December 2024, But if you write these things publicly, some people will try to abuse the system. So, after the trial, if you believe it's working, you and some closed-circle staff may know that it will continue, but I think if you do not announce it publicly, that will be better. I get why you posted this thread (So everyone can know and contribute).
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Your write up packs some quite nice initiatives. Before now I've always been of the opinion that certain things on this forum require more karma than they are actually given and when I mean more karma it's usually positive Karma. Different contributions on the forum should have a different amount of karma allocated besides it would prompt people to do better if they are appreciated.
Take for example the telegram bot notifier by PX-Z and the extension by babo too, these are contribution that without doubt most members of the forum are will to give more karma to than just one they are limited to.
I'll be reserving this topic to be translated to my local language pidgin.
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I think this is a good trial to have +1. A high incentive for helping to moderate the forum make mods jobs easier. For context, it might be assumed that most of the spammers, shills, plagiarists, AI bots, etc, are reported in d team section, but in fact this is probably only 5-10% of users that are warned/punished. If more were being reported, it would be less work for us.
I understand this is temporary and will end by December 2024, But if you write these things publicly, some people will try to abuse the system.
If anyone is abusing the reporting system they will get -karma, which has been the case for a long-time already (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=11700.0) (and also rarely occurs), so this isn't a particular concern imo.
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I think regarding the Karman system, this is more of the way the admin of this forum sees it than the we we may personally perceived it, though something like this which you brought in OP is a good idea, we may all cast our various opinion towards it, also regarding the running signature campaigns and the intending ones, they may not only limit their requirement for taking participants bade on the karma level reach, but their current post history which will tell more of their active participations on various aspects of the forum contributions.
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Alot of complaints, suggestions and drama already surrounding the karma system, it will be nice if left alone for now to avoid people exploiting the system.
There will always be complaints and problems, regardless of the internal or external workings of Karma. It is something inherent to human beings, to complain about everything.
Well, I appreciate your effort in trying to use every possible way to make the forum active. While I support this initiative, I somewhat agree with what Lucius said. I understand this is temporary and will end by December 2024, But if you write these things publicly, some people will try to abuse the system. So, after the trial, if you believe it's working, you and some closed-circle staff may know that it will continue, but I think if you do not announce it publicly, that will be better. I get why you posted this thread (So everyone can know and contribute).
I am clear that there will be users trying to abuse, that cannot be avoided (from the beginning) but I have a few more things in mind, to make things a little more difficult for this type of users.
Your write up packs some quite nice initiatives. Before now I've always been of the opinion that certain things on this forum require more karma than they are actually given and when I mean more karma it's usually positive Karma. Different contributions on the forum should have a different amount of karma allocated besides it would prompt people to do better if they are appreciated.
Take for example the telegram bot notifier by PX-Z and the extension by babo too, these are contribution that without doubt most members of the forum are will to give more karma to than just one they are limited to.
I'll be reserving this topic to be translated to my local language pidgin.
You are absolutely right in what you say about the notifier and the extension. That will be the next thing I have in mind for early next year. Now I only have a draft and I prefer to focus on the topic at hand in this thread before starting other things.
Thank you very much for the translation.
I think regarding the Karman system, this is more of the way the admin of this forum sees it than the we we may personally perceived it, though something like this which you brought in OP is a good idea, we may all cast our various opinion towards it, also regarding the running signature campaigns and the intending ones, they may not only limit their requirement for taking participants bade on the karma level reach, but their current post history which will tell more of their active participations on various aspects of the forum contributions.
Above all, it is about having a fairer, cleaner forum in which more users participate. Logically, this test will be useful for other things, but it is still early for that.
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You are absolutely right in what you say about the notifier and the extension. That will be the next thing I have in mind for early next year. Now I only have a draft and I prefer to focus on the topic at hand in this thread before starting other things.
Yes that's very true, many members including me would love to give more more karma to posts like that. However the idea of negative Karma is something that should be left as one in my opinion this is to avoid members from abusing it. In that case, if someone should do something abusive enough to be given a bigger hunk of negative then that should be something mods should be able to do.
If not people may abuse it. You could find case where someone may decide to give someone else a hunk of negative Karma over a little difference in point of view.
I translated the topic already!! Here it is:
To de move karma and to de avoid abuse. (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=325964.msg1668478#msg1668478)
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I support your idea, we can encourage people to expose abusers through this. The forum can be kept clean. One concern I have is that abusers might try to exploit this, so we have to be careful. Just as Lucius said, alts can expose themselves with other alts. There should be some kind of rule that a member has to meet certain criteria to be able to participate in this.
If translators want to translate this OP into their language, they will be welcomed and also rewarded.
Can I reserve the translation for Bangla language? I am a member of AOBT.
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I translated the topic already!! Here it is:
To de move karma and to de avoid abuse. (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=325964.msg1668478#msg1668478)
Thank you very much for your work.
+5.
Your translation has been added to the OP.
I support your idea, we can encourage people to expose abusers through this. The forum can be kept clean. One concern I have is that abusers might try to exploit this, so we have to be careful. Just as Lucius said, alts can expose themselves with other alts. There should be some kind of rule that a member has to meet certain criteria to be able to participate in this.
Can I reserve the translation for Bangla language? I am a member of AOBT.
I think it's time to test, without further complications, after the test I will have a better idea of where to take the situation and know which users have also been most valuable to the forum.
Of course, the translation is yours.
Thank you so much.
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I guess admin is already being generous and giving Karma to the users who report abusers and I have done it only once and recieved +10 but this suggestion may look encouraging spam busting but people will always find ways to abuse the system like pointed out earlier people will create alt account just to get the Karma and speed up the process which is not organic so I wish the system left to be same as now.
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This is good idea and it will make people to post qualitatively and not quantitatively. And for the karma give away, admin has been given like to those who actively revealing post Bursters, spammers and other malicious characters.
But the reporter should have enough evidence when giving any report and other members should also critically analyse the accusation and if the person is guilty then the rewards should be given to the reporter and if they are false then the reporter should receive the punishments. Because some people might bring false accusations because of the rewards.
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I guess admin is already being generous and giving Karma to the users who report abusers and I have done it only once and recieved +10 but this suggestion may look encouraging spam busting but people will always find ways to abuse the system like pointed out earlier people will create alt account just to get the Karma and speed up the process which is not organic so I wish the system left to be same as now.
What you say is similar to what other forum users have commented in previous posts, but I think no one should be alarmed and no one should be wrong. I already said that this is a simple test that ends on December 31 of this year. I am aware that there will be people who want to abuse and it is possible that some will do so, but it would be, at best, a minority. Really the most important thing is that people participate more in the forum, there is less spam, shilling, etc... and also that more Karma is distributed among the users. If there is not much interest or there are many users trying to abuse it, the test is canceled on the last day of next month and that's it, no problem.
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@Freemind, I think that in a little more than a month there can't be too much damage from the abuse of your generosity, and that's why it's good that it's just a test in which you'll see how the forum members will react.
Is there a specific date when you will start applying the new karma rewards or is it already valid since this topic was opened?
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@Freemind, I think that in a little more than a month there can't be too much damage from the abuse of your generosity, and that's why it's good that it's just a test in which you'll see how the forum members will react.
Is there a specific date when you will start applying the new karma rewards or is it already valid since this topic was opened?
@Lucius, precisely because of the little time left until December 31st I decided to do this "test". In such a short time, users who decide to do things wrong will not have much time, so the damage, as you say, will be minimal.
These Karma rewards apply from the time I wrote in OP.
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These Karma rewards apply from the time I wrote in OP.
I thought you would start implementing the new rules from the beginning of December - considering that I have a report the day after your announcement and I didn't notice that I was hit with the new reward ;)
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Hey Freemind,
I had a quick question, this might be little off topic though. How/where do one report low quality posts? I mean is there any dedicated thread for that? Or do we use the "report to moderator" button? How does that work? By low quality I meant copy paste posting.
Today I saw one user who was doing copy paste posting. Although he added the source link at the end, but he didn't add any value, opinion or anything of his own. He took the entire content from some news sites and posted it here!
I reported it here (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=325459.msg1670655#msg1670655) since he is one of the participant at Royse's campaign.
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I thought you would start implementing the new rules from the beginning of December - considering that I have a report the day after your announcement and I didn't notice that I was hit with the new reward ;)
I just saw the report you said and the reason you didn't have Karma was because I didn't see that report ;D
If within a few hours (or the next day) of publishing the report the user who makes the report has not received the corresponding Karma according to the numbers published in the OP, please tell me, in a thread or by PM.
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Hey Freemind,
I had a quick question, this might be little off topic though. How/where do one report low quality posts? I mean is there any dedicated thread for that? Or do we use the "report to moderator" button? How does that work? By low quality I meant copy paste posting.
Today I saw one user who was doing copy paste posting. Although he added the source link at the end, but he didn't add any value, opinion or anything of his own. He took the entire content from some news sites and posted it here!
I reported it here (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=325459.msg1670655#msg1670655) since he is one of the participant at Royse's campaign.
No, there is no thread dedicated to that type of spam. But you can post your reports in the threads that are already available for those things.
+4.
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Hey Freemind
I had a quick question, this might be little off topic though. How/where do one report low quality posts? I mean is there any dedicated thread for that? Or do we use the "report to moderator" button? How does that work? By low quality I meant copy paste posting.
I think our President forgot there is the topic for shitposting (as you already found it seems): https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=320260.0
Shitposts are otherwise on the "do not report to mod list": https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=112180.0
I realise this might sound like a contradiction, but it's because if a user needs to be warned/punished, then it needs to be reported to a D team based mod to act upon.
If you just use the report to mod function, at best the post will be deleted, but more likely the report will just be closed with no action taken.
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I think our President forgot there is the topic for shitposting (as you already found it seems): https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=320260.0
We are only human! Yes, I found that thread, made the report again!
Shitposts are otherwise on the "do not report to mod list": https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=112180.0
I realise this might sound like a contradiction, but it's because if a user needs to be warned/punished, then it needs to be reported to a D team based mod to act upon. If you just use the report to mod function, at best the post will be deleted, but more likely the report will just be closed with no action taken.
Sorry, but I didn't understand this statement! So you mean rather than using the "Report to mod" function, we should directly report it to the D team? This way they can be punished publicly!
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I think our President forgot there is the topic for shitposting (as you already found it seems): https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=320260.0
We are only human! Yes, I found that thread, made the report again!
If you didn't initially report in D team section, then you were right to report again there. That's what it's there for :)
Shitposts are otherwise on the "do not report to mod list": https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=112180.0
I realise this might sound like a contradiction, but it's because if a user needs to be warned/punished, then it needs to be reported to a D team based mod to act upon. If you just use the report to mod function, at best the post will be deleted, but more likely the report will just be closed with no action taken.
Sorry, but I didn't understand this statement! So you mean rather than using the "Report to mod" function, we should directly report it to the D team? This way they can be punished publicly!
I think every-time I explain it makes less and less sense, so it's not just you ;)
It's nothing to do with private/public reporting, but simply the mods that will deal with each report, ie the technical limitations of such reporting. For example if you use report to mod function, it will be seen by all section mods as well as global mods. A section mod is either Jnr Mod or Full Mod (modz), and the former have no ability to send warnings, while the later have little to no ability to apply punishemnt badges. Furthermore, not all GMs deal with the English-speaking side of the forum aside from the odd topic trashed here or moved there (about half deal with all the other languages combined, so these GMs typically won't deal with D team related issues, that's very much isolated to the general sections).
So if you use the report to mod function, you are likely going to be reporting to the wrong set of mods basically. I keep an eye on old reports for this reason, but only about once a week.
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I think our President forgot there is the topic for shitposting (as you already found it seems): https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=320260.0
Shitposts are otherwise on the "do not report to mod list": https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=112180.0
I realise this might sound like a contradiction, but it's because if a user needs to be warned/punished, then it needs to be reported to a D team based mod to act upon.
If you just use the report to mod function, at best the post will be deleted, but more likely the report will just be closed with no action taken.
Precisely for things like that (forgetting something) I said in another post a few hours ago that someone would remind me of things if I didn't act on something in a few hours.
dragononcrypto is absolutely right.
My apologies.
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I thought you would start implementing the new rules from the beginning of December - considering that I have a report the day after your announcement and I didn't notice that I was hit with the new reward ;)
I just saw the report you said and the reason you didn't have Karma was because I didn't see that report ;D
If within a few hours (or the next day) of publishing the report the user who makes the report has not received the corresponding Karma according to the numbers published in the OP, please tell me, in a thread or by PM.
+10.
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No problem, I'll pay attention to it. It will be interesting to see if more members will become active around reports - and I wonder how many of them even know about your offer, considering that this board is not very popular compared to some others.
What else can you say except if you care about the forum, the forum will care about you back :)
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If translators want to translate this OP into their language, they will be welcomed and also rewarded.
Thanks @Freemind
If you allow me, I have transferred the topic and translated it into Arabic and pinned it in the Arabic section
Here is the link:
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=27.0
I hope I did a good job in the translation
Regards
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great initiative!
i am sure that everyone here on the forum wants to make sure the forum is functioning properly and that we maintain an active and very productive discussion here in our community so any reports of such should be encouraged and + karma will only push the members further into that direction
i just hope we don’t randomly report people for the sake of getting karma it can be a tedious process trying to verify whether the reported account is actually abusing the system or not let us be mindful and take context into account
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i just hope we don’t randomly report people for the sake of getting karma it can be a tedious process trying to verify whether the reported account is actually abusing the system or not let us be mindful and take context into account
Report members randomly without a valid reason would be something that can only harm those who do it - and for such there is also a "reward" in the form of negative karma. If you know the rules of the forum, then you won't have too many doubts about most things that are self-explanatory - and if you don't know the rules of the forum, then it's better to read them and not guess what is good and what is bad.
@yhiaali3, I assume you did a good job :)
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Thanks @Freemind
If you allow me, I have transferred the topic and translated it into Arabic and pinned it in the Arabic section
Here is the link:
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=27.0
I hope I did a good job in the translation
Regards
Thank you very much for your work yhiaali3.
Your translation has been added to the OP.
+5.
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i just hope we don’t randomly report people for the sake of getting karma it can be a tedious process trying to verify whether the reported account is actually abusing the system or not let us be mindful and take context into account
Thank you very much for your words. As Lucius says, the user who makes reports without valid and clear information will not only not obtain positive Karma, he will only receive negative Karma and in large quantities.
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@yhiaali3, I assume you did a good job :)
+1
Thank you very much for your work yhiaali3.
Your translation has been added to the OP.
+5.
Thank you very much, it is my pleasure.
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Have to say that this is a very good initiative and one that will help keep each and every one of us on our toes to always be the best we can be at all times, since it's commonly said that "a city where there are no laws, or laws are not being implemented and effected, everyone there in that city will live and do whatever they like without a second thought"..
Its a very good initiative which I did would have loved to translate and share in my local community, but specifically thanks to Mia Chloe for doing this already.
I will definitely have too read up on how to join the Decentralized team, one I've longed for before now but never had the time to perform some research on how to go about,
Thanks for including a link to the process here.
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For all users interested in being part of the D.Team, you should know that dragononcrypto has updated the requirements to receive the badge and begin to be an active part.
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Per above comments, the difficulty for reaching D Team membership has been increased by 3-5 reports to 5-10 reports.
Membership is otherwise currently determined by president and certain ex presidents, thus this requirement can be disregarded at their own discretion.
I want to remember that the amount of Karma that users who are part of the D.Team receive is much higher than that received by the rest of the users.
More info: Decentralized Team Members List (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=192825.0/).
For users who want to earn extra Karma (which I assume is everyone), this thread will also help you protect your forum account a little more: Earn Karma by securing your account (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=326454.0).
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Dear Freemind,
Here is the translated "Bangla" version of your topic: https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=326459.new#new
Can you please update OP?
-DS :)
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Dear Freemind,
Here is the translated "Bangla" version of your topic: https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=326459.new#new
Can you please update OP?
-DS :)
The OP has been updated with your translation DYING_S0UL.
Thank you very much for your work.
+5.
I want to remind translators that by translating into other languages they will also earn extra Karma.
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Well, it seems that this test has gone quite well during the days it has been running and no abuses have been committed, which is very important. Therefore, we are going to maintain it with the same conditions that can be read in the OP for an indefinite period of time.
Remember that suggestions and new ideas to expand this initiative will always be welcome.
Thanks to all the users who have participated, dedicating their time and effort to improving the forum.