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Learning & News => For Beginners => Basic questions about this forum => Topic started by: Stuart on November 21, 2024, 07:43:11 PM
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I saw Watched at the bottom of an account in the forum and was not really convenient with it, so I made a search in the forum to get it's meaning, which I found herein this link (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=19690.0)
A question came to my mind having read the response of dragoncrypto, which said does he have a negative karma?
My question is, what if the forum member does not have a negative karma?
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A question came to my mind having read the response of dragoncrypto, which said does he have a negative karma?
My question is, what if the forum member does not have a negative karma?
Like the account is under surveillance? That once that user do it again (spam posting, low quality, karma abuse, etc) the account will be demoted or will be given negative karma, or maybe banned. Sounds something like that.
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What makes you think it's inconvenient to see? Isn't the tag small enough and doesn't clutter the member profile page? At least that's my experience with watched members.
For me, a status like that helps me watch out for potential spammers so I can respond accordingly. I believe we also have the shiller tag, which is quite convenient because replying to them might be wasteful since they only respond to shill content.
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What makes you think it's inconvenient to see? Isn't the tag small enough and doesn't clutter the member profile page? At least that's my experience with watched members.
What I meant by inconvenience is that if the person has positive karma and is being watched, Px-z said Surveillance
Can it be removed when the quality of post improves or it'll remain there forever?
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What makes you think it's inconvenient to see? Isn't the tag small enough and doesn't clutter the member profile page? At least that's my experience with watched members.
any warning is never inconvenient for me but it is not like it is such a sore in the eyes
For me, a status like that helps me watch out for potential spammers so I can respond accordingly. I believe we also have the shiller tag, which is quite convenient because replying to them might be wasteful since they only respond to shill content.
i value all of the members' opinions here on the forum even if they are a beginner but we have to sometimes be wary of who we interact with in this forum there are plenty information being shared in the forum and we want to make sure that whoever is sharing this has a good reputation and shares only news that has credibility and isnt laced with fake news
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What makes you think it's inconvenient to see? Isn't the tag small enough and doesn't clutter the member profile page? At least that's my experience with watched members.
any warning is never inconvenient for me but it is not like it is such a sore in the eyes
For me, a status like that helps me watch out for potential spammers so I can respond accordingly. I believe we also have the shiller tag, which is quite convenient because replying to them might be wasteful since they only respond to shill content.
i value all of the members' opinions here on the forum even if they are a beginner but we have to sometimes be wary of who we interact with in this forum there are plenty information being shared in the forum and we want to make sure that whoever is sharing this has a good reputation and shares only news that has credibility and isnt laced with fake news
Right, warnings, tags and labels on profiles are good in many ways, but not when it overloads the profile page (left side of the post) due to many images including avatar. If it can be resized or what it will be much better.
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What I meant by inconvenience is that if the person has positive karma and is being watched, Px-z said Surveillance
Can it be removed when the quality of post improves or it'll remain there forever?
As other users have told you, you will see a user have the "Watched" mark on their profile when some forum rules are broken. It is due to a “Warning” that the moderators send to that user, it can be 5%, 10%, 15% or 20%. The 5% warning does not appear on the profiles, only the highest ones appear. These warnings are automatically removed by the system a few hours later.
If a user does not improve the quality of their posts, or continues to post spam (for example) they will receive another warning, if they reach a total of 3 warnings, they will receive a badge with the first strike.
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What I meant by inconvenience is that if the person has positive karma and is being watched, Px-z said Surveillance
Can it be removed when the quality of post improves or it'll remain there forever?
As other users have told you, you will see a user have the "Watched" mark on their profile when some forum rules are broken. It is due to a “Warning” that the moderators send to that user, it can be 5%, 10%, 15% or 20%. The 5% warning does not appear on the profiles, only the highest ones appear. These warnings are automatically removed by the system a few hours later.
If a user does not improve the quality of their posts, or continues to post spam (for example) they will receive another warning, if they reach a total of 3 warnings, they will receive a badge with the first strike.
I think my explanation from 2018 is more or less the same as today, and Freemind otherwise explained what this means. Being watched otherwise means your are on a mod watchlist, which is a temporary list of users that we are keeping an eye on, and thus is a temporary mark on such profiles. Here's otherwise some further details regarding the warning level system.
Temporary Warnings (Not Membership Groups)
(https://i.imgur.com/MsSJvaF.png) => Below 10% warning level no longer appears on your posts, the warning level will eventually decrease to 0%
(https://i.imgur.com/1XZtnPb.png) => Below 30% warning level you will no longer have posts moderated, but still be watched
(https://i.imgur.com/OUUx8mx.png) => Blow 60% warning level you will no longer be muted, but instead have posts moderated
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^ So the tag is only for the spammers? I saw the tag even for someone possibly using AI for posting but not yet conclusive and on other scenarios too but can't remember those profiles to see why they were under watch list.
Another question, if someone is under watch list they will be removed from it after certain period of time if there's no offense made in the period like probationary period or mod has to remove from those users from time to time?
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^ So the tag is only for the spammers? I saw the tag even for someone possibly using AI for posting but not yet conclusive and on other scenarios too but can't remember those profiles to see why they were under watch list.
Back then it was mainly only for spammers. Now with plagiarists, shills, AI bots, and other misbehaving users, it's effectively anyone who has broken the forum rules and been warned for such behaviour.
Another question, if someone is under watch list they will be removed from it after certain period of time if there's no offense made in the period like probationary period or mod has to remove from those users from time to time?
As Freemind and I already said, the warning is only temporary, thus it disappears automatically from the profile, not due to any intervention from mods.
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Many people have given you so many answers but let me add mine. From various observation and seeing it from people profiles, whenever I see "Watched" in someone's profile, it means the user has committed an offence so he is liable to be punished so he is under the watched list to be punished. Either plagiarism or spamming. That is how I understand it.
It is a warning sign for the user that he should not do it again and if he continues, then he will be punished for the offense but if he didn't again and beg then second chance is given.
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If a user does not improve the quality of their posts, or continues to post spam (for example) they will receive another warning, if they reach a total of 3 warnings, they will receive a badge with the first strike.
What if a user stops posting until the tag wears off after some days (short break) and start shitposting again! He can just repeat this process again and again, until a mod gives him an actual tag (permanent one). This way he can increase his activity and post count without having a badge! He isn't changing his past behavior.
Just a curious question.. :)
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This signifies that an a user account is under a watch, we have to get used to this, because there are some users we may not have to trust their judgement, posts, or even contents, when you see a user like that, we have to be more careful about them because there is something under surveillance concerning them, its something also not so common, we may only see such as on an occasional base.
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What if a user stops posting until the tag wears off after some days (short break) and start shitposting again! He can just repeat this process again and again, until a mod gives him an actual tag (permanent one). This way he can increase his activity and post count without having a badge! He isn't changing his past behavior.
Just a curious question.. :)
That's a good question. It doesn't really matter if the user waits a reasonable amount of time until these warnings are automatically disabled. Warnings are cumulative and each user has a log where all this information is saved. When 3 warnings are reached, the user receives a badge (shiller, low quality post...) given by the moderators, and that badge is not automatically deactivated. by the system, it is permanent in most cases, and only the administrator and moderators could remove that badge.
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I saw Watched at the bottom of an account in the forum and was not really convenient with it, so I made a search in the forum to get it's meaning, which I found herein this link (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=19690.0)
A question came to my mind having read the response of dragoncrypto, which said does he have a negative karma?
My question is, what if the forum member does not have a negative karma?
Negative karma means mods are giving the spammer negative karma and even I have seen many members have the watched option and they have -1 karma but do not know why giving negative karma is necassary unless the member being watched is not spamming anymore but most of the spammer don't care and they spam everyone.
-1 Karma can also give heads up to every member to stay away from him in making any trades. There are some member who have watched badge but they don't have -1 karma maybe because they are just being watched and they are not spamming high so they are given relaxation until they spam again.
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Negative karma means mods are giving the spammer negative karma and even I have seen many members have the watched option and they have -1 karma but do not know why giving negative karma is necassary unless the member being watched is not spamming anymore but most of the spammer don't care and they spam everyone.
-1 Karma can also give heads up to every member to stay away from him in making any trades. There are some member who have watched badge but they don't have -1 karma maybe because they are just being watched and they are not spamming high so they are given relaxation until they spam again.
Negative Karma is generally not used by moderators (only rarely), negative Karma is more used by users who have no other tools, they only use Karma and report users/posts. On the other hand, moderators do have other tools, such as monitoring (Watched) a user for a certain period of time, in order to monitor the next steps of the user who violates the forum rules.
In response to the second paragraph of your post, there are users who have badges but do not have negative Karma because of what I have explained before, moderators do not usually use negative Karma for that, they simply give the badge that is necessary for that case.
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Negative Karma is generally not used by moderators (only rarely), negative Karma is more used by users who have no other tools, they only use Karma and report users/posts. On the other hand, moderators do have other tools, such as monitoring (Watched) a user for a certain period of time, in order to monitor the next steps of the user who violates the forum rules.
In response to the second paragraph of your post, there are users who have badges but do not have negative Karma because of what I have explained before, moderators do not usually use negative Karma for that, they simply give the badge that is necessary for that case.
These tools would be very helpful for you? Other than badges if allowed what other tools moderators are provided with. I thought he was given negative karma is from moderators because most of them have only 1 negative karma.
They don't even have 2 negative karma so I took it as a symbol and when whenever I saw a memebr with -1 karma I think he must have done something wrong like spam etc. I must change my judgement.
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Negative Karma is generally not used by moderators (only rarely), negative Karma is more used by users who have no other tools, they only use Karma and report users/posts. On the other hand, moderators do have other tools, such as monitoring (Watched) a user for a certain period of time, in order to monitor the next steps of the user who violates the forum rules.
In response to the second paragraph of your post, there are users who have badges but do not have negative Karma because of what I have explained before, moderators do not usually use negative Karma for that, they simply give the badge that is necessary for that case.
These tools would be very helpful for you? Other than badges if allowed what other tools moderators are provided with. I thought he was given negative karma is from moderators because most of them have only 1 negative karma.
It might of been to be honest. Unlike freemind, as well as other mods, personally I distribute a reasonable amount of negative karma to shills, plagiarists, spammers, shitposters, and the like (shock horror) when punishing users. Granted it is somewhat irrelevant if you're dishing out a shill or AI badge, but for me it's just been a habit for a long time prior to having these badges (before we just had moderation groups mainly, so seemed more relevant). I don't think it's right or wrong to distribute -karma either, that's up to the user to decide, and for mods to determine whether useful or not.
They don't even have 2 negative karma so I took it as a symbol and when whenever I saw a memebr with -1 karma I think he must have done something wrong like spam etc. I must change my judgement.
Freemind is right that the -karma could have come from anyone, as any Snr+ member is eligible to distribute.
It didn't necessarily come from a mod either, could have been d team or otherwise.
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These tools would be very helpful for you? Other than badges if allowed what other tools moderators are provided with. I thought he was given negative karma is from moderators because most of them have only 1 negative karma.
They don't even have 2 negative karma so I took it as a symbol and when whenever I saw a memebr with -1 karma I think he must have done something wrong like spam etc. I must change my judgement.
The moderators' tools are always useful, although from time to time some things are missing, but that always has to do with the features of the forum, nothing more. For example, deleting several posts (with two clicks) from a user who posts a lot of spam would save us time, but it can be done in other ways to solve it.
When a user receives negative Karma, it does not necessarily have to be due to spam. It could be that another user disagrees with what is said in a post, that a news story is distorted, or that someone is blatantly lying. There are many reasons why we can receive negative Karma. But don't think about it too much, earning Karma is not difficult.
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At the bottom? I have not seen it at the bottom but at the bottom of the user profile name and not the bottom of the account. If it at the bottom of the account then I don't know what it means but if it is at the bottom of the username of the account then it is under surveillance. It is a warning that if she does any further misconduct then he will be knock out from the forum or a punishment will be given to him.
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At the bottom? I have not seen it at the bottom but at the bottom of the user profile name and not the bottom of the account. If it at the bottom of the account then I don't know what it means but if it is at the bottom of the username of the account then it is under surveillance. It is a warning that if she does any further misconduct then he will be knock out from the forum or a punishment will be given to him.
This is an example of a watched user (see the Watched in green). This is also intended to determine how long 20% watch level exists for, as can never remember.
Please don't give me negative karma though because I'm a clone, my purpose is good and I have only received a warning in order to try and better educate users in this topic :)
As a disclaimer, I am otherwise controlled by dragononcrypto, and my activity here is limited apart from shilling for clone clan in order to recruit more members.
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What if a user stops posting until the tag wears off after some days (short break) and start shitposting again! He can just repeat this process again and again, until a mod gives him an actual tag (permanent one). This way he can increase his activity and post count without having a badge! He isn't changing his past behavior.
Just a curious question.. :)
That's a good question. It doesn't really matter if the user waits a reasonable amount of time until these warnings are automatically disabled. Warnings are cumulative and each user has a log where all this information is saved. When 3 warnings are reached, the user receives a badge (shiller, low quality post...) given by the moderators, and that badge is not automatically deactivated. by the system, it is permanent in most cases, and only the administrator and moderators could remove that badge.
How about a situation where the user having received any of the poor posting tag, and took a break (be it long or short) and returns, with post more of quality than before. Or received a permanent tag, and later made tremendous improvements on his post quality, will the permanent tag be withdrawn or will need to make some appeals before it can be removed.
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How about a situation where the user having received any of the poor posting tag, and took a break (be it long or short) and returns, with post more of quality than before. Or received a permanent tag, and later made tremendous improvements on his post quality, will the permanent tag be withdrawn or will need to make some appeals before it can be removed.
AFAIK, some kind of appeals or PM should be made, in order to remove the badge! Like he said, "that badge is not automatically deactivated."
On the other hand, I bet the chances of accepting the appeal is quite high, if the tagged used showed promising results in post quality! Considering the forum admin and moderators are very active and friendly!
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How about a situation where the user having received any of the poor posting tag, and took a break (be it long or short) and returns, with post more of quality than before. Or received a permanent tag, and later made tremendous improvements on his post quality, will the permanent tag be withdrawn or will need to make some appeals before it can be removed.
AFAIK, some kind of appeals or PM should be made, in order to remove the badge! Like he said, "that badge is not automatically deactivated."
On the other hand, I bet the chances of accepting the appeal is quite high, if the tagged used showed promising results in post quality! Considering the forum admin and moderators are very active and friendly!
Appeals of such kind should be made to the forum court. It's very unlikely PM to a global mod is going to work, unless an obvious error has been made:
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=154.0
And yes the bar is quite high, but the cost is relatively low for cases of paying to have strikes and certain tags removed:
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=182908.0
As for cases with shills and AI, those cases have yet to be testing in the court for a precedent to be set by judges as far as I know.
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Many people have given you so many answers but let me add mine. From various observation and seeing it from people profiles, whenever I see "Watched" in someone's profile, it means the user has committed an offence so he is liable to be punished so he is under the watched list to be punished. Either plagiarism or spamming. That is how I understand it.
It is a warning sign for the user that he should not do it again and if he continues, then he will be punished for the offense but if he didn't again and beg then second chance is given.
In those people there were moderators and they made things clear, and one of those things was the members don't have to beg, they just have to stop making the mistake or spam they are warned about and if they get 3 warnings they will be given this temporary badge, and still if they don't stop the percentage of spam increases and the badge becomes permanent.
This also means being watched is not bad, and the best we can do is to not make any financial trades with that member until he/she works on the badge.
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In those people there were moderators and they made things clear, and one of those things was the members don't have to beg, they just have to stop making the mistake or spam they are warned about and if they get 3 warnings they will be given this temporary badge, and still if they don't stop the percentage of spam increases and the badge becomes permanent.
nothing about being given a warning is personal so they should stop acting like it could be solved by appealing to the personal feelings of moderators you are given a warning or a punishment because of your behavior in the forum so maybe just focus on what you did wrong and learn not to do it again you will not be in that position if you did not violate any preexisting rule anyway so at the end of the day you can blame no one but yourself so make yourself a favor and do not further embarrass yourself
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Like the account is under surveillance? That once that user do it again (spam posting, low quality, karma abuse, etc) the account will be demoted or will be given negative karma, or maybe banned. Sounds something like that.
You actually do have a point when I first saw this particular post first stuff that popped up in my mind us exactly what you just said because aside from breaking any rules on the forum I actually can't find anymore reason why you would be watched.
Nevertheless this is actually the first time I'm coming across this kind of tag on a profile. I've seen others like AI detected and it's easy to confirm that since users with that tag mostly have generic posts.
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I've seen others like AI detected and it's easy to confirm that since users with that tag mostly have generic posts.
There are probably lots of badges, group members and other "profile decorations" that still exist that some users might have pnever seen before lol. The forum has wide range of these kind of things. Because there is no particular updated thread that explains all of this. :-\
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There are probably lots of badges, group members and other "profile decorations" that still exist that some users might have pnever seen before lol. The forum has wide range of these kind of things. Because there is no particular updated thread that explains all of this. :-\
You're right, there are many different groups and badges. The difference is that some "negative" groups and badges are only accessible to moderators, since it contains information that cannot be displayed publicly. On the other hand, the decoration, as you say, can be completely seen by users.
I don't know if you already seen it (in any case, other users will be able to see it) but here is the Master Badge List (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=badgeawards;sa=masterlist).
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There are probably lots of badges, group members and other "profile decorations" that still exist that some users might have pnever seen before lol. The forum has wide range of these kind of things. Because there is no particular updated thread that explains all of this. :-\
Yeah you are actually very correct. The from has a lot of custom badges ranks and other profile tags too that are not all put in a particular thread. So far I think one of the most common tag is the teleported and that is actually because most of the members that are very much active here teleported from bitcoin talk and so they all understand what tag means.
To an extent I think the reason why most of these tags, ranks and even custom titles don't have a particular thread that contain all of them is because they were not all created at the same time it's more like admin creates them or implements them at intervals and sometimes probably skip creating a thread for them.
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.. The difference is that some "negative" groups and badges are only accessible to moderators, since it contains information that cannot be displayed publicly.
That's totally make sense. But can you tell if these badges/warnings displays only in the profile page or somewhere under the username, or you were just provided list of users like a table on an exclusive mod page.
I don't know if you already seen it (in any case, other users will be able to see it) but here is the Master Badge List (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=badgeawards;sa=masterlist).
I saw this already since this is available i guess somewhere in profile page. What i mean is the full list of all this badges, group members in one thread describing/explaining its purpose.
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That's totally make sense. But can you tell if these badges/warnings displays only in the profile page or somewhere under the username, or you were just provided list of users like a table on an exclusive mod page.
Moderators have lists of all badges and groups on the forum, depending on the category of each moderator, they have access to some options and in the case of global moderators they have access to almost all available options.
I saw this already since this is available i guess somewhere in profile page. What i mean is the full list of all this badges, group members in one thread describing/explaining its purpose.
Correct, there are several lists with all the badges and groups of the forum with explanatory notes for each case and a brief guide on how they should be used. But as I said, that information cannot be made public.
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There are probably lots of badges, group members and other "profile decorations" that still exist that some users might have pnever seen before lol. The forum has wide range of these kind of things. Because there is no particular updated thread that explains all of this. :-\
Yeah you are actually very correct. The from has a lot of custom badges ranks and other profile tags too that are not all put in a particular thread. So far I think one of the most common tag is the teleported and that is actually because most of the members that are very much active here teleported from bitcoin talk and so they all understand what tag means.
To an extent I think the reason why most of these tags, ranks and even custom titles don't have a particular thread that contain all of them is because they were not all created at the same time it's more like admin creates them or implements them at intervals and sometimes probably skip creating a thread for them.
I'm crying, do my efforts simply go to waste when I update, create and pin these threads?
Ranks & membergroups: https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=14162.0
"Bad" groups (linked at bottom of above topic): https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=180760.0
Those are all the membership groups, those that are in use anyway. I'm surprised you haven't seen these topics already to be honest.
There was also previously "Gangs of AltcoinsTalks and their rankings (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=184767.0)" pinned in beginners, but I haven't updated it properly in years.
What i mean is the full list of all this badges, group members in one thread describing/explaining its purpose.
The reason there is simply a list of badges, and otherwise topics for membership groups, is because the two are completely different systems. Badges is automated based on stats, and also self-explanatory based on the title of each badge. Membership groups are maintained by admins and mods, as part of a moderation system.
The confusing aspect is that membership groups have "badges", but these are not the same as the badges referenced in master list.
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Frankly speaking if I wasn't restricted to giving out just a single karma I would have probably given out more than one probably more than 5. Anyways that being said thanks for those posts I had to go through most of them to see the explanations .
Nevertheless the number of membership groups and badges on the forum are quite much and probably that's why people here do lose count of them hence the questions anyways with time more members will get used to them especially as more people attain those ranks since you seldom come across users carrying the highest ranks.
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I'm crying, do my efforts simply go to waste when I update, create and pin these threads?
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I feel your pain. I occasionally post new translations in my local section, update my translations portfolio when ever new topic is posted, and bump it but nobody even comments anything as a sign of appreciations.
Anyway, coming back to reality, I have seen, read and went through all the topics you mentioned, in the past, many times but for some strange reasons I can never remember where these pinned posts were located. That's why whenever I needed to check these posts, for example, how much activity is required to promote myself to legendary rank, I just randomly surf through different boards and look for it (most probably forum related board). I know it may seem a little stupid or funny to everyone but that's the truth.
P.s: I admit, I'm bad at remembering things. Lol :)
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That's why whenever I needed to check these posts, for example, how much activity is required to promote myself to legendary rank, I just randomly surf through different boards and look for it (most probably forum related board). I know it may seem a little stupid or funny to everyone but that's the truth.
I can never remember where any of the pinned topics are to be honest, I just google them or hope that they appear as suggested in my search bar ;)
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That's why whenever I needed to check these posts, for example, how much activity is required to promote myself to legendary rank, I just randomly surf through different boards and look for it (most probably forum related board). I know it may seem a little stupid or funny to everyone but that's the truth.
I can never remember where any of the pinned topics are to be honest, I just google them or hope that they appear as suggested in my search bar ;)
If a reputable member like you having difficulties remembering things like that, someone who has been part of this forum for a long time, someone who holds a lot of titles, it is only logical to think that users like us, users who just teleported a year ago cannot remember where these posts are located, Lol....(being sarcastic) :P ;D
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In a word, old age) But it's a joke, because everyone has his own problems and his head is full of other thoughts.