| Rank | Activity | Karma | A:K Ratio | Remaining | Current | Demoted | % Demoted | Demoted To | New Total | % Change |
| Jnr. Member | 46 | 0 | - | 683 | 784 | 101 | 13% | 531 | 1214 | +55% |
| Member | 90 | 1 | 90 | 222 | 447 | 225 | 50% | 773 | 995 | +123% |
| Full Member | 136 | 10 | 13.6 | 137 | 790 | 653 | 83% | 188 | 325 | -59% |
| Sr. Member | 312 | 25 | 12.5 | 117 | 558 | 441 | 79% | 88 | 205 | -63% |
| Hero Member | 700 | 50 | 14 | 63 | 314 | 251 | 80% | 62 | 125 | -60% |
| Legendary | 1200 | 100 | 12 | 170 | 375 | 205 | 55% | 0 | 170 | -55% |
| Mythical | 5000 | 250 | 20 | 8 | 8 | 0 | 0% | 0 | 8 | 0% |
| Padawan | 10000 | 500 | 20 | 5 | 5 | 0 | 0% | 0 | 5 | 0% |
| Jedi | 15000 | 750 | 20 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0% | 0 | 1 | 0% |
| Jedi Master | 20000 | 1000 | 20 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0% | 0 | 0 | 0% |
| Sub-Total | 502 | 2051 | 1549 | 76% (Excluding Jnr / Members) | ||||||
| Sub-Total | 724 | 2498 | 1774 | 71% (Excluding Jnrs) | ||||||
| Total | 1407 | 3282 | 1875 | 57% (Total demotions) |
What does everyone think about the possibility of (I repeat, if this idea advances), implementing it from a certain date?.
If this karma requirement for ranking is similar to merit system on BTT, then how giving "-karma would" would impact on current rank? Once rank is reached, if a person starts getting "-karma" and his karma decreases, will he lose ranks as well? It can start rank wars. Also users karma should be transparent to everything then, to prevent karma farmers, to so that users can notice cheaters, and not put all that load on the shoulders of admins or mods (I suppose they have option to see more info about users karma change).
@Freemind, @Jokers, I hear you. I had thought before posting this that non-retrospective requirements was probably the only form of proposal that would actually be possible to adopt (based on admin's opinion as well). I think for now if this proposal as it is continues to gain support, then it is a strong enough indicator that non-retrospective requirements would also be supported (even if not as much support for that).
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If this karma requirement for ranking is similar to merit system on BTT, then how giving "-karma would" would impact on current rank? Once rank is reached, if a person starts getting "-karma" and his karma decreases, will he lose ranks as well? It can start rank wars. Also users karma should be transparent to everything then, to prevent karma farmers, to so that users can notice cheaters, and not put all that load on the shoulders of admins or mods (I suppose they have option to see more info about users karma change).
If this karma requirement for ranking is similar to merit system on BTT, then how giving "-karma would" would impact on current rank? Once rank is reached, if a person starts getting "-karma" and his karma decreases, will he lose ranks as well? It can start rank wars. Also users karma should be transparent to everything then, to prevent karma farmers, to so that users can notice cheaters, and not put all that load on the shoulders of admins or mods (I suppose they have option to see more info about users karma change).
The current ranks of users would not be affected, since as we have said, this proposal (if accepted by the administrator) would not be retrospective, so it would begin to work from a certain date that is not yet known. From that date on, if a user loses Karma, it would be logical that their rank would be affected.
From that date on, if a user loses Karma, it would be logical that their rank would be affected.
Introducing requirements for ranking is no different than the Merit requirement we are all familiar with elsewhere. We will start seeing abusers as most ranks can send karma just like we see on the other forum. We will see people giving karma for nearly everything to increase their friends or alt accounts.
With just 90k+ members and probably less for those who are actively engaging in this forum, I'd suggest holding off on implementing a karma requirement for now. This feature would probably be useful in the future when this forum is flooded with new users and has gained significant traffic but for now, it might just hinder this forum's growth—just my two cents.I agree with what julerz said, we should consider users who still have a lower ranking like me to stay enthusiastic being active in this forum. If we talk about spammers who often appear, this can be one of the tasks of the moderator to remain active in the forum.
It looks most reasonable: why do we need to demote anyone? No need. If there are low quality posters, there is a corresponding badge. So right, the implementation of new requirements should be done for new rank ups, not retrospectively. If someone got the rank and will misbehave, there are enough negative badges for all of bad actors!
With just 90k+ members and probably less for those who are actively engaging in this forum, I'd suggest holding off on implementing a karma requirement for now. This feature would probably be useful in the future when this forum is flooded with new users and has gained significant traffic but for now, it might just hinder this forum's growth—just my two cents.
I will be happy to see demotions for many members who are currently Legendary+ which means my preference is the Proposal C.
@dragononcrypto, what is the lowest rank who is allowed to vote in this pool?
It seems that users with a lower rank still do not want additional conditions for rank upgrades, although the karma requirements are quite low.
Personally, I think this proposal will not achieve its objectives.
Karma is just one of the requirements to rank up.
For now, I am stuck at legendary and with frozen activity for hidden reasons, nobody knows why (just the admin).
Many people made many speculations for that reason, most of them wrong (like badges, post count, etc...).
Until rules are transparent and redefined, I see no reason to enhance other rules. We have a famous quote for this in portuguese: wiping ice (enxugando gelo)
We've all tried to explain to you that the reason you're frozen at 2000 activities is because you have very little online activity, which is currently only 8 days and 4 hours - and just these days I saw someone unfreeze and move on because they reached 10+ hours of online activity.
A big bunch of votes against the proposal was given at the same time, so I'm not so sure that we have a group of different low rank users and not one farmer that don't want any complications in ranking up of his multiple accounts. ???
Personally, I think this proposal will not achieve its objectives.
Karma is just one of the requirements to rank up.
For now, I am stuck at legendary and with frozen activity for hidden reasons, nobody knows why (just the admin).
Many people made many speculations for that reason, most of them wrong (like badges, post count, etc...).
Until rules are transparent and redefined, I see no reason to enhance other rules. We have a famous quote for this in portuguese: wiping ice (enxugando gelo)
43 hours bitmover, you need 43 more hours.
I refuse to let my computer in this page for this, counting away time ;
I really doubt this is the reason. This is just speculating, or you guys have access to hidden rules, making rankin up less fair
Doubting is good, that makes us think and improve as a species, but thinking that there are hidden reasons why only you do not exceed the level of activity is like trying to stop a train with your hands, it makes no sense...
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=325862.msg1665969#msg1665969
activity freezes till certain none post conditions are fulfilled
i will not go in details what these conditions are, to avoid users cheating
-admin
With just 90k+ members and probably less for those who are actively engaging in this forum, I'd suggest holding off on implementing a karma requirement for now. This feature would probably be useful in the future when this forum is flooded with new users and has gained significant traffic but for now, it might just hinder this forum's growth—just my two cents.This is what I think, that this forum still needs space to develop from newbies, and seeing the forum activity that is not so dense, implementing new rules like this I think is an obstacle for newbies to enter... I agree with @julerz and hope this policy is postponed until at least this forum has too many users...
Personally, I think this proposal will not achieve its objectives.I think you're wrong, because regardless of someone's activity, without enough +karma you can't reach a higher rank - which means you can shitpost as much as you want and you'll still stay at the bottom of the pyramid. Merits on BTT have brought more benefits than harm, right?
Karma is just one of the requirements to rank up.
For now, I am stuck at legendary and with frozen activity for hidden reasons, nobody knows why (just the admin).We've all tried to explain to you that the reason you're frozen at 2000 activities is because you have very little online activity, which is currently only 8 days and 4 hours - and just these days I saw someone unfreeze and move on because they reached 10+ hours of online activity.
Until rules are transparent and redefined, I see no reason to enhance other rules. We have a famous quote for this in portuguese: wiping ice (enxugando gelo)
Só you don't believe that the conditions are hidden?
Will you believe in your ideas or in your eyes?Quotehttps://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=325862.msg1665969#msg1665969
activity freezes till certain none post conditions are fulfilled
i will not go in details what these conditions are, to avoid users cheating
-admin
There are already some software solutions that will refresh specific pages for you every 5 seconds.
43 hours bitmover, you need 43 more hours.
I refuse to let my computer in this page for this, counting away time ;
I really doubt this is the reason. This is just speculating, or you guys have access to hidden rules, making rankin up less fair
I read that post at the time, although it is something I already knew, but I see that you don't want to understand things...
I also told you (I seem to remember it was in the thread you closed) that this requirement was not made "public" to avoid abuse, as the administrator said, and you don't want to see it either...
We have explained several times how the thing works, several users have done it in different ways.
Recently you were talking about a phrase that is said in your country, now I will tell you another phrase that is said in my country: A buen entendedor pocas palabras bastan. (A word to the wise is enough).
You are just contradicting yourself.
IF the condictions "are not made public to avoid abuse", they are hidden. Basic logic. Whatever you next just doesn't make any sense, as you are based on false premises claims that the rules are not hidden.
Until we have clear rules, and rules that makes any logic (better than just keeping the computer open in the same page to rank up), this conversation is basically useless. That is my opinion. Good lucky wiping your ice ;)
We've all tried to explain to you that the reason you're frozen at 2000 activities is because you have very little online activity, which is currently only 8 days and 4 hours - and just these days I saw someone unfreeze and move on because they reached 10+ hours of online activity.Unless you received an admin message, you are just speculating.
Just like you or some other suggested before more posts or more badges or whatever.
And online activity makes zero sense. So if I keep the window open I can just rank up? What an idiot rule lol I refuse to do that
I really doubt this is the reason. This is just speculating, or you guys have access to hidden rules, making rankin up less fairYou think they like me because I have 2260 activity and I dont keep anything open all the time?
bitmover and I joined this forum at about the same time. It's a bit unbelievable to me that I have so much more forum time and obviously activity points.I really doubt this is the reason. This is just speculating, or you guys have access to hidden rules, making rankin up less fairYou think they like me because I have 2260 activity and I dont keep anything open all the time?
bitmover and I joined this forum at about the same time. It's a bit unbelievable to me that I have so much more forum time and obviously activity points.I really doubt this is the reason. This is just speculating, or you guys have access to hidden rules, making rankin up less fairYou think they like me because I have 2260 activity and I dont keep anything open all the time?
By the way, I always have 2-3 tabs open with the altcoinstalks page. I'm not sure if that has anything to do with it.
Good to see someone pointing the obvious.
Someone who is not just saying "you spent very few time here" , or "you lack interaction" , which is clearly false
As I have nearly the same amount of posts and karma of you examplens, more posts and more Karma than Lucius. Something is really wrong. I don't doubt that it is just a bug, or maybe people just let the tab open during a few nights sleeping
Anyway, I don't think the community and staff is willing to solve anything related to this situation. As they are not affected, it is easy for than just to bash around as they are doing.
Are you saying that the rest of us knew what we needed and abused the system? You are already becoming toxic to the entire forum with statements like these.
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All the relevant forum people tried to help you, but you still refuse to accept any explanation and you still claim that you are the victim of some kind of conspiracy...
I never said anyone abused the system, neither that there is a conspiracy theory.
I just said that there something wrong.As you are not affected, you are just bashing me for no reason. At any moment I said you were toxic, or unreasonable, etc, like you are doing now and for some time.
I can't understand why you are defending this system so much lol clearly unfair and misdesigned for the start. Bashing people who complain about it isn't being balanced is just ridiculous.
Good luck and congrats for your activity and stats. Hug them. I am just pointing out something is wrong with the ranking system
Edit: as examplens said, I really doubt you spent like 3 days more in the forum than me. Probably this time is beign blocked by adblock, or mobile phone, etc... something wrong. I dont really think you type so slow lol
First you claim that you have more karma than me, and now that I only spent three more days than you on the forum in total, while on the other hand I have 19+ days of online activity.
Thanks for the negative karma, with all your titles on the forum, you don't know that disagreeing with someone's opinion is not a reason to give negative karma. Now you can go to BTT and remove me from your trust list (if you haven't already).
Now to address the issue:
Are all factors that lead to rank upgrade known : No, and so what? Why should they all be known ?
it's like open source and closed source software, if open source is not well maintained, it will cause more breaches.
First you claim that you have more karma than me, and now that I only spent three more days than you on the forum in total, while on the other hand I have 19+ days of online activity.
Thanks for the negative karma, with all your titles on the forum, you don't know that disagreeing with someone's opinion is not a reason to give negative karma. Now you can go to BTT and remove me from your trust list (if you haven't already).
What a big drama.
Negative karma for cursing , because you are rude when can't argue.
bitmover and I joined this forum at about the same time. It's a bit unbelievable to me that I have so much more forum time and obviously activity points.
So online activity might not even be the reason lol
I find the whole thing quite amusing. :DSo online activity might not even be the reason lol
lol?. The only thing you can think of to say is lol?... The worst thing about all this is that you have not understood anything, even if we had told you with giant posters, you would not have wanted to understand it.
I find the whole thing quite amusing. :DSo online activity might not even be the reason lol
lol?. The only thing you can think of to say is lol?... The worst thing about all this is that you have not understood anything, even if we had told you with giant posters, you would not have wanted to understand it.
I need to push the activity a bit these days, to reach the number from 3000 while bitmover is still at 2000. I hope that the admin will not change his username to nonmover due to this non-movement of activity points.
I find the whole thing quite amusing. :D
I need to push the activity a bit these days, to reach the number from 3000 while bitmover is still at 2000. I hope that the admin will not change his username to nonmover due to this non-movement of activity points.
Total Time Spent Online: 18 days, 0 minutes.
Total Time Spent Online: 8 days, 10 hours and 2 minutes.
Some people think they know more than the admin.
He said dozens of times that the reason is hidden, he never said it was online time.
About that, it is very unlikely that users with similar posts/karma/joining dates have so different online time.
It is much more likely that I am using an adblock or some browser or configuration that is blocking my time count. Which is not something anyone else other than me or examplens is worried about or willing to investigate, as they are not affected
Your statistics:Code: [Select]Total Time Spent Online: 18 days, 0 minutes.
bitmover statistics:Code: [Select]Total Time Spent Online: 8 days, 10 hours and 2 minutes.
I think there is no need to say anything more about it. The numbers speak for themselves.
I assure you that it is not necessary to know more than the admin, it is enough to know the same as him,Which i don't believe you do. If you do, please share your sources.
But I told you (I remind you that the same thing happened to me) and Lucius told you too.I don't have to agree with what you say, without proper authority/argument.
What doesn't make sense is... this system is shit, are they punishing me or Freemind is a tyrant and everyone is against me...Those are your words.
~snip~
Whether you believe me or not is something that doesn't matter to me at the moment you say that this is a punishment or that the system is shit, therefore, and as I already told you once, it is your problem.
This wouldn't even matter if such stats weren't important to rank up.The discussion caused by the issue of frozen activity could easily be ended if all the ranking conditions on the forum were clearly set somewhere. Without any secret and unspecified conditions.
Anyway, I still doubt that this is important to rank up, as there is no such proof so far. Maybe admin told you because you are a President, in which case you should have said.