Proposal: Karma requirements for ranks

[bitmover]

Doubting is good, that makes us think and improve as a species, but thinking that there are hidden reasons why only you do not exceed the level of activity is like trying to stop a train with your hands, it makes no sense...

Só you don't believe that the conditions are hidden?

Will you believe in your ideas or in your eyes?

https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=325862.msg1665969#msg1665969
activity freezes till certain none post conditions are fulfilled
i will not go in details what these conditions are, to avoid users cheating
-admin

[bayu7adi]

With just 90k+ members and probably less for those who are actively engaging in this forum, I'd suggest holding off on implementing a karma requirement for now. This feature would probably be useful in the future when this forum is flooded with new users and has gained significant traffic but for now, it might just hinder this forum's growth—just my two cents.

This is what I think, that this forum still needs space to develop from newbies, and seeing the forum activity that is not so dense, implementing new rules like this I think is an obstacle for newbies to enter... I agree with @julerz and hope this policy is postponed until at least this forum has too many users...

give some space for users to want to stay, and attract new users to be active here, I think that's more important than filtering out the existing ones right now.

[DYING_S0UL]

Personally, I think this proposal will not achieve its objectives.
Karma is just one of the requirements to rank up.

I think you're wrong, because regardless of someone's activity, without enough +karma you can't reach a higher rank - which means you can shitpost as much as you want and you'll still stay at the bottom of the pyramid. Merits on BTT have brought more benefits than harm, right?

The community is still growing and we don't have much activity here like we have at BTT. So, if we implement too many rules too strict rules like the one "demotions", it might hinder the overall development of this forum. I'm ok with the "karma" requirements though, not because I have enough but because I know there are many among us who generously gives out karmas to all those who actually deserves it. The one thing that I can't fully agree with is the demotions of ranks!

Anyway, if you guys say what about signature campaigns then? What will happen to them! I think, "the campaign manager would know who is more deserving". A legendary account with 0 karmas and a legendary account with 100 karmas. Who should be accepted.!

So whether a person ranks up by shitposting or not! A the end of the day, if he wanna join a sig, he must have a certain karma requirements! So he must improve even if he doesn't. And if he keeps shitposting, he'll caught up eventually as we have other rules regarding this - low quality, shitposter, ai poster, shillers and so on.

"My personal point of view, of course!"

For now, I am stuck at legendary and with frozen activity for hidden reasons, nobody knows why (just the admin).
Until rules are transparent and redefined, I see no reason to enhance other rules. We have a famous quote for this in portuguese: wiping ice (enxugando gelo)

We've all tried to explain to you that the reason you're frozen at 2000 activities is because you have very little online activity, which is currently only 8 days and 4 hours - and just these days I saw someone unfreeze and move on because they reached 10+ hours of online activity.

Lol, you are still at 2000! I might as well create a thread like "100 push challenge per day until bitmover crosses 2k" or you can. 

[Freemind]

Só you don't believe that the conditions are hidden?

Will you believe in your ideas or in your eyes?

https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=325862.msg1665969#msg1665969
activity freezes till certain none post conditions are fulfilled
i will not go in details what these conditions are, to avoid users cheating
-admin

I read that post at the time, although it is something I already knew, but I see that you don't want to understand things...

I also told you (I seem to remember it was in the thread you closed) that this requirement was not made "public" to avoid abuse, as the administrator said, and you don't want to see it either...

We have explained several times how the thing works, several users have done it in different ways.

Recently you were talking about a phrase that is said in your country, now I will tell you another phrase that is said in my country: A buen entendedor pocas palabras bastan. (A word to the wise is enough).

[examplens]

43 hours bitmover, you need 43 more hours.

I refuse to let my computer in this page for this, counting away time  ;

I really doubt this is the reason. This is just speculating,  or you guys have access to hidden rules, making rankin up less fair

There are already some software solutions that will refresh specific pages for you every 5 seconds.
I know it's not a solution, but I'm just saying.

[bitmover]

I read that post at the time, although it is something I already knew, but I see that you don't want to understand things...

I also told you (I seem to remember it was in the thread you closed) that this requirement was not made "public" to avoid abuse, as the administrator said, and you don't want to see it either...

We have explained several times how the thing works, several users have done it in different ways.

Recently you were talking about a phrase that is said in your country, now I will tell you another phrase that is said in my country: A buen entendedor pocas palabras bastan. (A word to the wise is enough).

You are just contradicting yourself.
IF the condictions  "are not made public to avoid abuse", they are hidden. Basic logic. Whatever you next just doesn't make any sense, as you are based on false premises claims that the rules are not hidden.

Until we have clear rules, and rules that makes any logic (better than just keeping the computer open in the same page to rank up), this conversation is basically useless. That is my opinion. Good lucky wiping your ice

[Freemind]

You are just contradicting yourself.
IF the condictions  "are not made public to avoid abuse", they are hidden. Basic logic. Whatever you next just doesn't make any sense, as you are based on false premises claims that the rules are not hidden.

Until we have clear rules, and rules that makes any logic (better than just keeping the computer open in the same page to rank up), this conversation is basically useless. That is my opinion. Good lucky wiping your ice

What doesn't make sense is that only one user (you) complains about something that everyone else understands, alluding to punishments or dark conspiracies.

When many users have given you clues so that you knew what the requirement was, you have continued without realizing it. Just because you lack hours of activity doesn't mean that no one is forcing you to leave your computer on, that doesn't make sense either, but you don't want to understand it either. Activity means interaction, not leaving a computer on.

You can continue talking about the rules if you want, the rules will remain the same and will still be executed in the same way for all users.

[Lucius]

We've all tried to explain to you that the reason you're frozen at 2000 activities is because you have very little online activity, which is currently only 8 days and 4 hours - and just these days I saw someone unfreeze and move on because they reached 10+ hours of online activity.

Unless you received an admin message, you are just speculating.
Just like you or some other suggested before more posts or more badges or whatever.

I didn't receive a message from the admin or anyone else, I just came to a conclusion based on reviewing many profiles that were frozen at 2000 activities and the moment they were "unfrozen". Everyone had in common what you are currently missing.

And online activity makes zero sense. So if I keep the window open I can just rank up? What an idiot rule lol I refuse to do that

It makes sense to me, because if someone spends 30 minutes on the forum every day as opposed to someone who spends 3 hours, why would both of them be in the same situation in this particular case? In other words, the forum decided that those who have more online activity do not experience "freezing" (as was the case with me), and to encourage members like you to spend more time on the forum (actively, of course).

It may sound unfair to you that it's not explicitly stated anywhere - but there have been several threads about it since I joined the forum and some kind of secret formula was always mentioned.

Besides, the fact that you're stuck at 2000 activities means absolutely nothing, you haven't lost your place in the sig campaign, no one considers you a less valuable member or anything like that. Maybe someone else will reach the next rank before you, or maybe they will become inactive and you will overtake them.

[dkbit98]

I really doubt this is the reason. This is just speculating,  or you guys have access to hidden rules, making rankin up less fair

You think they like me because I have 2260 activity and I dont keep anything open all the time?

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I really doubt this is the reason. This is just speculating,  or you guys have access to hidden rules, making rankin up less fair

You think they like me because I have 2260 activity and I dont keep anything open all the time?

bitmover and I joined this forum at about the same time. It's a bit unbelievable to me that I have so much more forum time and obviously activity points.
By the way, I always have 2-3 tabs open with the altcoinstalks page. I'm not sure if that has anything to do with it.

[bitmover]

I really doubt this is the reason. This is just speculating,  or you guys have access to hidden rules, making rankin up less fair

You think they like me because I have 2260 activity and I dont keep anything open all the time?

bitmover and I joined this forum at about the same time. It's a bit unbelievable to me that I have so much more forum time and obviously activity points.
By the way, I always have 2-3 tabs open with the altcoinstalks page. I'm not sure if that has anything to do with it.

Good to see someone pointing the obvious.

Someone who is not just saying "you spent very few time here" , or "you lack interaction" , which is clearly false

As I have nearly the same amount of posts and karma of you examplens, more posts and more Karma than Lucius. Something is really wrong. I don't doubt that it is just a bug, or maybe people just let the tab open during a few nights sleeping

Anyway, I don't think the community and staff is willing to solve anything related to this situation. As they are not affected, it is easy for than just to bash around as they are doing.

[Lucius]

Good to see someone pointing the obvious.
Someone who is not just saying "you spent very few time here" , or "you lack interaction" , which is clearly false

Until now, I thought you were a reasonable person who is not on this forum just because of mere statistics, but you turned your situation into a conspiracy theory in the sense that someone is deliberately sabotaging you on this forum, which is completely absurd.

As I have nearly the same amount of posts and karma of you examplens, more posts and more Karma than Lucius. Something is really wrong. I don't doubt that it is just a bug, or maybe people just let the tab open during a few nights sleeping

You don't have more karma than me (at this point), even though you have slightly more posts - but your higher number of posts doesn't mean you spent more time on the forum than me. I might spend 15 minutes writing one post, you might manage to write two in that time.

Are you saying that the rest of us knew what we needed and abused the system? You are already becoming toxic to the entire forum with statements like these.

Anyway, I don't think the community and staff is willing to solve anything related to this situation. As they are not affected, it is easy for than just to bash around as they are doing.

All the relevant forum people tried to help you, but you still refuse to accept any explanation and you still claim that you are the victim of some kind of conspiracy...

[bitmover]

Are you saying that the rest of us knew what we needed and abused the system? You are already becoming toxic to the entire forum with statements like these.
...

All the relevant forum people tried to help you, but you still refuse to accept any explanation and you still claim that you are the victim of some kind of conspiracy...

I never said anyone abused the system, neither that there is a conspiracy theory.
I just said that there something wrong.As you are not affected, you are just bashing me for no reason. At any moment I said you were toxic, or unreasonable, etc, like you are doing now and for some time.

I can't understand why you are defending this system so much lol clearly  unfair and misdesigned for the start. Bashing people who complain about it isn't being balanced is just ridiculous.

Good luck and congrats for your activity and stats. Hug them. I am just pointing out something is wrong with the ranking system

Edit: as examplens said, I really doubt you spent like 3 days more in the forum than me. Probably this time is beign blocked by adblock, or mobile phone, etc... something wrong. I dont really think you type so slow lol

[Freemind]

Hello bitmover,

You say something is really wrong.

What is wrong? Do other users spend more time than you on the forum? because that's what they do. That's nothing wrong.

What do the community and staff have to solve? That a user has not yet exceeded the activity limit? Nobody has to fix that, that's how it works.

An unfair and misdesigned system from the beginning?. Why?. You don't exceed 2,000 activity and that's why it's misdesigned?. In the 4 years that I have been on this forum no one has complained, but I have seen users searching for information about how the system works.

Less dramas and trying to understand things, we are not children.

I'm not going to waste time explaining that opening 3 tabs or 60 is useless either.

[Lucius]

I never said anyone abused the system, neither that there is a conspiracy theory.
I just said that there something wrong.As you are not affected, you are just bashing me for no reason. At any moment I said you were toxic, or unreasonable, etc, like you are doing now and for some time.

You are implying all that by your behavior, because you are even misusing this topic for your "case". I'm not writing anything more than what the admin and President have already written to you, but we all obviously represent a big nothing to you, because our opinion means nothing to you.

I can't understand why you are defending this system so much lol clearly  unfair and misdesigned for the start. Bashing people who complain about it isn't being balanced is just ridiculous.

You're the only one who thinks the forum is broken, no one else is complaining. I've always been completely fair to you, but that doesn't mean I'll be on your side just because you think someone has something against you.

Good luck and congrats for your activity and stats. Hug them. I am just pointing out something is wrong with the ranking system

I didn't receive anything from anyone as a gift, everything I did on this forum was done without any favors. All those statistics aren't that important to me to do something like this.

Edit: as examplens said, I really doubt you spent like 3 days more in the forum than me. Probably this time is beign blocked by adblock, or mobile phone, etc... something wrong. I dont really think you type so slow lol

First you claim that you have more karma than me, and now that I only spent three more days than you on the forum in total, while on the other hand I have 19+ days of online activity.

Thanks for the negative karma, with all your titles on the forum, you don't know that disagreeing with someone's opinion is not a reason to give negative karma. Now you can go to BTT and remove me from your trust list (if you haven't already).

You are definitely the biggest disappointment of the year, and that's all I'll say.