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Crypto Discussion Forum => Cryptocurrency discussions => Topic started by: NotATether on February 02, 2025, 11:37:09 AM
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Ok guys so you know all those fake websites that pop around making people send transactions to the addresses in those sites and then lose their money?
I just thought of a way to stop those kind of things.
First you have to go through every registered domain and see which ones resolved from there you need to see which ones match heuristics that determine if it's one of those "fake websites" or phishing sites or not. Probably using an AI tool.
Then you need to get a database of exploits to use against those websites, hack them, and replace the scammers' address with a brand new address from a wallet you make. It works because most scammers buy very vulnerable site templates.
Then you'd form a company, perhaps in the USA, that specifically is for returning people's lost money. Make partnerships with regulators and all the blockchain investigators including ZachXBT so that victims who ask them for help are put in contact with you.
Then you can refund their stolen crypto like that. Perhaps keep a 5% commission in order to continue to finance scammed funds recovery. The scammers are left out of pocket (because they paid for websites), and will go out of business.
So? What do you guys think? Admitting it's hard, but a determined person can create such a setup.
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So? What do you guys think? Admitting it's hard, but a determined person can create such a setup.
I think this required someone that has technical knowledge to be able to run this or does it mean we can hire someone to run this set up for us? like I know, this is could be very hard for me to run it up, and of course any determined person who has technical knowledge can actually run it.
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Ok guys so you know all those fake websites that pop around making people send transactions to the addresses in those sites and then lose their money?
I just thought of a way to stop those kind of things.
First you have to go through every registered domain and see which ones resolved from there you need to see which ones match heuristics that determine if it's one of those "fake websites" or phishing sites or not. Probably using an AI tool.
Then you need to get a database of exploits to use against those websites, hack them, and replace the scammers' address with a brand new address from a wallet you make. It works because most scammers buy very vulnerable site templates.
Then you'd form a company, perhaps in the USA, that specifically is for returning people's lost money. Make partnerships with regulators and all the blockchain investigators including ZachXBT so that victims who ask them for help are put in contact with you.
Then you can refund their stolen crypto like that. Perhaps keep a 5% commission in order to continue to finance scammed funds recovery. The scammers are left out of pocket (because they paid for websites), and will go out of business.
So? What do you guys think? Admitting it's hard, but a determined person can create such a setup.
The idea is great only this is not going to make them stop, but it will make them more educated and improve their methods with time, I know most of these phishing sites do not work hard as they buy their templates most of the time copy the real site so it might not be that hard to recognize if they are real or fake so what I do to recognize that, is I use an extension that tells the number of traffic of that site.
If the traffic is not good, I mean under 100k, then I suspect the site and try to double check it to find the official site like galxe, etc.
It is very not hard but few experts to exploits them but how they going to get all of the money back even after hacking them like okay, they get some money back then how they going to refund it back, because the fraud money was big and the refund money was not the same but lesser!
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The idea seems good to me, but what is the guarantee that the idea will not turn into another trap over time?
I mean, if the idea succeeds, what is the guarantee that some scammers who claim to be able to return the stolen money will not do so, and thus the victims will fall victim to other scammers under the pretext of returning their money?
We will enter a maze that is difficult to get out of, but the idea may succeed if the government officially pledges to it so that it is the guarantee.
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I've seen many good ideas that ended up turning into something opposite to what they were planned. Hacking scammer sites would be a good input, but I'm pretty sure it would end up as a version of a double scam, that is, a scammer to be scammed, but without compensating the injured party.
Plus, I don't know how much the authorities will be in favour of these methods. Ultimately, I don't think it's the best idea.
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Maybe we should share this a group of ethical hackers as they are certainly experts on things related to scams and frauds especially in the cryptocurrency era. Now, on a personal level, the best thing to do is to avoid all these scamming sites by making sure you are dealing with the genuine ones. We have to triple check the URLs letter by letter so we can detect red flags. Now, there will always be victims of scams most especially the new entrants to this field and we can help them through education...as long as they know how to take advantage of the search function I think they can easily avoid becoming just another victim statistics.
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So? What do you guys think? Admitting it's hard, but a determined person can create such a setup.
I think this required someone that has technical knowledge to be able to run this or does it mean we can hire someone to run this set up for us? like I know, this is could be very hard for me to run it up, and of course any determined person who has technical knowledge can actually run it.
not only technical knowledge but this will require a heck ton of money you need devices to run this and if you want to start up a company with this concept there will be a lot to do and determination is not enough and honestly speaking even if something like this existed it would not completely erase all kinds of scams in the world there are too many methods and too many vulnerable people who would fall for said methods
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Then you need to get a database of exploits to use against those websites, hack them, and replace the scammers' address with a brand new address from a wallet you make. It works because most scammers buy very vulnerable site templates.
Sorry...Hack it? and change the address used by the fraudster to receive funds to our address? Isn't this dangerous for us, because it could be an indication of cooperation with the fraudster in question that will actually make us involved in the syndicate...
I know the intentions are good, wanting to save the people who were cheated, but why take 5%? Isn't that a bit excessive? In fact, it seems a bit cruel because it's like taking advantage of other people's difficulties to gain profit... I know that it's better to lose 5% than all of it, but on the other hand I feel that this kind of help is a bit contrary to some people's principles.
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So? What do you guys think? Admitting it's hard, but a determined person can create such a setup.
I think this required someone that has technical knowledge to be able to run this or does it mean we can hire someone to run this set up for us? like I know, this is could be very hard for me to run it up, and of course any determined person who has technical knowledge can actually run it.
not only technical knowledge but this will require a heck ton of money you need devices to run this and if you want to start up a company with this concept there will be a lot to do and determination is not enough and honestly speaking even if something like this existed it would not completely erase all kinds of scams in the world there are too many methods and too many vulnerable people who would fall for said methods
This is true mate, if we try to limit that of internet how then do we stop those of physical scam?
As we know it this could take a lot of time to be done and also to eliminate scam entirely is not that possible, scammers has their ways of having someone fall victim and when its known to them that there is a new development against scammers they would definitely think higher and explore different ways to continue their activities.
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Ok guys so you know all those fake websites that pop around making people send transactions to the addresses in those sites and then lose their money?
I just thought of a way to stop those kind of things.
First you have to go through every registered domain and see which ones resolved from there you need to see which ones match heuristics that determine if it's one of those "fake websites" or phishing sites or not. Probably using an AI tool.
Then you need to get a database of exploits to use against those websites, hack them, and replace the scammers' address with a brand new address from a wallet you make. It works because most scammers buy very vulnerable site templates.
Then you'd form a company, perhaps in the USA, that specifically is for returning people's lost money. Make partnerships with regulators and all the blockchain investigators including ZachXBT so that victims who ask them for help are put in contact with you.
Then you can refund their stolen crypto like that. Perhaps keep a 5% commission in order to continue to finance scammed funds recovery. The scammers are left out of pocket (because they paid for websites), and will go out of business.
So? What do you guys think? Admitting it's hard, but a determined person can create such a setup.
It needs knowledge, a simple person that doesn't have enough knowledge will never know scams until they loss their money, that is why even if the experience person always say that we need to be careful but still there are a lot of loser because of scammer. So i think we cannot change the reality we don't have the same education some people are knowledgeable while some are not so there is always a victim of scammers.
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Hmm, I wonder if spending the time and money on education would be better. There will always be a new way for scammers to trick users, and trying to buy every domain and hack their used ones sounds too demanding with little to no guarantee that they won't patch it asap.
If people are aware not to send money to some random websites I'd assume the number of victims will decrease. No need for recovery if no money is lost.
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Busting down the scammers sure sounds good, however - it would need lots of capital and determination, as you said.
Maybe said organization could make other moves, such as just educating people on the side of things, just so that there would be fewer cases to work with.
Other than that - great idea.
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Ok guys so you know all those fake websites that pop around making people send transactions to the addresses in those sites and then lose their money?
I just thought of a way to stop those kind of things.
First you have to go through every registered domain and see which ones resolved from there you need to see which ones match heuristics that determine if it's one of those "fake websites" or phishing sites or not. Probably using an AI tool.
Then you need to get a database of exploits to use against those websites, hack them, and replace the scammers' address with a brand new address from a wallet you make. It works because most scammers buy very vulnerable site templates.
Then you'd form a company, perhaps in the USA, that specifically is for returning people's lost money. Make partnerships with regulators and all the blockchain investigators including ZachXBT so that victims who ask them for help are put in contact with you.
Then you can refund their stolen crypto like that. Perhaps keep a 5% commission in order to continue to finance scammed funds recovery. The scammers are left out of pocket (because they paid for websites), and will go out of business.
So? What do you guys think? Admitting it's hard, but a determined person can create such a setup.
Without backlashing this idea,i think its quite important and thoughtful ghat someone has brought about this issue while trying to provide a solution which is the most important.
Other than that,i think it’s actually a good move but it doesn’t focus on what evolves around this particular plan.By “what evolves” i mean boundaries attached and strings that needs to be pulled to achieve this goals.
Firstly, hacking these sites without unauthorized access or permission from the developers i guess its considered a crime as well.So therefore,those objective can’t be performed individually.Maybe an organization is required,and if possible, hacking these sites won’t be considered important as they have permission from the developers already to execute this missions.
Also while referring to the part where you mentioned about ising 5% to keep as a commision;5% basically is considered truly as an almost exorbitant amount as well as it sounds like leaching on the victims because they are vulnerable in wanting or retrieving back their funds they were scamed of also.
The whole concept is funnily looking like a robinhood setting.
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Hmm, I wonder if spending the time and money on education would be better. There will always be a new way for scammers to trick users, and trying to buy every domain and hack their used ones sounds too demanding with little to no guarantee that they won't patch it asap.
If people are aware not to send money to some random websites I'd assume the number of victims will decrease. No need for recovery if no money is lost.
It would still be pretty costly.
And it's hard to get through in some people's minds that not everything that glitters is gold on a plate.
Alas, it needs to be done, no matter how many times.
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Your ideas are valuable but i think it is possible to get rid of scam or to get a scam money from the law of a country. Suppose if you are a victim of scamming by a different country scammer then how can i get the money back? There are many country do not have crypto legal in so the government of that country may not help you.
The best way is to be aware of ourselves and not to pay money for anyone who believes in this crypto online. Moreover, identifying fraudulent emails, phishing, social engineering, and disguise and protect yourself from everything. Of course avoid activities that are at risk of your funds.
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Your ideas are valuable but i think it is possible to get rid of scam or to get a scam money from the law of a country. Suppose if you are a victim of scamming by a different country scammer then how can i get the money back? There are many country do not have crypto legal in so the government of that country may not help you.
The best way is to be aware of ourselves and not to pay money for anyone who believes in this crypto online. Moreover, identifying fraudulent emails, phishing, social engineering, and disguise and protect yourself from everything. Of course avoid activities that are at risk of your funds.
Being aware is the best thing out there to be done in order to avoid being scammed.
All the rest comes naturally through it. There is no cheese in traps.
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Your ideas are valuable but i think it is possible to get rid of scam or to get a scam money from the law of a country. Suppose if you are a victim of scamming by a different country scammer then how can i get the money back? There are many country do not have crypto legal in so the government of that country may not help you.
The best way is to be aware of ourselves and not to pay money for anyone who believes in this crypto online. Moreover, identifying fraudulent emails, phishing, social engineering, and disguise and protect yourself from everything. Of course avoid activities that are at risk of your funds.
Being aware is the best thing out there to be done in order to avoid being scammed.
All the rest comes naturally through it. There is no cheese in traps.
Most people suffer from scamming in crypto because of greed because scammer gives us greed for many things. Scammer usually follows different ways to give you greed and is significant inside it is done through by twitter, facebook, telegram. Usually those who are new to crypto are more stuck in such traps. However, those who stay in crypto long and have some ideas, then there not victims of scamming.
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Most people suffer from scamming in crypto because of greed because scammer gives us greed for many things. Scammer usually follows different ways to give you greed and is significant inside it is done through by twitter, facebook, telegram. Usually those who are new to crypto are more stuck in such traps. However, those who stay in crypto long and have some ideas, then there not victims of scamming.
Agreed!
There is nothing new to that, because such scams occur daily in any sphere, it's just that the flock of newbies is one of the biggest in the crypto in general. And that's why so many people get into such ordinary traps >:(
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Ok guys so you know all those fake websites that pop around making people send transactions to the addresses in those sites and then lose their money?
I just thought of a way to stop those kind of things.
First you have to go through every registered domain and see which ones resolved from there you need to see which ones match heuristics that determine if it's one of those "fake websites" or phishing sites or not. Probably using an AI tool.
Then you need to get a database of exploits to use against those websites, hack them, and replace the scammers' address with a brand new address from a wallet you make. It works because most scammers buy very vulnerable site templates.
Then you'd form a company, perhaps in the USA, that specifically is for returning people's lost money. Make partnerships with regulators and all the blockchain investigators including ZachXBT so that victims who ask them for help are put in contact with you.
Then you can refund their stolen crypto like that. Perhaps keep a 5% commission in order to continue to finance scammed funds recovery. The scammers are left out of pocket (because they paid for websites), and will go out of business.
So? What do you guys think? Admitting it's hard, but a determined person can create such a setup.
- To be frank, what you are saying op is very technical, which on my part I am not yet familiar with, but I will get it in the end for sure because from what I see,
it is good for the crypto community to do that so that they do not fall victim to scammers.
though as for the other way of scammers, I have an idea at least to avoid their activities in some other way around so that they can fall victim in the end.
But anyway thanks op.
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Like mentioned above it has legal complications depends on where you want to operate, in my country dealing scams with another scam technique is considered as crime too but governments should update their cyber laws that should encourage these kind of acts.
My final question is are we expecting people to have that high moral?
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Ok guys so you know all those fake websites that pop around making people send transactions to the addresses in those sites and then lose their money?
I just thought of a way to stop those kind of things.
First you have to go through every registered domain and see which ones resolved from there you need to see which ones match heuristics that determine if it's one of those "fake websites" or phishing sites or not. Probably using an AI tool.
Then you need to get a database of exploits to use against those websites, hack them, and replace the scammers' address with a brand new address from a wallet you make. It works because most scammers buy very vulnerable site templates.
Then you'd form a company, perhaps in the USA, that specifically is for returning people's lost money. Make partnerships with regulators and all the blockchain investigators including ZachXBT so that victims who ask them for help are put in contact with you.
Then you can refund their stolen crypto like that. Perhaps keep a 5% commission in order to continue to finance scammed funds recovery. The scammers are left out of pocket (because they paid for websites), and will go out of business.
So? What do you guys think? Admitting it's hard, but a determined person can create such a setup.
- To be frank, what you are saying op is very technical, which on my part I am not yet familiar with, but I will get it in the end for sure because from what I see,
it is good for the crypto community to do that so that they do not fall victim to scammers.
though as for the other way of scammers, I have an idea at least to avoid their activities in some other way around so that they can fall victim in the end.
But anyway thanks op.
All of us has our unique way of reacting to the progress in the sphere of the crypto world and that is quite natural. In this kind of environment it is always advisable to be very careful not to be entangled in things that are unbeneficial. This established the framework that every action that shall been taken will be of great value provided that it is well planned and executed. To my delight, it can be stated that there are many things in the world that may appear new but that is not to say that they cannot be learned. This shows that the greater the amount of information available to us then the better shall be our decisions when it comes to the future. Something can be learned from all experiences one obtains from first hand information or that which is relayed to one from other sources. Thus, special attention and constant search for information should be focused to keep security in each of the steps taken in the crypto world.
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Then you need to get a database of exploits to use against those websites, hack them, and replace the scammers' address with a brand new address from a wallet you make. It works because most scammers buy very vulnerable site templates.
This is probably ilegal. And you will become also a criminal in the eyes of the law. Making your situation more complicated. Only government agencies can legally do that to websites.
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Your ideas are valuable but i think it is possible to get rid of scam or to get a scam money from the law of a country. Suppose if you are a victim of scamming by a different country scammer then how can i get the money back? There are many country do not have crypto legal in so the government of that country may not help you.
The best way is to be aware of ourselves and not to pay money for anyone who believes in this crypto online. Moreover, identifying fraudulent emails, phishing, social engineering, and disguise and protect yourself from everything. Of course avoid activities that are at risk of your funds.
Being aware is the best thing out there to be done in order to avoid being scammed.
All the rest comes naturally through it. There is no cheese in traps.
This is the most reasonable thing in my opinion. It will be very difficult for us to stop scams, because of several things:
- It will appear again and again by different scammers
- They may be a very organized unit
- They are usually anonymous and difficult to track
- They are a very professional cyber crimes network, maybe.
At least, when we can't stop the scammers, we must be able to limit ourselves so as not to fall into the scammers' trap. Because even if they act and we are aware and can anticipate the scam, then their efforts will be in vain for us and we can avoid the scam.
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Your ideas are valuable but i think it is possible to get rid of scam or to get a scam money from the law of a country. Suppose if you are a victim of scamming by a different country scammer then how can i get the money back? There are many country do not have crypto legal in so the government of that country may not help you.
The best way is to be aware of ourselves and not to pay money for anyone who believes in this crypto online. Moreover, identifying fraudulent emails, phishing, social engineering, and disguise and protect yourself from everything. Of course avoid activities that are at risk of your funds.
Being aware is the best thing out there to be done in order to avoid being scammed.
All the rest comes naturally through it. There is no cheese in traps.
This is the most reasonable thing in my opinion. It will be very difficult for us to stop scams, because of several things:
- It will appear again and again by different scammers
- They may be a very organized unit
- They are usually anonymous and difficult to track
- They are a very professional cyber crimes network, maybe.
At least, when we can't stop the scammers, we must be able to limit ourselves so as not to fall into the scammers' trap. Because even if they act and we are aware and can anticipate the scam, then their efforts will be in vain for us and we can avoid the scam.
scammers will always be there and we can't stop them. They have a team and always have new tricks to trap their victims. We must be careful and increase our knowledge and experience so as not to become victims of these scammers.
Especially newbies who lack knowledge and experience, will be easy targets for scammers.
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- They are a very professional cyber crimes network, maybe.
That'a true. A case where they made a mistake is rare. Even though chain analysis company collects their addresses for the government, it usually takes very long to return the money to the victims. There's a high chance the government will take their money because it comes from "unknown sources" or something similar. It's safer to assume our money is lost if we fall for scams hence why learning how to spot one is so important.
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Ok guys so you know all those fake websites that pop around making people send transactions to the addresses in those sites and then lose their money?
Phishing can't be a solid link like Bitcointalk.org. you must verify link as solid and verify http. then definitely you can avoid scam and protect yourself from phishing attack.
Phishing attacks are done by making various tempting offers. When someone is greedy and enters those links without verifying them. Then his device, passwords and important documents are taken into their control. so don't get panic for anything first verify validity carefully
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Phishing attacks are done by making various tempting offers. When someone is greedy and enters those links without verifying them. Then his device, passwords and important documents are taken into their control. so don't get panic for anything first verify validity carefully
there doesn't even have to be some crazy offers for someone to click on these links. Sometimes people search for a link that they need and then they are directed to the wrong one. not exactly greed driven because they are just needing to do something but definitely ignorant and foolish to not verify a link especially if they are going to use it for important things
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Phishing can't be a solid link like Bitcointalk.org. you must verify link as solid and verify http. then definitely you can avoid scam and protect yourself from phishing attack.
Phishing attacks are done by making various tempting offers. When someone is greedy and enters those links without verifying them. Then his device, passwords and important documents are taken into their control. so don't get panic for anything first verify validity carefully
Yep. I get lots of mail saying that there is debt I need to repay or that my family is in trouble and I need to click on the link or transfer funds / BTC to them, so the main tool to avoid disaster is just.. stay focused and aware.
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It will not entirely end scams because scammers will always find a way around it. The bad thing about scams is that for people who are not under guard and not properly informed, if they do not fall victim to a particular scam technique, they are still in danger of falling victim to another method because scammers are consistent in attempts and creativity.
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Then you need to get a database of exploits to use against those websites, hack them, and replace the scammers' address with a brand new address from a wallet you make. It works because most scammers buy very vulnerable site templates.
This is probably ilegal. And you will become also a criminal in the eyes of the law. Making your situation more complicated. Only government agencies can legally do that to websites.
Yes, this is quite complicated, if we are not an authorized institution, then it will be considered illegal too. unless we report it to the ebrewang institution and they finally do it. but that is also limited to certain areas in the country only. and this will be more difficult to do. because this happens globally.
the most important thing is to always educate about the dangers of scams and the possibility of scams around us, as much as possible we always emphasize to ourselves about awareness of scams. and if necessary, we inform the closest people about the dangers of scams that are very rampant.
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This is the most reasonable thing in my opinion. It will be very difficult for us to stop scams, because of several things:
- It will appear again and again by different scammers
- They may be a very organized unit
- They are usually anonymous and difficult to track
- They are a very professional cyber crimes network, maybe.
At least, when we can't stop the scammers, we must be able to limit ourselves so as not to fall into the scammers' trap. Because even if they act and we are aware and can anticipate the scam, then their efforts will be in vain for us and we can avoid the scam.
scammers will always be there and we can't stop them. They have a team and always have new tricks to trap their victims. We must be careful and increase our knowledge and experience so as not to become victims of these scammers.
Especially newbies who lack knowledge and experience, will be easy targets for scammers.
Scammers will never end...... ;D
That's why our awareness also never stop there.
- They are a very professional cyber crimes network, maybe.
That'a true. A case where they made a mistake is rare. Even though chain analysis company collects their addresses for the government, it usually takes very long to return the money to the victims. There's a high chance the government will take their money because it comes from "unknown sources" or something similar. It's safer to assume our money is lost if we fall for scams hence why learning how to spot one is so important.
Yes of course, and it is not easy to get it back. Unless it is really wide open and the real identity of the person is known, then maybe it can be overcome. However, how many percent of the number of scams that have occurred? I don't know, what is clear is that it is better for us to avoid scams.
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Busting down the scammers sure sounds good, however - it would need lots of capital and determination, as you said.
Maybe said organization could make other moves, such as just educating people on the side of things, just so that there would be fewer cases to work with.
Other than that - great idea.
And besides the time consumed, capital intensive and determination as you explained, the experiences required to carry out this operation is a bigger challenge. You see, not many people has the experienced to handle this operation, and may you have to hire an expert to do the job with an added expenses.
In addition, educating people could also be a way out to enlighten users about rampaging scammers and fraudulent activities on the crypto community. We are required to be very vigilant at all time.
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Busting down the scammers sure sounds good, however - it would need lots of capital and determination, as you said.
Maybe said organization could make other moves, such as just educating people on the side of things, just so that there would be fewer cases to work with.
Other than that - great idea.
And besides the time consumed, capital intensive and determination as you explained, the experiences required to carry out this operation is a bigger challenge. You see, not many people has the experienced to handle this operation, and may you have to hire an expert to do the job with an added expenses.
In addition, educating people could also be a way out to enlighten users about rampaging scammers and fraudulent activities on the crypto community. We are required to be very vigilant at all time.
Eliminating fraudsters is something that is difficult or even impossible, I prefer to prioritize methods such as education, this is the method that I think is most effective.
If we realize that people who are deceived are people who usually do not know so they are easily manipulated and end up doing anything that they should not do. If they know that it is wrong and will cause harm, then they will not do it.
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Ok guys so you know all those fake websites that pop around making people send transactions to the addresses in those sites and then lose their money?
I just thought of a way to stop those kind of things.
First you have to go through every registered domain and see which ones resolved from there you need to see which ones match heuristics that determine if it's one of those "fake websites" or phishing sites or not. Probably using an AI tool.
Then you need to get a database of exploits to use against those websites, hack them, and replace the scammers' address with a brand new address from a wallet you make. It works because most scammers buy very vulnerable site templates.
Then you'd form a company, perhaps in the USA, that specifically is for returning people's lost money. Make partnerships with regulators and all the blockchain investigators including ZachXBT so that victims who ask them for help are put in contact with you.
Then you can refund their stolen crypto like that. Perhaps keep a 5% commission in order to continue to finance scammed funds recovery. The scammers are left out of pocket (because they paid for websites), and will go out of business.
So? What do you guys think? Admitting it's hard, but a determined person can create such a setup.
This is a quite interesting point of view, just that one must be an expert to be able to handle this situation. Every human has a purpose of doing something, and inviting a third party, who might not have same knowledge or idea, might end up doing the opposite. This will help very well if only an expert or a hacktivist can take this upon himself.
One thing about these scam and phishing sites is that the developers or those behind the idea, will always want to come up with new ideas, so as to keep doing that which they do. The only way out, I will say is to be careful on your personal funds and transactions. It's hard to keep track of scam sites, but being mindful of activities carried out within the site when it comes to funds, will help reduce the risk of losing money.
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Busting down the scammers sure sounds good, however - it would need lots of capital and determination, as you said.
Maybe said organization could make other moves, such as just educating people on the side of things, just so that there would be fewer cases to work with.
Other than that - great idea.
And besides the time consumed, capital intensive and determination as you explained, the experiences required to carry out this operation is a bigger challenge. You see, not many people has the experienced to handle this operation, and may you have to hire an expert to do the job with an added expenses.
In addition, educating people could also be a way out to enlighten users about rampaging scammers and fraudulent activities on the crypto community. We are required to be very vigilant at all time.
Eliminating fraudsters is something that is difficult or even impossible, I prefer to prioritize methods such as education, this is the method that I think is most effective.
If we realize that people who are deceived are people who usually do not know so they are easily manipulated and end up doing anything that they should not do. If they know that it is wrong and will cause harm, then they will not do it.
Educative methods of enlightening the people in the crypto community will be the very best way to reduce the scam victims in the community. On the process of educating people in this crypto community, setting up surveys for them, can also help in some ways. As explained above regarding time consummation, capital intensive and determination can end up to nothing when the people have no idea on how these scammers appear or how they operate.
I will say, the very best way to reduce scam victims is using the educative method, scammers and phishing websites cannot be stopped, rather their harms to the uneducated masses can be reduced in the crypto community.
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These are my thoughts in stopping scams. It always starts with awareness and education. If we are aware of how scams works because we are well educated or we know how things works then they cannot trick us. We should know how to identify people that are red flags like those who giving fake giveaways or phishing attacks. Also we must have strong security measures like 2fa, hardware wallets and verifying sources before we invest to prevent losses. Lastly, if we know they are real scams then we must do actions, report and expose scammers by sharing warning to different social medias or forums or authorities to protect others to become a victim.
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Eliminating fraudsters is something that is difficult or even impossible, I prefer to prioritize methods such as education, this is the method that I think is most effective.
If we realize that people who are deceived are people who usually do not know so they are easily manipulated and end up doing anything that they should not do. If they know that it is wrong and will cause harm, then they will not do it.
The main thing is to stay responsible and aware of the dangers the internet and some places have. That would be 95% resistance to some of the scams out there, as well as to be careful.
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Looks exciting to hack the scammers sites but even if it is for good reason, it might violate cyber security laws in many countries. I think the better approach is to work with blockchain security firms, post awareness in forums like this forum and similar and use AI to detect and report the scammers. The idea of scam recovery firm is solid but quit tricky. hehe ;D
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Then you'd form a company, perhaps in the USA, that specifically is for returning people's lost money. Make partnerships with regulators and all the blockchain investigators including ZachXBT so that victims who ask them for help are put in contact with you.
Scammers are always a step ahead and that's why they keep getting to their victims. Reading this paragraph, I can only think of those scammers who claim to help scam victims recover stolen coins, yet end up taking more money from the victims for jobs they won't deliver. Some prospective scammers would learn new methods from this ;D
@op, your idea is a smart one only for those who understand how to do it. Others who know nothing or very little things about tech will find it difficult putting this your idea into practice. Best they can do for themselves is to confirm links and sites thoroughly before using them. Scammers won't stop, they earning a living from making people cry.
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Your ideas are valuable but i think it is possible to get rid of scam or to get a scam money from the law of a country. Suppose if you are a victim of scamming by a different country scammer then how can i get the money back? There are many country do not have crypto legal in so the government of that country may not help you.
The best way is to be aware of ourselves and not to pay money for anyone who believes in this crypto online. Moreover, identifying fraudulent emails, phishing, social engineering, and disguise and protect yourself from everything. Of course avoid activities that are at risk of your funds.
I think almost all countries do not have rules on how to handle fraud in the crypto world, especially if they are anonymous. However, if there is clear data and the ID is there, we can take care of it. Of course with a long process according to the country.
It's better to be careful, because there are many frauds there with fake IDs so it's hard to detect.
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Preventing fraud is tough but there are steps I can take to stay safer. Stronger ID verification can help block fake accounts and blockchain technology can make transactions more secure. AI can detect suspicious activity early and If I report scams quickly, it can protect others too. The most important thing is education–learning how to spot scams before falling for them. With the right knowledge and tools, I can help make the internet a safer place for everyone.
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Eliminating fraudsters is something that is difficult or even impossible, I prefer to prioritize methods such as education, this is the method that I think is most effective.
If we realize that people who are deceived are people who usually do not know so they are easily manipulated and end up doing anything that they should not do. If they know that it is wrong and will cause harm, then they will not do it.
The main thing is to stay responsible and aware of the dangers the internet and some places have. That would be 95% resistance to some of the scams out there, as well as to be careful.
And that alertness requires a good understanding or knowledge. Because it is impossible for us to be alert if we do not know the basics, we will assume everything is safe.
Now it is actually easier to detect fraudsters, because there are many people who share their experiences of how they ended up getting scammed. And that is very valuable as a lesson for us.
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Then you need to get a database of exploits to use against those websites, hack them, and replace the scammers' address with a brand new address from a wallet you make. It works because most scammers buy very vulnerable site templates.
This is probably ilegal. And you will become also a criminal in the eyes of the law. Making your situation more complicated. Only government agencies can legally do that to websites.
- I didn't think that other communities here could be criminals for doing what op said, though, I agreed with what op did because I thought it could really help.
But not expecting that like you say it's illegal.
Since I'm not a techy person, maybe it's better to be careful and not just do something that could harm us in the future.
But did op mate also think about what you're saying?
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Busting down the scammers sure sounds good, however - it would need lots of capital and determination, as you said.
Maybe said organization could make other moves, such as just educating people on the side of things, just so that there would be fewer cases to work with.
Other than that - great idea.
And besides the time consumed, capital intensive and determination as you explained, the experiences required to carry out this operation is a bigger challenge. You see, not many people has the experienced to handle this operation, and may you have to hire an expert to do the job with an added expenses.
In addition, educating people could also be a way out to enlighten users about rampaging scammers and fraudulent activities on the crypto community. We are required to be very vigilant at all time.
If plan A is difficult then plan B can be used, by disciplining and always providing socialization about new fraud modes in the crypto world, it can also be more efficient in overcoming fraud, and being more self-aware of anything related to money and the links that are spread, this is just my opinion
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Busting down the scammers sure sounds good, however - it would need lots of capital and determination, as you said.
Maybe said organization could make other moves, such as just educating people on the side of things, just so that there would be fewer cases to work with.
Other than that - great idea.
And besides the time consumed, capital intensive and determination as you explained, the experiences required to carry out this operation is a bigger challenge. You see, not many people has the experienced to handle this operation, and may you have to hire an expert to do the job with an added expenses.
In addition, educating people could also be a way out to enlighten users about rampaging scammers and fraudulent activities on the crypto community. We are required to be very vigilant at all time.
If plan A is difficult then plan B can be used, by disciplining and always providing socialization about new fraud modes in the crypto world, it can also be more efficient in overcoming fraud, and being more self-aware of anything related to money and the links that are spread, this is just my opinion
If you are really just that new into this market or whatever things that you would be gonna tending to deal with, then it is always been that advisable that you should really be gonna try out to check various informations and other real time experiences and feedbacks from the community on a certain thing on which if you do have plans on trying out to deal up with something and if its really that too good to be true then its most likely or definitely a scam and this is where you should really be that aking yourself be wary at least because if you've been that making yourself that being impulsive and agreesive towards money making then you will definitely be ending up on getting hooked up with these potential frauds and causes up that huge amount of money to lose.
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Busting down the scammers sure sounds good, however - it would need lots of capital and determination, as you said.
Maybe said organization could make other moves, such as just educating people on the side of things, just so that there would be fewer cases to work with.
Other than that - great idea.
And besides the time consumed, capital intensive and determination as you explained, the experiences required to carry out this operation is a bigger challenge. You see, not many people has the experienced to handle this operation, and may you have to hire an expert to do the job with an added expenses.
In addition, educating people could also be a way out to enlighten users about rampaging scammers and fraudulent activities on the crypto community. We are required to be very vigilant at all time.
If plan A is difficult then plan B can be used, by disciplining and always providing socialization about new fraud modes in the crypto world, it can also be more efficient in overcoming fraud, and being more self-aware of anything related to money and the links that are spread, this is just my opinion
We can have many plans, because we must have a strategy and plan if at any time the crypto market changes not according to plan A.
We can use plan B or other plans adjusted to market conditions.
about fraud, it's good for us to always read experiences and news from friends who share here.
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The idea is actually very good but these hackers are clever once they notice something odd on the system they make they will surely terminate it depending on how they will respond. This idea needs to have a skilled whitehat hacker to do such technical stuff to ensure it's effectiveness. I watched videos doing this kind of stuff on streaming sites and it's quite fun because they are busting scammers and authorities are being notified for the immediate raid. I really like the idea I hope one day we will see it in action.
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The idea is actually very good but these hackers are clever once they notice something odd on the system they make they will surely terminate it depending on how they will respond. This idea needs to have a skilled whitehat hacker to do such technical stuff to ensure it's effectiveness. I watched videos doing this kind of stuff on streaming sites and it's quite fun because they are busting scammers and authorities are being notified for the immediate raid. I really like the idea I hope one day we will see it in action.
Technological advancement is becoming the order of the day, and so there is always the need to warrant the security of any systems. It is quite good to see much creativeness being put in efforts aimed at identifying the possible suspicious activity. Much detail and hard work is required to perform such a thing effectively . Of course, people expect, specific measures that would minimise the risk of cybercrime affecting many individuals. This is especially the case in how something is identified, not to mention the steps that will be taken after that. One must agree that the synergy of creating technology and human expertise can be very potent in making solutions. It is always interesting to see abuses and an opportunity to make them are not taken up or turn out to be half hearted efforts to make a difference.
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The idea is actually very good but these hackers are clever once they notice something odd on the system they make they will surely terminate it depending on how they will respond. This idea needs to have a skilled whitehat hacker to do such technical stuff to ensure it's effectiveness. I watched videos doing this kind of stuff on streaming sites and it's quite fun because they are busting scammers and authorities are being notified for the immediate raid. I really like the idea I hope one day we will see it in action.
Yes, it's true, hackers are very smart, they are very thorough, and their creativity is far superior. Usually they are more sensitive to everything. So, it is not easy to trick them unless we are also the same type of people as them, hackers too. So we can be their opponents. Because so far, there are many hackers who do have their own networks and communities. So they often don't work alone. It just depends on how they can learn some things quickly or slowly to launch their actions.
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I'm not sure, because it's very difficult to do. Stopping fraud will not be easy, Scammers, hackers will always be there and appear from time to time. It really won't be easy to do, the most important thing is that we must maintain and anticipate so that our accounts are safe by providing additional security. and we also have to be careful in every action in this crypto.
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I'm not sure, because it's very difficult to do. Stopping fraud will not be easy, Scammers, hackers will always be there and appear from time to time. It really won't be easy to do, the most important thing is that we must maintain and anticipate so that our accounts are safe by providing additional security. and we also have to be careful in every action in this crypto.
Well, it is undeniable that the crypto world and other technologies have a lot of potential, as well as some threats. Fight against fraud and hacking is not an easy process, but it is the reality that exists in the modern world. Nevertheless, there are certain factors which show that we still retain influence over the enhancement of the protection of our accounts. It is therefore necessary to be more security conscious, for example through allowing fortification on the data and property. It is rather impossible to fight all forms of threats, however, it is rather possible to be very much aware of the threats that are within society and exist in society and learn how to avoid them to make society safer in the long run.
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Ok guys so you know all those fake websites that pop around making people send transactions to the addresses in those sites and then lose their money?
I just thought of a way to stop those kind of things.
First you have to go through every registered domain and see which ones resolved from there you need to see which ones match heuristics that determine if it's one of those "fake websites" or phishing sites or not. Probably using an AI tool.
Then you need to get a database of exploits to use against those websites, hack them, and replace the scammers' address with a brand new address from a wallet you make. It works because most scammers buy very vulnerable site templates.
Then you'd form a company, perhaps in the USA, that specifically is for returning people's lost money. Make partnerships with regulators and all the blockchain investigators including ZachXBT so that victims who ask them for help are put in contact with you.
Then you can refund their stolen crypto like that. Perhaps keep a 5% commission in order to continue to finance scammed funds recovery. The scammers are left out of pocket (because they paid for websites), and will go out of business.
So? What do you guys think? Admitting it's hard, but a determined person can create such a setup.
your are +1 for me for giving this information dude, actually, this is a big deal for the community members here on this forum what you did. Yes, some here know that hackers or scammers are really smart. But even so, we should really be smarter than them.
In fact, this is an additional idea for the skills and knowledge of anyone here, I hope all of us with these concerns you mentioned here will read this op.
This is really a big help.
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I'm not sure, because it's very difficult to do. Stopping fraud will not be easy, Scammers, hackers will always be there and appear from time to time. It really won't be easy to do, the most important thing is that we must maintain and anticipate so that our accounts are safe by providing additional security. and we also have to be careful in every action in this crypto.
scammers and hackers will always be there and the tricks used will always be updated and different from the previous ones, It is true as you said we will have difficulty stopping all that we can do is just keep ourselves from being scammed and our accounts from being hacked. Be careful with our wallets and by taking precautions we can avoid fraud and hacking.
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We can have many plans, because we must have a strategy and plan if at any time the crypto market changes not according to plan A.
We can use plan B or other plans adjusted to market conditions.
about fraud, it's good for us to always read experiences and news from friends who share here.
That's true any information about scam is not suppose to be neglected from reading because no matter how little or small it is it can impact positively to someone because nobody knows if at some point they would have an encounter with any scammers using another way they never thought of using, so it could be something that was shared here or in the news, actually this is like a learning because unless someone is not wise before they can fall for what they suffered in the past. However cryptocurrency plans is just how people set there preparation when they are entering the raining season they make sure there is convenient shelter and when the summer comes another different preparation is set again, so that's how cryptocurrency plans should be, people needs other things aside from the cryptocurrency.
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So? What do you guys think? Admitting it's hard, but a determined person can create such a setup.
Thank God you admitted that this is hard, because I was going to ask you if you had tried this yourself before and it worked before you decided to share it with us here 😁😁
I will have to agree that the idea is good, but I doubt if it's feasible, most things are better and easier said than actually doing it, from the way you have said this, it's looks or seems very easy, but when one gets into trying to bring the idea to reality, he or she is going to discover that this will take far alot more effort than he or she had imagined, or you have said here.
And another thing is, who ever is going to try this will have to have alot of money which he or she should be willing to spend and lose some on experiments.
And he or she must also possess a good coding skills, else, this is going to be an impossible idea to bring to reality.
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That's true any information about scam is not suppose to be neglected from reading because no matter how little or small it is
Nevertheless, if you a person 1000 times not to open suspicious attachments from emails, show him 1000 articles how people click on files and get hacked, show him 1000 real victims of scam, a person one day will do something stupid. No matter how many times they are warned, they still repeat same mistake. Moreover, scammers also improve always. When people got familiar with scam methods, do all possible safety measures, scammers always came up with something new.
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That's true any information about scam is not suppose to be neglected from reading because no matter how little or small it is
Nevertheless, if you a person 1000 times not to open suspicious attachments from emails, show him 1000 articles how people click on files and get hacked, show him 1000 real victims of scam, a person one day will do something stupid. No matter how many times they are warned, they still repeat same mistake. Moreover, scammers also improve always. When people got familiar with scam methods, do all possible safety measures, scammers always came up with something new.
Indeed. Scammers are expecting that their method will not as effective as before. And since scamming people is their job, they always find a way to make their method of scamming really working. For us, since we didn't know when they are going to victimize us, we should be vigilant. We should learn how to avoid getting scam. There are articles or videos online, you can search it that helps us with problem.
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Very good idea but scammers are very subtle that if they discovered that method they would change methods or if they discovered it they would used that to scammer others again. And the process is hard and those who are not good in website development and can't do it so those who are not developers will still fall for those scammers. So the way I see, scammers have come to stay and were to be careful in the internet. Don't send coins to any how and unknown persons if there no concrete business transaction among you guys.
Let's be careful in the web, don't be greedy because it is greedy people get scammed in most time.
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That's true any information about scam is not suppose to be neglected from reading because no matter how little or small it is
Nevertheless, if you a person 1000 times not to open suspicious attachments from emails, show him 1000 articles how people click on files and get hacked, show him 1000 real victims of scam, a person one day will do something stupid. No matter how many times they are warned, they still repeat same mistake. Moreover, scammers also improve always. When people got familiar with scam methods, do all possible safety measures, scammers always came up with something new.
Eventually, the method implemented would be worked around as well - so I agree with this stance.
We should be more vigilant overall, always. To at least minimize the risks.